Opening/Closing Vagina, proof of concept (need help/feedback)

elktrue · April 3, 2014

Hi everyone. After a long time of lurking I finally have something I think is worth posting.

First off if this is posted in the wrong place or if somewhere else is more relevant be direct me.

Anyways, I spent some time playing around with blender trying to teach myself some things. Currently I am in the middle of trying to create my first body for Skyrim.

So far I have successfully created a mesh based on standard cbbe which incorporates a vagina mesh which can open and close. I tested this by importing the xpms skeleton into blender. The bones NPC L/R Pussy01 lined up and I was able to replicate opening and closing in pose mode.

Some feedback would be helpful.

What does everyone think? Is this worth working on more?

I also have some questions.

- When I imported an earlier version of this into Skyrim there was a neck gap. Not a neck seam, a full fledged mesh gap. Any info on how to get rid of it?

- Can someone point me in the right direction as to how I would make a texture for this. Possibly by modifying the cbbe ones?

- What are the best settings (using nifscripts) to export a body from blender with?

Images are attached, the cross sectional one kind of shows what I'm getting at. I also have .blend files I can upload one request.

Thanks in advance!

*blabba* · April 3, 2014

0.o

Cool stuff, not to discourage you but this has been accomplished over here...

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At the very least you probably can get help from the people over there on your project, or take a look at their project and learn that way also.

elktrue · April 3, 2014

Actually, their project is what inspired me to start working on this. I was hoping to help out in any way I can. At least I'll get up to speed this way

I will look/ask over there as well.

*myuhinny* · April 3, 2014

Well since there is a CBBE version already maybe try making one for the UNP.

nutluck · April 3, 2014

Well since there is a CBBE version already maybe try making one for the UNP.

Yeah I am one of the ones hoping for a UNP version eventually when they get all the bugs worked out.

gvman3670 · April 3, 2014

YES! A UNP version please. I have some UNP BBP and UNP Top Model TBBP characters in need of functional honey holes. :lol:

elktrue · April 3, 2014

Alright. Modding the UNP body seems like a good project. I'll give it a shot.

Can anyone recommend what femalebody nif to start with?

I would assume that a BBP or TBBP weighted one would be the best.

The only issues that I really need help with is making sure that I have the nif tools import/export setting correct,

and setting up textures.

gvman3670 · April 3, 2014

As far as I know all UNP variants (SevenBase, UNP, UNP Skinny, UNPetite, Top Model, UNPB, etc.) have their genitals in the same place on the body. So a base UNP (BBP or TBBP and I have those archives if you would want them) should be a safe starting point to work with.

Z0mBieP00Nani · April 3, 2014

You're using Blender?.. wow! that looks good, how long did it take you to make that?

elktrue · April 3, 2014

gvman could you upload the .nif files for the UNP BBP body. Even though I could probably find them on LL (or nexus) I've never used UNP (always CBBE) and I want to make sure that I have the right base as there seems to be so many varients.

gvman3670 · April 3, 2014

I don't have the nif files, I have the whole mods here. But the nif files are in there. I never make anything like this myself so I've never extracted them. But I can add the files here.

UNP Standard BBP TBBP Nude Body test version-21199-2-0beta.7z

UNPBBP strip version-33399-1-0.rar

Here are two versions so you can choose whichever works best for you to extract from.

gvman3670 · April 3, 2014

I want to make sure that I have the right base as there seems to be so many varients.

You might want to ask others who have made or converted UNP variant stuff to be sure. But I've used UNPB, UNP, UNP Skinny, UNPetite and UNP Top Model then mixed and matched clothing/armor (so the body morphs to the clothing's body type) and labia piercings still always line up properly, even when many other things don't.

elktrue · April 3, 2014

thank you. exactly what i was looking for.

edit: found UNPC HDT Body on nexus. probably going with that

*blabba* · April 3, 2014

Maybe try using Outfit Studio to get the conversion going and get a rough outline for your hard work already?

Then you can obviously touch it up and perfect the weighting and alignments via Blender/Mudbox/3dsMax/The 1000 other programs..

Overall, looks really cool and I encourage this

Hell, if you've got enough time, maybe you can bugfix the weight issues in the other one while your at it

elktrue · April 3, 2014

you mean create the unp mesh from bodyslide? that sounds like it will be waaaaaay more compatible with everything else than just going out and grabbing a random mesh.

The only tool i've had a hard time figuring out is bodyslide. What I don't understand (and need help with) is what the heck makes the sliders work, and what exactly a conversion is. I'm assuming that the sliders deform a base mesh using bone scaling and save the result?

Everything I've seen tutorial wise has been directed towards the end-user, or leaves out details that are assumed but that I don't know. If someone could explain (or at least direct me towards some mid-level guide) it would be very much appreciated.

*blabba* · April 3, 2014

Nope deforms the mesh based on vertex position information.

Kinda like how you get the weight percentages between the _0.nifs and _1.nifs actually.

Here's a sort of mid-level guide, or at least some of the stuff in their can be mid-level, I haven't made any proper guides about how you can extend Bodyslide by making completely new mophs using an actual 3D software package.

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/25180-unofficial-bodyslide-2outfit-studio-tutorials/

You should be able to get the shape correctly by following Guide 3 and use CBBE to UNP as a conversion reference.

As for advanced/modder level information, stuffed_bunny's got ya covered:

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/21327-bodyslide-modders-guides-and-help-thread/

If you need some help or a custom/new guide for a specific result you'd like to achieve, you can always ask and if I know the answer I'll explain it as best I can

elktrue · April 3, 2014

Cool! Very much appreciated.

I guess what I'll try to do is play around with bodyslide a bit and see if I can get the resolved (maybe make a conversion from my cbbe to my body, if i'm using the term right), then work on a UNP mesh generated from bodyslide.

Once again, thanks for the help!

edit: immediately found what was causing the neck gap problem upon loading body in outfit studio. upon comparing my body to the original cbbe mesh, my body is exactly the same shape, but slightly lower. No clue how that happend ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ does bodyslide allow for moving a mesh?

*blabba* · April 3, 2014

Yea, you can move a mesh in outfit studio, but it kinda sucks...

Best and most easiest method would be I guess to match your vagina mesh onto the cbbe mesh used by OS (you can find the meshes in ShapeData/calbody or something like that) in Blender and re export for OS to use.

It's kind of a roundabout way to do it, but that's all their is for now.

elktrue · April 3, 2014

Got it. I just opened up the .blend file of my body and of the orignal cbbe import side by side. then compared coordinates.

Everything but the texture on the new mesh faces is working correctly. (with the caveat that i only have femalebody_1.nif)

Edit: btw the vagina mesh is spliced into the body mesh (aka it's all one mesh). I was hoping this would make things work better?

elktrue · April 4, 2014

I got a bodyslide version working. It still has some texture problems and no weights, but the mesh shows like it should.

From the "readme"

This is currently very much an early work.

Here is a list of things that need improved.

To-Do

- UV Maping is incorrect, no textures show up on the altered part of the mesh.

- Bones NPC L Pussy1 and NPC R Pussy1 need weighted still, but they should work.

- Bones NPC L Pussy2 and NPC R Pussy2 are outside of the mesh,

this could be fixed with skeleton changes but then there would be less compatability.

- BBP, TBBP, HDT, and Pregnancy support should all be possible through copying weights from

other meshes and/or creating conversions. But I haven't done this yet.

What I need help with

-UV Maping

-Pussy weights

-Possible skeleton changes

-Compability info (a.k.a. what should I do for maximum compatability)