Arron Dominion Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 View File Skyrim Social Conscience Series Part 1 - Julius Cretak - Cyrodil Scholar Unity, Diversity, and Tolerance Speech by Arron Dominion Mod Trailer Description: This mod is the first in a series of mods designed to look at current events in a familiar context of Skyrim. This installment brings a scholar from the city of Bruma that has taken the mantle of fighting the hate from the Stormcloaks. His speech is full of calls for unity, diversity, and tolerance. This mod is touching on the growing division, and hate we see in the modern world. Features: -A scholar with a few dialogue pieces involving his background -A speech in the center of Solitude with a large diverse audience. There is at least 2 of each race represented -The speech tackles the Stormcloak Rebellion and preaches unity, tolerance, and diversity -The audience for the speech changes on each playthrough -All done in a lore-friendly way Installation: -Extract .zip into your Data folder -Use whatever tool for managing your load order -Recommend having this mod at the bottom of the mod order -Load the game Note: For best experience make sure you have enough Solitude citizens. Dominion's More NPC mods will help if you need more. Final Note: There are more in this series planned. Thank you for taking the time to view the mod, watching the trailer and/or speech in full, or using the mod. Credits: https://www.freesound.org/people/anagar/sounds/267930/ -clapping - anagarhttps://www.freesound.org/people/unchaz/sounds/150957/ -Audience Cheering - unchazhttps://www.freesound.org/people/jessepash/sounds/139971/ -Applause 25 people - jessepash Huntress - Intro Artwork CharlieDeCat - Intro Diverstiy Alex Cain - Intro Unity Druundev (Ditte Bruun) - Intro Tolerance Alex Flick - Intro Ever-Learning Jessica Thorn (aka Sweet) - Intro Love Darkrogue21 - Intro Strength Billyro - Intro Progress juniper - Intro Hope Cheyenne - Intro and Trailer Creative Consultant Trailer Credits: Kai Engel - preiculum - http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Kai_Engel/Caeli/Kai_Engel_-_caeli_-_09_periculum_1089https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Help & Support: Pyro's Asylum Skinnytecboy Discord Armstrong Security Solutions Former Competitive Teammates VS Family Those Listed in Intro Credits Submitter Arron Dominion Submitted 03/15/2018 Category Quest Requires Special Edition Compatible
Guest Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 I mean good job on the mod and all but most mods on this site basically go in the opposite direction of this mod lol.
SexDwarf2250 Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 I, for one, think it is heart-warming that in a game world full of violence, theft, incest, mutilation, murder, bestiality, assassination, torture and rape we take a moment to remember the Nords shouldn't treat anyone differently because of how they look. Please also pause to reflect that even while the ethnically diverse and socially sensitive Thalmor are incredibly busy travelling to foreign lands for purpose of abducting, torturing and murdering the (wretchedly ungrateful) Nords because of their religious beliefs, they still take time out of their schedule to ensure they treat every Nord just like all the other Nords. Further, if you have any doubts that justice is on the side of the Thalmor and Empire, look no further to be corrected than the very introduction sequence of the game with the brilliant legal actions of General Tullius's Captain. If being found in Skyrim within an indeterminate amount of distance between you and some random Stormcloaks under undisclosed circumstances isn't enough to warrant an immediate, racially unmotivated execution without trial, for reasons of entirely justifiable religious cleansing, I don't know what is. 4
Celedhring Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 It would be truly hilarious if General Tullius and the Thalmor were present for the speech. I mean...Solitude leans pro-Empire after all. The Thalmor will blackbag poor Julius, just you wait and see. XD Or just use him to undermine the Stormcloak cause with "gentle persuasion" Or not quite so gentle. And as SexDwarf pointed out..the speech near where the opening execution of a Stormcloak sympathizer is rich in irony. Don't get me wrong, I think this mod is a great idea...but it's unintentionally hilarious in the sheer irony considering the the exact spot where it's taking place and the general direction of Skyrim's racial attitudes (especially when you throw in mods from Lovers' Lab!)
