[Sims3][WIP] KinkyWorld v0.37 [Updated: May 3rd 2019]

[applesnraisins]

 

Paying $5 per month, for 12 months, is $60, or the price of two full EA expansion packs, every year.  Now, you can quibble about $5 being "not that much money," but let's not pretend that it ends at $5, since Patreon payments are deducted monthly and are thus ongoing.  

 

I'm a Patron member and I've given to Onkikay happily, but if I'm being honest, Kinky World is not equal to two EA expansion packs in terms of gameplay.  It adds amazing gameplay, but is it equal to, for example, Into the Future and Island Paradise combined?  Nope.  So there's no point in shaming people who opt not to pay for the mod.  And for the people who don't pay and are complaining about the mod, well, some of your concerns are valid, but at the end of the day, you get what you pay for.  If someone gives you something for free, you kind of have to be content with what you get.

 

You're suppose to be getting what you were promised... money is not always the main focus or a transaction. And this people is mad because they didnt get what they were promised. 

 

Again, it all comes back to lack of communication, which translates to the ilussion that the author doesn't care. If is true or not, I could not tell, and any of us for that matter. A few words will be nice tough. No need of promises, or goodies (even though it will be greatly apreciated) just a plain statement saying "this version is what you get for free, for new releases and improvements please pay" or "Release is on the way, just be patient".  Any of those answers are ok, and acceptable, and any of those answers will help people to make decisions to either pay for updates if they feel like it, to just expect and use the free version or to change to another mod. 

 

No promises broken. 

 

 

I think the problem with that is, once stated, it's breaking the rule of "no content hidden behind a paywall" that was mentioned earlier in this thread, so it'd be destroyed all together.  I've actually been thinking about that forum rule a lot regarding this mod since it was brought up, actually. :\\\\\

 

[Doomdriven]

 

 

Paying $5 per month, for 12 months, is $60, or the price of two full EA expansion packs, every year.  Now, you can quibble about $5 being "not that much money," but let's not pretend that it ends at $5, since Patreon payments are deducted monthly and are thus ongoing.  

 

I'm a Patron member and I've given to Onkikay happily, but if I'm being honest, Kinky World is not equal to two EA expansion packs in terms of gameplay.  It adds amazing gameplay, but is it equal to, for example, Into the Future and Island Paradise combined?  Nope.  So there's no point in shaming people who opt not to pay for the mod.  And for the people who don't pay and are complaining about the mod, well, some of your concerns are valid, but at the end of the day, you get what you pay for.  If someone gives you something for free, you kind of have to be content with what you get.

 

You're suppose to be getting what you were promised... money is not always the main focus or a transaction. And this people is mad because they didnt get what they were promised. 

 

Again, it all comes back to lack of communication, which translates to the ilussion that the author doesn't care. If is true or not, I could not tell, and any of us for that matter. A few words will be nice tough. No need of promises, or goodies (even though it will be greatly apreciated) just a plain statement saying "this version is what you get for free, for new releases and improvements please pay" or "Release is on the way, just be patient".  Any of those answers are ok, and acceptable, and any of those answers will help people to make decisions to either pay for updates if they feel like it, to just expect and use the free version or to change to another mod. 

 

No promises broken. 

 

 

I think the problem with that is, once stated, it's breaking the rule of "no content hidden behind a paywall" that was mentioned earlier in this thread, so it'd be destroyed all together.  I've actually been thinking about that forum rule a lot regarding this mod since it was brought up, actually. :\\\\\

 

 

 

True that. But oniki states that the Patreon is only to give her more time to focus on making the Mod, that in itself is a topic to argue about since we had more frequent updates before the Patreon, now we didn't have one for almost a Year, which makes me wonder what the old builds had that made them worth releasing that the patreon builds that were never made public didn't have. I bet that at least 25% of the Patreon builds were better and more playable than the currently released one, but yet we still didn't get any of them. Lettings patreons test builds is a good thing, i dont disagree with that, but this kinda feels like crapping on non-patreons.

[Bonitobonito]

 

 

Paying $5 per month, for 12 months, is $60, or the price of two full EA expansion packs, every year.  Now, you can quibble about $5 being "not that much money," but let's not pretend that it ends at $5, since Patreon payments are deducted monthly and are thus ongoing.  

