Malcov897 Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 This only happens on other races, NOT Celestials? Sigh...forget I said anything, I'm a idiot...lol Please, can you explain then what your issue was? I was thinking last night when I asked if it might be a 1st person skeleton issue, but maybe not. Whenever I change into a Celestial form, it doesn't show any animation, and I change into a naked, unequipped version of myself, with the only notable changes being the addition of the new powers and the colors of my eyes. I think I'm forgetting a step of installation, but I can't for the life of me figure it out. Any suggestions? Of note: I have uninstalled all mods beforehand and re-installed only things that could not possibly interfere with this mod. Same issue. I appreciate anyone taking the time to help me out! ^^ This sounds like your using loose scripts from an older version of Celestials you didn't remove / replace with the new ones in v7.1. Old script is named the same and firing, but since forms got remade from the ground up, it is trying to put you in a form that no longer exists in that ESP. If you had once extracted Celestials or installed loose scripts, you either need to unpack the new v7.1 BSA in loose install it and overwrite, OR, you can unpack v.71, open the contents of the scripts folder, copy the contents, paste into your Skyrim Scripts folder, then DELETE ALL THE ONES IN THE SKYRIM FOLDER YOU JUST PASTED IN. This ensures you are getting all of the files needed by Celestials and removing them. If you have none in the Scripts folder then the ones in the BSA will work right. I've added the xp32 skeleton however the game now seems to freeze when I switch forms, I'm running an i7 2600 and a Nvidia 780ti with 8gb of ram so I doubt its my computer, any ideas? The Angel form seems to not freeze the game but both devil and shaydow lock up the game so you can hear music but visuals freeze. Im having the exact same problem. Angel form works perfectly fine, but the other forms just freeze the game. This only happens on other races, NOT Celestials? Yes, it works fine with the celestial race but not with vanilla races nor the ningheim race. is there a way to make it work? If this is the case then you indeed missed a requirement somehow, be it either a proper skeleton etc, or they have not been installed correctly. Let's see what Malcov897 replies, chances are the problem they had is the problem you are having. That was the problem. I can turn into a celestial fine as a celestial, but when i try a diffrent race ( I was a Nord ) the game would just freeze. The angel form would work, but not so much the other forms. You could hear the trasformation happening, but after that it would just freeze the game.
Xcena Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 This only happens on other races, NOT Celestials? Sigh...forget I said anything, I'm a idiot...lol Please, can you explain then what your issue was? I was thinking last night when I asked if it might be a 1st person skeleton issue, but maybe not. Whenever I change into a Celestial form, it doesn't show any animation, and I change into a naked, unequipped version of myself, with the only notable changes being the addition of the new powers and the colors of my eyes. I think I'm forgetting a step of installation, but I can't for the life of me figure it out. Any suggestions? Of note: I have uninstalled all mods beforehand and re-installed only things that could not possibly interfere with this mod. Same issue. I appreciate anyone taking the time to help me out! ^^ This sounds like your using loose scripts from an older version of Celestials you didn't remove / replace with the new ones in v7.1. Old script is named the same and firing, but since forms got remade from the ground up, it is trying to put you in a form that no longer exists in that ESP. If you had once extracted Celestials or installed loose scripts, you either need to unpack the new v7.1 BSA in loose install it and overwrite, OR, you can unpack v.71, open the contents of the scripts folder, copy the contents, paste into your Skyrim Scripts folder, then DELETE ALL THE ONES IN THE SKYRIM FOLDER YOU JUST PASTED IN. This ensures you are getting all of the files needed by Celestials and removing them. If you have none in the Scripts folder then the ones in the BSA will work right. I've added the xp32 skeleton however the game now seems to freeze when I switch forms, I'm running an i7 2600 and a Nvidia 780ti with 8gb of ram so I doubt its my computer, any ideas? The Angel form seems to not freeze the game but both devil and shaydow lock up the game so you can hear music but visuals freeze. Im having the exact same problem. Angel form works perfectly fine, but the other forms just freeze the game. This only happens on other races, NOT Celestials? Yes, it works fine with the celestial race but not with vanilla races nor the ningheim race. is there a way to make it work? If this is the case then you indeed missed a requirement somehow, be it either a proper skeleton etc, or they have not been installed correctly. Let's see what Malcov897 replies, chances are the problem they had is the problem you are having. That was the problem. I can turn into a celestial fine as a celestial, but when i try a diffrent race ( I was a Nord ) the game would just freeze. The angel form would work, but not so much the other forms. You could hear the trasformation happening, but after that it would just freeze the game. What other mods do you use? We may be able to find a common mod which could be the problem.
