Double Loading Screen Bug

[Guest]

Skyrim keeps loading the game twice every time I start it up and load initially. I don't know what is causing it. I removed anything that had to do with loading screens which I knew had to do with loading screens and that didn't fix it. I don't even have Sexlab or OSex installed as I'm recording for my Youtube channel at the moment so it certainly isn't that. I installed my mods manually as Vortex works worse than Nexus Mod Manager or Mod Organizer in my honest opinion because when I used it initially Skyrim suddenly had missing textures for both silver and gold rings that was only resolved by reinstalling the entire game. I already checked the board for this issue as well as Google several times and only saw one solution and that was regarding removing a mod that fixed the game crashing upon loading, which I didn't have installed to begin with. I generated this load order with LOOT -

 

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  0  0 Skyrim.esm
  1  1 Update.esm
  2  2 Dawnguard.esm
  3  3 HearthFires.esm
  4  4 Dragonborn.esm
  5  5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
  6  6 ImCh.esm
  7  7 notice board.esp
  8  8 Campfire.esm
  9  9 EFFCore.esm
 10  a Havok Breast Physic.esm
 11  b UnlimitedBookshelves.esp
 12  c WM Flora Fixes.esp
 13  d AlwaysPickUpBooks.esp
 14  e RLO - Interiors.esp
 15  f Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
 16 10 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
 17 11 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
 18 12 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
       Havok Breast Physic.esp
 19 13 HearthfireMultiKid.esp
 20 14 RealShelter.esp
 21 15 RLO - Exteriors.esp
 22 16 SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp
 23 17 No Permanent Essentials Redux -- Legendary Edition.esp
 24 18 Original Opening Scene.esp
 25 19 OwnCivilWar.esp
 26 1a marriagemod - alpha v3.esp
 27 1b Disparity.esp
 28 1c BetterQuestObjectives.esp
 29 1d Holidays.esp
 30 1e Point The Way.esp
 31 1f Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
 32 20 TheChoiceIsYours.esp
 33 21 Laundry.esp
 34 22 Inconsequential NPCs.esp
 35 23 Nightingale Hall.esp
 36 24 notice board - dragonborn patch.esp
 37 25 Run For Your Lives.esp
 38 26 CampArgentum.esp
 39 27 Shadowmarks for Player Homes.esp
 40 28 Immersive Wenches.esp
 41 29 Randomized Word Walls.esp
 42 2a SkyUI.esp
 43 2b Hunterborn.esp
 44 2c CampVarglya.esp
 45 2d CampNewZainab.esp
 46 2e Hateful Wenches.esp
 47 2f Smelter_Riften & Solitude.esp
 48 30 vx_gnts.esp
 49 31 Blacksmith Chests.esp
 50 32 One With Nature - DG+DB.esp
 51 33 ReflectiveWard.esp
 52 34 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
 53 35 ArcaneFist - Normal.esp
 54 36 Mortal Enemies.esp
 55 37 iNeed.esp
 56 38 Imaginator BETA.esp
 57 39 My Home Is Your Home.esp
 58 3a Sneak Tools.esp
 59 3b Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
 60 3c Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp
 61 3d Apocalypse - Waterstride Spell Addon.esp
       attack commitment movement speed fluid 3.esp
 62 3e Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
       ballisticspells.esp
       BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
 63 3f EFFDialogue.esp
       BetterQuestObjectives-EFFPatch.esp
 64 40 vx_mqdo.esp
 65 41 The Paarthurnax Ultimatum.esp
       BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp
       boars.esp
 66 42 Breast Size Scaling for NPCs.esp
 67 43 Civil War Cleanup.esp
 68 44 CombatSurrender.esp
 69 45 Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
       Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
       Complete Crafting_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
 70 46 Convenient Horses.esp
 71 47 Crime Overhaul.esp
       dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
