Live another life just not working....

[Meelis13]

This issue is starting to drive me crazy...

Im using live another life mod to, well, start off from different areas to add some more diversity into mix. Problem is, that i cant seem to get it working properly after my latest reinstall of skyrim (few months ago already). I can get it working enough so i can play with extra scenarios, but not original mods scenarios.

 

So to make it more clear, im gonna walk trough what im doing.

 

1. I load in, make my character, wait for few minutes for everything to stop loading (only having minimum ammount of mods to support HDT at moment (working). using mod organiser)

2. I go to statue of Mara, select scenario from original LAL mod

3. i go to bed, use it and it just strips character and removes mara statue & bed before fading back in, effectively leaving character stuck.

4. i load game before step 2 (can do it off the bat as well instead after trying original), talk to mara, select scenario from addons, go to bed, sleep.

5. it works, but original quest doesnt disappear and many scripted sequences get randomly broken and savegames corrupted very easily.

 

Again, i only have mods to support HDT (CBBE), as in barebone requirements for that test run, so i assume its problem with LAL itself. I know i have gotten it working properly, but... Would not care that much if it wouldnt be that popular alternate start mod. Have tried it with and without HDT clothing replacers as i recall it being one possible setback.

[xwhiteninjax]

there are some specifics you are not mentioning... like using (and correctly) SKSE, your modorganizer (NMM or MO), the possibility to have the original mod "overwritten" (for example have you tried to reinstall the original mod without addons and is it working?)...

 

Alternate Life is a really stable mod and working for thousands of users (with and without addons), so it is likely that the install corrupted (and maybe the loadorder - alternate life should be at the bottom of the loaded mods - only the wrye bash-file and/or dyndolod behind it (and the addons to the alternate mod)

[Grey Cloud]

Load order?

Have you got all the requirements for ASLAL?

[Meelis13]

13 minutes ago, xwhiteninjax said:

there are some specifics you are not mentioning... like using (and correctly) SKSE, your modorganizer (NMM or MO), the possibility to have the original mod "overwritten" (for example have you tried to reinstall the original mod without addons and is it working?)...

  

Alternate Life is a really stable mod and working for thousands of users (with and without addons), so it is likely that the install corrupted (and maybe the loadorder - alternate life should be at the bottom of the loaded mods - only the wrye bash-file and/or dyndolod behind it (and the addons to the alternate mod)

SKSE= latest version for oldrim, i did point out im using MO (used it to install), although it seems i might have made my old mistake and not make it, well, clear to others that i use it and have tried it with and without addons (at time i have 0 addons for it installed). Which is why its bugging me so much. And its at bottom of load order

 

10 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Load order?

Have you got all the requirements for ASLAL?

i honestly have no clue how to, well, pull up load order in MO without having disabled mods popping up, but here it is (i have disabled all mods (and triple checked) that are NOT related to barebones HDT or LAL itself. Only exceptions being crash fixes and unofficial legendary patch.

 

Spoiler

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
everyonecandie.esp
mercenary war-gear.esp
townsandcitiesenhanced.esp
immersive patrols ii.esp
amuletsofthedivines.esp
matys medieval knights.esp
matys mithril armor enhanced.esp
fountain guard armor maty743.esp
gondorarmormaty743.esp
noldorarmor.esp
airrifle.esp
assassin yataghan sword.esp
gunnormal.esp
RwbyMod.esp
purewaters.esp
hqsnow.esp
azarhair.esp
elven archer armor.esp
steelmaiden.esp
mxlevelupallperks.esp
BDO -Valkyrie Armor-.esp
noble coliseum champion armour.esp
whiteruninenhanced.esp
riverwoodenhancedplugin.esp
ktxcompleteskyforge.esp
war machine.esp
matys knights of the nine armor 2.1.esp
kotn mage.esp
UTHERINSPIREDJUDGEMENT.esp
craftable musket.esp
calyps-razorarmor.esp
Erza.esp
SkyrimWeatherBeautification.esp
WonderWomanAA.esp
trident spear.esp
gun.esp
rifle.esp
FNIS.esp
SOSRaceMenu.esp
XPMSE.esp
RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
SkyUI.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

 

 

Other info: i have run bodyslide and FNIS obviously before starting game, as well as sorting this list via LOOT

[Grey Cloud]

Wow! I have never heard of any of the mods between ETaC and FNIS. ? Couldn't see the USLEEP patch there BTW.

