Nathriel Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 I'm having a little issue where I am getting a CTD whenever I start a new game. For a little while I have been playing around with a couple of different mods, installing, uninstalling and updating them frequently. I had a save game that I used to test things, but obviously, that save game got screwed up a bit at some point, even with using the SaveTool utility to clean up my savegames to some extend. Now I wanted to start a new game and removed all my old saves because they were just taking up space. Now when I start a new game I get into character creation (using Alternate Start Live Another Life) and about a second or two after I am done with that, I CTD. When I disabled Alternate Start and went through the vanilla start sequence instead, I get a CTD immediately. I tried launching TES5Edit and let it load my whole load order and everything went through just fine as well. I use Mod Organizer and everything looks fine in there. In Wrye Bash I see no issues at all either and I use LOOT to sort my load order initially and that doesn't give any problems either. I also use SSME. Maybe I am overlooking something, but the only theory I have is that something goes wrong when it starts to initialize all my mods, since that is what it usualy does when you're done with character creation in Live Another Life. I tried disabling a number of mods, but that didn't seem to help either. It could be that the problem can be found in my papyrus log, but I am having a hard time judging what actually is a bad thing or not, so I have included my papyrus log in a 7z archive. Here's my load order 00 Skyrim.esm 01 Update.esm 02 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.6] 03 Dawnguard.esm 04 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.6] 05 HearthFires.esm 06 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 2.0.6] 07 Dragonborn.esm 08 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.6] 09 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm 0A ZaZAnimationPack.esm 0B SexLab.esm [Version 1.59] 0C Devious Devices - Assets.esm [Version 2.8.2] 0D hdtHighHeel.esm 0E SharedSeranaDialogue.esm 0F Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 10 Havok Breast Physic.esm 11 ETaC - RESOURCES.esm 12 HentaiPregnancy.esm 13 Children+SoulGems.esm 14 SexLabAroused.esm 15 Devious Devices - Integration.esm 16 Devious Devices - Expansion.esm 17 Xvision Children.esm 18 actorEvents.esm 19 daymoyl.esm 1A HDT Female Hairstyles.esp 1B SkyrimBound.esp 1C BFSEffects.esp 1D AHZmoreHUD.esp [Version 2.1.3] ++ Proper Aiming.esp 1E MoreNastyCritters.esp 1F Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp 20 DD_restrained.esp 21 SED7-CBBE3-Allin1-EDITION Merged.esp 22 BVFE_Serana.esp 23 Havok Breast Physic Dawnguard.esp 24 Basvanbeu MuscleTextureChanger with Navetsea set.esp 25 NoCombatMusic.esp 26 RaceMenuPluginXPMSE.esp 27 AMatterOfTime.esp [Version 2.00] 28 HeartBreaker.esp [Version 3.1] 29 When Vampires Attack.esp [Version 2.0.3] 2A nem-e5i5's RaceMenuPlugin.esp 2B Dead Body Collision.esp 2C DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp 2D SplashofRain.esp 2E dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp 2F AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp 30 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp 31 Devious Devices - Males Addon.esp 32 Player Size Adjuster.esp 33 SkyUI.esp 34 Children+SoulGemsXvision.esp 35 ETaC - Complete.esp 36 Footprints.esp 37 Footprints - Ash.esp 38 Grass and Grass.esp 39 HeartbeatRemover.esp 3A Havok Breast Physic.esp 3B Animated Dragon Wings.esp 3C HentaiMilk_HEARTHFIRE.esp 3D Customizable Camera.esp 3E Xvision Children - DB.esp 3F SexLabSquirt.esp 40 Immersive NPC in the dark.esp 41 DD - Interactions.esp 42 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp 43 HelmetToggle2.02b.esp 44 TradeBarter.esp 45 More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Wings and Tail.esp 46 More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Powered Edition.esp 47 NonEssentialChildren.esp 48 LoversComfort.esp 49 SexLab Cumshot.esp [Version 1.5.1] 4A OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp ++ SameWalkRunSpeedsLite.esp 