HDT and Flickering Boobs

[Talesoffan]

Hi Guys, 

 

I use an ENB, and am having the flickering boobs issue with HDT. I don't know what's causing it, since this issue was fixed in this version (I think). I don't even know why the issue cropped up, it didn't happen until I tried to use Sexy Idles and messed around with my HDT mods. I also have way too many mods I don't use and need to uninstall, but only a few involve HDT.

 

I use UN7B (from Tania Mod) and also have HDT hair, HDT heels. Thanks!

 

Oh, and the Enable...uh, the thing above the FPS limit does fix the issue for the cost of about 10 fps. 

 

Here's my load order: 

 

 

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[Guest]

 I've never yet found a combination of HDT that didn't get borked from time to time. I'd be amazed if anybody can honestly claim never to have experienced Stretch Armstrong or St.Vitus Dance tits given this engine's ability to freak out if the wind changes. 

 

If it's the odd occasion then welcome to my world. If it's constant and suddenly so, the usual tactic is to step back through any changes you made until you isolate the culprit. If it's a mod that isn't related directly to HDT, pray it hasn't baked into your save, test with a new save sans mods to find out. That kinda thing.  

[Z0mBieP00Nani]

I had that "flickering boobs" issue before, I managet to fix it by changing the hdtPhysicsExtensions file version to something an older version (and odly enough a version that would do all kind of strange things to my character's boobs beforehand), that might work for you too. I've also noticed I seem to have those issues when I build a body in bodyslide and you a "BBP" body type instead of a "TBBP" body type, for some reason HDT and BBP don't seem to want to play nicely together on my machine.

[lorm42]

I haven't found one neither.

 

I guess it's a mixture of HDT and config setup as well as a few little bugs that are still in HDT, or Skyrim. (like missing sanity checks on function results or parameter checks.)

[Talesoffan]

Thanks guys, ill try some of yer suggestions! Will update later.

[dryuya]

I've had this problem before.

 

For me it was an issue of having v-sync disabled. Not sure why I did but I had to turn it back on to fix the flicker.

 

I did it through my video cards control panel software (Nvidia GeForce experience)

[guk]

You mean when any HDT enabled parts are flapping around like a flag in a storm?

I'd be curious to hear about that from the HDT PE authors and anyone designing required stuff like HDT bodies, .xml presets and such.
Only thing i've heard so far are comments like:

• "sometimes it just stops working, restart the game"
• "collision sometimes just doesn't work, un- and reequip the havok object"

And the worst part is when any NPC with HDT PE effects is spawned in the world. The HDT parts will somehow spawn off screen, and then fly into the correct spot within a fracture of a second. Have never heard about a fix for this.

 

About VSync, IIRC you need that enabled anyway for Skyrim to work properly.

[Trickery]

Are you by chance using HDT collision and a hairstyle with physics at the same time? I believe it's a known problem that these 2 don't work together very well and will cause all sorts of weird stuff to happen with your boobs.  

[Lorelei]

I am having this issue too. my character can be standing still but her boobs and ass are dancing all over the place

[pavelius_pavlentius]

Solution is simple. Place "1" in the option "WaitBusyRenderer" in your enb ini. local or series i forgot. Fps loss, but no flicker.

[Trickery]

Solution is simple. Place "1" in the option "WaitBusyRenderer" in your enb ini. local or series i forgot. Fps loss, but no flicker.

This is not needed if you're running a current version of HDT PE. 

[Talesoffan]

So far the waitbusy render = 1 choice is the only thing that fixes it. I tried going back to an earlier version, and that worked, but my HDT (hhair) mod broke. So I think it's probably due to the hair and the boobs. I'll try that next. (changing the hair).

 

Any idea what mod adds collision? I could live without that. 

 

Edit= Okay, that didn't work. Changing hair still flickering boobs. 

 

On another note, does anyone know a way to get Shaydow's animation pack to work without getting a crushed butt? 

 

Edit Final: Fixed it! Both the butt crush and the flickering boobs. I just tried removing the .hkx in character assets female. It did the trick! ...Anybody know why that did it?

[Lorelei]

So far the waitbusy render = 1 choice is the only thing that fixes it. I tried going back to an earlier version, and that worked, but my HDT (hhair) mod broke. So I think it's probably due to the hair and the boobs. I'll try that next. (changing the hair).

 

Any idea what mod adds collision? I could live without that. 

 

Edit= Okay, that didn't work. Changing hair still flickering boobs. 

 

On another note, does anyone know a way to get Shaydow's animation pack to work without getting a crushed butt? 

 

Edit Final: Fixed it! Both the butt crush and the flickering boobs. I just tried removing the .hkx in character assets female. It did the trick! ...Anybody know why that did it?

Do you mind explaining more of what you did? like the name of the file so i can remove it as well please?