dabonzors22 Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 6 hours ago, SexDwarf2250 said: I, for one, think it is heart-warming that in a game world full of violence, theft, incest, mutilation, murder, bestiality, assassination, torture and rape we take a moment to remember the Nords shouldn't treat anyone differently because of how they look. Please also pause to reflect that even while the ethnically diverse and socially sensitive Thalmor are incredibly busy travelling to foreign lands for purpose of abducting, torturing and murdering the (wretchedly ungrateful) Nords because of their religious beliefs, they still take time out of their schedule to ensure they treat every Nord just like all the other Nords. Further, if you have any doubts that justice is on the side of the Thalmor and Empire, look no further to be corrected than the very introduction sequence of the game with the brilliant legal actions of General Tullius's Captain. If being found in Skyrim within an indeterminate amount of distance between you and some random Stormcloaks under undisclosed circumstances isn't enough to warrant an immediate, racially unmotivated execution without trial, for reasons of entirely justifiable religious cleansing, I don't know what is. All of this is why this mod is such a great addition to the game world. In our real political environment most extreme liberals are too blind in their hate for themselves that they forget that everyone else hates too. "Racism" is now taught by college professors as something exclusively practiced by white people. In truth it is practiced by those who are uneducated or unwilling to accept others for their differences, and has nothing to do with any one group of people having a label forced on them. Further, believing that everyone is the same is a flawed argument and will not solve anything. We are all different and the only way to solve anything is to accept that we ARE different and move on. This mod creates the perfect example of labeling a group of people as "racist" that may not necessarily be so. It also creates the perfect example of blindly accusing one group of people while completely ignoring everyone else. The Author has indeed brought a political reference of our modern world to Skyrim, though I doubt this was as intended. Context is always important to truth! This mod brings to light a blind view created out of context, which you were quick and witty enough to give. I encourage others to do this very same thing in our real political world. Personally I feel like a talented but indoctrinated individual has created this mod to get a rise out of people either as a social experiment or as a project for one of his/her/it's social studies classes. -- An X-Liberal 6
anon6076 Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 10 hours ago, SexDwarf2250 said: Further, if you have any doubts that justice is on the side of the Thalmor and Empire, look no further to be corrected than the very introduction sequence of the game with the brilliant legal actions of General Tullius's Captain. If being found in Skyrim within an indeterminate amount of distance between you and some random Stormcloaks under undisclosed circumstances isn't enough to warrant an immediate, racially unmotivated execution without trial, for reasons of entirely justifiable religious cleansing, I don't know what is. There is absolutely nothing wrong with executing suspects without trial. In fact, it is the cornerstone of freedoms. 2
user9120975435 Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 Yes, Nords should totally be for diversity and unity with an Empire that sold them out to the Thalmor and [Empire] now condones and even supports that other race's indiscriminate and beyond-the-law abductions, torture and summary executions of Nords whose biggest crime is that they believe in a god that *gasp* isn't a Mer, but a former human, and, sometimes to make it worse, dare to speculate that maybe Skyrim would be better off independent from an Empire that is rotting from the inside and would drag Skyrim into the abyss with it. Yes, I'm sure the hate Stormcloaks (a large part of whom are former Imperial soldiers and officers) have for the Empire and Thalmor, is the thing that needs to be fought by NPC SJWs in this game. Hopefully the author expands on this mod with a back-story where it is (rightfully) revealed that this preacher is a Thalmor agent, like the authors of some of the books you can find in the game (the Talos Mistake for example). Then I'll definitely play this mod. Until then I will ignore it as an attempt to drag RL American (or maybe also Western-European) politics into a game that offered an escape from just that RL. PS: re-reading the description of the mod reminded me of the accusations against Kingdom Come Deliverance for lack of diversity in not having black NPCs and women as soldiers, even though that game is based on RL Bohemia in early 15th century where there was NO black people and women were not soldiers. Considering Skyrim DOES have them (plus gay marriage, etc.) I was always sure it was safe from calls for diversity, inclusions, etc. Seems I was wrong, lol. 3
Arron Dominion Posted March 16, 2018 Author Posted March 16, 2018 It is good to see this type of discussion and/or critical thoughts on the mod, glad to see everything as civil, and that was partially the goal. Another was just to unload my pent up thoughts in a creative outlet, albeit the execution might not be the best or engaging for the majority of gamers. Also used the mod as an opportunity as a technical challenge when it came to utilizing scenes with a large number of actors with concurrent actions. This particular part of the series is in its final state, and will not be going through any version updates. I have other projects that I am working on, so it will be awhile before additional parts to the series will be released (all of varying topics with more interaction than this mod offered).
Celedhring Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 You know what would be fun? A Vigilant of Stendarr preaching against tribalism, racism, misogyny, rape and slavery while on a holy quest to stop such behavior. Even if your PC is an victim of such behavior. Or better yet, indulges in such activity. And he/she might be focused on straightening out your misbegotten life...either gently or violently. And maybe have a Daedric worshipper preaching the exact opposite thing. You know, Sanguine might get a kick out of corrupting the Vigilant of Stendarr....and you could either help or hinder that.