Let me see if I have this straight.

You cannot get any of the ASLAL options/scenarios to work?

You could get 'extra scenarios' to work. Which extra scenarios mods were those?

 

As an aside, you don't need Realistic Ragdolls when using XMPSE skellie.

[xwhiteninjax]

Load order...

 

I suggest to install "LOOT" (and using it inside of MO) - your loadorder is a mess *`sorry, looks as if you are doing it manually

 

and there is a missing dependency ... the "Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch" in its latest version... some of your mods are not neccessary or better substituted (your Highres-mods for example)

[Meelis13]

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

Wow! I have never heard of any of the mods between ETaC and FNIS. ? Couldn't see the USLEEP patch there BTW.

Let me see if I have this straight.

You cannot get any of the ASLAL options/scenarios to work?

You could get 'extra scenarios' to work. Which extra scenarios mods were those?

 

As an aside, you don't need Realistic Ragdolls when using XMPSE skellie.

Oh, right- i forgot to install it in that specific profile i pulled load order from (and yes, im currently testing it with that profile). Installed it (its located right after dragonborn.esm, otherwise mod list is same) and still exact same problem

 

And again, it shows mods i have disabled! It only has USLEEP, LAL, crash fixes and mods related to barebones HDT enabled! Ignore all rest- they are clothes & weapons from steam workshop that i have disabled! And yes, i know for a fact rest ARE disabled.

 

1 hour ago, xwhiteninjax said:

Load order... 

 

I suggest to install "LOOT" (and using it inside of MO) - your loadorder is a mess *`sorry, looks as if you are doing it manually

 

and there is a missing dependency ... the "Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch" in its latest version... some of your mods are not neccessary or better substituted (your Highres-mods for example) 

please read what i write. Im sorry, but when i clearly say i have sorted this out with LOOT and you go tell me to install loot, its more of annoyance than help. And not exactly first time either- you did same in first post you made on this topic too.

With taking risk of sounding like arrogant prick i have to say following- if you want to help, i appreciate it, but you need to READ what i write. I have 0 cause to decieve you because i am ASKING for help. If you dont, however, want to take time reading, then please, dont answer. It geniuenly goes lot faster without person trying to sound smart without even reading what issue is trying to "help".

[Grey Cloud]

What about this -

Let me see if I have this straight.

You cannot get any of the ASLAL options/scenarios to work?

You could get 'extra scenarios' to work. Which extra scenarios mods were those?

[Nazzzgul666]

Fading back and leaving you inside the cell sounds like the fail safe procedure from LAL - if it's basic scenarios aren't working, that would mean either one of your extras broke them, or your installation is faulty (might be because of lacking requirements, not sure). It's btw not unplayable, there should be some lockpicks on the table then to leave the cell.

[Grey Cloud]

Ninjad by Nazzzgul666. I was thinking reinstall ASLAL.

 

 

[Meelis13]

i was considering that, but i have been uninstalling and reinstalling LAL several times over this. So obvious question- should i remove all mods from MO, then uninstall skyrim and redownload & install LAL?

and sorry for not responding to which ones i had working- well, CCAS, Death Alternative scenarios, DD scenarios

[jlttsmiley30]

You Sayed you are using mod organizer. Yes So my question when you started a new game did create a new profile . Which should also include frest set_up files SKSE PLUGIN FILE , FINIS , BODYSLIDE  jcontainers ,if not all the old records  an errors from previous games are still there , which will enterfer with new game files being create over old files of the same records.

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, Meelis13 said:

and sorry for not responding to which ones i had working- well, CCAS, Death Alternative scenarios, DD scenarios

Right, so I'm guessing that you've tried interior and exterior options?

 

Not sure SKSE, FNIS, Bodyslide and Jcontainers are relevant here. I might be wrong.

 

Straw-clutching here but you haven't got any mods which do anything to the prison?

