Spyder Arachnid Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 So apparently my favorite body type (UNPB) has kind of lost support over the years and some of my favorite mods no longer offer support for it, when they used to. SO!, I want to try this again now with a more supported body type. But I want all the support this time, and I figured CBBE and BodySlide are what is in now. But I don't just want armor support, I want the whole package. All the fancy new features and everything that all the mods support. So what I'm looking for, is assistance in figuring out how to go about this. I'm going to go with CBBE BodySlide, but I need some guidance as well. I want to get HDT setup properly this time, to work with all the fancy stuff (The jiggles, the wiggles, the inflation, the skippidy hop hop, etc etc). But I have no idea where to start on that. I usually just get the HDT Physics Extension and then HDT Breast and Butt Physics from Nexus, and that's it. Then I end up using the TBBP animation of Dragonfly cause I figured that's what I needed. Last time I tried to use BBP animation, I ended up with sunken breasts and was told I needed TBBP animations, and then it worked fine. But everything I know is wrong, cause I've been reading that I shouldn't use TBBP animations when using HDT cause it causes problems now. Or is that wrong? So confusing now. I've been outta the game for awhile, so I'm not up to speed on what advancements have been made or what is going on these days, so I'm looking to you guys for some guidance. So, questions! -I want to go with BodySlide (if that is the right choice now), but I need to know what to do to get all the fun features now. I want jiggles, lots of jiggles, that's a given. But I also want the belly inflation and stuff for if I try out pregnancy or cum inflation type stuff as well. So what body is the best to use for all of that? Or is there a different body type, like an HDT body that is designed for this? And what kind of support does it have? -I also want collision, if it is possible with all that going on. I remember before I had to use the Havok Object for that, but I had so many issues like breasts sticking in the air and not bouncing properly. For instance, with the sexy idles, when she slid her hands up, the breasts would stay up in the air instead of bouncing back down. It was just... off it seemed. But I'd like to have it working this time around along with the other stuff. -Schlongs of Skyrim. When I used UNPB, I also used the SoS for Females. But as far as I know, it works only for UNP. I found a thread once for a CBBE version, but I didn't see any finished project. So I'm wondering where to get a CBBE/Bodyslide compatible version. Or if there is any at all. -Animations. From what I was hearing, I shouldn't use TBBP animations with HDT. So.... what animations can I use? I used to like the XP32 Animation Pack, but when I used that, I ended up with sunken breasts. Is there animations that are decent enough, that work with HDT well and won't cause issues? Or is using TBBP animations fine and I heard wrong in that department? -Armor support. And pretty much lastly, looking for armor support for all this goodness. Armor that supports all the dlc as well. I think Remodeled Armor is still the way to go when it comes to BodySlide stuff? I do like the I Love Cleavage set though, and noticed it had some bodyslide stuff as well. But I figured as long as it supported the BodySlide thing, I can have it use whatever any ways. I've rid myself of a lot of old habits from my time before, but now getting back into Skyrim again, I really want to get this right this time. Any help would be appreciated, as I've been looking over the HDT sections myself as well, trying to make sense of it all and get a clue as to what I need. But still a bit overwhelming and some guidance would be very welcome. Thanks for reading.
Bonnie Lass Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Bodyslide 2 has an imitation preset for UNP but not UNPB. But as I understand UNPB just has slightly bigger breasts, so you could probably just modify the breasts on that.
Spyder Arachnid Posted March 16, 2015 Author Posted March 16, 2015 Well, I'll probably be making a UNPB type preset as it is regardless. Just, it won't be "true" UNPB, it will be CBBE shaped to look like UNPB. So all my UNPB armors and such won't work on it, unless of course I find BodySlide conversions for them. That ain't the issue though really. I think the biggest thing I'm trying to figure out right now, is the whole HDT stuff. I've done BodySlide before, so that's no trouble there, but I want to make sure it will be compatible with all the HDT things that I want to try out as well. But thanks though.
Bonnie Lass Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 It's not as hard as it looks. You just get xp32 Extended from here: http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/676-xp32-maximum-skeleton-extended/ And HDT from here: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/53996/? And then use a compatible body, and you're done. As I understand HDT does work somewhat with older bodies that were configured to work with BBP and TBBP, but the best results come from the new bodies. Any bodies Bodyslide 2 spits out will work fine. Just make sure you grab some CBBE-compatible body textures.
Bonnie Lass Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 As for armor compatibility woes, there exists a mod specifically for being able to play the game normally while sticking to only a few armor sets so you look like what you want to look like: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/33902/? It lets you copy armor stats from stuff you find in the game world onto a set of armor you've given yourself to look cool.