SexDwarf2250 Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 20 hours ago, user9120975435 said: Yes, I'm sure the hate Stormcloaks (a large part of whom are former Imperial soldiers and officers) have for the Empire and Thalmor, is the thing that needs to be fought by NPC SJWs in this game. But surely you must agree: when you have a native population that is undergoing involuntary religious purging by a foreign (only allegedly racist) power and their own government, there is just one way way to combat growing division and hate, assuming the arrests, detainment, torture, executions and massacres didn't work. This is, clearly, to chastise the heretics further for any disagreeable reactions, and then follow up with rousing speeches in which we wonder to ourselves why they aren't on our side. I am pretty sure this worked for the inquisition or the conquistadores, obviously, and even the catholic church wasn't this clever. 3
user9120975435 Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Quote Personally I feel like a talented but indoctrinated individual has created this mod to get a rise out of people either as a social experiment or as a Honestly I don't think the reasons were malicious, I honestly believe the author created this mod out of sincere (yet maybe misguided) motives and compulsions. One of the biggest problems with this mod is that it oversteps the boundary ALL other mods on this site adhere to (hopefully): never mix real life with fantasy. Most of mod authors and users here are very well aware that the behaviour and actions that these mods enable and condone/applaud should never be enacted in real life. This mod however broke this convent and brought real life politics (that are already the reason for a lot of intrasocietal strife) into fantasy. It might have been reverse breaking of unwritten rules, but it still broke them. Plus, it injected into game politics from real life, ruining our little haven or, to steal the phrase, safe space where we hide away to not be bothered and traumatised by real life. And that was the author's "crime". Further, the author directed his preaching against the wrong group of (fictional) people. What is being done with this mod is pure victim-blaming. And not just that, it's goals are a bit ridiculous and disconnected with reality (of the game), especially when it's completely ignoring a factual occupation by a foreign military/government of genocidal, supremacist maniacs that are completely convinced that humanity's station in life is to be culled and the remnant serving as slaves (many people forget that Thalmor are big on slavery as well) - the Thalmor (and once Snow Elves) saw humans as no better than animals. Historical reality of how far back it goes: Snow Elves and the culling of humans following the Night of tears. These elf supremacists honestly remind me of Nazis (Ubermenschen) and their view of Slavic people (Untermenschen). Quote project for one of his/her/it's social studies classes. Omg, how dare you assume the author's gender?! Don't you know there is no such thing as binary genders, that the are 67 of them? And that ALL of them must be included and named correctly, calling them "it" is violence and oppression and clear manifestation of white male privilege. If you don't then it's clear you're a fascist. to make it clear to others, above is all joke 14 hours ago, Celedhring said: You know what would be fun? A Vigilant of Stendarr preaching against tribalism, racism, misogyny, rape and slavery while on a holy quest to stop such behavior. Even if your PC is an victim of such behavior. Well, the preacher is already doing victim-blaming, so that wouldn't be a stretch. "You've got only yourself to blame for being raped by those Draugr, nobody forced you to go into that tomb" or "... those Draugr, you should've worn a chastity belt if you didn't want it happening" Though I think a Vigilant would be the wrong person to preach, their mission is after all only to fight daedra (and vampires at which they failed spectacularly). Maybe a priest of Mara would be better? Quote Or better yet, indulges in such activity. And he/she might be focused on straightening out your misbegotten life...either gently or violently. Hm, having a very persistent NPC buzzing around you and preaching about your misdeeds might lead to some entertaining times. He could be the Adoring Fan for Skyrim... Especially if he was set as essential and found you every few hours, force-greeting you and preaching about every bad thing you did (radiance). Could work with Fame framework maybe, especially if that was expanded? Maybe saddle you with some debuffs for your misdeeds? 5 hours ago, SexDwarf2250 said: But surely you must agree: when you have a native population that is undergoing involuntary religious purging by a foreign (only allegedly racist) power and their own government, there is just one way way to combat growing division and hate, assuming the arrests, detainment, torture, executions and massacres didn't work. This is, clearly, to chastise the heretics further for any disagreeable reactions, and then follow up with rousing speeches in which we wonder to ourselves why they aren't on our side. I am pretty sure this worked for the inquisition or the conquistadores, obviously, and even the catholic church wasn't this clever. Oh, I do agree. In fact, I believe the author should go even further: why not create a mod where the Thalmor have schools where they teach Nords to love other races and species, where Thalmor run workshops on inclusivity and gender equality where they help enlighten the dumb, backwater Nords on personal pronouns of every one of the other 67 genders and never to assume a person's identity, where they would teach Nords about equality of all races (all are equal, but some are more equal) and especially educate them to be tolerant of virtuous Thalmor agents and their completely innocent and well-meaning actions in Skyrim and allow these same Thalmor to complete their missions undisturbed for the good of mankind. Completely honestly, Skyrim is possibly one of the most liberal games: everyone can kill everyone else no matter what the gender. Though, those feminist rants about how women are being repressed by men (even though no proof of that is anywhere in the game, complete opposite in fact) do get annoying after a while. 4