4B RaceMenu.esp 4C RaceMenuPlugin.esp 4D Skyrim_Strap_Ons.esp 4E Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp 4F SlaveHeelsForHDTHighheelSystem.esp 50 SexLabNudeCreatures.esp 51 SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp 52 SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp 53 No NPC Greetings.esp 54 Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp 55 TDNEquipableHorns.esp 56 TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp 57 Unique Region Names.esp [Version 5] 58 RealisticRoomRental.esp 59 SkyRe_Main.esp 5A AOS.esp 5B ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp 5C 3DNPC.esp [Version 3.06.9] 5D DftT.esp 5E SSv2.esp 5F Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp [Version 2.3] 60 Tes Arena - Skyrim Frontier Fortress.esp 61 Better Dynamic Snow.esp 62 Prometheus_NSUTR BDS Patch.esp [Version 2.3] 63 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp 64 ISCompendium AOS Patch.esp 65 Facelight.esp 66 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp 67 Bucklers-Complete.esp 68 Immersive Weapons.esp 69 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 6A SDO Full-LOD - The Morthal Swamp Complete.esp 6B fallentreebridges.esp 6C SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp 6D TCOSS.esp 6E Traps Are Dangerous.esp 6F AOS_TAD Patch.esp 70 SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp 71 SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp 72 RealisticWaterTwo.esp 73 Book Covers Skyrim.esp 74 LearnAlchemyFromRecipes.esp 75 ReadAndLearnSpeechcraft.esp 76 ISCompendium SkyRe Patch.esp 77 Bound Armory.esp 78 AOS2_SkyRe Patch.esp 79 VioLens.esp 7A WetandCold.esp 7B AOS2_WetandCold Patch.esp 7C XiNafay - Shoes.esp 7D Xvision Children - 3DNPC.esp 7E Xvision Children - NEC.esp 7F chfshPlayerVoicesets.esp 80 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp 81 AOS2_EBT Patch.esp 82 ISCompendium Enhanced Blood Patch.esp 83 dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp 84 dcpack1.esp 85 iHUD.esp 86 rcrnShaders.esp 87 BetterDarkBrotherhood.esp 88 ImmersiveSpells.esp 89 ImmersiveSpells-NoDlcDawnDragComp.esp 8A Xvision Children - Main.esp 8B Xvision Children - USKP.esp 8C RCRNdgdb.esp 8D Unique Region Names - Dragonborn.esp [Version 1.1] 8E WetandCold - Ashes.esp 8F RealShelter.esp 90 RealShelter_ETCPatch.esp 91 OBIS.esp 92 DeviouslyHelpless.esp 93 Devious Devices - For the Masses II.esp 94 Havok Breast Physic Dragonborn.esp 95 Civil War Overhaul.esp 96 Captured Dreams.esp 97 DeadlyDragons.esp 98 UltimateDragons.esp 99 SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp 9A WetandCold - Holidays.esp 9B ETaC - Complete WC Holidays Patch.esp 9C ArcheryDummyXP.esp 9D EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp 9E EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp 9F BFT Ships and Carriages.esp A0 ETaC - Complete NSutR Patch.esp A1 HentaiCreatures.esp A2 SDO Full-LOD - Waterfall Effects.esp A3 Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp A4 SexLabWerewolves.esp A5 Moonlight_Vilja.esp A6 ESFCompanions.esp [Version 0.3.7] A7 Marriable Serana.esp [Version 1.6.2] A8 NoxUE2.00.esp A9 Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp AA P1FlyingRing.esp AB More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Flying Mod Addon.esp AC aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp AD AOS2_GDO Patch.esp AE Startingspells begone.esp AF animal_mansion.esp B0 Inconsequential NPCs.esp B1 hydra_slavegirls.esp B2 Xvision Children - IncNPCs.esp B3 Master of weapons - All In One.esp B4 DiversePriests.esp B5 Merchants Reply Only With Take A Look.esp B6 RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp B7 Cloaks.esp B8 Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp B9 Enhanced Soul Trap.esp BA Devious Deviants.esp BB DD - FtM - OBIS patch.esp BC 1nivWICCloaks.esp [Version 2.3] BD 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp [Version 2.3] BE DD FtM - Cloaks WIC patch.esp BF Run For Your Lives.esp [Version 2.0.3] C0 SexLab-Stories.esp C1 SDO Full-LOD - Whiterun Trundra Creeks.esp C2 UniqueBorderGates-All.esp C3 SMIM-Merged-All.esp C4 RRR_3DNPC-Patch.esp C5 Immersive Patrols II.esp C6 Children+SoulGemsDragonborn.esp