DykkenTomb Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 The only reason to get SE is to play longer without crashing. SE looks ten times better even with out an Enb i am running Luminous ENB with ELFX . and have not stoped playing it since SE came out .yes i miss my bouncing tits and clams of skyrim physics .but im running the COS Body with 360 walk with BBP and it looks awesome .it just a matter of time .some people are still playing Oblivion Objectively false. Please explain your argument. No argument but ill do it for him anyways! Tada Yea the first pic is vanilla skyrim SE. The rest are obviously ENB's. Also the moon is obviously made of cheese. I get it, you like SE, i do too, I just decided to stop playing Legendary, but jesus. Come on. Be smart here and think before you put silly comments like that. Maybe.... ENB looks nice and Oldrim does look better, but out of the box... SSE is beautiful with just a few simple mods added. Here is a screen shot I took with my setup. Dolomite Weathers, Climates of Tamriel, Tempered Skins For Males SOS- Light Part 1 and 2, Noble 2k. You can't lie that SSE has the potential to eventually... Eventually if modders are able to add more to the game to out perform Skyrim 32bit. There is no ENB here, but you can definitely tell the difference from the first shot of vanilla from what it looks like. ENB from Oldrim is better with subsurface scattering and lighting. But this shows the major potential of SSE and how gorgeous it can look with just a few texture mods and lighting tweaks. You add that with stability on top. You'll be swimming in mead! I could probably make it even more beautiful if I added more texture and mesh fix mods, but... I want to play the game and not create a graphical screen shot setup with this character. I've created this specific character and it looks like this with just this simple setup with not tweaking. It actually looks less than the textures should be. I could have added 4k textures, but I choose 1k and 2k and optimized them for stability for what my machine can handle and it still look pretty damn good.
sunhawken Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 The only reason to get SE is to play longer without crashing. SE looks ten times better even with out an Enb i am running Luminous ENB with ELFX . and have not stoped playing it since SE came out .yes i miss my bouncing tits and clams of skyrim physics .but im running the COS Body with 360 walk with BBP and it looks awesome .it just a matter of time .some people are still playing Oblivion Objectively false. Please explain your argument. No argument but ill do it for him anyways! Tada Yea the first pic is vanilla skyrim SE. The rest are obviously ENB's. Also the moon is obviously made of cheese. I get it, you like SE, i do too, I just decided to stop playing Legendary, but jesus. Come on. Be smart here and think before you put silly comments like that. Maybe.... ENB looks nice and Oldrim does look better, but out of the box... SSE is beautiful with just a few simple mods added. Here is a screen shot I took with my setup. Dolomite Weathers, Climates of Tamriel, Tempered Skins For Males SOS- Light Part 1 and 2, Noble 2k. You can't lie that SSE has the potential to eventually... Eventually if modders are able to add more to the game to out perform Skyrim 32bit. There is no ENB here, but you can definitely tell the difference from the first shot of vanilla from what it looks like. ENB from Oldrim is better with subsurface scattering and lighting. But this shows the major potential of SSE and how gorgeous it can look with just a few texture mods and lighting tweaks. You add that with stability on top. You'll be swimming in mead! I could probably make it even more beautiful if I added more texture and mesh fix mods, but... I want to play the game and not create a graphical screen shot setup with this character. I've created this specific character and it looks like this with just this simple setup with not tweaking. It actually looks less than the textures should be. I could have added 4k textures, but I choose 1k and 2k and optimized them for stability for what my machine can handle and it still look pretty damn good. That's your own opinion , but technically wise it's not about graphic(s) is about 64bit performance in the end Bruma SE is a great example. \ I never said I loved SE , I love LE AND SE . I only play SE cause I can play on end with no crash and have already converted 85% on my old 300+ mod list lacking SKSE , HDT/BPP sex mods.
