pepertje Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 --Due to a poor choice of words and sending the wrong message, this original post was edited on Jun. 10th, 18:30 GMT--Alright, ever since I started modding, I've been spending an increasing amount of time learning the how's of GECK and also a little bit of Skyrim CK. The only problem: I still need to work from time to time. I would love to spend as much time as possible on modding, and I basically am. But because I have hit a rough patch, I can't spend nearly as much time on it as I would like to. Because of this, I have opened donations to anyone who is willing to support me. And don't worry, people who help me will receive something in return Anyway, this thread is just to keep track of what I'm currently receiving, and how much I need (approximately) to fullfill my main goal. Also, you can leave your thoughts on it here as well.Support me on Patreon to help me get closer/be able to spend more time learning how to make good mods.ORDonate a one-time amount directly on PayPal: emiel.peper@hotmail.nlORIf you feel like you're throwing money into a bottomless pit by donating, I also take commissions. Prices for those vary and I'll need to have time in my schedule, but feel free to PM me with any commissions and we'll work something out. (Consider this the $10,-/month reward among single donations.)Current commissions:(Large) FBC Episode 5 Current Patron Only mods: Funds needed: €220,-Current total funds: €200,-Current Patreon income: $40,-/month
pepertje Posted June 8, 2015 Author Posted June 8, 2015 http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/65034/ Only difference is: I actually have a reason XD I'm not exactly proud to have to resort to this, but it's the only way I could possibly save up enough. If I could get it all out of a daytime job, I would have.
Loogie Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/65034/ Yeah, it's not like people who spend hours upon hours providing entertainment for others should have the gall to ask for something in return, right?
pepertje Posted June 10, 2015 Author Posted June 10, 2015 http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/65034/ Yeah, it's not like people who spend hours upon hours providing entertainment for others should have the gall to ask for something in return, right? Exactly. I mean, all the prepro, scripting, dialogue typing, testing, supporting in the meantime and constantly updating it takes up something like 4-6 hours a day, outside of normal work/school. So nooblet123, I hope you were being sarcastic, otherwise you need to try making something yourself to see how much time and effort goes into making a mod, especially if you're trying to develop more complex content that works for everyone.
swmas Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/65034/ Yeah, it's not like people who spend hours upon hours providing entertainment for others should have the gall to ask for something in return, right? Exactly. I mean, all the prepro, scripting, dialogue typing, testing, supporting in the meantime and constantly updating it takes up something like 4-6 hours a day, outside of normal work/school. So nooblet123, I hope you were being sarcastic, otherwise you need to try making something yourself to see how much time and effort goes into making a mod, especially if you're trying to develop more complex content that works for everyone. I guess it takes a lot of work and time, But aren't you modding for fun? A lot of hobbies require you spend a lot of your money and time to do. I can understand people would want to help the modder out but the modders shouldn't consider themselves entitled to compensation for their mods. Unless they are modding specifically on commission, doing the exact mod they are being asked to do.
pepertje Posted June 10, 2015 Author Posted June 10, 2015 I guess it takes a lot of work and time, But aren't you modding for fun? A lot of hobbies require you spend a lot of your money and time to do. I can understand people would want to help the modder out but the modders shouldn't consider themselves entitled to compensation for their mods. Unless they are modding specifically on commission, doing the exact mod they are being asked to do. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy modding, and I never started doing it because I wanted to make money off it. It's just that I've hit a rough patch lately and figured maybe some people here were willing to help me out. But I never felt entitled to anything (I mean, I only started a couple of months ago and I'm still learning how to handle GECK, the stuff I make isn't anywhere close to the top-grade quality professional game developers can make), and I'm not going to be a brat and stop releasing on LL simply because people don't pledge to me on Patreon. And yeah, it can be expensive, especially if you need a decent PC to continue into the next generation of Bethesda games. I don't have that sort of money to spend, (which is the very reason I opened my Patreon account,) and with my current job I never will.
