ratrace Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 Max Schreck/Count Orlok from 'Shadow of the Vampire' is what I picture when I think of 'vampires'. Creepy, non-human, etc. They don't look like hair dressers or Goth kids. They look like they need stakes pounded into their hearts, not therapy. Max Schreck was the actor in the original "Nosferatu" silent film from 1922 by Friedrich Wilhelm Murnau, not in "Shadow of the vampire". That movie from 2000 took the idea and brought it back into a (very interesting) plot with Willem Dafoe playing the main character.
pinky6225 Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 Think the slide happened with Buffy the Vampire slayer/Angel myself and while I forgive them as they have Spike in them (Spike is cool - even as a straight guy i love this dude) they both devalued being a vampire since by the end you have regular humans staking vampires like theres no tomorrow - exactly why did we need a mythical slayer for this? Things like blade weren't much better as in the beginning we needed a daywalker to save us from the evil regular vampires and by the end of the trilogy we have regular humans staking away again Wanting to play up the tortured side of the immortality (something more appropriate to immortality explained high lander style imo) has turned them from scary monsters into just misunderstood individuals and this have become over used Skyrim as far as i know doesn't subscribe to this as vampires (well other than serana) are quite happy being vampires and don't need to do lots of navel gazing The lore from vampire the masquerade is also quite interesting as they've managed to keep vampires scary while building a society around them that allows them to have complicated plots.
Mebrilia Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 My problem with mordern vampire in games and overall vision is this... Perfect guideline for modern Vampire character: Need to dress in black with latex and show a perfect breast opening in the corset better if bigger white like snow breasts... Needs to be female because no one is interested in male vampire unless they spark like diamond in the sunlight
pinky6225 Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 My problem with mordern vampire in games and overall vision is this... Perfect guideline for modern Vampire character: Need to dress in black with latex and show a perfect breast opening in the corset better if bigger white like snow breasts... Needs to be female because no one is interested in male vampire unless they spark like diamond in the sunlight You mean like Edit : Man the strength of will required to switch from and close the tab i'd done the spike image search on was immense
Mebrilia Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 The whole buffy series is just...ridicolus... Look i am a teenager and a cheerleader wannabe in my free time i like to kick vampire in ass... Gah..
Guest Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 I like the idea that as vampires become very ancient they resemble that Max Schreck creature . There's a short story by Tad Williams, 'Child of an Ancient City', in which the vamp is so wizened that it's become a wretched skulking shrunken thing with blackened skin and a voice like a creaking door. In Stephen King's Dark Tower series Type Ones are the really successful vampires, twisted mutants with fangs that grow indefinitely with age until they can no longer close their mouths. edit: I also recommend 'Fevre Dream' by George RR Martin to anyone who thinks the vampire mythology is tapped out.
ratrace Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 He is the ultimate monster vampire (Klaus Kinski as Nosferatu (Werner Herzog Remake 1979, a must see).
Kendo 2 Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 Max Schreck was the actor in the original "Nosferatu" silent film from 1922 by Friedrich Wilhelm Murnau, not in "Shadow of the vampire". That movie from 2000 took the idea and brought it back into a (very interesting) plot with Willem Dafoe playing the main character. I know this. My point was Dafoe's peformance. Even when 'Max' wasn't on camera, he was still a 'vampire'. Bela Lugosi's Dracula was the first vampire movie I ever saw. The original Nosferatu was the second.
CoxcombCornking Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 Overused poorly. Underused well. Was it Francis Bacon, or Oscar Wilde, who stated that "There are no bad characters, only bad writers."?
OmgItsaGhost! Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 What if they start sucking blood, from cock O,..,o
pinky6225 Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 What if they start sucking blood, from cock O,..,o Doggy style would become much more popular
Devious Diana Posted May 19, 2014 Posted May 19, 2014 i never really played as a vampire, dont have dawnguard dlc either so dont see the point. if vampires in skyrim would be like vampires irl. i'd love to be one
DorkDiva Posted May 20, 2014 Posted May 20, 2014 My thought on Vampires being over used is they are not over used, just not used right. So it gets tiresome when they are being brought to life as the weak, pathetic, overly emotional, glittering, crying and whining (being human), made out of glass or crystal or whatever that shit was in that movie my girlfriends daughter was watching, main streamed shit we have out there today. A depressing situation. Thankfully Anne Rice has brought back Lestat, so perhaps we can have something good once again in the world of Vampires. I will continue to stick to the vampire chronicles and necroscope. All I really need regarding vampires. Well, Bram Stokers tale is good too.
Karin Posted May 20, 2014 Posted May 20, 2014 i never really played as a vampire, dont have dawnguard dlc either so dont see the point. if vampires in skyrim would be like vampires irl. i'd love to be one You mean dont exist?
Skyrimfloo Posted May 20, 2014 Posted May 20, 2014 Thankfully Anne Rice has brought back Lestat, so perhaps we can have something good once again in the world of Vampires. I will continue to stick to the vampire chronicles and necroscope. All I really need regarding vampires. Well, Bram Stokers tale is good too. While Anne Rice's vamps are decent, I don't really like the story concerning how vampores came to be. Even with all the hatred against Vampire: The Masquerade, I think that this one has a much better "origin mith". And Dracula... That one is plain awesome. I particulary enjoy his portrayal in Hellsing mangas, although I think there vampires are just too OP.
Devious Diana Posted May 20, 2014 Posted May 20, 2014 i never really played as a vampire, dont have dawnguard dlc either so dont see the point. if vampires in skyrim would be like vampires irl. i'd love to be one You mean dont exist? if they dont exist that i'd be the first 1 vampires in skyrim suck unless you have the Better Vampire Overhaul mod installed.