Poet Olette Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 The only reason to get SE is to play longer without crashing. SE looks ten times better even with out an Enb i am running Luminous ENB with ELFX . and have not stoped playing it since SE came out .yes i miss my bouncing tits and clams of skyrim physics .but im running the COS Body with 360 walk with BBP and it looks awesome .it just a matter of time .some people are still playing Oblivion Objectively false. Please explain your argument. No argument but ill do it for him anyways! Tada Yea the first pic is vanilla skyrim SE. The rest are obviously ENB's. Also the moon is obviously made of cheese. I get it, you like SE, i do too, I just decided to stop playing Legendary, but jesus. Come on. Be smart here and think before you put silly comments like that. Maybe.... ENB looks nice and Oldrim does look better, but out of the box... SSE is beautiful with just a few simple mods added. Here is a screen shot I took with my setup. Dolomite Weathers, Climates of Tamriel, Tempered Skins For Males SOS- Light Part 1 and 2, Noble 2k. You can't lie that SSE has the potential to eventually... Eventually if modders are able to add more to the game to out perform Skyrim 32bit. There is no ENB here, but you can definitely tell the difference from the first shot of vanilla from what it looks like. ENB from Oldrim is better with subsurface scattering and lighting. But this shows the major potential of SSE and how gorgeous it can look with just a few texture mods and lighting tweaks. You add that with stability on top. You'll be swimming in mead! I could probably make it even more beautiful if I added more texture and mesh fix mods, but... I want to play the game and not create a graphical screen shot setup with this character. I've created this specific character and it looks like this with just this simple setup with not tweaking. It actually looks less than the textures should be. I could have added 4k textures, but I choose 1k and 2k and optimized them for stability for what my machine can handle and it still look pretty damn good. That's your own opinion , but technically wise it's not about graphic(s) is about 64bit performance in the end Bruma SE is a great example. \ I never said I loved SE , I love LE AND SE . I only play SE cause I can play on end with no crash and have already converted 85% on my old 300+ mod list lacking SKSE , HDT/BPP sex mods. Thats like saying a low resolution picture looks better than the better quality one. If you like the vanilla look of skyrim then ok, but saying that its better than skyrim with a enb is just plain silly. If we are strictly talking about graphics here and effects and not preference over themes and presets and nostalgia, then its clear that SE out of the box looks nowhere near as good as Oldrim does with a enb. You're comment is like the text book answer to anyone just trying to stir up trouble over misinformation. Wanna make a debate about something skyrim related? Choose a topic that isn't clearly wrong to begin with.
sunhawken Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 The only reason to get SE is to play longer without crashing. SE looks ten times better even with out an Enb i am running Luminous ENB with ELFX . and have not stoped playing it since SE came out .yes i miss my bouncing tits and clams of skyrim physics .but im running the COS Body with 360 walk with BBP and it looks awesome .it just a matter of time .some people are still playing Oblivion Objectively false. Please explain your argument. No argument but ill do it for him anyways! Tada Yea the first pic is vanilla skyrim SE. The rest are obviously ENB's. Also the moon is obviously made of cheese. I get it, you like SE, i do too, I just decided to stop playing Legendary, but jesus. Come on. Be smart here and think before you put silly comments like that. Maybe.... ENB looks nice and Oldrim does look better, but out of the box... SSE is beautiful with just a few simple mods added. Here is a screen shot I took with my setup. Dolomite Weathers, Climates of Tamriel, Tempered Skins For Males SOS- Light Part 1 and 2, Noble 2k. You can't lie that SSE has the potential to eventually... Eventually if modders are able to add more to the game to out perform Skyrim 32bit. There is no ENB here, but you can definitely tell the difference from the first shot of vanilla from what it looks like. ENB from Oldrim is better with subsurface scattering and lighting. But this shows the major potential of SSE and how gorgeous it can look with just a few texture mods and lighting tweaks. You add that with stability on top. You'll be swimming in mead! I could probably make it even more beautiful if I added more texture and mesh fix mods, but... I want to play the game and not create a graphical screen shot setup with this character. I've created this specific character and it looks like this with just this simple setup with not tweaking. It actually looks less than the textures should be. I could have added 4k textures, but I choose 1k and 2k and optimized them for stability for what my machine can handle and it still look pretty damn good. That's your own opinion , but technically wise it's not about graphic(s) is about 64bit performance in the end Bruma SE is a great example. \ I never said I loved SE , I love LE AND SE . I only play SE cause I can play on end with no crash and have already converted 85% on my old 300+ mod list lacking SKSE , HDT/BPP sex mods. Thats like saying a low resolution picture looks better than the better quality one. If you like the vanilla look of skyrim then ok, but saying that its better than skyrim with a enb is just plain silly. If we are strictly talking about graphics here and effects and not preference over themes and presets and nostalgia, then its clear that SE out of the box looks nowhere near as good as Oldrim does with a enb. You're comment is like the text book answer to anyone just trying to stir up trouble over misinformation. Wanna make a debate about something skyrim related? Choose a topic that isn't clearly wrong to begin with. I never said anything about graphics LOL. 1. These topic is about SKSE64 for SSE. 2. I said the main reason to get SE was for stability reason. 3. I already said I liked LE AND SE..... I don't CARE ABOUT Graphics. 4. I NEVER SAID YOU WERE WRONG . ENB Mods are great ..... 5. You are going off topic and really need to calm down whoever you may be.