Spyder Arachnid Posted March 16, 2015 Author Posted March 16, 2015 Yeah sorry, I'm not new to this. My mistake if I'm giving off that vibe. I know the basics of HDT and all that is required. I've been modding Skyrim for quite awhile and know my way around. The stuff that I am having trouble wrapping my mind around, is more on the lines of the Collison stuff. Not HDT in general. Stuff like, belly inflation, protruding, proper collision effects on the body (breasts, butt, belly, and vagina). Even working with SoS as well. That is what I mean in regards to the HDT stuff. As for armor replacer, I mean more on the lines of a skimpy armor replacer like Remodeled Armor, Killer Keos, or even I Love Cleavage. Just trying to figure out which to use, that has DLC support as well, and as well has support for all those things I mentioned above. I really do appreciate you trying to help out though.
Bonnie Lass Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Ah, sorry. To be honest I don't really know anything about the collision stuff either, the threads about it in the HDT forum are a total trainwreck that can't be parsed. But I THINK the newer bodies built for HDT in mind have the collision stuff baked in, so HDT bodies from Bodyslide 2 will probably work fine. Need confirmation on this.
Mister X Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Yeah sorry, I'm not new to this. My mistake if I'm giving off that vibe. I know the basics of HDT and all that is required. I've been modding Skyrim for quite awhile and know my way around. The stuff that I am having trouble wrapping my mind around, is more on the lines of the Collison stuff. Not HDT in general. Stuff like, belly inflation, protruding, proper collision effects on the body (breasts, butt, belly, and vagina). Even working with SoS as well. That is what I mean in regards to the HDT stuff. As for armor replacer, I mean more on the lines of a skimpy armor replacer like Remodeled Armor, Killer Keos, or even I Love Cleavage. Just trying to figure out which to use, that has DLC support as well, and as well has support for all those things I mentioned above. I really do appreciate you trying to help out though. For HDT, take the newer HDT Bounce and Jiggles from the Nexus: - Take one of the main files, either Reduced, Normal or Exaggerated (jiggling strength, normal is quite nice imho), the TBBP_Belly version - Then overwrite with the Bounce and Jiggles CBBE HDT Only Body from the Optionals section - For SoS take either the Full or the Light Patch out of the Optionals section, depending on which version of SoS you've installed To actually see a nice collision effect, 1) You have to rebuild your body with Bodyslide. Take either CBBE HDT or CT77 body (included in armor replacer below, recommended) and then choose/build your sliderset. Don't forget to use it plugged into MO if using this mod manager! 2) you may use Sexy Idle. Variant 1 and 2 give best results. You still need a custom skeleton, take XPMSE 2.50 For Armor take the Remodeled Armor for CBBE HDT: - Install the main file and overwrite with the No BBP patch of the Optionals section No more tweaking needed, it supports all the latest stuff, eg the breast and belly collision I already have this setup, and for me anything works fine, breast collision during idling, belly inflation with EC+, ... Though I'm not sure about the SoS patch, to test this at penetration, you'll need an additional HDT Vagina, that is compatible with CBBE. Somewhere in this forum there is one, but I was too lazy to search it
ousnius Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 What Mister X said. Though I can't recommend CT77 Body, as he will remove it in the next update of his Remodeled Armor mod. CT77 Body became CBBE Body HDT at some point and got improved even further.
t3h0th3r Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 How about, best of both worlds? Bodyslide2 and UNP(BBQ-WTF-RTFM-YMMV) aka Unified UNP (which will become an integral part of the umcoming, soon to be released Bodyslide Version). Featuring high poly UNP based and UV mapped body mesh with all the bells and whistles of Bodyslide morphability (plus a ton of presets). Oh and it comes with and with out HDT and 3D modeled and HDT enabled private-parts. It may very well be the best thing since sliced bread
Spyder Arachnid Posted March 16, 2015 Author Posted March 16, 2015 Thanks, Mister X. Will definitely go through all that, definitely helps! And yeah, going to go with Cell here. CT77 is okay, but not the shape I'm looking for. But will keep an eye on it still thanks. And I completely forgot about Unified UNP. Though, is that actual UNP or just a UNP shape made via bodslide? And if so, how is support for it? I mean armor wise, or does it just use the same stuff as bodyslide does?
ousnius Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Thanks, Mister X. Will definitely go through all that, definitely helps! And yeah, going to go with Cell here. CT77 is okay, but not the shape I'm looking for. But will keep an eye on it still thanks. And I completely forgot about Unified UNP. Though, is that actual UNP or just a UNP shape made via bodslide? And if so, how is support for it? I mean armor wise, or does it just use the same stuff as bodyslide does? There are no armors for UUNP yet (and that's good because it's not 100% done yet). It is an actual UNP that uses UNP textures.