       Dead Body Collision.esp
 72 48 Deadly Wenches.esp
 73 49 DeadlyDragons.esp
 74 4a DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
       Moar Deadly Wenches.esp
 75 4b DIVERSE SKYRIM -Nord Stormcloaks Only.esp
 76 4c Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp
 77 4d Dual Sheath Redux.esp
 78 4e Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp
 79 4f Dynamic TimeScale.esp
 80 50 DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp
 81 51 EFF - Serana Plugin.esp
 82 52 Exhaustion.esp
 83 53 Extended Encounters.esp
 84 54 Extended UI.esp
 85 55 FISS.esp
 86 56 FNIS.esp
 87 57 FNISSexyMove.esp
 88 58 FNISspells.esp
 89 59 Forgotten Wenches.esp
 90 5a Sleep Spells.esp
 91 5b ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp
 92 5c HarvestOverhaul.esp
 93 5d HarvestOverhaulCreatures.esp
       Havok Breast Physic Dawnguard.esp
       Havok Breast Physic Dragonborn.esp
 94 5e HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
 95 5f Hunterborn_Campfire_Patch.esp
 96 60 iHUD.esp
       ImCh - USLEEP patch.esp
 97 61 Toggle to Sprint.esp
 98 62 Lock Overhaul.esp
 99 63 Athletics Training.esp
100 64 Immersive Automatic Lockpicking.esp
101 65 Immersive Dragon Sounds.esp
102 66 Judgment Wenches.esp
103 67 JustDoIt.esp
104 68 Lively Followers.esp
105 69 LostGrimoire.esp
106 6a Magecraft.esp
107 6b NARC-ConvenientHorsesConsistencyPatch.esp
108 6c NARC-Deadly Dragons.esp
109 6d NARC-DeadlyDragonsConsistencyPatch.esp
110 6e New Vamp Plus.esp
111 6f OpenUnlock.esp
112 70 TradeBarter.esp
113 71 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
114 72 Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp
115 73 Predator Vision.esp
116 74 RaceMenu.esp
117 75 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
118 76 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
119 77 RealisticHumanoidMovementSpeed.esp
       RLO - Illuminated Spells.esp
       RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp
120 78 sandboxcylinderheight.esp
121 79 Serana Fix.esp
122 7a SkaalKidAetaCoat.esp
123 7b SkyTweak.esp
124 7c SmartCast_1_0.esp
125 7d SOSRaceMenu.esp
126 7e SoundsOfBarenziah.esp
127 7f SpellChargingFramework.esp
128 80 SpellComboV2.esp
129 81 UIExtensions.esp
130 82 Unique Uniques.esp
131 83 UtopiumUtilities.esp
132 84 vDynamicDifficulty.esp
133 85 Vigor - Combat and Injuries.esp
134 86 VioLens.esp
135 87 VOBS.esp
136 88 WetandCold.esp
137 89 WetandCold - Ashes.esp
       whitephial_unlock.esp
138 8a WM Evasive Chickens.esp
       WM Shahvee Fix.esp
       WM Trap Fixes.esp
139 8b WondersofWeather.esp
140 8c SOTGenesisMod.esp
141 8d Genesis Dragonborn Patch.esp
142 8e Worlds Dawn.esp
143 8f Smithing Perks Overhaul_Remade.esp
144 90 Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp
145 91 Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp
146 92 Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
147 93 PathOfSorcery.esp
       PathOfSorceryForgottenMagicPatch.esp
       PathOfSorceryLostGrimoirePatch.esp
       PoS Apocalypse Patch.esp
       PoS More Apocalypse Patch.esp
148 94 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
149 95 RDO - EFF v4.0.2 Patch.esp
150 96 RDO - USLEEP Patch.esp
151 97 XPMSE.esp
152 98 RSPatch.esp
153 99 Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp
154 9a ImCh.esp
155 9b Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp
156 9c CF_WindhelmExportsDock.esp
157 9d MorrowindImports.esp
158 9e SkyCompleteLegendary.esp
159 9f MoonlightTalesMCM.esp
160 a0 BriefStoryOfTimeWound.esp
161 a1 Steady Spell Learning.esp
162 a2 Steady Spell Learning - Forgotten Magic.esp
163 a3 Steady Spell Learning - Dragonborn.esp
164 a4 Steady Spell Learning - Dawnguard.esp
165 a5 AddItemMenuLE.esp
166 a6 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
167 a7 MainMenu.esp
168 a8 ImmediateDragons.esp
169 a9 JaxonzMCMKicker.esp