27X Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 It's cool you moving the goal posts and everything, and saying no no no the argument is about performance now I am the emperor of LL internet arguments. Meanwhile back on earth the statement was "SE has better graphics, even with 32 having an ENB or ENB with an additional shader package" which is absolutely unmitigated bullshit. It's not even hyperbole or "contextual exaggeration". It's just absolutely false. 32 will ALWAYS NOW AND FOREVER have better graphics, period unless all of the graphics packages and code that now exist for 32 somehow are magically made to replace 64's code. Replace; not add to, not use with, not also has. Replace. Precompiled fixed function shaders gone, and replaced with modifiable and injectable code. The end, period. "My computer is modern potato and so dx11 which runs faster has better image quality" is not an objective statement "32 crashed all the time and 64 doesn't so the graphics are better" is not an objective statement "I suck abjectly at installing mods and every time I do everything crashes and CTDs and my save is fucked but in 64 cause thanks to 64 bit I can just cram everything in there without paying the slightest bit of attention to anything including my load order, just dl everything and ram it in there" is not an objective comparison of graphic quality. 64 has better memory management, and better frametimes (not framerate) than 32 and godrays, with or without graphic mods. Those are facts. 32 has many more graphic options and those options are better executed on 32, including shadows. Those are also facts.
zzz72w3r Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Using the term "objectively false" to criticize other's view of beauty without any elaboration is itself obtuse arrogance. Technical superiority in itself does not displace artistic aesthetics just as 3D cinema is clearly not "objectively" more beautiful to 2D, and often the contrary. Even within Oldrim there is no such thing that a single combination of ENB/mod setup would be "objectively" more beautiful to all other set up. This thread is supposed to be the safe space, just ignore the agitator whose only objective is to collect Internet-win.
sunhawken Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 It's cool you moving the goal posts and everything, and saying no no no the argument is about performance now I am the emperor of LL internet arguments. Mean back on earth the statement was "SE has better graphics, even with 32 having an ENB or ENb with an additional shader package" which is absolutely unmitigated bullshit. It's not even hyperbole or "contextual exaggeration". It's just absolutely false. 32 will ALWAYS NOW AND FOREVER have better graphics, period unless all of the graphics packages and code that now exist for 32 somehow are magically made to [b[replace[/b] 64. Replace, Not add to, not use with, not also has. Replace. Precompiled shaders gone, and replaced with modifiable and injectable code. The end, period. "My computer is modern potato and so dx11 which runs faster has better image quality" is not an objective statement "32 crashed all the time and 64 doesn't so the graphics are better" is not an objective statement "I suck abjectly at installing mods and every time I do everything crashes and CTDs and my save is fucked but in 64 cause thanks to 64 bit I can just cram everything in there without paying the slightest bit of attention to anything including my load order, just dl everything and ram it in there" is not an objective comparison of graphic quality. 64 has better memory management, and better frametimes (not framerate) than 32 and godrays, with or without graphic mods. Those are facts. 32 has many more graphic options and those options are better executed on 32, incuding shadows. Those are also facts. I never once have I said 34 graphics are better then 64bit ALL I said (typed) was SE for stability reasons and then proceeded to ask for a explanation for other reasons holy shit.