 

Your load order doesn't look right.

[Uncle64]

One question that is not asked.

Since he uses MO have he sorted his left side?

It is one absolute must to do, and as other says, LOOT.

Install Usleep perhaps to?

[woodsman30]

You said your latest re-install of skyrim... From Steam? LAL will not work unless it is the latest Skyrim download.

[Meelis13]

16 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Right, so I'm guessing that you've tried interior and exterior options?

 

Not sure SKSE, FNIS, Bodyslide and Jcontainers are relevant here. I might be wrong.

 

Straw-clutching here but you haven't got any mods which do anything to the prison?

 

Your load order doesn't look right.

well, this is what LOOT made it (and i mean loot as separate program not mini-loot in MO) and again- i cannot stress this enough- for some reason MO load order file has mods that have been 100 percent disabled (all from steam workshop). Only thing i can think of is that i have left side of MO lined up wrong, but i aint sure how to export that..

But yes, i have tried both exterior and interior- for example captured by forsworn for ransom is exterior one and it works fine (whereas say, start as hunter doesnt), same goes for one of the added interior options.

 

No, i have no mods that affect the prison- only prison related mod i have tried is LL prison overhaul (latest) and i dont think it affects that specific interior. But that said, i dont have it installed there

 

hm. Could it be issue with new version somehow? Because i see this update is from 2017 and im sure i used it in past without problems until last few months

 

and to verify im using latest version of oldrim- steam version, all DLC-s included.

[Grey Cloud]

2 hours ago, Meelis13 said:

well, this is what LOOT made it (and i mean loot as separate program not mini-loot in MO) and again- i cannot stress this enough- for some reason MO load order file has mods that have been 100 percent disabled (all from steam workshop). Only thing i can think of is that i have left side of MO lined up wrong, but i aint sure how to export that..

I don't use MO so can't help much here.

Is LOOT running from within MO? It should be.

The LH pane should be pretty much the same as the right. AFAIK.

 

Which Prison Overhaul, the one by Inte or the one by Xaz? Why is it not in your load order?

 

From the ASLAL Description page:

Mods altering the Abandoned Prison (cell 00021594) will probably need to be patched since the navmesh has been edited.

 

 

[KoolHndLuke]

Sorry. Someone already mentioned it.

[Meelis13]

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

I don't use MO so can't help much here.

Is LOOT running from within MO? It should be.

The LH pane should be pretty much the same as the right. AFAIK.

 

Which Prison Overhaul, the one by Inte or the one by Xaz? Why is it not in your load order?

  

From the ASLAL Description page:

Mods altering the Abandoned Prison (cell 00021594) will probably need to be patched since the navmesh has been edited.

 

 

Yes, i do use MO to run LOOT.

tbh from what i can tell from bit conflicting reports is that left side panel is bit different.

 

And i have the newest PO, i.e one thats already merged by patches NOT PO+patch. I have horrible memory with names and i cant find it atm so i cant tell by who though. And Reason its not in load order is because as i said several times, its NOT installed in that profile.

[Grey Cloud]

Sorry, I'm about out of ideas.

Only things I can suggest are:

Make sure you have MO installed and set up correctly.

Check on the PO threads for conflicts with ASLAL.

Check the ASLAL description page's list of conflicting mods.

37 minutes ago, Meelis13 said:

I have horrible memory with names and i cant find it atm

Sorry, but that translate as 'I can't be arsed looking' or 'I don't know what I'm doing'. If you don't know what mods you have installed or where they are on your machine . . .

[Uncle64]

In MO installation folder there can you find several of textfiles.

it should look like this.

MO\profiles\

File that have the name loadorder.txt is your Right side

File that have name modlist.txt is your Left side, one warning all installed and not used mods are in that list and it sorts from bottom to top, wrong way.

 

Easy to copy those files and post them here.

You can edit modlist.txt and remove all mods you have that have one - before the name, and keep all that have +

The order in your left side is almost more important then your right side if you have done proper and run LOOT from inside MO and not used the LOOT that comes whit MO.

[Meelis13]

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

Sorry, I'm about out of ideas.