sammyj069 Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 So, does this mod have any issues with alternate start mods? Such as Live Another Life? If I try to start a new game, it just continues to show me the menu screen. I can access the command console, so out of curiosity I put in "coc whiterun", and it transported me to character creation outside of whiterun. Secondly, once created, the character had massive gaps between hands and head. I also wasn't sure; is this race weight slide compatible? The character was rather... endowed. I like boobs as much as the next girl, but I really don't know about ones that cover my naval @.@ Ok, so: Live Another Life has to go below celestials to work; good to know =P My neck gaps were from my weight scale, since I tried to lower it. With Race Menu installed, I can leave the body at 100% weight, and scale the chest to my vague preferences. So, in short, all is well. I really look forward to trying this out, I've been looking forward to this installment for months
Guest Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 I have also been having the same problem as a few other people where only the Celestial race can change between all forms without any crashes. I am just throwing out a suggestion but, Maybe it has something to do with the actual body? Because it seems like the Celestial race uses a different body and I assume the armor is using that body too. I know in oblivion there were cases when you would put armor on from another body and it would wonk out and freeze/crash.
Shaydow Posted March 16, 2014 Author Posted March 16, 2014 I have also been having the same problem as a few other people where only the Celestial race can change between all forms without any crashes. I am just throwing out a suggestion but, Maybe it has something to do with the actual body? Because it seems like the Celestial race uses a different body and I assume the armor is using that body too. I know in oblivion there were cases when you would put armor on from another body and it would wonk out and freeze/crash. When I just read the above this was a question I was about to ask. Are the 3 of you using a UNP base body for these other races?
Deedlit Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 @shaydow , sorry about that trouble, but how i can make the race celestial compatible with ece slides? just really few slides works i was using racemenu sometime ago, and dnt noticed that, but now i changed to ECE and wow.
Guest Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 I have also been having the same problem as a few other people where only the Celestial race can change between all forms without any crashes. I am just throwing out a suggestion but, Maybe it has something to do with the actual body? Because it seems like the Celestial race uses a different body and I assume the armor is using that body too. I know in oblivion there were cases when you would put armor on from another body and it would wonk out and freeze/crash. When I just read the above this was a question I was about to ask. Are the 3 of you using a UNP base body for these other races? I am using CBBE for my body.
Xcena Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 I have also been having the same problem as a few other people where only the Celestial race can change between all forms without any crashes. I am just throwing out a suggestion but, Maybe it has something to do with the actual body? Because it seems like the Celestial race uses a different body and I assume the armor is using that body too. I know in oblivion there were cases when you would put armor on from another body and it would wonk out and freeze/crash. When I just read the above this was a question I was about to ask. Are the 3 of you using a UNP base body for these other races? I'm using UNPB with TBBP
Deedlit Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 mine are working fine, using cbbe with hdt support
Xcena Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 mine are working fine, using cbbe with hdt support With other races or only with the celestial race?