Poet Olette Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 I meant to multiquote my explanation above with those pictures, so it wasn't fully directed at you. But to better explain my other comment below that one "That's your own opinion " Is not the case. Again proven by the pictures.
sunhawken Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 I meant to multiquote my explanation above with those pictures, so it wasn't fully directed at you. But to better explain my other comment below that one "That's your own opinion " Is not the case. Again proven by the pictures. Ah, thank you for the clarification. I meant to multiquote my explanation above with those pictures, so it wasn't fully directed at you. But to better explain my other comment below that one "That's your own opinion " Is not the case. Again proven by the pictures. So, what ENB(s) Do you recommend?
Poet Olette Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Using the term "objectively false" to criticize other's view of beauty without any elaboration is itself obtuse arrogance. Technical superiority in itself does not displace artistic aesthetics just as 3D cinema is clearly not "objectively" more beautiful to 2D, and often the contrary. Even within Oldrim there is no such thing that a single combination of ENB/mod setup would be "objectively" more beautiful to all other set up. This thread is supposed to be the safe space, just ignore the agitator whose only objective is to collect Internet-win. Just a fancy way of saying "Even though your obviously right, we're gonna make you wrong no matter what". So excuse us for correcting a clearly false statement about Graphics between games which really shouldn't have been brought up in the first place but for some reason the real "Agitator whos only objective is to collect internet-win" and who I would consider a troll at this point for even trying, thought it would be a good idea. This is just a trend now a days huh? Oldrim. 64 bit. 2k 4k ect ect ect. People are really just trying to shit on the original skyrim these days, which again, if SE is your thing then awesome, I absolutely love it and I am personally done with "Oldrim" but that being said, it does have its pros. As I said before, speaking technical wise with graphics and effects, SSE is no where near and can be nowhere as good as "Oldrim" with the ENB's available right out of the box. Now can we move along? As you said, this is a safe space after all, and We wouldn't want to fill up this thread with arguments over someones misinformed comment.
sunhawken Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Using the term "objectively false" to criticize other's view of beauty without any elaboration is itself obtuse arrogance. Technical superiority in itself does not displace artistic aesthetics just as 3D cinema is clearly not "objectively" more beautiful to 2D, and often the contrary. Even within Oldrim there is no such thing that a single combination of ENB/mod setup would be "objectively" more beautiful to all other set up. This thread is supposed to be the safe space, just ignore the agitator whose only objective is to collect Internet-win. Just a fancy way of saying "Even though your obviously right, we're gonna make you wrong no matter what". So excuse us for correcting a clearly false statement about Graphics between games which really shouldn't have been brought up in the first place but for some reason the real "Agitator whos only objective is to collect internet-win" and who I would consider a troll at this point for even trying, thought it would be a good idea. This is just a trend now a days huh? Oldrim. 64 bit. 2k 4k ect ect ect. People are really just trying to shit on the original skyrim these days, which again, if SE is your thing then awesome, I absolutely love it and I am personally done with "Oldrim" but that being said, it does have its pros. As I said before, speaking technical wise with graphics and effects, SSE is no where near and can be nowhere as good as "Oldrim" with the ENB's available right out of the box. Now can we move along? As you said, this is a safe space after all, and We wouldn't want to fill up this thread with arguments over someones misinformed comment. What ENB are you using?