C7 SexLab Romance.esp C8 PrivateNeeds.esp C9 sextoys-calyps-2.esp CA SkyRe_StandingStones.esp CB ETaC - Complete BFT Patch.esp CC PrivateNeeds-Sexlab.esp CD SkyRe_Races.esp CE Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp CF SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp D0 ArachnaphobiaExpansion.esp D1 AngrimApprentice.esp D2 Predator Vision.esp D3 SexLabDefeat.esp D4 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp [Version 1.2.8] D5 Devious Cidhna.esp D6 HorsePenis.esp D7 SDO Full-LOD - Giant Campfires.esp D8 mslDeviousCaptures.esp D9 iNeed.esp DA SexLab-StoriesDevious.esp DB BlockSparkles.esp DC Equipping Overhaul.esp DD AlternativeCraftingSystem.esp DE SeranaSecret.esp DF SkyRe_Combat.esp E0 BorderSense.esp E1 General Patch.esp E2 RCRNvolumetric.esp E3 Vividian - Windy Clouds - RCRN.esp E4 Vividian - Extended Weathers.esp E5 AOS2_RCRN_AE_Patch.esp E6 sandboxcylinderheight.esp E7 sr_FillHerUp.esp E8 titkit.esp E9 vAutosaveManager.esp EA Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 2.esp EB Bashed Patch, 0.esp EC Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dragonborn.esp ED warburg's 3d paper world map - dawnguard.esp EE ReProccer.esp Papyrus.0.log.7z
myuhinny Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 Crash at character creation is the crash coming when selecting a race or before selecting a race? If it's coming when selecting a race it could mean that something has overwritten files for that race if you are using a custom race reinstall it to overwrite the files in the folder and it should fix it or something is conflicting. Also are you using anything like BBP/TBBP it might be a skeleton issue if you do not have the correct skeleton. So all of your old saves are gone I was also going to suggest loading up one of your last save files and then bring up the console with ~ button and typing in showracemenu and then try to change the race there and see if it crashes there as well. If it did then you would know that something is conflicting or has overwritten the races/race.
Storms of Superior Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 Do you get an error claiming PapyrusUtil v2.6 is missing? I have that on my main computer. I seem to be using the same tools such as MO, TES5edit, SSME, (I haven't actually opened Wrye Bash to try to help yet), and all the bells and whistles, and all that happened between my last installation, and this one (after the switch to MO) (also after doing the installation the right way), is that my CtD during loading a new game have gotten more abrupt, but somehow seem smoother. Anyway, here is a lengthy thread with just his discussion. http://www.loverslab.com/topic/36081-black-screen-on-new-game/
Storms of Superior Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 It also looks like you are using Xvision Children, maybe the playable race, but also the files that use them as added NPCs. If I remember right, the Xvision Children mods, and their requirements, are big and memory hungry. I could be mistaken. Also look at Hydra_Slavegirls.esp; this also adds NPCs, and, without a doubt, my experience clearly states that all of those extra NPCs puts stress on the game. One thing to try is this: 1. disable all of the extra NPC mods 2. make a clean save 3.begin adding the extra NPC mods one at a time, always saving the game, then closing it, then adding another 4. repeat step three until the stress threshold is identified This may seem like a lot of work, but this method is used when folks are at their wits' end. I have been at my wits' end for months now. Then again, if the problem does lie with the extra NPC mods, then you only have so many to work with. This is similar to a problem I still have, even after switching to MO and all of that. Maybe my problem isn't caused in precisely the same way, but the result is roughly the same.
DocClox Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 If you're using MO, try running a new char with no mods at all, If that runs, my guess would be that you're missing master in your mod list. If it crashes, and from what you've said it might well, try deleting your StorageUtil.dat file - after backing it up, obviously.