Shaydow Posted March 16, 2014 Author Posted March 16, 2014 mine are working fine, using cbbe with hdt support With other races or only with the celestial race? While I AM going to take the time to help with those of you having this problem and do my best to make everything work for you, YOU MUST UNDERSTAND, the mod is literally designed around the race. I can not even account for balance when using a VANILLA race, let alone someone elses custom race with starting stats etc. I only bring this up because of the way you phrased your question and what is a 50/50 chance of being the response. I would actually hope you WANT to be a Celestial when using the mod, yes even if that mean starting over again and not using your favorite character. I mean, did you know Celestials, as a RACE, get 1/2 of the BASE REGEN of say Vanilla Imperial Race? Do you know why? IT IS TO HELP BALANCE THE MOD YOU ARE DOWNLOADING, THE FORMS / SPELLS / POWERS / ETC AND THE WAY THEY WORK MAY BE INBALANCED PLAYING ANY RACE BESIDES CELESTIAL. That's why. If this comes across as rude, then I am sorry, but again, I never really tested or balanced the mod around other races. I mean, that's why there is a RACE in the mod...... it's the mod. In the end, as I just said to my wife when explaining how I was going to proceed with these problems, I can boil it down to this : " Oh, your problem is it won't work right unless your a Celestial? Play a Celestial. .... PROBLEM SOLVED! "
Xcena Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 mine are working fine, using cbbe with hdt support With other races or only with the celestial race? While I AM going to take the time to help with those of you having this problem and do my best to make everything work for you, YOU MUST UNDERSTAND, the mod is literally designed around the race. I can not even account for balance when using a VANILLA race, let alone someone elses custom race with starting stats etc. I only bring this up because of the way you phrased your question and what is a 50/50 chance of being the response. I would actually hope you WANT to be a Celestial when using the mod, yes even if that mean starting over again and not using your favorite character. I mean, did you know Celestials, as a RACE, get 1/2 of the BASE REGEN of say Vanilla Imperial Race? Do you know why? IT IS TO HELP BALANCE THE MOD YOU ARE DOWNLOADING, THE FORMS / SPELLS / POWERS / ETC AND THE WAY THEY WORK MAY BE INBALANCED PLAYING ANY RACE BESIDES CELESTIAL. That's why. If this comes across as rude, then I am sorry, but again, I never really tested or balanced the mod around other races. I mean, that's why there is a RACE in the mod...... it's the mod. In the end, as I just said to my wife when explaining how I was going to proceed with these problems, I can boil it down to this : " Oh, your problem is it won't work right unless your a Celestial? Play a Celestial. .... PROBLEM SOLVED! " I understand that it messes up the balance but I can't stand the texture clipping whilst wearing UNPB armor, and I dislike the body. Back with v6 I just gave my character celestial unleash so I could get a nicer body. I've tried to mess with the BSA but can't get it to work. So this is my round about way of trying to fix it.
Shaydow Posted March 16, 2014 Author Posted March 16, 2014 I understand that it messes up the balance but I can't stand the texture clipping whilst wearing UNPB armor, and I dislike the body. Back with v6 I just gave my character celestial unleash so I could get a nicer body. I've tried to mess with the BSA but can't get it to work. So this is my round about way of trying to fix it. What you need to do then, is ask me how to go about unpacking a BSA ( if you do not know already ) and how to go about reassigning the armors and textures that are applied when you take a form. Even your head meshes / tri / etc can all be changed. I mentioned this already, I have a few mods out here on LL, and they are all designed with the concept of making it easier to MOD MY MODS. Your game is your game. It would be much easier for me to help you make Celestials and the forms look the way you wanted, rather then me make Celestials compatible with the looks you wanted. Does this make sense?