 

I'm a Patron member and I've given to Onkikay happily, but if I'm being honest, Kinky World is not equal to two EA expansion packs in terms of gameplay.  It adds amazing gameplay, but is it equal to, for example, Into the Future and Island Paradise combined?  Nope.  So there's no point in shaming people who opt not to pay for the mod.  And for the people who don't pay and are complaining about the mod, well, some of your concerns are valid, but at the end of the day, you get what you pay for.  If someone gives you something for free, you kind of have to be content with what you get.

 

You're suppose to be getting what you were promised... money is not always the main focus or a transaction. And this people is mad because they didnt get what they were promised. 

 

Again, it all comes back to lack of communication, which translates to the ilussion that the author doesn't care. If is true or not, I could not tell, and any of us for that matter. A few words will be nice tough. No need of promises, or goodies (even though it will be greatly apreciated) just a plain statement saying "this version is what you get for free, for new releases and improvements please pay" or "Release is on the way, just be patient".  Any of those answers are ok, and acceptable, and any of those answers will help people to make decisions to either pay for updates if they feel like it, to just expect and use the free version or to change to another mod. 

 

No promises broken. 

 

 

I think the problem with that is, once stated, it's breaking the rule of "no content hidden behind a paywall" that was mentioned earlier in this thread, so it'd be destroyed all together.  I've actually been thinking about that forum rule a lot regarding this mod since it was brought up, actually. :\\\\\

 

 

S: You got me on that.  You're right.  Be done what has to be done then. 

[janyses]

Paying $5 per month, for 12 months, is $60, or the price of two full EA expansion packs, every year.  Now, you can quibble about $5 being "not that much money," but let's not pretend that it ends at $5, since Patreon payments are deducted monthly and are thus ongoing.  

 

I'm a Patron member and I've given to Onkikay happily, but if I'm being honest, Kinky World is not equal to two EA expansion packs in terms of gameplay.  It adds amazing gameplay, but is it equal to, for example, Into the Future and Island Paradise combined?  Nope.  So there's no point in shaming people who opt not to pay for the mod.  And for the people who don't pay and are complaining about the mod, well, some of your concerns are valid, but at the end of the day, you get what you pay for.  If someone gives you something for free, you kind of have to be content with what you get.

I'd just like to point out that nobody is forcing anyone to commit to 12 months of payments. You can pay $5 once to get the most recent version and then cancel. Oniki's Patreon is no longer a subscription where you wait until the end of the month to pay, either; it's immediate payment=immediate access. Most of us continue supporting the mod because we want to.

 

 

The thing is you don't actually pay for the mod, you intend to give money to an artist/programmer because you like her work. From this point of view it's ok if patrons get something extra but it would be also nice if the rest got just anything.

At the same time I understand it's difficult to work on a mod and communicate with that many people. But from our perspective talking only with patrons, not the creator, about things we don't see is meaningless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

One of my female sims is a well known callgirl with lots of experience etc. and never had any escort situation. There are wealthy sims in my world (Paradise Islands) a restaurant and a disco. Even when I use kinky debug option 'trigger escort situation' nothing happens.

What's wrong?

Your sim will only receive an escort call if they meet the requirements. To find out if they do, look in the skill journal for woohoo. Their professional title should say "high class escort." If it does, enroll as a call girl using the cell phone or a computer. Then you can trigger a call using the debug option, but be aware that escort calls only happen after 5pm. The mod automatically creates NPC clients, so the number of wealthy sims in your world does not matter. If the title is not "high class escort," you can force it using the debug option on the sim: Kinky>debug>skills & traits.

 

If you haven't already, click the disco rabbithole icon and use the Kinky menu to register it as a dance club. Do the same with the resorts to register them as hotels. They need at least one hotel to check in to.

 

If it still won't work, enable debug under "notifications" in the settings menu. Try to trigger an escort situation again using Kinky debug and the popups should tell you what's wrong.

 

 

 

 

It now says: no potential customer found.

 

Ouch. I hate to say it, but when I had this problem the only way I could fix it was by starting a new game. That, or uninstalling Kinky mod and then running the save with ErrorTrap installed. The uninstalling/ErrorTrap route isn't ideal because your sims will lose Kinky skills, stats, and some will even be missing. I assume that you didn't install the mod into a new game, but into a current save? Because I've never heard of it happening in a new game.

 

If you're using the Patreon version, have you set any sexual preferences? If not, then the mod is experiencing a bug in which it is having trouble creating the clients that you need for an escort situation. If you have changed the preferences, it could be that no clients meet the criteria that you've set.