wherewulf028 Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 After the shitshow that happened on the Nexus, I look forward to seeing what happens on a site where you don't need to be polite. Skyrim belongs to the nords. 1
user9120975435 Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, wherewulf028 said: After the shitshow that happened on the Nexus, I look forward to seeing what happens on a site where you don't need to be polite. Skyrim belongs to the nords. What shitshow? And for which mod? This one? 1
Celedhring Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 8:24 AM, user9120975435 said: Well, the preacher is already doing victim-blaming, so that wouldn't be a stretch. "You've got only yourself to blame for being raped by those Draugr, nobody forced you to go into that tomb" or "... those Draugr, you should've worn a chastity belt if you didn't want it happening" Though I think a Vigilant would be the wrong person to preach, their mission is after all only to fight daedra (and vampires at which they failed spectacularly). Maybe a priest of Mara would be better? Hm, having a very persistent NPC buzzing around you and preaching about your misdeeds might lead to some entertaining times. He could be the Adoring Fan for Skyrim... Especially if he was set as essential and found you every few hours, force-greeting you and preaching about every bad thing you did (radiance). Could work with Fame framework maybe, especially if that was expanded? Maybe saddle you with some debuffs for your misdeeds? You could name the NPC Jimmy Swaggart. Or Jim Bakker. >;) Or hell, Jerry Falwell. With a little purple Teletubby inserted in the game to make him "go away" - just like a crucifix allegedly does with a vampire. But I digress. You could try to change that to a militant Priestess of Dibella whose motto is "Make love, not war" Just having her around results in an orgy...even if you're fighting a entire bandit camp by yourself and the only way you're leaving after that is to have some very sore orifices afterwards. Or have that NPC force chastity gear on your unfortunate player character for an captive audience for his/her sermons about the vile and degrading things you have done or had done to yourself.
HermausMoron Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 ...I feel the sudden need to channel a far younger, slightly more immature version of myself. *clears throat* GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY! And now that you're nice and triggered, let me explain why this is a profoundly stupid idea. 1. The Cyrodillic Empire was conquered and occupied by the Aldmeri Dominion, a revival of an old elf-supremacist faction in the Shimmering Isles. Because of their own doctrine of racial superiority over other sentient races (due to a common belief among elves that they are descendants of the aedra, and that their ancestors were made mortal due to the death of the god Shor), the Thalmor have gone out of their way to suppress worship of Talos, a former human (humans are believed to be born as a result of Shor's self-sacrifice) turned aedra that previously enjoyed near universal worship because it undermines their doctrine and imminent domain political policies. In the chaos following the Oblivion Crisis, the Thalmor were able to conquer Cyrodil easily, and committed this grave blasphemy to spite the Empire's patron god. Naturally, this did not sit well with the people of Talos's former homeland, Skyrim, particularly when the Thalmor started forcing Imperial authorities to aid them in ferreting out innocent Talos worshippers. Ulfric Stormcloak ultimately tried to solve the clear weakness in Imperial leadership by challenging the then high king, Torryg, to duel for the throne, which Ulfric won. The civil war is the result of the Imperial puppet government treating this ancient rite as mere treason and regicide, in turn prompting much of the Imperial army to break ranks and side with Ulfric. And the Thalmor are actively fanning the flames of this conflict in order to keep the Empire/Skyrim confused and divided (much like your gender/racial/some other snake-oil discipline professor seems to have taught you). 2. Racism is already a major component of Elder Scrolls lore: just look at the back-and-forth enmity between the Dunmer and the Argonians. Given that the Thalmor are continually putting their boots down on the throat of the people of Skyrim and the wider Empire, don't you think it makes sense that the man leading the predominantly human army in rebellion against the Empire and Thalmor would have an understandable beef with elves? Besides which, Argonians are generally rare in Skyrim to begin with (thus, likely to be beneath Ulfric's notice, he's a busy man after all), and Khajiit caravans do have a well-earned reputation as gypsy analogs and drug dealers (seriously, I can't recall one Khajiit caravan merchant who wasn't selling moon sugar or skooma). 