Why is my character's waist so small? [RESOLVED]

[huntressaela]

I have run into an issue and for the life of me cannot figure out why it's happening. My PC looks like this:

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For reference, the body I've built in Bodyslide looks like this:

 

With an extremely nipped in waist that is NOT how I built the body in BS. I have run into this issue before as well, using UUNP (I'm using CBBE atm, with a personally edited preset based on CBBE Curvy).

 

Does anyone know why this is happening? This waist issue persists when nude and wearing clothing, even vanilla clothing, though when wearing modded Bodyslide prisoner clothes it is more noticeable.

 

PLS HELP I WILL REWARD YOU WITH SEXY SCREENIES.  Tati just wants to be more realistically proportioned, y'all.

[myuhinny]

Too many weight watchers and slim Jim's. Other then that all we can do is guess without a load order.

[Ernest Lemmingway]

Delete the current character meshes and rebuild them in BS. The old meshes likely weren't overwritten properly and instead were merged by the game.

[huntressaela]

Apologies about not including LO in the first post; I didn't know how/didn't know if it was relevant. I'll just include it with all inquiries from now on. 

 

Load Order from MO:

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Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
SexLab.esm
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
Campfire.esm
Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm
hdtHighHeel.esm
RSkyrimChildren.esm
WM Flora Fixes.esp
Heels Sound.esm
ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
Havok Breast Physic.esm
Cutting Room Floor.esp
SkyUI.esp
SafeAutoSave.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
Vividian - Extended Weathers.esp
IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
BVFE_Serana.esp
AHZmoreHUD.esp
UIExtensions.esp
AddItemMenu2.esp
FISS.esp
AMatterOfTime.esp
Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp
RelightingSkyrim_Legendary.esp
Palaces Castles Enhanced.esp
ETaC - Complete.esp
RealisticRoomRental.esp
Bathing in Skyrim - Realistic Room Rental.esp
CraftableCrownHelmets.esp
LegacyoftheDragonborn.esp
BetterQuestObjectives.esp
SOS - Addons.esp
ClamsDropPearls.esp
Dogs Into Huskies.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp
FNIS.esp
GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp
LearnAlchemyFromRecipes.esp
Brows.esp
JiubQuestMarkers.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
Snazzy Furniture and Clutter Overhaul.esp
ELE_Legendary_Lite.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
3DNPC.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
SFCO - LotD Patch.esp
Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp
Skyrim Romance Animated.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
NPC_Overhaul_V_3_.esp
SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp
DA_Skyship.esp
DBM_DASkyship_Addon.esp
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
Complete Crafting_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
Disparity.esp
Immersive Whiterun.esp
ETaC - Complete LoS Patch.esp
Immersive Solstheim.esp
Immersive Citizens - RRR patch.esp
Havok Breast Physic.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
hearthfireextended.esp
Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp
UnblockActivateNoWereNoMap.esp
Point The Way.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp
DBM_WAF_CCF_CCOR_Patch.esp
DovahBlingJewelryReplacer.esp
Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
Imperious - Disparity Compatibility Patch.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-AFTPatch.esp
JaxonzSmartLooter.esp
PCE - Relighting Skyrim.esp
PCE - SFCO Patch.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
TheChoiceIsYours.esp
SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp
Laundry.esp
Luggage.esp
SMIM-Merged-All.esp
Atlas Legendary.esp
AetheriumSwordsnArmor.esp
RDO - iAFT Patch.esp
Horses of Skyrim.esp
Tentapalooza.esp
Tentapalooza Bathing in Skyrim Patch.esp
imp_helm_legend.esp
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
SL01AmuletsSkyrim.esp
ETaC - Complete CRF Patch.esp
DBM_IWIA_Patch.esp
RRR_3DNPC-Patch.esp
Bring Out Your Dead - Legendary Edition.esp
Weathered Road Signs - CRF.esp
ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp
SLPrivacy.esp
BR_HoodCirclets.esp