Loogie Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 I guess it takes a lot of work and time, But aren't you modding for fun? A lot of hobbies require you spend a lot of your money and time to do. I can understand people would want to help the modder out but the modders shouldn't consider themselves entitled to compensation for their mods. Unless they are modding specifically on commission, doing the exact mod they are being asked to do. Where did I mention entitlement? You're arguing something no one brought up. To attack someone because they're asking for donations in return for giving you their time and expertise isn't appropriate.
swmas Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 I guess it takes a lot of work and time, But aren't you modding for fun? A lot of hobbies require you spend a lot of your money and time to do. I can understand people would want to help the modder out but the modders shouldn't consider themselves entitled to compensation for their mods. Unless they are modding specifically on commission, doing the exact mod they are being asked to do. Where did I mention entitlement? You're arguing something no one brought up. To attack someone because they're asking for donations in return for giving you their time and expertise isn't appropriate. When did I talked to you? I didn't attack anybody and you don't get to decide what is appropriate and what isn't.
pepertje Posted June 10, 2015 Author Posted June 10, 2015 To cut the current argument short: -Modders put lots of time and effort into the content they offer, so obviously it isn't a crime to ask for a small donation in return. -This doesn't mean they should feel "entitled", but asking for donations is not entitlement. -Modding is all fun and game, but it's a time consuming hobby and upgrading your system is extremely expensive. Some people don't have that kind of money. And P.S., if you take a look at my Patreon page as well as Loogie's page, you can clearly see that pledging isn't just tossing money into a bottomless pit, you do get something in return on top of the regular content. Consider that reverse commissioning. And nobody is needlessly attacking anybody, and even if so, let's keep this as civil as humanly possible.
Loogie Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 When did I talked to you? I didn't attack anybody and you don't get to decide what is appropriate and what isn't. You quoted a post I was attached to, so it showed up that you quoted a post I made. I need as much permission to reply to your comment as you needed to quote one of my comments. Do you not know how public forums work?
swmas Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 To cut the current argument short: -Modders put lots of time and effort into the content they offer, so obviously it isn't a crime to ask for a small donation in return. -This doesn't mean they should feel "entitled", but asking for donations is not entitlement. -Modding is all fun and game, but it's a time consuming hobby and upgrading your system is extremely expensive. Some people don't have that kind of money. And P.S., if you take a look at my Patreon page as well as Loogie's page, you can clearly see that pledging isn't just tossing money into a bottomless pit, you do get something in return on top of the regular content. Consider that reverse commissioning. And nobody is needlessly attacking anybody, and even if so, let's keep this as civil as humanly possible. I apologize my post which was philosophical in nature started an argument. I am never interested in arguing on message boards, I have other ways to waste my time.
pepertje Posted June 10, 2015 Author Posted June 10, 2015 To cut the current argument short: -Modders put lots of time and effort into the content they offer, so obviously it isn't a crime to ask for a small donation in return. -This doesn't mean they should feel "entitled", but asking for donations is not entitlement. -Modding is all fun and game, but it's a time consuming hobby and upgrading your system is extremely expensive. Some people don't have that kind of money. And P.S., if you take a look at my Patreon page as well as Loogie's page, you can clearly see that pledging isn't just tossing money into a bottomless pit, you do get something in return on top of the regular content. Consider that reverse commissioning. And nobody is needlessly attacking anybody, and even if so, let's keep this as civil as humanly possible. I apologize my post which was philosophical in nature started an argument. I am never interested in arguing on message boards, I have other ways to waste my time. No need to apologize, this thread is open to opinions. It's just that terminology can lead to misinterpretation. Also: never be sarcastic on the internet, people tend to miss out on that.
funnymotion Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/65034/ Yeah, it's not like people who spend hours upon hours providing entertainment for others should have the gall to ask for something in return, right? Exactly. I mean, all the prepro, scripting, dialogue typing, testing, supporting in the meantime and constantly updating it takes up something like 4-6 hours a day, outside of normal work/school. So nooblet123, I hope you were being sarcastic, otherwise you need to try making something yourself to see how much time and effort goes into making a mod, especially if you're trying to develop more complex content that works for everyone. Lulz, how do we know you will actually go and mod after raising funds for this PC if I do in fact donate to you? It's one thing to donate/pay for Mod Authors to make/improve their Mods. It's a different thing to support a guy who says he needs a new PC so he CAN mod. Furthermore, while it would benefit you to have a new PC for Fallout 4 it's still not something I know that even veteran modders have or need. There are a couple of people I know on the Beyond Skyrim project who are modding with Laptops that get 30 fps at 720p. I ain't saying you shouldn't be doing this. I'm just saying that you should be aware of what you are asking of people who are going to see this and be like: WTF? EDIT: I'll say this. If you did have a mod up on the Nexus which had the donate button attached to it and it was a mod that I felt was worth donating to, I'd donate to ya.