Poet Olette Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Using the term "objectively false" to criticize other's view of beauty without any elaboration is itself obtuse arrogance. Technical superiority in itself does not displace artistic aesthetics just as 3D cinema is clearly not "objectively" more beautiful to 2D, and often the contrary. Even within Oldrim there is no such thing that a single combination of ENB/mod setup would be "objectively" more beautiful to all other set up. This thread is supposed to be the safe space, just ignore the agitator whose only objective is to collect Internet-win. Just a fancy way of saying "Even though your obviously right, we're gonna make you wrong no matter what". So excuse us for correcting a clearly false statement about Graphics between games which really shouldn't have been brought up in the first place but for some reason the real "Agitator whos only objective is to collect internet-win" and who I would consider a troll at this point for even trying, thought it would be a good idea. This is just a trend now a days huh? Oldrim. 64 bit. 2k 4k ect ect ect. People are really just trying to shit on the original skyrim these days, which again, if SE is your thing then awesome, I absolutely love it and I am personally done with "Oldrim" but that being said, it does have its pros. As I said before, speaking technical wise with graphics and effects, SSE is no where near and can be nowhere as good as "Oldrim" with the ENB's available right out of the box. Now can we move along? As you said, this is a safe space after all, and We wouldn't want to fill up this thread with arguments over someones misinformed comment. What ENB are you using? In SSE or Oldrim? SSE im using a heavily edited Re Engaged Dolomite ENB with my own reshade preset. In oldrim, well I mean, I would change it up every so often as there are tons and the ENBs available for Oldrim have more effects than the ENB's in SSE(which is a fact, please dont kill me) so you can get some really REALLY detailed ENB's. But if I had to recommend a few, Snap dragon, Yorn, Tru Enb. Some to look up on youtube or something that haven't been released, kakasi ENB and RGR Enb, which unfortunately got stopped half way in development due to loss of files and was restarted but looks nowhere near as good as it used to. Kakasi ENB is probably the best you could make skyrim look technical wise(Again, we're not talking about preference of theme or presets).
Guest Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 These Guys are protecting skyrim64 as it were their childrens
Guest Katherlne Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Wow i can't believe, some people protecting SSE on LL ! Yeah, maybe on steam or some console forums... But in of paradise of adult modding?! It's like to stand in middle of adult shop and argue with costumers... Guys, this shop (Oldrim) is suck! Yeah he been awesome in old times, but look! In another side of street has been open a new Vegetables shop (SSE)! Look how awesome he look, interior design, cheep price and always fresh product! Yeah, sometimes i miss to buying a new dildos for my lovely holes and some new porno movies... But this vegetables shop is so cool! It's just matter of time, when you leave this shop and come for fresh tomato's! Yes i understand every has personal tastes, but say about how you love to play a game without a adult mods on LL?! Is this madness...
zzz72w3r Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Using the term "objectively false" to criticize other's view of beauty without any elaboration is itself obtuse arrogance. Technical superiority in itself does not displace artistic aesthetics just as 3D cinema is clearly not "objectively" more beautiful to 2D, and often the contrary. Even within Oldrim there is no such thing that a single combination of ENB/mod setup would be "objectively" more beautiful to all other set up. This thread is supposed to be the safe space, just ignore the agitator whose only objective is to collect Internet-win. Just a fancy way of saying "Even though your obviously right, we're gonna make you wrong no matter what". So excuse us for correcting a clearly false statement about Graphics between games which really shouldn't have been brought up in the first place but for some reason the real "Agitator whos only objective is to collect internet-win" and who I would consider a troll at this point for even trying, thought it would be a good idea. This is just a trend now a days huh? Oldrim. 64 bit. 2k 4k ect ect ect. People are really just trying to shit on the original skyrim these days, which again, if SE is your thing then awesome, I absolutely love it and I am personally done with "Oldrim" but that being said, it does have its pros. As I said before, speaking technical wise with graphics and effects, SSE is no where near and can be nowhere as good as "Oldrim" with the ENB's available right out of the box. Now can we move along? As you said, this is a safe space after all, and We wouldn't want to fill up this thread with arguments over someones misinformed comment. Please read the title of this thread and had you been around longer than Oct'16 then you would know why people on LL felt the need to have this thread in place. Also if you read my post carefully before reflexively hitting your keyboard then you also can see that reference of agitator (singular) clearly wasn't pointing at you.