[Talesoffan]

I think I removed the femaleskeleton.hkx or whatever it was called in the file path character->assets->female.

 

Not sure though, since I'm not at home. I'll check for ya once I return though.

 

It might have a different name, maybe just skeleton.hkx? I'm not even sure how my game still runs if that skeleton is gone, but I still get bouncing boobs so I guess it didn't delete the hdt?

 

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[guk]

I think I removed the femaleskeleton.hkx or whatever it was called in the file path character->assets->female.

 

Not sure though, since I'm not at home. I'll check for ya once I return though.

 

It might have a different name, maybe just skeleton.hkx? I'm not even sure how my game still runs if that skeleton is gone, but I still get bouncing boobs so I guess it didn't delete the hdt?

 

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Then read the instructions of XPMSE:

 

 

 

 

Warning:

You do not delete my skeleton_female.hkx

 

 

[blabba]

This thread reads like a list of almost everything you shouldn't do to get physics working.

 

#1. Install latest XPMSE (No exceptions ever)

#2. Don't delete your Skeleton.hkx file. (No seriously, for gods sake people don't just delete files unless you know what your doing 200%. Files usually exist for a dam good reason)

#3. Install latest HDT (14.28 or whatever is on nexus) (No exceptions ever)

#4. (Recommended) Install HDT Mem Patch and set replace Havok Heap to true.

#5. WaitBusyRenderer is no longer needed, however it absolutely ensures your physics will be stable at the cost of FPS

#6. Update your meshes to latest XPMSE skeleton to fix crushed/torpedo stuff

#7. You only need V-Sync or FPS limiter enabled if your FPS goes to absurd values (anything over 120 is guaranteed physics mess, 60 FPS is recommended)

#8. (Recommended) that you set ipresentintervals=0 is skyrim.ini and if using Nvidia cards, use Nvidia inspector to set V-sync force on, Or turn on Nvidia's frame limit option on for skyrim. If using ATI/AMD same applies or alternatively use ENB's settings.

#9. Tweak your Skyrim.ini's for letting Havok know how many 'cores' your processor has. (05 is max setting)

 

 

As for occasional physics glitches that happen during spawning of an item/character into game world:

 

Due to the hacky nature of this type of physics it's basically injecting bones during mesh load and applying physics simultaneously. This is most probably never going to be fully solvable.

 

[Talesoffan]

Uh. So yeah I failed. Thanks for tr tips Blabba.

[Lorelei]

Well the more we know the better.. thank you lol

[D_ManXX2]

blabba how about when npc is exiting or entering the door ?? Sometimes i see breast spread into infinity. Never been able to fix this part. When that part happens usually the boobs goes fully berserk like other posters mentioned.

[guk]

blabba how about when npc is exiting or entering the door ?? Sometimes i see breast spread into infinity. Never been able to fix this part. When that part happens usually the boobs goes fully berserk like other posters mentioned.

 

^

 

 

Due to the hacky nature of this type of physics it's basically injecting bones during mesh load and applying physics simultaneously. This is most probably never going to be fully solvable.

 

So basically, avoid looking at places like doors where an NPC could spawn into the world. Only fix i know of

[blabba]

Yea, someone smarter than I that is experienced with how the skyrim renderer works would have to fix up Hydro's code so that there's a delay between physics effects applying, and injecting the bones everytime a mesh loads.

 

As well as some smoothing code for physics effects during mesh load as well.

[chupa]

For me I figured I had the problem solved.

 

In the Enblocal.ini i change the: "EnableFPSLimit" from true to false, and the shit flickering boobs go away.

 

The same if the FPSLimit is enable changing the value FPSLimit from 60 to 80, the boobs flickering solved to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[guk]

Correct me if i'm wrong:

 

FPS limit in good ENBs is off anyway (afaik not recommended by boris to use it), instead you should have VSync=On which caps it for example at 120fps if you have a 120hz monitor.

 

Might be a problem if your monitor has more than 120hz though.

[ousnius]

Correct me if i'm wrong:

 

FPS limit in good ENBs is off anyway (afaik not recommended by boris to use it), instead you should have VSync=On which caps it for example at 120fps if you have a 120hz monitor.

 

Might be a problem if your monitor has more than 120hz though.

 

Skyrim shouldn't be run above 60 (or maybe maximum 80) fps. The script (the Papyrus VM) and physics engine (Havok) will bug out because they're synced to frame rate instead of update speed. Not sure about the scripts actually, but definitely Havok. Flying items and all that fun stuff.

 

The problem with this is, if you have a 120/144 Hz monitor like me, your V-Sync will limit Skyrim to 120/144 fps which is bad. So I use the ENB FPS limiter or the NVIDIA FPS limiter instead (that way I can also use G-Sync ).

[peyoti]

Try setting iPresentInterval = 1 under [Display] in your Skyrim.ini.