Guest Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 mine are working fine, using cbbe with hdt support With other races or only with the celestial race? While I AM going to take the time to help with those of you having this problem and do my best to make everything work for you, YOU MUST UNDERSTAND, the mod is literally designed around the race. I can not even account for balance when using a VANILLA race, let alone someone elses custom race with starting stats etc. I only bring this up because of the way you phrased your question and what is a 50/50 chance of being the response. I would actually hope you WANT to be a Celestial when using the mod, yes even if that mean starting over again and not using your favorite character. I mean, did you know Celestials, as a RACE, get 1/2 of the BASE REGEN of say Vanilla Imperial Race? Do you know why? IT IS TO HELP BALANCE THE MOD YOU ARE DOWNLOADING, THE FORMS / SPELLS / POWERS / ETC AND THE WAY THEY WORK MAY BE INBALANCED PLAYING ANY RACE BESIDES CELESTIAL. That's why. If this comes across as rude, then I am sorry, but again, I never really tested or balanced the mod around other races. I mean, that's why there is a RACE in the mod...... it's the mod. In the end, as I just said to my wife when explaining how I was going to proceed with these problems, I can boil it down to this : " Oh, your problem is it won't work right unless your a Celestial? Play a Celestial. .... PROBLEM SOLVED! " Sorry to be a pain but after what you just said I realized how dumb I was being. I was being stubborn and didn't want to restart but I found an easy fix (at least for me) that allows me to use your mod without any issues. I just had to set my characters race to your race in the console. God I feel stupid.
Xcena Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 I understand that it messes up the balance but I can't stand the texture clipping whilst wearing UNPB armor, and I dislike the body. Back with v6 I just gave my character celestial unleash so I could get a nicer body. I've tried to mess with the BSA but can't get it to work. So this is my round about way of trying to fix it. What you need to do then, is ask me how to go about unpacking a BSA ( if you do not know already ) and how to go about reassigning the armors and textures that are applied when you take a form. Even your head meshes / tri / etc can all be changed. I mentioned this already, I have a few mods out here on LL, and they are all designed with the concept of making it easier to MOD MY MODS. Your game is your game. It would be much easier for me to help you make Celestials and the forms look the way you wanted, rather then me make Celestials compatible with the looks you wanted. Does this make sense? Ok then lets start over, I have a extracted BSA of your mod, as well as UNPB, what files in your mod do I need to switch to use the UNPB body?
Shaydow Posted March 16, 2014 Author Posted March 16, 2014 Ok then lets start over, I have a extracted BSA of your mod, as well as UNPB, what files in your mod do I need to switch to use the UNPB body? I am going to cover some basic rules you MUST understand before we get started. 1 : Replacing a body only replaces the NAKED body. Most every armor that exists, including VANILLA skyrim armor, has a body attached to it as well. So this includes CELESTIALS as a RACE as well. We can make what you look like NAKED UNPB, but the armor is still going to be using my body and textures. 2 : In light of what you just learned in 1, know that ALL FIVE PIECES OF THE ARMOR FOR FORMS MUST BE REPLACED. This means, you can't just make the forms UNPB, it does not work that way. What it means is that you can take any UNPB armor you have, and make it the FORM. You can only make the fo4rm armor UNPB if you want to put in the time, something I am NOT about to do just because " You don't like my body ". Hey, I'm still trying to work with you here, but I am nothing if I am not honest. 3 : look in your unpack, and find data\meshes\actors\characters\celestial\female , inside is femalebody_0 and femalebody_1,this is the file path structure you must follow. In your ACTUAL SKYRIM INSTALL, you must create these folders, since if you are only using the BSA they do not exist. After you create these folder you can take the .NIF you have for UNPB that is Femalebody_0 and _1 and replace the ones in the Celestial\female folder. HOWEVER, you also need to do this for textures. So data\textures\actors\character\celestial\female femalebody_1.dds / femalebody_1_msn / etc MUST BE REPLACED IF IT IS NOT CBBE AND IS UNP OR IF YOU WANT TO USE DIFFERENT TEXTURES FOR BODY THEN I ASSIGNED. 4: after you learn the basics of the naked body as per above you can move on to the forms. Say you have downloaded the UNPB armor " teh supa sexy shiznit for da UNPB " and want that to be what Angel Form looks like when you transform. Well since it is UNPB we already know that the Celestial female body texture has to be replaced with a UNPB one. Now for the nifs, not hard to learn but not easy to master. Find the NIF in your " teh supa sexy shiznit for da UNPB " that you want that is chest ( say it is UNPBTEHSEXYCHEST_0), and rename it angelformchest_0. If your " teh supa sexy shiznit for da UNPB " comes with both a _0 and _1 chest, the rename them both, very easy, so angelformchest_0 and angelformchest_1 respectively. Then just replace, or add into as loose in the file structure, the nif you want to be the chest. PLEASE UNDERSTAND YOU MUST REPLACE ALL PIECES. Forms have 5 instead of 4, but I will be happy to upload a nif for you that will work as the 5th piece ( most armor is 4 piece, chest boots glove and helm ). CLOSING : I wonder if it wouldn't have just been faster for you to link me to what you wanted and me to have done it rather then type all this shit out
Deedlit Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 Just got the upgrade, its not working with all ece slides i guess (at least for me), is there a way to use all ece slides? Besides that all got fine.