3. This is a fantasy setting based loosely on a historical epoch/human culture group, one infamous for war, rape, vandalism, and jaywalking. Over the course of most of human history, people were racist to varying degrees. We are were moving past that before moral busybodies like you started poking their nose into everyone's business and started accusing literally everyone you don't like as some kind of bigot regardless of context, personal history, or personal statements to the contrary. Inter-group prejudices, while often unpleasant, ignorant, or immoral, are an intrinsic part of humanity's evolutionary psychological hardware, and have legitimate adaptive functions. Doing away with prejudice altogether is a pipe dream, and by actually trying to do so one only makes the problem exponentially worse by sowing division and triggering psychological reactance in the people you're lecturing/slandering/attacking. For the sake of world-building alone, such a character does not make sense unless he is literally this setting's equivalent of Jesus (who was historically martyred btw). One Mary Sue per playthrough (ie the player) is quite enough, particularly when the newcomer is an insufferable pussy speaking to a crowd of token purse-puppies. 4. The setting is "diverse" anyway without your help, and that's not even getting into God only knows how many custom race mods are available. If anything, your talk of "diversity" and similar social justice buzzwords is triggering a strong Uncanny Valley response in me, and reminds me of other communities and fandoms I've witnessed firsthand infiltrated and destroyed by social justice activists who were never actually interested in the hobbies in the first place. 5. This is literally a modding community dedicated to sexual content, much of it extreme or niche fetish in nature. Unless this is some sort of early April Fool's joke, why do you think anyone here would want to play this? 6. You do not seem to grasp the concept of "escapism." Games like this are designed to let people disengage from the affairs of daily life. As in, leaving real-world politics at the door. Speaking for myself, I am subjected to SJW insanity daily (as in the stress has literally left me clinically depressed IRL), and play Skyrim to escape that. Seeing such a mod posted in this forum is akin to finding a poisonous centipede in the box with your sex toys. Shoehorning political propaganda into entertainment media is radioactive to artistic media, as has clearly been shown by such intrusions into nearly every form of mainstream entertainment. People want to escape this horseshit, not have more of it shoved down their throats when they're trying to relax! I realize this is harsh, but the timing of your post is exceedingly bad, and it has trod across several very frayed nerves. I can't tell if you're genuinely naive enough to believe the sugarcoated poison you're trying to push, but you're barking up the wrong tree (I refer you back to Fig. 1). 5
HermausMoron Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 7:21 AM, wherewulf028 said: After the shitshow that happened on the Nexus, I look forward to seeing what happens on a site where you don't need to be polite. Skyrim belongs to the nords. What shitshow? Oh God, did they try posting this on the Nexus already? On 3/16/2018 at 6:02 PM, Arron Dominion said: It is good to see this type of discussion and/or critical thoughts on the mod, glad to see everything as civil, and that was partially the goal. Another was just to unload my pent up thoughts in a creative outlet, albeit the execution might not be the best or engaging for the majority of gamers. Also used the mod as an opportunity as a technical challenge when it came to utilizing scenes with a large number of actors with concurrent actions. This particular part of the series is in its final state, and will not be going through any version updates. I have other projects that I am working on, so it will be awhile before additional parts to the series will be released (all of varying topics with more interaction than this mod offered). The fact that you seem to be treating "gamers" as an outgroup only reinforces my suspicions that something fishy is going on here. On 3/16/2018 at 7:27 PM, Celedhring said: You know what would be fun? A Vigilant of Stendarr preaching against tribalism, racism, misogyny, rape and slavery while on a holy quest to stop such behavior. Even if your PC is an victim of such behavior. Or better yet, indulges in such activity. And he/she might be focused on straightening out your misbegotten life...either gently or violently. And maybe have a Daedric worshipper preaching the exact opposite thing. You know, Sanguine might get a kick out of corrupting the Vigilant of Stendarr....and you could either help or hinder that. Basically, Shikieiki Yamaxanadu from Touhou Project. A moral busybody who is extremely unpopular in-setting and almost universally ignored. On 3/17/2018 at 9:24 AM, user9120975435 said: Honestly I don't think the reasons were malicious, I honestly believe the author created this mod out of sincere (yet maybe misguided) motives and compulsions. I honestly hope you're right on this count. Lord knows I've run across enough that are genuinely well-intentioned. But as user9120875435 pointed out, this increasingly reeks of some sort of social constructivist class project or trolling for pushback which can be spun into some sort of victimhood/bigotry narrative. I've seen this dance many times before, and Arron Dominion (as if that screen name wasn't curiously on the nose) is throwing up more red flags than Minesweeper. On 3/17/2018 at 9:24 AM, user9120975435 said: Further, the author directed his preaching against the wrong group of (fictional) people. What is being done with this mod is pure victim-blaming. And not just that, it's goals are a bit ridiculous and disconnected with reality (of the game), especially when it's completely ignoring a factual occupation by a foreign military/government of genocidal, supremacist maniacs that are completely convinced that humanity's station in life is to be culled and the remnant serving as slaves (many people forget that Thalmor are big on slavery as well) - the