Only things I can suggest are:

Make sure you have MO installed and set up correctly.

Check on the PO threads for conflicts with ASLAL.

Check the ASLAL description page's list of conflicting mods.

Sorry, but that translate as 'I can't be arsed looking' or 'I don't know what I'm doing'. If you don't know what mods you have installed or where they are on your machine . . .

i. said. 100 times. that. i. DO NOT. have that mod installed on that profile- i said i have USED it in past, but NOT using it for this install. As in unless it magically appears out of nowhere, it CANNOT affect the game because MO keeps profiles SEPARATE. I brought it as EXAMPLE of ONLY mod thats affecting ANYTHING related to prisons i have EVER used. So, again, IT DOESNT play any role in this instance whatsoever

 

Im sorry if i sound annoyed, but its partly because i am (part of it is you calling me lazy if you even didnt bother to read crucial details). I appreciate help, but i also appreciate if people actually pay attention to whats written. Details are important in any tech case and if you dont read properly, well, you waste your time and others time as well

 

54 minutes ago, Uncle64 said:

In MO installation folder there can you find several of textfiles.

it should look like this.

MO\profiles\

File that have the name loadorder.txt is your Right side

File that have name modlist.txt is your Left side, one warning all installed and not used mods are in that list and it sorts from bottom to top, wrong way.

 

Easy to copy those files and post them here.

You can edit modlist.txt and remove all mods you have that have one - before the name, and keep all that have +

The order in your left side is almost more important then your right side if you have done proper and run LOOT from inside MO and not used the LOOT that comes whit MO.

 

Thank you a lot! Quite frankly, i have no idea how to manage left side.

 

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# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
+Alternate Start - Live Another Life
+HDT Physics Extensions
+Fuz Ro Doh
+SkyUI
+NetImmerse Override v-3-4
+Load Game CTD Fix
+ALSL Body TBBP HDT 1_2-31926-1-2
+Flimsy Ragdolls 1.42
+Pretty Sit Idle v1.41d
+Pretty Jump Animations
+Bug Fixes v1-76747-1
+BodySlide and Outfit Studio
+RaceMenu v3-4
+The Joy of Perspective
+XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended
+Realistic Force
+FNIS Behavior 7 4 3 XXL

this is modlist text file with all non-plus signs removed. I do want to poiint out this list seems to be mirrored- i have LAL on bottom of left side, whereas FNIS is at top

[xwhiteninjax]

a simple way to manage the left side is looking out to "categories"... first (in priority) should be the mods skyrim, updates, the DLC's... after this it depends on some personal preferences, but "patches" (for the whole game), "utilities", "bugfixes", "modders ressoureces", "models and textures" should be next in order... after this go for "environment", "ui", "visuals", "questmods", "races and classes", "presets" , "gameplay", "locations" , "armor" "npc" and "companions should be near the bottom of the left side ... it might be a trial where to place the sexlab-mods (as a group or putting them into the befitting catogories - but for me it is better working to have them inside one group to better look for updates or misbehaving mods)

 

this is a general way to put an order to the left side... there are some mods which will have a special place contrary to this general sorting (like some special texture mods - but this can be solved from the mod-description page or look out for S.T.E.P how to organisize some mods in a working way)

 

using categories helps greatly to be in charge of what you are doing or how to substitute mods if you find a better (or working) one

 

P.S.: a very simple order would be "Loot"... and then put the same order on the left side as loot will give you on the right side... (and you will see, which categories will be put first in line... it is up to you then to do fullfill the categories or going from there)

[Meelis13]

Thanks for ideas, but quite frankly... i'd like to test out one solution- if any of you happen to have slightly older version of LAL than in nexus.. If i think about it, problems started around time i started playing skyrim again and reinstalled in last half of 2017, meaning after latest update to oldrim LAL

[Grey Cloud]

The problem is not with ASLAL. The problem is with your game and how it is set up. I and countless others use the latest version of ASLAL without any problems. Is the ASLAL support thread full of people with problems with the latest version or any particular version?

34 minutes ago, Meelis13 said:

problems started around time i started playing skyrim again and reinstalled in last half of 2017

Meaning after YOU reinstalled.