 

 

I started new games in several cities an the game still claimed there were no potential customers. Any idea?

When testing in a new game, make sure you've deleted the caches and removed all other mods besides the KW required ones. We have to rule out possible mod conflicts. You've done the other steps I mentioned like registering the resorts/hotels and clubs? You also need to give the mod some time to create the NPCs in a new game.

 

Have you made any changes using the gender preference options? Maybe none of the NPCs meet the criteria so it might help to keep the option at default.

 

Also if you're using the public release, trigger the call after 5pm only. I don't believe it works until then. If you're on Patreon, wait until it's your sim's working hours.

 

[Khlas]

 

 

 

Paying $5 per month, for 12 months, is $60, or the price of two full EA expansion packs, every year.  Now, you can quibble about $5 being "not that much money," but let's not pretend that it ends at $5, since Patreon payments are deducted monthly and are thus ongoing.  

 

I'm a Patron member and I've given to Onkikay happily, but if I'm being honest, Kinky World is not equal to two EA expansion packs in terms of gameplay.  It adds amazing gameplay, but is it equal to, for example, Into the Future and Island Paradise combined?  Nope.  So there's no point in shaming people who opt not to pay for the mod.  And for the people who don't pay and are complaining about the mod, well, some of your concerns are valid, but at the end of the day, you get what you pay for.  If someone gives you something for free, you kind of have to be content with what you get.

 

You're suppose to be getting what you were promised... money is not always the main focus or a transaction. And this people is mad because they didnt get what they were promised. 

 

Again, it all comes back to lack of communication, which translates to the ilussion that the author doesn't care. If is true or not, I could not tell, and any of us for that matter. A few words will be nice tough. No need of promises, or goodies (even though it will be greatly apreciated) just a plain statement saying "this version is what you get for free, for new releases and improvements please pay" or "Release is on the way, just be patient".  Any of those answers are ok, and acceptable, and any of those answers will help people to make decisions to either pay for updates if they feel like it, to just expect and use the free version or to change to another mod. 

 

No promises broken. 

 

 

I think the problem with that is, once stated, it's breaking the rule of "no content hidden behind a paywall" that was mentioned earlier in this thread, so it'd be destroyed all together.  I've actually been thinking about that forum rule a lot regarding this mod since it was brought up, actually. :\\\\\

 

 

 

True that. But oniki states that the Patreon is only to give her more time to focus on making the Mod, that in itself is a topic to argue about since we had more frequent updates before the Patreon, now we didn't have one for almost a Year, which makes me wonder what the old builds had that made them worth releasing that the patreon builds that were never made public didn't have. I bet that at least 25% of the Patreon builds were better and more playable than the currently released one, but yet we still didn't get any of them. Lettings patreons test builds is a good thing, i dont disagree with that, but this kinda feels like crapping on non-patreons.

 

the build 318 is worse (bug such as no more bathtub, etc) but 317 is definitely better. 318 is experimental anyway so it doesn't count. 90% of previous patreon build are better than the public version.

[applesnraisins]

I still wanna know if webcam shows were taken out in some iteration of the updates or if it's there and I just haven't seen it yet.  It was a really easy way to make friends with the entire neighborhood.

[Deviancy]

Again, I just feel like it'd be rad if Oniki at least updated the free mod to the version where the horrible lag is fixed.  It's not even close to the most recent release, but the game is more playable!  At least give people the less laggy version! D;

I donated 5 dollars last month and the links for numerous builds show up once you donate and I went through the update notes on each build, and then I skimmed all the countless comments that were posted for each build, and I tested build 316 I believe.

 

Based on what I read in the comments and the more current build I used, the lag hasn't been fixed.  

 

There are clothing issues with later builds that Onki can't get figured out, then there are numerous people bringing up getting ctd's with the newer builds when traveling and doing other things.  

 

Some are reporting no issues with some of the newer builds but it is impossible to know why they haven't experienced the issues most have, it could be due to them not having University which means they're not using the school features, or not having WA or Into the Future, so they're not traveling to different worlds.  Supposedly one of later builds even had a bug where the sim would forget their woohoo skills when traveling in WA, think that bug was squashed though.

