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TidalMello

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TidalMello

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Recently there were quite a few high quality retextures that were removed from the nexus due to some random dumb rule they have, as even if the mod description states that it's for historical purposes they still consider it hate speech. 

Regardless my question is, will mods that contain images of things like USSR and Nazi symbols be removed?

Just for people who, for example, like to roleplay that their character is trying to restore these flags and symbols as symbols of good or whatever.

 

Thanks for replying.

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myuhinny

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Doing a bit of searching if the person that was uploading the stuff was named Dindu the stuff was removed and they were banned.

 
Copied from their page.
 
Reason for the ban
Racist name that is a pejorative term for black people, linked with an avatar of a black man and uploading purely nazi or WW2 Germany themed mods for Fallout 4 from an account only made yesterday.
 
Either a troll account or a white supremacist (or someone of similar ilk). Either way, we have no wish to facilitate something so pathetic.
 
Account banned, files removed. 
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RustyXXL

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There are certain symbols that are simply illegal in certain regions of the world. A lot of the nazi symbolism is illegal in certain contexts here in germany. A site hosting mods with that symbolism puts itself in a legally difficult position.

Apart from that, I personally do agree, that such symbolism is totally unneeded in a computer games context, even for games that play in WW2. If you feel otherwise, I'm sure you can find other places to host or download these things.

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Kendo 2

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There's no fixing stupidity or hypocrisy when it starts at the top.  It is a sad testimony on modern 'I must feel safe in my ignorance' society if something as basic as a historical symbol makes people today whine and exercise their fake moral outrage.  At Nexus there are members there who have (or had when I was a member there) the Marxist Black Panther's fist symbol as their avatar and the Russian Soviet era sickle and hammer.  THOSE are okay and people don't bitch about them.  I guess the Black Panthers aren't a racist and antisemitic hate group and the sickle and hammer doesn't represent ethnic cleansing and concentration camps.  Stalin is the one who came up that idea btw, not Hitler.

 

IF I wanted to make a mod where the player gets to kill Nazis, ANC Marxists, USSR goons, Franco's Civil Guard, Pol Pot's Khemer Rouge, or any other historical group of mass-murdering assholes then I would make it; uniforms and all.  If people are TOO STUPID to see that it isn't a glorification of those groups but an artistic expression then they can go fuck themselves, or maybe join Feminist Frequency.

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RustyXXL

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There's no fixing stupidity or hypocrisy when it starts at the top.  It is a sad testimony on modern 'I must feel safe in my ignorance' society if something as basic as a historical symbol makes people today whine and exercise their fake moral outrage.  At Nexus there are members there who have (or had when I was a member there) the Marxist Black Panther's fist symbol as their avatar and the Russian Soviet era sickle and hammer.  THOSE are okay and people don't bitch about them.  I guess the Black Panthers aren't a racist and antisemitic hate group and the sickle and hammer doesn't represent ethnic cleansing and concentration camps.  Stalin is the one who came up that idea btw, not Hitler.

 

IF I wanted to make a mod where the player gets to kill Nazis, ANC Marxists, USSR goons, Franco's Civil Guard, Pol Pot's Khemer Rouge, or any other historical group of mass-murdering assholes then I would make it; uniforms and all.  If people are TOO STUPID to see that it isn't a glorification of those groups but an artistic expression then they can go fuck themselves, or maybe join Feminist Frequency.

Wether I like it or not, these laws are here, and quite honestly, those laws against nazi symbolism predate computers by a bit, and thus can hardly be called modern. In fact there are voices that call them outdated.

Still, if I want to make a mod, game or whatever I don't need the exact symbolism to make clear, that I'm fighting nazi or whatever, all that can be replaced with less controverse symbols, without it being less clear of what you are fighting.

On the contrary, there always been individuals that glorified even games where the player fought nazis, just because the symbolism was in there, and for that reason there were quite a few ww2 games that couldn't be sold openly here in germany.

And sorry, I don't think that the nexus or ll really needs that kind of attention, especially given the fact, that Skyrim was in fact brought into context with Child Pornography a couple of years back, because of half-informed mass media (and because technically it could be made possible).

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sawdustcanon

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why do people get all pissy with this shit? i know this happend a longtime ago but still why would this stuff effect people today?

Consider that for most intents and purposes, WW2 is recent history. There are still millions alive, who were personally affected by the horrors of that time. Then there are their relatives, who are affected by association. It's still "too soon".