Thalmor (and once Snow Elves) saw humans as no better than animals. Historical reality of how far back it goes: Snow Elves and the culling of humans following the Night of tears. These elf supremacists honestly remind me of Nazis (Ubermenschen) and their view of Slavic people (Untermenschen). Well, Nords are white, which means they are born irredeemably racist, have no culture of their own, and stole everything else from the Redguard. (/s) In all seriousness though, it scares me how thoroughly oblivious SJWs are to their own victim-blaming tendencies. On 3/17/2018 at 9:24 AM, user9120975435 said: Omg, how dare you assume the author's gender?! Don't you know there is no such thing as binary genders, that the are 67 of them? And that ALL of them must be included and named correctly, calling them "it" is violence and oppression and clear manifestation of white male privilege. If you don't then it's clear you're a fascist. to make it clear to others, above is all joke And the modders of Loverslab are the worst kind of alt-right Russian Nazibots for not dropping all the projects they're working on to pour their collective energies into integrating all those majestic iterations of the gender rainbow into the character creation options and NPC generating algorithms. And also all the little boys need to be trans and in full drag. Also joking. On 3/17/2018 at 9:24 AM, user9120975435 said: Oh, I do agree. In fact, I believe the author should go even further: why not create a mod where the Thalmor have schools where they teach Nords to love other races and species, where Thalmor run workshops on inclusivity and gender equality where they help enlighten the dumb, backwater Nords on personal pronouns of every one of the other 67 genders and never to assume a person's identity, where they would teach Nords about equality of all races (all are equal, but some are more equal) and especially educate them to be tolerant of virtuous Thalmor agents and their completely innocent and well-meaning actions in Skyrim and allow these same Thalmor to complete their missions undisturbed for the good of mankind. Completely honestly, Skyrim is possibly one of the most liberal games: everyone can kill everyone else no matter what the gender. Though, those feminist rants about how women are being repressed by men (even though no proof of that is anywhere in the game, complete opposite in fact) do get annoying after a while. Now THAT I might actually want to download... provided I could be sure it was designed as a joke. As it is now, though... And yeah, Bethesda has a history of making games where anyone can romance anyone. Even without sex mods, it seems like everyone in Skyrim is bi. 1
wherewulf028 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 24 minutes ago, HermausMoron said: What shitshow? Oh God, did they try posting this on the Nexus already? Yep, it was posted on the Nexus a couple months ago. Needless to say it went over like a lead balloon. 4
user9120975435 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 9 hours ago, HermausMoron said: And now that you're nice and triggered, let me explain why this is a profoundly stupid idea. Excellent post! 9 hours ago, HermausMoron said: If anything, your talk of "diversity" and similar social justice buzzwords I was raised in the spirit of respecting other people and their choices in life, but honestly the insanity I read about and see in youtube clips going down in the West is flooring me and making me terrified it's gonna spread to my country. 9 hours ago, HermausMoron said: I honestly hope you're right on this count. Actually now that it's previous attempt on Nexus has been revealed I don't even give my previous idea 1% of chance. This has to be intentional. He failed on Nexus and then heard of LL and now tries to subvert and destroy this enemy of SJW. I'm against mob mentality/justice, but maybe in this case we should make an exception before this cancer takes root here as well. At the very least moderators should put this author on a watched list where all his mods would have to be approved before they are posted. 9 hours ago, HermausMoron said: all those majestic iterations of the gender rainbow into the character creation options and NPC generating algorithms. And also all the little boys need to be trans and in full drag. Please don't make me throw up. 9 hours ago, HermausMoron said: Now THAT I might actually want to download... provided I could be sure it was designed as a joke. As it is now, though... Well, it was meant as such, yes, but right now I'm starting to fear I may have given the OP or some of his cohorts an idea for a future mod. :S I'm actually thinking of downloading this mod just for the sake of dropping a piano on the "scholar" in front of his cult... er, listeners. Does he by any chance preach under the Solitude arch? Cause that kind of setting would be breeming with possibilities. Need to look for mods that add explosives into the game. 9 hours ago, HermausMoron said: And yeah, Bethesda has a history of making games where anyone can romance anyone. Even without sex mods, it seems like everyone in Skyrim is bi. Yeah, idiotic, tbh. Even worse are Bioware games. Sometimes I get the feeling devs are trying to push down our throats the idea that there are no straight people. They are either just gays-in-denial or just haven't "found themselves yet". 9 hours ago, wherewulf028 said: Yep, it was posted on the Nexus a couple months ago. Needless to say it went over like a lead balloon. If I remember Nexus forums correctly, can I assume that pretty much everyone who responded negatively to this mod was immediately banned by any of the horde of Nexus' moronic mods? 3
Jexsam Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 I hate that I can't tell who's being facetious and who's being genuine in half these posts.