 

Onki is constantly hard at work at trying to squash all the bugs in KW and sadly, with each thing that seems to get fixed, numerous people are finding numerous other bugs.  In short, its understandable why we don't have a newer polished version here since a newer more polished version doesn't seem to exist, and its understandable Onki has been quiet, she's very, very busy troubleshooting the mod.  

 

[Afro68]

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/65995-perhaps-its-time-for-ll-to-implement-some-patreon-policies/?p=1650659

 

Just leaving this here.

[applesnraisins]

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/65995-perhaps-its-time-for-ll-to-implement-some-patreon-policies/?p=1650659

 

Just leaving this here.

 

Put everything else I was doing on hold to read this thread.  Very interested in seeing how it develops.

 

Edit:  Seems it was unfortunately closed.  I sent in my opinion through messaging, will hopefully get a response.  In the meantime, I'd like to see how this entire fiasco alters the forums as a whole, good or bad.

 

WHO KNEW THAT KINKY WORLD WOULD CAUSE SO MUCH RUSTLIN', HM?

[Afro68]

 

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/65995-perhaps-its-time-for-ll-to-implement-some-patreon-policies/?p=1650659

 

Just leaving this here.

 

Put everything else I was doing on hold to read this thread.  Very interested in seeing how it develops.

 

 

Thread got locked by Ashal as it appears things were getting heated. Anyway we can quit arguing about it as it is being looked into. We'll eventually see what the hierarchy decides.

 

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/65995-perhaps-its-time-for-ll-to-implement-some-patreon-policies/?p=1650659

 

Just leaving this here.

 

Put everything else I was doing on hold to read this thread.  Very interested in seeing how it develops.

 

Edit:  Seems it was unfortunately closed.  I sent in my opinion through messaging, will hopefully get a response.  In the meantime, I'd like to see how this entire fiasco alters the forums as a whole, good or bad.

 

WHO KNEW THAT KINKY WORLD WOULD CAUSE SO MUCH RUSTLIN', HM?

 

 

No kidding, though it's over now the spoiler in this post I found to be an interesting read that I never knew happened if true. I was so late to Sims 2 I think it was over when I started playing.

 

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/65995-perhaps-its-time-for-ll-to-implement-some-patreon-policies/?p=1653791

[applesnraisins]

I never knew that Sexy Sims had so much discourse.  Like, I'm just so torn on the concept of paying for mods.  If you want to donate as thanks, that's fine and I'm 100% cool with it, but modding for cash feels....dirty?  When I say this, I mean it separately of this mod, of course.  In general. 

(That isn't me being snarky, I really do mean in general!)

[Afro68]

I never knew that Sexy Sims had so much discourse.  Like, I'm just so torn on the concept of paying for mods.  If you want to donate as thanks, that's fine and I'm 100% cool with it, but modding for cash feels....dirty?  When I say this, I mean it separately of this mod, of course.  In general. 

(That isn't me being snarky, I really do mean in general!)

 

Just my opinion, it should be handled like XDA Developers and if you're going to donate to anything shouldn't LL be first? People can do whatever they want with their money but that's just how I feel.

[ellessarr]

man is really weird how sims modders are so different from "others modders" like the ones in nexus, basically while you have the moders with patreon too, on nexus you don't have the same problem all the moders release fast as possible they works for free and does not give "rewards for they mods or don't make that sort of walls, while here on sims mods it's like peoples want to make a "law over it" with that "wall", well whatever.

 

changing a little topic any patreon here have the latest updates to share???all the current content, i saw one few pages ago but probably based on when he was created we could already have new "releases" then any good soul can post the news??? or the patreons are not allowed or don't want to share ir?

 

well whatever, peace.

[Afro68]

man is really weird how sims modders are so different from "others modders" like the ones in nexus, basically while you have the moders with patreon too, on nexus you don't have the same problem all the moders release fast as possible they works for free and does not give "rewards for they mods or don't make that sort of walls, while here on sims mods it's like peoples want to make a "law over it" with that "wall", well whatever.

 

changing a little topic any patreon here have the latest updates to share???all the current content, i saw one few pages ago but probably based on when he was created we could already have new "releases" then any good soul can post the news??? or the patreons are not allowed or don't want to share ir?

 

well whatever, peace.