 

 

Attached to this post is a JPG with what is inside my SKSE directory since I am unable to give you a load order that provides those contents due to my ineptitude both in terms of technical and cognitive capabilities. It is literally a case of "Please be patient, I have Autism."

 

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I turned to Loverslab regarding this situation because it has been my general experience that this site provides the best technical support regarding anything Skyrim-related on the internet. Nine times out of ten if I have a problem with a mod there is a thread on this site that somehow explains how to fix it. Please tell me what I need to uninstall or remove or generally do in order to solve this situation.

[Psalam]

While I appreciate all the information that you have given let me suggest that in the future you use spoilers for "walls of text."

 

And maybe I'm the only one but I need some clarification regarding your "problem." What exactly do you mean by Skyrim loads twice? Are you saying you get two versions of the game running? If so, close one and go on. Bugthesda's engine is so odd that anything that can simply be worked around should be. If it is something else can you please give a more complete description.

[Guest]

I could not locate the spoiler option. I'm sorry about that.  By loading twice, I mean that there are two load screens whenever I start up the game. One will say the correct level of my character but will otherwise be black, and the other load screen will state my level as 1 and will contain one of the usual load screens.

 

One thread on this board suggested replacing a mod I did not have with another mod I am not using, both of which pertain to fixing the CTD on loading glitch, but neither mod solved my problem nor seemed to cause it. I do not seem to have the technical capability to solve this issue on my own, hence why I come to this board.

 

Addendum - I have located the spoiler option. I am sorry that I did not see it sooner.

[Psalam]

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20 minutes ago, MadMalkavian said:

I could not locate the spoiler option. I'm sorry about that.  By loading twice, I mean that there are two load screens whenever I start up the game. One will say the correct level of my character but will otherwise be black, and the other load screen will state my level as 1 and will contain one of the usual load screens.

 

One thread on this board suggested replacing a mod I did not have with another mod I am not using, both of which pertain to fixing the CTD on loading glitch, but neither mod solved my problem nor seemed to cause it. I do not seem to have the technical capability to solve this issue on my own, hence why I come to this board.

 

Addendum - I have located the spoiler option. I am sorry that I did not see it sooner.

 

 

I'm still not entirely clear. By load screen you mean the screen with the Skyrim logo that says "New", "Continue", etc.? Or do you mean the screen that you get after hitting "Continue" and you are actually in the game? And when you say you get two of them do you mean they appear side-by-side on your screen or one after the other or what?

[GenioMaestro]

35 minutes ago, MadMalkavian said:

By loading twice, I mean that there are two load screens whenever I start up the game. One will say the correct level of my character but will otherwise be black, and the other load screen will state my level as 1 and will contain one of the usual load screens.

I think your problem only can be caused by a mod that change the loading screens or by a problem in the savegame. 

 

Start a NEW GAME and verify the problem. If persist, disable mod's until the problem disapear.

If the problem disapear in a NEW GAME try clean your savegame with ReSaver.

[Andy14]

The level from the PC is only displayed when a save is loaded.
You said you disabled "appropriate" mods.
And then cleaned these saves?
As GenioMaestro said, try cleaning the saves - but better is a new game. Cleansing is never 100%.