Nathriel Posted August 29, 2014 Author Posted August 29, 2014 Thanks for all the replies so far. Perhaps I should clarify a bit more on the situation. At first, I got the CTD right after I was finished creating my character, had typed in my character's name and pressed done. Then it goes out of the character creation menu as it should and would then start loading my mods as it usually does. Right at that moment, so about 1 or 2 seconds after I pressed done I get the CTD. I was fiddling around a bit and now I am getting the CTD right before I even reach the character creation at all. So now I press New Game, it goes into the loading screen for a little bit and when it's done it crashes. I am using the 2.06 version of XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended and use Bodyslide 2 to build the CBBE Body HDT. All of this was working on my old testing save I mentioned before. It didn't crash on that save when I loaded it. The problem is that I was stupid enough to remove all of those saves before seeing if creating a New Game still worked. As a result of that stupidity, I have no savegame at all to go back to to see if loading that still works. Also, I did get a message about papyrusutil missing after I had updated sexlab framework, but I realized that issue was caused by SoS having earlier versions of that and other util files and that mod was loaded after Sexlab framework, so the older versions where overwriting the new Sexlab Framework ones. MO kept saying I should load SoS after Sexlab Framework though, so to get rid of that buggering, I used MO to hide the respective files in SoS and after that everything was perfectly fine. At least, on the save that does not exist anymore. I also disabled Xvision Children and Hydra_Slavegirls (I was thinking about removing the latter anyway, since extra NPC's are rather heavy on the engine, I belief and those NPC's aren't worth that load for me). Even so, it didn't get rid of my issue, sadly. Although it should help a bit once I do fix this. I made a new test profile in MO and ran the game without any mods at all and with that I was able to start a new game just fine. I would find it odd if the issue is that I am missing a master for one of my mods. First because usually, Wrye Bash would warn me of that, since it would make the mod red when it is missing a master. But also, doesn't a missing master usually cause skyrim to crash when starting the game itself? Before you even reach the main menu? Or does it sometimes cause issues for creating a new game as well, as is the issue with me? Just curious about how this works. I am not sure what you mean about StorageUtil.dat. Where would that file be? I only know of a StorageUtil.dll in the skse plugins folder. I tried disabling that, but all that accomplished was causing a couple of error messages, as I had expected after which it still crashed as it did before. Not entirely sure how that would have helped.
Storms of Superior Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 In that case try loading SoS above Sexlab. I was just instructed to try, and one of my problems went away.
sorsharavenwing Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 There are a few issues I see in your load order. I suggest that you download and run LOOT - http://loot.github.io/ Then make sure that Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm loads before Sexlab.esm. And then, ake sure that you disable this: 4C RaceMenuPlugin.esp. Because you are using XPMSE 2.06, which requires that you use RaceMenuPluginXPMSE.esp instead.
Nathriel Posted August 29, 2014 Author Posted August 29, 2014 I do already use LOOT and I did update it recently, so that should be fine. A funny coicidence is that I realized both of those mistakes myself a few minutes ago. The order of the esm's of SoS and Sexlab shouldn't actually matter in my situation, since I have hidden the util files of SoS in the first place, so it can't load those first anyway. Just in case I made the change in my load order regardless, but as I expected, that didn't help. I also realized I should have disabled the RaceMenuPlugin.esp for the reason you just listed. I remember doing that with Racemenu before, but since I recently had reinstalled Racemenu, I had forgotten to repeat that action. Sadly, getting rid of that esp didn't solve my issue either. If there are any other issues with my loadorder, feel free to point them out.
Nathriel Posted August 30, 2014 Author Posted August 30, 2014 Well, I've made a bit of progress. I discovered that for some reason the mod Vilja in Skyrim was causing me to crash immediately. Now when I press new game I get to the character creation and can succesfully create a character again, but once I am done with that, it would start loading the mods as I described earlier and crash. I tried using Quick Start - Skip The Opening Sequence instead of Live Another Life, but the same thing happened there. When trying to start a new game without any alternate start mods at all, it crashes right away, probably because it starts loading up mods at the start of the opening sequence instead of after the character creation as happens with most alternate start mods.
mojodajojo Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Make sure to examine your overwrite folder for crazy stuff. Usually my problems are in there.
Nathriel Posted August 30, 2014 Author Posted August 30, 2014 I discovered that early on in my experience with MO, so that was one of the first things I tried to see if that fixed things, but alas.
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