 

You ain't kidding, most of them are a different breed. Just look at the Tumblr wars where unfortunately most of the best CC is. For example they'll release a custom made sim for the public, then give you a million rules on how you should use it in your game. Don't change the appearance and blah, blah. You can do whatever you want with the sim, just as long as you don't say you created the sim from scratch as far as I concerned....  Now that I'm playing Sims 4 there's a bunch of stuff that was in Sims 3 I'd like to see in Sims 4 and I've reached out to a bunch of creators for permission to do so once I figure out how to do so and only one has gotten back to me. Our own JoshQ, which shouldn't even surprise me as he's the most down to earth and most helpful creator I've ran across. Sharing a patreon release would be frowned upon.

[Aequus]

Hey guys, I have a question... Will this mod works fine onto 1.66 version of a game or 1.67 is an absolutely hard requirement? Did someone tested something like this already?

[Khlas]

Hey guys, I have a question... Will this mod works fine onto 1.66 version of a game or 1.67 is an absolutely hard requirement? Did someone tested something like this already?

I don't recommend to use previous version other than 1.67. 

[bemis67]

Hey guys, I have a question... Will this mod works fine onto 1.66 version of a game or 1.67 is an absolutely hard requirement? Did someone tested something like this already?

 

The only thing that patch 1.67 added was server messaging (spyware). 1.66 was in the terms of bug fixes the last real patch that fixed and changed gameplay.

[Darkening Demise]

Did he fix the constant stray dog visits to our Sim house only?

Did he make the Peeping Tom actually do anything cuz I'm tired of him constantly coming to my house only and doing nothing.

Did he optimize the mod more? I'm about to stop using it with how terrible it causes the game to lag. Passion seems to look more appealing now-even though it lacks what KW offers.

Does anyone know how to seed the callgirl pool? I tried getting my Sims from other households to sign up but they do not appear in the list just four random people.

[Cock Sucker]

1 Did he fix the constant stray dog visits to our Sim house only?

 

2 Did he make the Peeping Tom actually do anything cuz I'm tired of him constantly coming to my house only and doing nothing.

 

1 nothing wrong with this if you have beastiality on, saves my char over using the family pet lol

 

2 I think you need to switch his dirty antics on as well? When I had it on he came, spied, masterbated, and asked my girls for sex >.< so much I turned him off!.

[Doomdriven]

 

man is really weird how sims modders are so different from "others modders" like the ones in nexus, basically while you have the moders with patreon too, on nexus you don't have the same problem all the moders release fast as possible they works for free and does not give "rewards for they mods or don't make that sort of walls, while here on sims mods it's like peoples want to make a "law over it" with that "wall", well whatever.

 

changing a little topic any patreon here have the latest updates to share???all the current content, i saw one few pages ago but probably based on when he was created we could already have new "releases" then any good soul can post the news??? or the patreons are not allowed or don't want to share ir?

 

well whatever, peace.

 

You ain't kidding, most of them are a different breed. Just look at the Tumblr wars where unfortunately most of the best CC is. For example they'll release a custom made sim for the public, then give you a million rules on how you should use it in your game. Don't change the appearance and blah, blah. You can do whatever you want with the sim, just as long as you don't say you created the sim from scratch as far as I concerned....  Now that I'm playing Sims 4 there's a bunch of stuff that was in Sims 3 I'd like to see in Sims 4 and I've reached out to a bunch of creators for permission to do so once I figure out how to do so and only one has gotten back to me. Our own JoshQ, which shouldn't even surprise me as he's the most down to earth and most helpful creator I've ran across. Sharing a patreon release would be frowned upon.

 

 

I have to agree with both of you. I'm a modder for different Games myself (rFactor, SLRR, revolt, CS:S, etc.) and i've been doing so for 10+ Years and i never even had the thought of putting it behind a paywall, neither did my modding Friends. I even released a Sex-Toy Resource-Pack here on LL for people to use, for free. I can't understand modders that create paywalls. Like yeah, you get money and get your ego stroked, but you MASSIVELY lose reputation in whatever group/scene you are in. Especially if you first say it will be free and then decide to put it behind a paywall. I can't see why any modder would risk losing 99% of the fanbase just for a little money.

[blue35e]

Well just have to wait and see what happens with them discussing weather or not to change the rule.

 

It does kind of feel like if you are not paying you are not getting any support attention from the Modder. Not even to spend 5 min to post an update once a week here, the paetron is already past the full time work on mod goal. So to me it looks like modder does not need my support to pay for his time.

[solomoncrow]

I actually wouldn't mind seeing a yearly release for the mod.