Dragonjoe69 Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 So....uh is the is the witch game is better pissing match over? Anything new about SKSE64?
leyre Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 So....uh is the is the witch game is better pissing match over? Anything new about SKSE64? Yeah, it wont happen, ever, so dont ask again
Poet Olette Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Using the term "objectively false" to criticize other's view of beauty without any elaboration is itself obtuse arrogance. Technical superiority in itself does not displace artistic aesthetics just as 3D cinema is clearly not "objectively" more beautiful to 2D, and often the contrary. Even within Oldrim there is no such thing that a single combination of ENB/mod setup would be "objectively" more beautiful to all other set up. This thread is supposed to be the safe space, just ignore the agitator whose only objective is to collect Internet-win. Just a fancy way of saying "Even though your obviously right, we're gonna make you wrong no matter what". So excuse us for correcting a clearly false statement about Graphics between games which really shouldn't have been brought up in the first place but for some reason the real "Agitator whos only objective is to collect internet-win" and who I would consider a troll at this point for even trying, thought it would be a good idea. This is just a trend now a days huh? Oldrim. 64 bit. 2k 4k ect ect ect. People are really just trying to shit on the original skyrim these days, which again, if SE is your thing then awesome, I absolutely love it and I am personally done with "Oldrim" but that being said, it does have its pros. As I said before, speaking technical wise with graphics and effects, SSE is no where near and can be nowhere as good as "Oldrim" with the ENB's available right out of the box. Now can we move along? As you said, this is a safe space after all, and We wouldn't want to fill up this thread with arguments over someones misinformed comment. Please read the title of this thread and had you been around longer than Oct'16 then you would know why people on LL felt the need to have this thread in place. Also if you read my post carefully before reflexively hitting your keyboard then you also can see that reference of agitator (singular) clearly wasn't pointing at you. I didn't say anything about the need for this thread. I was talking about the need to try and make a debate of graphics between games, from someone up above. And I know that the "agitator" comment was not directed at me, but I still disagreed with it. But oh well, its time to agree to disagree and get this thread back on track.
zzz72w3r Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Using the term "objectively false" to criticize other's view of beauty without any elaboration is itself obtuse arrogance. Technical superiority in itself does not displace artistic aesthetics just as 3D cinema is clearly not "objectively" more beautiful to 2D, and often the contrary. Even within Oldrim there is no such thing that a single combination of ENB/mod setup would be "objectively" more beautiful to all other set up. This thread is supposed to be the safe space, just ignore the agitator whose only objective is to collect Internet-win. Just a fancy way of saying "Even though your obviously right, we're gonna make you wrong no matter what". So excuse us for correcting a clearly false statement about Graphics between games which really shouldn't have been brought up in the first place but for some reason the real "Agitator whos only objective is to collect internet-win" and who I would consider a troll at this point for even trying, thought it would be a good idea. This is just a trend now a days huh? Oldrim. 64 bit. 2k 4k ect ect ect. People are really just trying to shit on the original skyrim these days, which again, if SE is your thing then awesome, I absolutely love it and I am personally done with "Oldrim" but that being said, it does have its pros. As I said before, speaking technical wise with graphics and effects, SSE is no where near and can be nowhere as good as "Oldrim" with the ENB's available right out of the box. Now can we move along? As you said, this is a safe space after all, and We wouldn't want to fill up this thread with arguments over someones misinformed comment. Please read the title of this thread and had you been around longer than Oct'16 then you would know why people on LL felt the need to have this thread in place. Also if you read my post carefully before reflexively hitting your keyboard then you also can see that reference of agitator (singular) clearly wasn't pointing at you. I didn't say anything about the need for this thread. I was talking about the need to try and make a debate of graphics between games, from someone up above. And I know that the "agitator" comment was not directed at me, but I still disagreed with it. This thread is to inform people who care about SSE and SKSE64, the title specifically worded to avoid something akin to the 2012-2015 CBBE/UNP Skyrim body war where every technical discussion got derailed by people insulting others' view of beauty.