 

The fact that some countries see a need to legally regulate such symbols also shows that dickwads who want to use these symbols in glorification of those specific ideas exist.

 

Nexus's bigotry regarding USSR symbolism is, of course, purely on their conscience. Being winners of the war, plus committing most of their atrocities on territory that was out of sight of western powers (or at least the public), they came through that with much less fuss, sadly.

 

 

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Kaz Aanh

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" You either support freedom of expression, or you don't "

 

 

 

Nexus's bigotry regarding USSR symbolism is, of course, purely on their conscience. Being winners of the war, plus committing most of their atrocities on territory that was out of sight of western powers (or at least the public), they came through that with much less fuss, sadly.

 

 

Hey history is written by the victors. I know what USSR did and they were far worse than WW2 Germany, but somehow they are "honorable, victorious and saviours".

 

You will never know what really has happened in the past time.

 

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Halstrom

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The problem with not banning it is there are dickwads who will fly those flags from their houses, cover their Prius with the symbols, use them as avatars, signature's etc more for the pure trolling effect than anything to do with what really happened :P

 

Personally my preference is to see as little of that shit waved around as possible, including Allied symbols too unless they are on actually relevant tanks / planes / whatever.

 

I'm glad there are a few things like this that a majority of internet users don't want to see paraded everywhere, because it will happen, a small percentage of trolls will be responsible for 90% of those symbols usage :P

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TidalMello

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I like the discussion here, I'm considering making a mod with the plot I mentioned as a quest.

Kind of like an alternate main story where some guy wear symbols saves you as a kid or something like that, and the whole quest brings the idea of the swastika being used as a positive symbol again like with the Buddhists, Hindus. You'd make a new faction that has a positive role and slap a recolored blue swastika or something. I just like the idea of taking something evil from what is essentially ancient history and making it positive since I doubt anyone in the wasteland besides a ghoul or two would even know what a Nazi even is.

 

I would be down to make an alternate version without the swastikas but since that would neuter the thought provoking stuff it would be optional.

My main issue is finding somewhere to host it where it would still get seen since the two main places people look for Bethesda mods are here on LL and the Nexus. Skyrim had other places like modtype and dragonporn but so far FO4 is less free in the selection department.

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TDA

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" You either support freedom of expression, or you don't "

 

 

 

Nexus's bigotry regarding USSR symbolism is, of course, purely on their conscience. Being winners of the war, plus committing most of their atrocities on territory that was out of sight of western powers (or at least the public), they came through that with much less fuss, sadly.

 

 

Hey history is written by the victors. I know what USSR did and they were far worse than WW2 Germany, but somehow they are "honorable, victorious and saviours".

 

You will never know what really has happened in the past time.

What a nonsense? How do you know. Fascism in general  originated in EU, not in the USSR.

 

If not the Soviet Union, someone would be soap and ashes.

Compare these regimes just illiterate.

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RustyXXL

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I like the discussion here, I'm considering making a mod with the plot I mentioned as a quest.

Kind of like an alternate main story where some guy wear symbols saves you as a kid or something like that, and the whole quest brings the idea of the swastika being used as a positive symbol again like with the Buddhists, Hindus. You'd make a new faction that has a positive role and slap a recolored blue swastika or something. I just like the idea of taking something evil from what is essentially ancient history and making it positive since I doubt anyone in the wasteland besides a ghoul or two would even know what a Nazi even is.

 

I would be down to make an alternate version without the swastikas but since that would neuter the thought provoking stuff it would be optional.

My main issue is finding somewhere to host it where it would still get seen since the two main places people look for Bethesda mods are here on LL and the Nexus. Skyrim had other places like modtype and dragonporn but so far FO4 is less free in the selection department.

I trust that you have good intentions, and I kinda can understand your Idea, and the philosophy behind that.

I have to say though, even as a person who isn't directly affected by the nazi, ww2 thematic in any way (other than generally being a german) I do dislike the Idea of giving the Nazi Symbolism any kind of positive conotation.

Not only does it have the risk of some blind nazi glorifying your mod as something it might not be intended as and drawing unneeded attention to it (as a matter of fact something similar happened with the original Return to castle Wolfenstein back in the days),

it at least can be seen as playing down the symbolism of an, in my eyes, very harmful idiology.

Again I don't mean to hate or something, if you want to persue your mod, by all means, do so. I'm just trying to give you my thoughts on that topic, and I think this is a topic you have to be very careful about.

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