Loogie Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Lulz, how do we know you will actually go and mod after raising funds for this PC if I do in fact donate to you? It's one thing to donate/pay for Mod Authors to make/improve their Mods. It's a different thing to support a guy who says he needs a new PC so he CAN mod. Furthermore, while it would benefit you to have a new PC for Fallout 4 it's still not something I know that even veteran modders have or need. There are a couple of people I know on the Beyond Skyrim project who are modding with Laptops that get 30 fps at 720p. I ain't saying you shouldn't be doing this. I'm just saying that you should be aware of what you are asking of people who are going to see this and be like: WTF? EDIT: I'll say this. If you did have a mod up on the Nexus which had the donate button attached to it and it was a mod that I felt was worth donating to, I'd donate to ya. If you click on his profile and checked out his files, you'd see he's currently working on three interconnected mods. I've seen a lot of new modders give up after a little bit, but I don't think this guy is going anywhere.
pepertje Posted June 10, 2015 Author Posted June 10, 2015 http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/65034/ Yeah, it's not like people who spend hours upon hours providing entertainment for others should have the gall to ask for something in return, right? Exactly. I mean, all the prepro, scripting, dialogue typing, testing, supporting in the meantime and constantly updating it takes up something like 4-6 hours a day, outside of normal work/school. So nooblet123, I hope you were being sarcastic, otherwise you need to try making something yourself to see how much time and effort goes into making a mod, especially if you're trying to develop more complex content that works for everyone. Lulz, how do we know you will actually go and mod after raising funds for this PC if I do in fact donate to you? It's one thing to donate/pay for Mod Authors to make/improve their Mods. It's a different thing to support a guy who says he needs a new PC so he CAN mod. Furthermore, while it would benefit you to have a new PC for Fallout 4 it's still not something I know that even veteran modders have or need. There are a couple of people I know on the Beyond Skyrim project who are modding with Laptops that get 30 fps at 720p. I ain't saying you shouldn't be doing this. I'm just saying that you should be aware of what you are asking of people who are going to see this and be like: WTF? EDIT: I'll say this. If you did have a mod up on the Nexus which had the donate button attached to it and it was a mod that I felt was worth donating to, I'd donate to ya. The fact that I've been actively modding (that is content creation, quick support and creating bugfixes) should be reason enough to assume I'm going to continue modding. And I like to be straightforward: my pc is nearing the end of it's prolonged expected life and I can't afford a new one. If it breaks, I can't do anything, especially since I constantly test newly added content.
nooblet123 Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/65034/ Yeah, it's not like people who spend hours upon hours providing entertainment for others should have the gall to ask for something in return, right? Exactly. I mean, all the prepro, scripting, dialogue typing, testing, supporting in the meantime and constantly updating it takes up something like 4-6 hours a day, outside of normal work/school. So nooblet123, I hope you were being sarcastic, otherwise you need to try making something yourself to see how much time and effort goes into making a mod, especially if you're trying to develop more complex content that works for everyone. http://www.loverslab.com/topic/6603-vore-amputees-and-scarred-bodies/page-6?do=findComment&comment=891366 http://www.loverslab.com/topic/44572-branding-device-of-doom/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/19890-vigilant-of-stendarr/ 3 mods and I'm not turning into a beggar, what's wrong with me? I have no problem with people placing a donation button, but you made a request for donations akin to panhandling. Also I was disgusted by everyone who put up paid mods in steam workshop.
Guest Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 its a delicate theme. as somebody how deletet mods from his skyrim loadorder as an act of saying iam against payed mods i will not support any kind of it, iam against this extratreads too. first thing i thought after seeing that thread was: nice loogie opend the box of pandora. but having a patron account is something diffrent than payed mods. i dont think loogie or anybody else shout not be allowed to open a patron. its there choice and if people out there want to support him or somebody else how am i to say no to them? but cant you guys make it a bit more decent. like just a line on the bottem of your mods?
pepertje Posted June 10, 2015 Author Posted June 10, 2015 I also hated the paywalls the Steam Workshop put up, and me mentioning the donations so often is so people know where to go and that I am, in fact, open for donations. I personally don't read signatures often, so I assume most people don't. And the reason I started this thread was to keep track of what has been donated so far, and I figured a discussion could flow from it. (I'm getting the feeling I'm going to be using this particular phrase more often than ever before, but:...) Don't get me wrong, I don't like having to beg for donations, and it certainly isn't my intention to penhandle, but the fact is that I'm trying to prevent this by offering rewards in return for donations (some small, others big), and I keep the main content completely free. I can see how some people might think I've degraded myself to a petty beggar and that there are others out there who do the same who are "not turning into a beggar", but those people are missing out on context, in my honest-to-God opinion.