sunhawken Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 There is no new information , the group that was making SKSE64 ran into team issues and don't want to be paid to make it even when it was offered. Everyone of the internet that plays LE/SSE is asking nothing new. http://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/1458455461480462434/ Using the term "objectively false" to criticize other's view of beauty without any elaboration is itself obtuse arrogance. Technical superiority in itself does not displace artistic aesthetics just as 3D cinema is clearly not "objectively" more beautiful to 2D, and often the contrary. Even within Oldrim there is no such thing that a single combination of ENB/mod setup would be "objectively" more beautiful to all other set up. This thread is supposed to be the safe space, just ignore the agitator whose only objective is to collect Internet-win. Just a fancy way of saying "Even though your obviously right, we're gonna make you wrong no matter what". So excuse us for correcting a clearly false statement about Graphics between games which really shouldn't have been brought up in the first place but for some reason the real "Agitator whos only objective is to collect internet-win" and who I would consider a troll at this point for even trying, thought it would be a good idea. This is just a trend now a days huh? Oldrim. 64 bit. 2k 4k ect ect ect. People are really just trying to shit on the original skyrim these days, which again, if SE is your thing then awesome, I absolutely love it and I am personally done with "Oldrim" but that being said, it does have its pros. As I said before, speaking technical wise with graphics and effects, SSE is no where near and can be nowhere as good as "Oldrim" with the ENB's available right out of the box. Now can we move along? As you said, this is a safe space after all, and We wouldn't want to fill up this thread with arguments over someones misinformed comment. Please read the title of this thread and had you been around longer than Oct'16 then you would know why people on LL felt the need to have this thread in place. Also if you read my post carefully before reflexively hitting your keyboard then you also can see that reference of agitator (singular) clearly wasn't pointing at you. I didn't say anything about the need for this thread. I was talking about the need to try and make a debate of graphics between games, from someone up above. And I know that the "agitator" comment was not directed at me, but I still disagreed with it. This thread is to inform people who care about SSE and SKSE64, the title specifically worded to avoid something akin to the 2012-2015 CBBE/UNP Skyrim body war where every technical discussion got derailed by people insulting others' view of beauty.
Poet Olette Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Using the term "objectively false" to criticize other's view of beauty without any elaboration is itself obtuse arrogance. Technical superiority in itself does not displace artistic aesthetics just as 3D cinema is clearly not "objectively" more beautiful to 2D, and often the contrary. Even within Oldrim there is no such thing that a single combination of ENB/mod setup would be "objectively" more beautiful to all other set up. This thread is supposed to be the safe space, just ignore the agitator whose only objective is to collect Internet-win. Just a fancy way of saying "Even though your obviously right, we're gonna make you wrong no matter what". So excuse us for correcting a clearly false statement about Graphics between games which really shouldn't have been brought up in the first place but for some reason the real "Agitator whos only objective is to collect internet-win" and who I would consider a troll at this point for even trying, thought it would be a good idea. This is just a trend now a days huh? Oldrim. 64 bit. 2k 4k ect ect ect. People are really just trying to shit on the original skyrim these days, which again, if SE is your thing then awesome, I absolutely love it and I am personally done with "Oldrim" but that being said, it does have its pros. As I said before, speaking technical wise with graphics and effects, SSE is no where near and can be nowhere as good as "Oldrim" with the ENB's available right out of the box. Now can we move along? As you said, this is a safe space after all, and We wouldn't want to fill up this thread with arguments over someones misinformed comment. Please read the title of this thread and had you been around longer than Oct'16 then you would know why people on LL felt the need to have this thread in place. Also if you read my post carefully before reflexively hitting your keyboard then you also can see that reference of agitator (singular) clearly wasn't pointing at you. I didn't say anything about the need for this thread. I was talking about the need to try and make a debate of graphics between games, from someone up above. And I know that the "agitator" comment was not directed at me, but I still disagreed with it. This thread is to inform people who care about SSE and SKSE64, the title specifically worded to avoid something akin to the 2012-2015 CBBE/UNP Skyrim body war where every technical discussion got derailed by people insulting others' view of beauty. You are preaching to the choir. Again, I said nothing about the need for this thread. I obviously know why its here. So I don't really understand what your just to get at.