PCE - Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch.esp
Bijin AIO.esp
HFDecorativeDolls.esp
Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp
IB - All-in-One.esp
Aranea.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-AMBSkyforgePatch.esp
HearthFire Display Case Fix.esp
3DNPC Alternative Locations.esp
PCE - SPO Patch.esp
PCE - 3DNPC Patch.esp
DBM_AmuletsOfSkyrim_Patch.esp
DBM_CRF_Patch.esp
PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp
TimingIsEverything.esp
The Manipulator.esp
PilgrimsDelight.esp
Elisif Makeover.esp
JaxonzEnhGrab.esp
Illustrious HDT Cloaks.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
more plants all extra.esp
PCE - USLEEP+CRF Patch.esp
Sneak Tools.esp
Fresh Faces - USLEEP.esp
DBM - ETaC Complete Patch.esp
DwemApart.esp
PCE - Legacy of the Dragonborn Patch.esp
Jewelry.esp
Accessories.esp
Dawnguard&VolkiharArtifactsQuests.esp
Gildergreen Regrown.esp
NotSoFast-MageGuild.esp
NotSoFast-MainQuest.esp
Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
Males of Skyrim.esp
SL01AmuletsSkyrimDGDB_Outfit_CCOR.esp
College of Winterhold NPC Impovement.esp
Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp
ICOW Patch.esp
RND_AnimalLoot.esp
RSChildren - CRF Patch.esp
Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp
moveitLWT.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
WondersofWeather.esp
WetandCold.esp
WetandCold - Ashes.esp
WMFF Clams Drop Pearls Patch.esp
WM Trap Fixes.esp
WarmongerArmory_Vanilla.esp
WarmongerArmory_DLC.esp
WarmongerArmory_LeveledList.esp
XPMSE.esp
SOSRaceMenu.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
SmartNoMoreStupidDogDGHF.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
Beards.esp
The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
KS Hairdos - HDT.esp
KS Hairdo's.esp
AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp
Aurora - Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
BloodBarrels.esp
CollegeApplication.esp
ThaneWeaponsReborn.esp
RM Replacers - Forsworn SoS.esp
studentex.esp
Vampire_NoSunDamage_Hoods&Helmets.esp
DBM_DGE_Patch.esp
Dwemer Goggles & Scouter.esp
DBM_RSChildren.esp
Dual Sheath Redux.esp
Elemental Staves.esp
IHSS.esp
LSFX-Audiosettings.esp
Mage Outfit Texture Overhaul.esp
ORM-Arvak.esp
prettypotions.esp
RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Sorted.esp
Saeri_AetherialCrown.esp
StormcloakArmorRevival_GuardFix.esp
Thane Weapons Reborn - NotSoFast-MainQuest patch.esp
RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
PrinceandPauper.esp
RSChildren - Complete.esp
Prince and Pauper - RS Children and 3DNPCs.esp
RSChildren Patch - USLEEP.esp
Footprints.esp
JaxonzRenamer.esp
12FemaleBrows.esp
SoapRetex_BIS.esp
FollowerAsCompanion.esp
PCE - Marked Droppable Barenziah Stones.esp
PCE - Royal Armory Patch.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuOverlays.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
FloppySOS.esp
ETaC - Complete RS Patch.esp
RND_ETaC-Patch.esp
DBM_RND_Patch.esp
DBM_RoyalArmory_Patch.esp
DBM_SCRR_Patch.esp
hothtrooper44_ArmorPatch.esp
UNP Jewelry Variants.esp
LeatherSandals.esp
SLAnimLoader.esp
NibblesAnimObjects.esp
SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp
SexLab Cumshot.esp
VindictusMixRobes.esp
Accessories and Outfits.esp
Pretty Dresses.esp
Animation Objects - Merged.esp
Poser Hotkeys.esp
Hide Those Futile Quests.esp
EasyWheel.esp
GuardAnimationsGDO.esp
FreckleMania2.esp
bodyscars.esp
RaceMenuOverlayCompilation - CBBE.esp
TheCoenaculiCBBE.esp
TheCoenaculiMALE.esp
Kai's Lipstick.esp
Body Paints.esp
NB-Scars.esp
KJ Tattoos 2K.esp
Nuska Warpaint.esp
Immersive Citizens - ELE patch.esp
vMYC_MeetYourCharacters.esp
My Home Is Your Home.esp
HFE-CRF-Patch.esp
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
Apocalypse - Waterstride Spell Addon.esp
Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp
sandboxcylinderheight.esp
Dwemer Storage Cube.esp
MeekoReborn.esp
VigilanceReborn.esp
ApachiiHelmetWigs.esp
Lingerie.esp
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
RDO - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp
anyonefollows2.esp
ThrowVoice_NoSubs.esp
ETaC - Complete ELE Patch.esp
Havok Breast Physic Dawnguard.esp
Havok Breast Physic Dragonborn.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp
PCE - Live Another Life Patch.esp
ETaC - Complete AS-LAL Patch.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