HermausMoron Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Jexsam said: I hate that I can't tell who's being facetious and who's being genuine in half these posts. It helps if you know how to speak Old Trollish or Shitlordian. It helps even more if you have prior experience with these kind of people. Sadly, Poe's Law has been in overdrive for years, to the point that I find myself questioning my sanity daily. I am dead serious though (oh, how I wish I could be facetious about this) when I say I've seen multiple art media, online platforms, and subcultures parasitized and outright destroyed by this kind of shit. Tumblr, Twitter, science fiction, video gaming, online atheism, Magic: the Gathering (complete with actual pedos organizing events where children are present!), comic books, Youtube, 4chan... In terms of MO, SJW infiltrators typically try to cosy up to mods or admins, often flirting with them until they can use nepotism to achieve moderator status themselves. At that point, said moral busybody proceeds to abuse their power at every turn, banning users for any number of offenses (real or feigned), including a given forum's baseline cultural tenor (e.g. memes and inside jokes), specious claims of harassment or bullying (pure projection), political/ideological differences, defending themselves from being banned for being some sort of bigot, coming to the defense of someone wrongfully banned, and pretty much any sort of opposition to the obvious shenanigans. Once spirited resistance/complaints begin to start in earnest, the SJW mod will run to the mod/admin they've tricked into giving them power, who will in turn either leverage their own power to quash reasonable opposition to abuse or give the SJW more power and privileges, which usually involves giving the SJW mod free reign to change the Terms of Service at any time for any reason. The last part is particularly insidious, in that such power is invariably abused so that the SJW mod/admin can flagrantly break the rules only to make ad hoc changes to said rules whenever someone calls them on it (usually while pretending that the rules have always been this way and hoping no one will notice). At all times, the abusive relationship (or even merely perceived relationship) with the seduced mod/admin is used as a shield from reprisal. By the time people start self-censoring to avoid drawing the wrath of that one mod, it will basically take a miracle to stop the corruption. And once the SJW mod is given admin privileges, they will inevitably start to strip longtime native mods of their own privileges, filling those vacant posts with personal friends from outside the community. These then become the infiltrator's enforcers, the number of bans and permabans shoots through the roof, and doxxing of users by the new mods for wrong-think becomes commonplace. The forums will begin to die as users are permabanned or simply leave in the face of the increasingly censorious atmosphere. In the end, the SJWs (and possibly the seduced mod/admin, if they haven't already been discarded like a used condom after they cease to be of use to the infiltrator) find themselves ruling over an empty forum ostensibly about something they were never passionate about to begin with. They may pervert the forums to leftist ideology or vapid gossip, but chances are the infiltrators will just move on to another forum to repeat the cycle. I wish I was making this up. One of the main factors behind Gamergate was how pretty much every gaming forum (and quite a few besides) began censoring any and all discussion of the suspicious actions of a certain sociopathic manipulator and members of a gaming press already suspected of pulling shady shit with game developers SIMULTANEOUSLY! The mods responsible were almost invariably newcomers, shit-stirrers, people who seemed to actively hate the native forum populations, and/or reached their positions through personal connections to existing mods. For weeks, the forums and comment sections where the growing scandal could be discussed I could number on one hand. It was during this period that 4chan, the infamous asshole of the Internet, fell as seasoned oldfag mods and admins were removed behind the scenes (I still have the screencaps if you're interested) and replaced with feminist buzzkills. It was later learned this happened at the behest of M00t himself, as he sold the website and community that he built to Gawker (M00t was also dating Nick Denton's niece at the time, and she ironically went on to cheat on him), a company that was directly involved with an even deeper corruption linked to the earlier individual whose name shall remain unspoken. What followed was a great purge, as over half the boards were locked down and countless users were permabanned, prompting an exodus of oldfags to 8chan and other forums. Nowadays, barring /pol/ (more there out of sheer spite, I imagine), the boards are filled with hipsters, normies, and SJWs (last I checked, the new crop of mods is still in place and will ban you for any and every reason) that would previously have been a source of constant mockery. To put this in perspective, one of the first actual rules 4chan implemented when it was just getting started was a ban on furry porn, due to the massive floods that certain boards were subjected to back then. For a while, the posting of furry porn was restricted to Fridays (hence the ancient meme "Furry Friday"), but eventually it was banned entirely and posting it became a bannable offense. These days, furry porn flows freely on 4chan. 2