pipdude Posted July 22, 2017 Author Posted July 22, 2017 No argument but ill do it for him anyways! I liked the gritty quality of the vanilla Skyrim better than your other screenshots... Those look cartoonish to me. That said, there are some missing enb features on SE. But, it does have many of those features and the missing ones could be added. These Guys are protecting skyrim64 as it were their childrens Interesting. It looks like the opposite to me. The prospect of re-doing a Skyrim build in SE seems to be like breaking up with a girlfriend for some people. Yes i understand every has personal tastes, but say about how you love to play a game without a adult mods on LL?! Is this madness... There is no reason why oldrim has to be synonymous with adult mods. The reason people are enthusiastic about SE is that it has more potential than oldrim, including with adult mods, enb, hdt, etc. All of that is possible on SE along with a more stable, fast game. I'm not sure why anyone would be down on that.
Poet Olette Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 No argument but ill do it for him anyways! I liked the gritty quality of the vanilla Skyrim better than your other screenshots... Those look cartoonish to me. That said, there are some missing enb features on SE. But, it does have many of those features and the missing ones could be added. These Guys are protecting skyrim64 as it were their childrens Interesting. It looks like the opposite to me. The prospect of re-doing a Skyrim build in SE seems to be like breaking up with a girlfriend for some people. Yes i understand every has personal tastes, but say about how you love to play a game without a adult mods on LL?! Is this madness... There is no reason why oldrim has to be synonymous with adult mods. The reason people are enthusiastic about SE is that it has more potential than oldrim, including with adult mods, enb, hdt, etc. All of that is possible on SE along with a more stable, fast game. I'm not sure why anyone would be down on that. Doesn't really matter if you think it looks cartoony or not, that wasn't the point. The effects being used are more advanced than what SE is using out of the box. Pick your detailed ENB of choice, the point stands. SE is not better than oldrim with a enb out of the box.
DykkenTomb Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 I'm not going to take any side. I'm just saying we haven't even seen what Skyrim SE is even capable of, because it's literally only been out for about 10 months if I'm correct. Skyrim 32bit didn't get really google until it's second year. Hell, mods like Frost fall were heavy on machines until modders like chesko learned to optimized and get better at creating the mods so they were so performance heavy. Now frostfall barely touches the system. Same with Ineed and a few others. Like Pipedude said, "We're excited to see what SE can really do," whether it's LL's adult mods or regular mods.The potential of SE could be limitless. And the features we have on Skyrim 32bit's ENB might end up being overtake at some point by SE's potential when more features are added like subsurface scattering and we might be able to get ENB's Snowfall brought over. It would be amazing to play Skyrim 64bit with a snowlight system with an ENB like that if the features are able to be added. My hope is... A live seasons of Skyrim mod might eventually be a reality. If people don't know it's a mod Bethesda had created their first week after the release of Skyrim 32bit as a showcase to let their developers go wild. The problem with the mod is it was such a beast on even the most powerful machine they couldn't release it. My guess is we might be able to get a mod very much like that with Skyrim SE as the engine might be able to handle it. Could you imagine. You're playing the game and trees change color and wilt. Grass turns brown and later turns back to green Snow covers the land and stays put, but later through some scripts the land returns a more green skyrim. I mean the possibilities are there and with the 64bit engine it could be a reality. Yes, we're day dreaming, but the potential to even get close to something like this could be a possibility. And as for LL mods. HDT might actually run way smoother on SE due to the engines stability. Could you imagine HDT physics not going spazziod when the engine gets heavy. Instead it just works!.... That would be amazing and not having to worry about purple textures due to memory leaks. SSE does have issues and textures get funky, but I haven't come across 1 purple texture the wasn't a problem a modder created. This is the potential of what this new game could do and if.. and when SKSE64 comes out. We might see an amazing explosion of old and new talent enter the modding scene. But for now... We've got to wait.
junkacc Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 Bethesda could easily release SKSE64 themselves that guarantees backwards compatibility with every oldrim mod and charge $50 for it. I bet all of you would buy it. Same for ENB. That'll be another $50. lol
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