 

Not all are active but are incorporated into the Bashed patch. Some are merged plugins.

 

Also, I seem to CTD every time I attempt to change Racemenu Bodyslide sliders. D:

[myuhinny]

I would redo the body like Ernest Lemmingway said and see if that did but if that fixes it if it doesn't work I would suggest reinstalling RaceMenu.esp RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp and another race menu plugin and see if that might be the cause since you are crashing when trying to use the sliders it might mean that race menu or one of it's addons is causing it.

[dragongodmod117]

I'm not too sure what mod it is but I see in the first screenshot that you have something that registers your character's weight. Is it possible that that specific mod is possibly editing body morphs?

[Mud]

What skeleton are you using? If the waist is noticeably thin even when wearing vanilla outfits that seems like the most likely culprit. Getting your old bodies halfway overwritten and "merged" is, to my knowledge, not a thing that can happen, especially if the resulting shape is not something you were aiming for in the first place.

[huntressaela]

4 hours ago, dragongodmod117 said:

I'm not too sure what mod it is but I see in the first screenshot that you have something that registers your character's weight. Is it possible that that specific mod is possibly editing body morphs?

I'm sure it's possible, but highly unlikely. That is a widget from Realistic Needs and Diseases and I've used that for a while and never experienced this issue.  I've reinstalled my skeleton and rebuilt the body in Bodyslide, as well as reinstalling RaceMenu.

 

Aaaaaaand now I'm crashing before I can even load up my old saves.  Guess I'll try a new game.

Papyrus log attached.

Papyrus.0.log.7z

 

 

UPDATE: I started a new game without loading my character preset that I had previously made for my character and the issue did NOT persist. I'm really sad, because she was beautiful, but there must be something wrong with that preset. :S Luckily I saved her head sculpt so I'll figure it out.

 

UPDATE 2: I still can't use the CBBE Sliders without CTD. Gonna attach updated papyrus log. I'm also using Crash Fixes, I'll see if there's something in the configuration settings about Bodyslide Sliders; I know it can cause crashes with Racemenu sometimes.

--- Papyrus.log.7z

 

UPDATE 3: Yep, it was Crash Fixes. From the mod page:

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Common issues:

UseOSAllocators=1 and crashing when touching sliders in character creation or otherwise.
Set AlignHeapAllocate=1 in CrashFixPlugin.ini, downside is increased load time and increased memory usage.
 

Hope it doesn't mess up the flow of the game. Anyone know if changing this back to 0 when I'm done editing sliders will be safe?

[huntressaela]

Final update: I'm not entirely certain what the root cause of the strangely shaped body was, but I have eliminated the issue so I'm happy. Turns out I did not actually have the head saved from the previous preset, but I loaded up one I already had and tweaked her and to be honest I think she looks much more like the character I had in mind anyway.

 

Many thanks to you all for your help!

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