ChancellorKremlin Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Don't like it, don't become a patron, it's as simple as that. If you want to whine about it go create a thread in the general gaming forum. I don't see why people who would be comfortable paying for content should miss out on it because some people get offended by the idea of being paid for one's work. Also, not that this is the same as begging, but even if it were - I might choose not to give money to a beggar, but that doesn't mean the beggar doesn't have a right to beg in the first place. And here, it's as simple as - you pay, you get something in return. Don't like it? Go away. Good luck with the Patron pepertje! Hope it works out.
pepertje Posted June 10, 2015 Author Posted June 10, 2015 Don't like it, don't become a patron, it's as simple as that. If you want to whine about it go create a thread in the general gaming forum. I don't see why people who would be comfortable paying for content should miss out on it because some people get offended by the idea of being paid for one's work. Also, not that this is the same as begging, but even if it were - I might choose not to give money to a beggar, but that doesn't mean the beggar doesn't have a right to beg in the first place. And here, it's as simple as - you pay, you get something in return. Don't like it? Go away. Good luck with the Patron pepertje! Hope it works out. So far I have managed to amass the awesome income of $0,-/month XD But yeah, that pretty much sums up how I feel about it. And I can't stress this enough: it's not a freakin' paywall! The moment I do that is the moment my current self would shoot me in the face.
RitualClarity Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Lulz, how do we know you will actually go and mod after raising funds for this PC if I do in fact donate to you? It's one thing to donate/pay for Mod Authors to make/improve their Mods. It's a different thing to support a guy who says he needs a new PC so he CAN mod. Furthermore, while it would benefit you to have a new PC for Fallout 4 it's still not something I know that even veteran modders have or need. There are a couple of people I know on the Beyond Skyrim project who are modding with Laptops that get 30 fps at 720p. I ain't saying you shouldn't be doing this. I'm just saying that you should be aware of what you are asking of people who are going to see this and be like: WTF? EDIT: I'll say this. If you did have a mod up on the Nexus which had the donate button attached to it and it was a mod that I felt was worth donating to, I'd donate to ya. If you click on his profile and checked out his files, you'd see he's currently working on three interconnected mods. I've seen a lot of new modders give up after a little bit, but I don't think this guy is going anywhere. Yes Loogie is correct he has been modding for quite some time. He also has a single donation option .. you state that you would give money on Nexus for mods that you feel are worth it this is basically the same thing. It is your thought and option if you believe someone is going somewhere or not and even if you want or believe they deserve the money.. However it is completely up to the individual to request and provide options for support. At LL the mods here cannot be placed behind a Paywall. Never can be done.. All mods created by him and Looge that are here are free to use and will continue to be now and in the future. This isn't the Steam pay for crappy mods fiasco that happened a short time ago. Just some people requesting some help from those that are willing and able to help. http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/65034/ Yeah, it's not like people who spend hours upon hours providing entertainment for others should have the gall to ask for something in return, right? Exactly. I mean, all the prepro, scripting, dialogue typing, testing, supporting in the meantime and constantly updating it takes up something like 4-6 hours a day, outside of normal work/school. So nooblet123, I hope you were being sarcastic, otherwise you need to try making something yourself to see how much time and effort goes into making a mod, especially if you're trying to develop more complex content that works for everyone. http://www.loverslab.com/topic/6603-vore-amputees-and-scarred-bodies/page-6?do=findComment&comment=891366 http://www.loverslab.com/topic/44572-branding-device-of-doom/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/19890-vigilant-of-stendarr/ 3 mods and I'm not turning into a beggar, what's wrong with me? I have no problem with people placing a donation button, but you made a request for donations akin to panhandling. Also I was disgusted by everyone who put up paid mods in steam workshop. It is your option.. You can also request or hold the line with free. I also agree with you and was discusted by the paid mods on Steam Workshop.. This is a different matter. It is closer to the Nexus Donation button option. You are presented with the "Option" to dontate. Nothing is behind a paid wall here on LL. The mods aren't going away because some money wasn't given. This isn't the same as the Steam Paid for mod option. Lets get that clear.
pepertje Posted June 10, 2015 Author Posted June 10, 2015 My reaction when the discussion started Let's just hope we can say /rant here.
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