[Guest]

Cleaning the save did not work, and starting a new game does not work. Reinstalling the entire game and reinstalling the mods seems to do the trick, but unfortunately the minute I remove a mod, regardless of what it is, the double load screen glitch shows up again. It doesn't break the game but it does bother my obsessive compulsive tendencies.

[Andy14]

5 minutes ago, MadMalkavian said:

Cleaning the save did not work, and starting a new game does not work. Reinstalling the entire game and reinstalling the mods seems to do the trick, but unfortunately the minute I remove a mod, regardless of what it is, the double load screen glitch shows up again. It doesn't break the game but it does bother my obsessive compulsive tendencies.

I know a stupid - and maybe rhetorical question:
You start the game via SKSE Launcher and with admin rights?

 

And on the topic "disable mod and activate" - I do not use tools for it.
But if you use MO / NMM or other magic - here as well should be admin rights. And if you use magic - that's maybe the reason. But I have no idea about this topic - there are many here who are familiar with "strange" peculiarities of it and can help you.

[Grey Cloud]

5 hours ago, MadMalkavian said:

167 a7 MainMenu.esp

 

5 hours ago, MadMalkavian said:

6  6 ImCh.esm

 

5 hours ago, MadMalkavian said:

154 9a ImCh.esp

 

5 hours ago, MadMalkavian said:

64 40 vx_mqdo.esp

 

5 hours ago, MadMalkavian said:

24 18 Original Opening Scene.esp

What are these?

[Guest]

I use the Steam version of SKSE and I install my mods manually because NMM is broken with the latest update, I cannot figure out how to use Mod Organizer even with tutorials, and Vortex managed to delete textures that were part of vanilla Skyrim while setting up mods which resulted in there being no textures for silver or gold rings even with mods installed that supposedly added textures for those. That was another can of worms entirely that I resolved by reinstalling the game, reinstalling the mods, and restarting my playthrough.

 

I don't run SKSE as administrator since I do that through Steam and said service gripes at me if I run anything through administrator. Only tools I use outside of SKSE are LOOT, Wrye Bash, and XEdit, and I only use that last one to apply premade scripts to mods that would otherwise conflict with other mods I use.  I could try running SKSE as administrator and see what happens though I suppose.

 

Addendum - Running Steam as administrator does not help with this situation. Running SKSE as administrator does not help with this situation. Running the Skyrim Launcher and Skyrim itself as administrator does not help in this situation. However, after checking the compatibility options for all four of these programs the delay between the initial load screen and the second load screen increased by a couple seconds. It would appear that the game is loaded into initially but with a black screen and some notifications regarding Mod Configuration Menus, but then the second load screen appears and the game begins again in earnest. Is this newfound insight of any use in this situation?

[Psalam]

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26 minutes ago, MadMalkavian said:

I use the Steam version of SKSE and I install my mods manually because NMM is broken with the latest update, I cannot figure out how to use Mod Organizer even with tutorials, and Vortex managed to delete textures that were part of vanilla Skyrim while setting up mods which resulted in there being no textures for silver or gold rings even with mods installed that supposedly added textures for those. That was another can of worms entirely that I resolved by reinstalling the game, reinstalling the mods, and restarting my playthrough.

 

I don't run SKSE as administrator since I do that through Steam and said service gripes at me if I run anything through administrator. Only tools I use outside of SKSE are LOOT, Wrye Bash, and XEdit, and I only use that last one to apply premade scripts to mods that would otherwise conflict with other mods I use.  I could try running SKSE as administrator and see what happens though I suppose.

 

Addendum - Running Steam as administrator does not help with this situation. Running SKSE as administrator does not help with this situation. Running the Skyrim Launcher and Skyrim itself as administrator does not help in this situation. However, after checking the compatibility options for all four of these programs the delay between the initial load screen and the second load screen increased by a couple seconds. It would appear that the game is loaded into initially but with a black screen and some notifications regarding Mod Configuration Menus, but then the second load screen appears and the game begins again in earnest. Is this newfound insight of any use in this situation?