ElectricSheep Posted May 20, 2014 Posted May 20, 2014 They suck because the sole idea is fucking stupid. As always Howard wanted to turn a simple concept into something ep1c and ended up with a ridiculous Uruk-hai floating centimeters above the ground. Since Morrowind there are mods ("Vampire Embrace") that suggest Bethesda how they should approach the topic, but instead they always choose to do something retarded (vampires aging in Oblivion anyone?).
Devious Diana Posted May 20, 2014 Posted May 20, 2014 skyrim was the first elder scrolls game i played so i cant say anything about the previous vampire systems in oblivion or morrowind
teitogun Posted May 20, 2014 Posted May 20, 2014 In my culture, vampires were just horrid monsters that were said to disembody themselves, feed on entrails and suck out fetuses from pregnant mothers. I haven't heard stories about them having sparkles or being pretty like Kate Beckinsale. That said I do know that many people in the West are fascinated with Gothic culture and medieval romantic notions associated with it. I myself was enthralled with it for some time back when I first played Castlevania Symphony of the Night. A dark, damp castle and some baroque music is enough to set the mood. So I doubt the appeal of it would go away any time soon. I never understood why Western vampires are so evil and malevolent. Most classic movies, like the superb Hammer series portray Vampires as bogeymen and serial killers that just kill for no reason. I don't get why an upper class english gentleman would just start murdering random people and hatching heinous plots when he can just go to the blood bank, pay off a few hands and get his fix. I liked Herzog's Nosferatu because the vampire's motive made sense - he was simply tired of endless, loveless existence and wanted to put an end to it. Compared to that, the best vampire movie that Hollywood ever made was the one with Leslie Nielsen. I don't think life as a vampire is very difficult nowadays. You are no longer shunned or hated in modern liberal society. There are plenty of bozos who would willingly offer their blood to feed you (there was a german man who fed his penis to a love partner not so long ago) and if you came out openly, you'd probably be treated as a celebrity and maybe given your very own talk show like Dr. Phil. And he's not even a vampire, but a jackass.
Devious Diana Posted May 20, 2014 Posted May 20, 2014 In my culture, vampires were just horrid monsters that were said to disembody themselves, feed on entrails and suck out fetuses from pregnant mothers. I haven't heard stories about them having sparkles or being pretty like Kate Beckinsale. That said I do know that many people in the West are fascinated with Gothic culture and medieval romantic notions associated with it. I myself was enthralled with it for some time back when I first played Castlevania Symphony of the Night. A dark, damp castle and some baroque music is enough to set the mood. So I doubt the appeal of it would go away any time soon. I never understood why Western vampires are so evil and malevolent. Most classic movies, like the superb Hammer series portray Vampires as bogeymen and serial killers that just kill for no reason. I don't get why an upper class english gentleman would just start murdering random people and hatching heinous plots when he can just go to the blood bank, pay off a few hands and get his fix. I liked Herzog's Nosferatu because the vampire's motive made sense - he was simply tired of endless, loveless existence and wanted to put an end to it. Compared to that, the best vampire movie that Hollywood ever made was the one with Leslie Nielsen. I don't think life as a vampire is very difficult nowadays. You are no longer shunned or hated in modern liberal society. There are plenty of bozos who would willingly offer their blood to feed you (there was a german man who fed his penis to a love partner not so long ago) and if you came out openly, you'd probably be treated as a celebrity and maybe given your very own talk show like Dr. Phil. And he's not even a vampire, but a jackass. to me, vampires are just fascinating creatures, not only vampires but any other mythical beasts. vampire's are in my top 3 favourites, i wonder if they truely exist. i do a lot of roleplay as a vampire but everyone sees vampire's different so we never know what they are truely alike.
pornphile Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 Overused poorly. Underused well. Was it Francis Bacon, or Oscar Wilde, who stated that "There are no bad characters, only bad writers."? This is very true. Let's consider the most overused theme of all time - good vs evil. But no one complains because the stories are done well. This same concept can be applied on the character level. Look at wildly popular characters like Batman & Spider-man. Fundamentally, what's changed about these characters? Very little - if anything. You'd think 50+ years people would get tired of reading about them. So then the question of whether something is overused or not becomes moot, so long as the subject matter is handled well.
sweforce Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 The thing they call vampires today are overused. Vampires should be monsters. Still I would like to see a movie about someone getting turned against his will and with an romantic idea of staying good eventually breaks down to his new undeniable vampire instincts. There should be absolutely no hope for an vampire. At best one could try to destroy one's enemies before loosing control.
JerseyWalrus Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 I like Anne Rice's vampires. There curse isn't "feeding on blood" or "killing the innocent" or even "resisting the urge to feed" but the fear of being alone for eternity. They don't turn into bats (that I know of), they don't sparkle and they damn don't take socially awkward teens into bed. Her vampires search for companions to live a damned life together because they're so spread out or in hiding. I think she got them right. It does get weird when the tone of the books turn homo-erotic but I digress.
Nergui Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 The whole buffy series is just...ridicolus... Look i am a teenager and a cheerleader wannabe in my free time i like to kick vampire in ass... Gah.. While that was the gist of the series, it did go into deeper themes. But the one consistancy was that vampires were soulless blood-sucking demons. Even Spike referred to people as little more than mobile happy meals. But a small point, Buffy was a cheerleader before she became a vampire slayer. No, I totally haven't watched every episode. Back on topic. Vampires as a theme has been overused in a lot of bad writing. There are good stories, but those tend to be really hard to find among the not so good stories.
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