Shaydow Posted March 16, 2014 Author Posted March 16, 2014 Just got the upgrade, its not working with all ece slides i guess (at least for me), is there a way to use all ece slides? Besides that all got fine. Celestials was never designed to work with ECE, it was built to use RaceMenu by Expired, as per the readme. While some users have figured out a way to make it work for them, this is not something I have actually looked into much.
Xcena Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 Ok then lets start over, I have a extracted BSA of your mod, as well as UNPB, what files in your mod do I need to switch to use the UNPB body? I am going to cover some basic rules you MUST understand before we get started. 1 : Replacing a body only replaces the NAKED body. Most every armor that exists, including VANILLA skyrim armor, has a body attached to it as well. So this includes CELESTIALS as a RACE as well. We can make what you look like NAKED UNPB, but the armor is still going to be using my body and textures. 2 : In light of what you just learned in 1, know that ALL FIVE PIECES OF THE ARMOR FOR FORMS MUST BE REPLACED. This means, you can't just make the forms UNPB, it does not work that way. What it means is that you can take any UNPB armor you have, and make it the FORM. You can only make the fo4rm armor UNPB if you want to put in the time, something I am NOT about to do just because " You don't like my body ". Hey, I'm still trying to work with you here, but I am nothing if I am not honest. 3 : look in your unpack, and find data\meshes\actors\characters\celestial\female , inside is femalebody_0 and femalebody_1,this is the file path structure you must follow. In your ACTUAL SKYRIM INSTALL, you must create these folders, since if you are only using the BSA they do not exist. After you create these folder you can take the .NIF you have for UNPB that is Femalebody_0 and _1 and replace the ones in the Celestial\female folder. HOWEVER, you also need to do this for textures. So data\textures\actors\character\celestial\female femalebody_1.dds / femalebody_1_msn / etc MUST BE REPLACED IF IT IS NOT CBBE AND IS UNP OR IF YOU WANT TO USE DIFFERENT TEXTURES FOR BODY THEN I ASSIGNED. 4: after you learn the basics of the naked body as per above you can move on to the forms. Say you have downloaded the UNPB armor " teh supa sexy shiznit for da UNPB " and want that to be what Angel Form looks like when you transform. Well since it is UNPB we already know that the Celestial female body texture has to be replaced with a UNPB one. Now for the nifs, not hard to learn but not easy to master. Find the NIF in your " teh supa sexy shiznit for da UNPB " that you want that is chest ( say it is UNPBTEHSEXYCHEST_0), and rename it angelformchest_0. If your " teh supa sexy shiznit for da UNPB " comes with both a _0 and _1 chest, the rename them both, very easy, so angelformchest_0 and angelformchest_1 respectively. Then just replace, or add into as loose in the file structure, the nif you want to be the chest. PLEASE UNDERSTAND YOU MUST REPLACE ALL PIECES. Forms have 5 instead of 4, but I will be happy to upload a nif for you that will work as the 5th piece ( most armor is 4 piece, chest boots glove and helm ). CLOSING : I wonder if it wouldn't have just been faster for you to link me to what you wanted and me to have done it rather then type all this shit out Would be possible for me to convert all of your existing celestial form armors to unpb with the bodyslide outfit studio and then use your textures?