 

 

Do you have SkyUI?

[Andy14]

20 minutes ago, MadMalkavian said:

I use the Steam version of SKSE and I install my mods manually because NMM is broken with the latest update, I cannot figure out how to use Mod Organizer even with tutorials, and Vortex managed to delete textures that were part of vanilla Skyrim while setting up mods which resulted in there being no textures for silver or gold rings even with mods installed that supposedly added textures for those. That was another can of worms entirely that I resolved by reinstalling the game, reinstalling the mods, and restarting my playthrough.

 

I don't run SKSE as administrator since I do that through Steam and said service gripes at me if I run anything through administrator. Only tools I use outside of SKSE are LOOT, Wrye Bash, and XEdit, and I only use that last one to apply premade scripts to mods that would otherwise conflict with other mods I use.  I could try running SKSE as administrator and see what happens though I suppose.

 

Addendum - Running Steam as administrator does not help with this situation. Running SKSE as administrator does not help with this situation. Running the Skyrim Launcher and Skyrim itself as administrator does not help in this situation. However, after checking the compatibility options for all four of these programs the delay between the initial load screen and the second load screen increased by a couple seconds. It would appear that the game is loaded into initially but with a black screen and some notifications regarding Mod Configuration Menus, but then the second load screen appears and the game begins again in earnest. Is this newfound insight of any use in this situation?

Load SKSE from https://skse.silverlock.org/
and use the archives 1.7.3. - not the install version.
(Before - you should disable SKSE in the Steam subscription)
I've never heard anyone crazy enough to subscribe to SKSE on Steam and start without admin rights.

Then start Skyrim with the Skse_Launcher - as Admin.
And manage your mods manually - either directly in Username \ AppData \ Local \ Skyrim \ Plugins.txt or by TES Launcher in Steam.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

I've never heard anyone crazy enough to subscribe to SKSE on Steam and start without admin rights.

 

I'm known as Mad Malkavian for a reason.

 

I do manage the mods manually but I do it through Wrye Bash in the event I need to rebuild the Bashed Patch or one of the other patches I have such as the ones for Dual Sheath Redux or Immersive Children.

 

Unfortunately using the archive version of SKSE produced the same results as before, even when run as Administrator.

 

15 minutes ago, Psalam said:

Do you have SkyUI?

 

Nine times out of ten that is the third thing I install, right after SKSE and USLEEP. The tenth time it's the second thing I install. 

[Psalam]

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49 minutes ago, MadMalkavian said:

 

I'm known as Mad Malkavian for a reason.

 

I do manage the mods manually but I do it through Wrye Bash in the event I need to rebuild the Bashed Patch or one of the other patches I have such as the ones for Dual Sheath Redux or Immersive Children.

 

Unfortunately using the archive version of SKSE produced the same results as before, even when run as Administrator.

 

 

Nine times out of ten that is the third thing I install, right after SKSE and USLEEP. The tenth time it's the second thing I install. 

 

 

Sorry but I still want to make sure I know what I'm trying to deal with here. So, you start a game (either new or save) and you get a black screen that puts up notifications in the upper left hand saying things like "MCM has loaded 8 menus" and this lasts a couple of seconds followed by the game starting "normally" like on the cart going to Helgen or in Whiterun or wherever you've saved?

[GenioMaestro]

51 minutes ago, MadMalkavian said:

Addendum - Running Steam as administrator does not help with this situation. Running SKSE as administrator does not help with this situation. Running the Skyrim Launcher and Skyrim itself as administrator does not help in this situation. However, after checking the compatibility options for all four of these programs the delay between the initial load screen and the second load screen increased by a couple seconds. It would appear that the game is loaded into initially but with a black screen and some notifications regarding Mod Configuration Menus, but then the second load screen appears and the game begins again in earnest. Is this newfound insight of any use in this situation?