HermausMoron Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 7 hours ago, user9120975435 said: I was raised in the spirit of respecting other people and their choices in life, but honestly the insanity I read about and see in youtube clips going down in the West is flooring me and making me terrified it's gonna spread to my country. Quite. Sad to say, but a lot of this feels too coordinated to be coincidence... but I'd rather not go into detail about my suspicions here. 7 hours ago, user9120975435 said: Actually now that it's previous attempt on Nexus has been revealed I don't even give my previous idea 1% of chance. This has to be intentional. He failed on Nexus and then heard of LL and now tries to subvert and destroy this enemy of SJW. I'm against mob mentality/justice, but maybe in this case we should make an exception before this cancer takes root here as well. At the very least moderators should put this author on a watched list where all his mods would have to be approved before they are posted. Believe me, I know what you mean. I have seen some shit over the last few years, none of which I asked for. It has always been them impinging upon the platform I'm using, trying to take control of the long-time hobbies I love and slandering anyone who resists, making anything that is universally appealing or beautiful ugly and meaningless. I also maintain that we should avoid mob justice on this matter at all costs. If anything, our responses should be surgical. Has Arron Dominion been flirting with or sucking up to any mods or admins lately? That would be a definite sign that something is up, in which case we might want to warn the admins beforehand. Beyond that, checking their forum history would probably be a good idea (my money's on them being new members). 7 hours ago, user9120975435 said: Please don't make me throw up. Yeah, I wish I was making any of that up. Know I vomit with you, brother. 7 hours ago, user9120975435 said: Well, it was meant as such, yes, but right now I'm starting to fear I may have given the OP or some of his cohorts an idea for a future mod. :S Honestly, I'm surprised someone pushing this subversive faggotry would go to the trouble of actually making a mod. On the other hand, however, it does show the hallmarks of an SJW dev, specifically putting in the bare minimum of effort needed and prioritizing agenda-pushing over any meaningful gameplay. Seriously, apart from some voice-acting (either for this pod person or the idiots of every race and creed licking his asshole) and a little scripting to arrange them all properly in the scene, what does this mod actually bring to the Skyrim experience? But like I said, SJW devs tend to be lazy. Unless this whole thing is just a massive troll (as would perhaps be indicated by a future update where you can drop a piano on him or something equally funny mid-speech) I sincerely doubt the uploader is going to bother going further with this, let alone take such constructive ideas to heart. 7 hours ago, user9120975435 said: I'm actually thinking of downloading this mod just for the sake of dropping a piano on the "scholar" in front of his cult... er, listeners. Does he by any chance preach under the Solitude arch? Cause that kind of setting would be breeming with possibilities. Need to look for mods that add explosives into the game. I wouldn't want to soil my hard drive with this filth, both on principle and for fear of malware. And I believe he's giving this speech near where they execute the guy that let Ulfric escape after slaying Torryg in that duel. So, you know, salt on the wound and victim-blaming. 7 hours ago, user9120975435 said: Yeah, idiotic, tbh. Even worse are Bioware games. Sometimes I get the feeling devs are trying to push down our throats the idea that there are no straight people. They are either just gays-in-denial or just haven't "found themselves yet". Oh, there's a world of difference between Bethesda and Bioware. Back when Mass Effect was still good, the writer responsible for the romance mechanics and most of the cancer in the third game went on the record saying that she wasn't interested in video games or violence, but was far more interested in writing fan-fiction and shipping. Which probably explains how Shepherd is able to romance the gay member of his crew while said man is still in mourning over his husband who was killed by the Reapers. (Seriously, only two romance threads actually feel organic to the characters, and even then those depend on the gender you choose for Shepherd for a given playthrough.) And the less said about ME: Andromeda, the better. In contrast, I view Bethesda's marriage mechanics to be more the result of laziness than millenial purse-puppying or the pushing of some kind of radical LGBT agenda. Their last major games all have avid modding communities, much of which involves in-game romance choices. The devteam probably just said, "Fuck it, we'll let anybody marry anybody, let the player do whatever the fuck they want." ...And now I have the sudden urge to have one of my characters marry a horse just because they can. Though the body size alone seems like it would needlessly complicate employing them as a housewife or maid... And as to your last point, yes, many SJWs 'creatives' will occasionally say stuff like that (usually on social media). Hell, I know of a horrible web-comic about a Gary Stu trans kid that slowly turns everything around him (save his poor 'oppressive' dad) some shade of queer and crazy. They did several comics that basically said that there used to be a far wider variety of genders during some bizarre forgotten golden age, and that the genders of male and female used subterfuge to steal power from the other, more enlightened genders. (And yes, the author is a trans-trender and almost certainly insane.) 7 hours ago, user9120975435 said: If I remember Nexus forums correctly, can I assume that pretty much everyone who responded negatively to this mod was immediately banned by any of the horde of Nexus' moronic mods? Wouldn't know. I tend to play Skyrim seasonally, at which time I lightly browse the Nexus within certain mod categories; I rarely interact with other users. Far more involved here at LL, and still usually keep my nose out of things (the nature of this mod and my history with such phenomena being notable exceptions). 2
SmedleyDButler Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 Slow down man, I'm running out of tinfoil. 2
HermausMoron Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, SmedleyDButler said: Slow down man, I'm running out of tinfoil. I'm stuck in a university at the moment, I think you can see why I'm a bit tense. 1
Celedhring Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 I'm always facetious. Or so I like to think. There are no sacred cows here and if there's a joke to be made there, I won't hestitate to. 1
SexDwarf2250 Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 21 hours ago, HermausMoron said: [Those] responsible were almost invariably [...] shit-stirrers, people who seemed to actively hate the native [...] populations, and/or reached their positions through personal connections [...] And this is exactly how people like Trump get elected, with a healthy side of ironic justice.
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