Just once a year the mod is released up the the latest version. I follow an artist who has the some kind of business model. He enjoys making his art and loves to take on as many commissions as he can. Yet at the same time he release all his work to the public for free, the difference is that if you on a patron you have some perks. 1 being that you get a higher res of his work, not really that big a deal because the public release looks just, 2. if you something like $20 monthly you get to be a part of a group that votes for certain kind of pictures, 3. if you pay $50 a month then once a month he will make whatever you want along with you also having the other two perks.

That is honestly what I believe to be the best way for artists/modders to handle patron. The artists get the funding that they do deserve for their hard work (especially with today's world where every penny matter sometimes) the patrons get a bonus for donating, and those that either don't or can't donate tot he patron still to enjoy the artists work, whether the artists releases weekly, monthly or yearly. 

It is my belief and hope that this is what ONI is doing most likely, as others have mentioned before ONI is constantly adding to the mod on top of fixing bugs, anyone here who has done any modding or hell download multiple mods knows that bugs happen so extremely easy and can be hard to track down and fix. Yes the communication could be better but ONI communicates to the patrons which many of who share information with us here on the forums which they don't have to, they choose to and are extremely helpful. Plus honestly if ONI came on here and communicated with the forums it would probably be a storm of trouble, we can already see that some people on here are just jerks and would cause trouble, plus people listing numerous bugs which would already would be known from the patron/testing group, and so on. So its almost better that they don't really get on here and muck around when their time could be better spent working on the mod which is what we all want.

Hopefully people will learn patients, those that don't should just leave, don't bother making a post about it just leave any complaint you have to make would probably be irrelevant and pointless and just bring more toxicity to the forums which is not needed.

[Doomdriven]

anyone here who has done any modding or hell download multiple mods knows that bugs happen so extremely easy and can be hard to track down and fix.

 

But they will never stop if you rather add new features instead of getting all the bugs out first. Also, that way we will never have a public release until there are no more ideas for new features, in 10 years or so.

[solomoncrow]

 

anyone here who has done any modding or hell download multiple mods knows that bugs happen so extremely easy and can be hard to track down and fix.

 

But they will never stop if you rather add new features instead of getting all the bugs out first. Also, that way we will never have a public release until there are no more ideas for new features, in 10 years or so.

 

ok then

[Afro68]

I actually wouldn't mind seeing a yearly release for the mod.

 

Just once a year the mod is released up the the latest version. I follow an artist who has the some kind of business model. He enjoys making his art and loves to take on as many commissions as he can. Yet at the same time he release all his work to the public for free, the difference is that if you on a patron you have some perks. 1 being that you get a higher res of his work, not really that big a deal because the public release looks just, 2. if you something like $20 monthly you get to be a part of a group that votes for certain kind of pictures, 3. if you pay $50 a month then once a month he will make whatever you want along with you also having the other two perks.

 

That is honestly what I believe to be the best way for artists/modders to handle patron. The artists get the funding that they do deserve for their hard work (especially with today's world where every penny matter sometimes) the patrons get a bonus for donating, and those that either don't or can't donate tot he patron still to enjoy the artists work, whether the artists releases weekly, monthly or yearly. 

 

It is my belief and hope that this is what ONI is doing most likely, as others have mentioned before ONI is constantly adding to the mod on top of fixing bugs, anyone here who has done any modding or hell download multiple mods knows that bugs happen so extremely easy and can be hard to track down and fix. Yes the communication could be better but ONI communicates to the patrons which many of who share information with us here on the forums which they don't have to, they choose to and are extremely helpful. Plus honestly if ONI came on here and communicated with the forums it would probably be a storm of trouble, we can already see that some people on here are just jerks and would cause trouble, plus people listing numerous bugs which would already would be known from the patron/testing group, and so on. So its almost better that they don't really get on here and muck around when their time could be better spent working on the mod which is what we all want.

 

Hopefully people will learn patients, those that don't should just leave, don't bother making a post about it just leave any complaint you have to make would probably be irrelevant and pointless and just bring more toxicity to the forums which is not needed.

 

With that in mind why even have your mod on Loverslab? You can follow creators on patreon and not pay a cent. The creator could just release there and never even bother with here. The point is are you using Loverslab for advertising your patreon while you promise fixes and a public release. Oni hasn't even posted here in months, the promise of a soon to be public release came from another member per a patreon posting.