If you have the problem in a NEW GAME whitout SKSE maybe you have a problem in the INI files.

For simply test rename skyrim.ini and skyrimprefs.ini located in Documents\My Games\Skyrim

The game automatically generate new INI files.

If the problem disappear compare the INI files for locate the ofending parameter.

If the problem persist recover your original INI files and look in other side.

 

As you say, you install yours mod's manually.

Then, when you launch your game whitout SKSE, you have all yours mod's??? 

Maybe are you disabling it in Skyrim Launcher???

That can disable the esp's, but not remove the files in mesh, textures and scripts.

For make a test, rename the folders mesh, textures and scripts inside DATA and try again.

 

Is recomended use a Manager, can be NMM, MO, Vortex, Whyre... that you want, but manage 170 mod's manually is very complex, dangerous and can generate weird and complex problems.

I use NMM 0.65.10 and not have any problem.

[Andy14]

16 minutes ago, MadMalkavian said:

 

I'm known as Mad Malkavian for a reason.

 

I do manage the mods manually but I do it through Wrye Bash in the event I need to rebuild the Bashed Patch or one of the other patches I have such as the ones for Dual Sheath Redux or Immersive Children.

 

Unfortunately using the archive version of SKSE produced the same results as before, even when run as Administrator.

 

 

Nine times out of ten that is the third thing I install, right after SKSE and USLEEP. The tenth time it's the second thing I install. 

Well, I manage mods with brain (my own). 

If you have used a mod and this mod has left single files (swf, nif, dds) AND this MOD was a Replacer, you have to delete these files.

A simple activation / deactivation of ESP/ESM is NOT sufficient.

[Guest]

I honestly think it has something to do with either leftover data from disabled mods or one of the mods I don't normally use which I decided to try this time around is causing some issues in that regard, or it's an issue with Windows 10 because when in doubt, Microsoft is going to break something I use on a regular basis that they didn't explicitly design with any update they put out. Either way completely reinstalling the game seems to fix it, but at the same time I never had this particular issue before in the almost 3,000 hours I've spent playing Skyrim so I don't know what is up.

 

I appreciate your help and your input, it has helped in jogging my memory in regards to fixing this kind of nonsense. I used to do tech support for a local nonprofit and the conversing with you all has helped me remember a bit. Thank you. I think I'll take it from here. I want to get back to recording Skyrim for my Youtube channel and I don't want to spend a third day sorting through technical problems and errant data just to tweak a minor graphical issue.

[Andy14]

After about 6,000 hours in Creation Kit (for Skyrim), I saw things that I did not even believe could have a name for it.
So welcome to the club of the crazy and stupid.

Although a troubleshooting/fixes in Youtube or even as stream would give really many viewers.
Good luck

[Guest]

Thank you, I appreciate it.

[Grey Cloud]

On ‎11‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 2:41 PM, MadMalkavian said:

I install my mods manually because NMM is broken with the latest update

No it isn't.

 

On ‎11‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 3:59 PM, Andy14 said:

Well, I manage mods with brain (my own). 

I let NMM manage mine and use my brain for more important things.

[Klaxon]

Hi. Im not 100% sure, but this cause anyone from skse plugins. Something from no crash at start game/safety load game etc. So this isnt bug but prevention before CTD.

[Kv4z4R]

Had a similar problem: after loading the save, another loading screen started after a few seconds. In my case it was caused by Better vampires. Feeding on corpse failed  to start an hour of gameplay ago and it kept starting after loading and trying to teleport me to the corpse causing CTD. I didn't know how to fix it as at that point I didn't know what caused it. I just kept loading and trying to enter different cells, telport to different locations, pause, make a new save before the second loading screen started. Somthing of this worked and my character was teleported to the corpse and the feeding animation started.
Probably there are a lot of possible causes for this big, so I leave this comment in the hope that it will be of some help to those who encounter this bug.