Spyder Arachnid Posted March 16, 2015 Author Posted March 16, 2015 Ah okay. Still, sounds like an interesting project I'll have to keep my eyes on then. Thanks.
t3h0th3r Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 i'm pretty sure, once it's final all popular armors will be converted to UUNP. i've done so with a few items and the sliders are pretty accurate resulting in little to no clipping (slight cleanup for super skintight stuff may be required).
Mister X Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Thanks, Mister X. Will definitely go through all that, definitely helps! And yeah, going to go with Cell here. CT77 is okay, but not the shape I'm looking for. But will keep an eye on it still thanks. And I completely forgot about Unified UNP. Though, is that actual UNP or just a UNP shape made via bodslide? And if so, how is support for it? I mean armor wise, or does it just use the same stuff as bodyslide does? The shape is no reason. CT77 or CBBE HDT are just the basic framework, the shape and the skin you can choose yourself. SG Female Retexture on the Nexus is quite good imho, as a skin for the body, and the shape you can alter with the sliders of Bodyslide. Just open the preview and play around a bit!
Spyder Arachnid Posted March 16, 2015 Author Posted March 16, 2015 The shape is no reason. CT77 or CBBE HDT are just the basic framework, the shape and the skin you can choose yourself. SG Female Retexture on the Nexus is quite good imho, as a skin for the body, and the shape you can alter with the sliders of Bodyslide. Just open the preview and play around a bit! Ah true! Forgot about that lol. I already got SG Female Textures Renewal, with Real Girls as well for my texture. I actually like the ALSL body preset someone made on Nexus, but of course, with a few personal tweaks on the breast shape. Thanks again!
Mister X Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 How about, best of both worlds? Bodyslide2 and UNP(BBQ-WTF-RTFM-YMMV) aka Unified UNP (which will become an integral part of the umcoming, soon to be released Bodyslide Version). Featuring high poly UNP based and UV mapped body mesh with all the bells and whistles of Bodyslide morphability (plus a ton of presets). Oh and it comes with and with out HDT and 3D modeled and HDT enabled private-parts. It may very well be the best thing since sliced bread Oh man, now I think again about throwing all my CBBE stuff overboard You're truly eveil, did you know that?
Spyder Arachnid Posted March 17, 2015 Author Posted March 17, 2015 Hey Mister X, just wanted to say thanks for the little walkthrough. Greatly appreciate it, and now everything is all nice and jiggly with collison as well. So thanks!
t3h0th3r Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Oh man, now I think again about throwing all my CBBE stuff overboard You're truly eveil, did you know that? I'm happy to oblidge
trixie81 Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 For HDT, take the newer HDT Bounce and Jiggles from the Nexus: - Take one of the main files, either Reduced, Normal or Exaggerated (jiggling strength, normal is quite nice imho), the TBBP_Belly version - Then overwrite with the Bounce and Jiggles CBBE HDT Only Body from the Optionals section - For SoS take either the Full or the Light Patch out of the Optionals section, depending on which version of SoS you've installed To actually see a nice collision effect, 1) You have to rebuild your body with Bodyslide. Take either CBBE HDT or CT77 body (included in armor replacer below, recommended) and then choose/build your sliderset. Don't forget to use it plugged into MO if using this mod manager! 2) you may use Sexy Idle. Variant 1 and 2 give best results. You still need a custom skeleton, take XPMSE 2.50 For Armor take the Remodeled Armor for CBBE HDT: - Install the main file and overwrite with the No BBP patch of the Optionals section No more tweaking needed, it supports all the latest stuff, eg the breast and belly collision I already have this setup, and for me anything works fine, breast collision during idling, belly inflation with EC+, ... Though I'm not sure about the SoS patch, to test this at penetration, you'll need an additional HDT Vagina, that is compatible with CBBE. Somewhere in this forum there is one, but I was too lazy to search it Followed this, and I got a crash when I took the tunic off... Tried it again with a different preset and I've lost the bouncy bouncy. I'm clearly an idiot so do you mind spelling out the Bodyslide section please which I am using plugged into MO. Would appreciate it massively Edit: Never mind, worked it out. You do still need HDT Physics Extentions enabled. Silly me. Still, damn that looks kind of amazing with the collisions on that idle.
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