Shaydow Posted March 16, 2014 Author Posted March 16, 2014 Would be possible for me to convert all of your existing celestial form armors to unpb with the bodyslide outfit studio and then use your textures? My understanding of outfit studio is yes, but know that I have not used it nor do I know it, so I can not help you use it. *EDIT* But NOT my textures. Understand this is a mesh thing, and MY textures are CBBE.
Deedlit Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 Just got the upgrade, its not working with all ece slides i guess (at least for me), is there a way to use all ece slides? Besides that all got fine. Celestials was never designed to work with ECE, it was built to use RaceMenu by Expired, as per the readme. While some users have figured out a way to make it work for them, this is not something I have actually looked into much. np its k already , but ty.
Xcena Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 Would be possible for me to convert all of your existing celestial form armors to unpb with the bodyslide outfit studio and then use your textures? My understanding of outfit studio is yes, but know that I have not used it nor do I know it, so I can not help you use it. *EDIT* But NOT my textures. Understand this is a mesh thing, and MY textures are CBBE. Ah, as I am not a great artist I may just use your celestial forms with your body but keep the "human" forms UNPB. When in "human" form the high heels appear textureless. Is it easier to switch your high heels into feet or to texture the heels, and how would you do so? P.S thanks for all your help, I really appreciate it !
Shaydow Posted March 16, 2014 Author Posted March 16, 2014 Would be possible for me to convert all of your existing celestial form armors to unpb with the bodyslide outfit studio and then use your textures? My understanding of outfit studio is yes, but know that I have not used it nor do I know it, so I can not help you use it. *EDIT* But NOT my textures. Understand this is a mesh thing, and MY textures are CBBE. Ah, as I am not a great artist I may just use your celestial forms with your body but keep the "human" forms UNPB. When in "human" form the high heels appear textureless. Is it easier to switch your high heels into feet or to texture the heels, and how would you do so? P.S thanks for all your help, I really appreciate it ! ok so for 1, when you say " naked body feet are textureless " do yo mean that the NOTHING has textures, the FEET have no texture, or the HEELS have no texture? TBH ( to be honest ) I bet you mean the heels right? When I packaged everything I swear I fucked up on them but everything LOOKED right, but 5 bucks says I am right. Though if you want UNPB, it does not matter, you can just replace the FEET nif with the unp / one you downloaded and want, and make sure you replace the textures.
Xcena Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 Would be possible for me to convert all of your existing celestial form armors to unpb with the bodyslide outfit studio and then use your textures? My understanding of outfit studio is yes, but know that I have not used it nor do I know it, so I can not help you use it. *EDIT* But NOT my textures. Understand this is a mesh thing, and MY textures are CBBE. Ah, as I am not a great artist I may just use your celestial forms with your body but keep the "human" forms UNPB. When in "human" form the high heels appear textureless. Is it easier to switch your high heels into feet or to texture the heels, and how would you do so? P.S thanks for all your help, I really appreciate it ! ok so for 1, when you say " naked body feet are textureless " do yo mean that the NOTHING has textures, the FEET have no texture, or the HEELS have no texture? TBH ( to be honest ) I bet you mean the heels right? When I packaged everything I swear I fucked up on them but everything LOOKED right, but 5 bucks says I am right. Though if you want UNPB, it does not matter, you can just replace the FEET nif with the unp / one you downloaded and want, and make sure you replace the textures. This is quite strange, I've been digging around in a bunch of UNP skins but have found no foot textures, any ideas why so? Is it that they use the normal textures from vanilla skyrim?
Shaydow Posted March 16, 2014 Author Posted March 16, 2014 This is quite strange, I've been digging around in a bunch of UNP skins but have found no foot textures, any ideas why so? Is it that they use the normal textures from vanilla skyrim? Feet textures are part of the basic body texture *EDIT* I.E : they are part of the femalebody etc texture you wish to use. They are part of say the UNP texture for body you wish to use. *EDIT 2* so feet MESHES use BODY TEXTURES.
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