[WIP] Skyrim Slavers Guild

[zaraia]

How about instead of making a new artifact add this ability to Clavicus's mask that is already a part of vanilla skyrim. also Kraxon i think DocClox meant that the mask can be removed by you but if someone else removes it it causes the shame and loss of pride.

 

Well the masque of Clavicus doesn't really look very fitting for that purpose. And it covers the mouth.

 

Also I'd say removing the mask while someone sees you would have the same effect as it being ripped off.

[DocClox]

How about instead of making a new artifact add this ability to Clavicus's mask that is already a part of vanilla skyrim. also Kraxon i think DocClox meant that the mask can be removed by you but if someone else removes it it causes the shame and loss of pride.

 

Well the masque of Clavicus doesn't really look very fitting for that purpose. And it covers the mouth.

 

Also I'd say removing the mask while someone sees you would have the same effect as it being ripped off.

 

Yeah, that'd be my take. Take it off unobserved and there's no problem. Remove it when there's people to see, or have it stripped from you and WHAM!

 

We could make this the masque of cv if we allow that the mask has two forms: not too far a stretch considering Barbas' known shapeshifting. So you'd be given the chance to trade (a very CV trait) the original mask for a half-face masquerade mask. If you do that, you lose the benefits of CV's mask (which probably wasn't much use to you at this point) and gain the benefits of the OTHER mask of CV.

 

I could imagine the second mask as an elegant masquerade domino, Probably jeweled, possibly on a stick. It'd be be a pain to model though.

[Kraxon]

How about making it an amulet with a big fancy stone. "Amulet of Clavicus Vile" if you want. The idea behind it: Everyone but the wearer is so fascinated by the stone, that they can't focus on the wearers identity, or what he is doing.

Possibly you could make NPC want to rip the stone away because it is so shiny. That way you wouldn't have to tinker with the mask, and you could still see the characters face.

 

EDIT: Or make it jeweled bodychains, when we're at it already.

[00ptic]

I would make it a mask like Robin's. It's basically just some fancy eyewear, but it apparently keeps his identity hidden.

[DocClox]

I would make it a mask like Robin's. It's basically just some fancy eyewear' date=' but it apparently keeps his identity hidden.

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Exactly! The entire point of the masquerade masks was that they allowed the participants what we would now call "plasible deniability" while still allowing them to get up to all manner of scandalous behavior.

 

This mask isn't going to hide anyone's identity - it just provides a social context where being a slut is if not acceptable, at least forgivable.

 

It also means that crimes of larceny and violence are prosecuted normally. It might be rude to comment the sexual activities of a lady when her identity was so stylishly (and minimally) hidden, but that doesn't mean it'll shield her from the consequenes of murder and robbery.

[00ptic]

Just read about Argonian Bob. I'm going to marry him in-game.

[zaraia]

I could imagine the second mask as an elegant masquerade domino' date=' Probably jeweled, possibly on a stick. It'd be be a pain to model though.

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Yes that's exactly how I pictured it. Without a stick though, I wouldn't want her to have to hold it up all the time.

 

And yes it'd take some very good modelling.

[DocClox]

Just read about Argonian Bob. I'm going to marry him in-game.

 

Hahahaa!

 

You know' date=' I can't see a single reason why he shouldn't be added to the can-be-married list. That's one union that ought to come with some non-standard benefits...

 

Yes that's exactly how I pictured it. Without a stick though, I wouldn't want her to have to hold it up all the time.

 

I think beyond a certain point, it's enough that it's "in your possession", loosely speaking. I mean everyone already knows who you are. Or everyone that matters, anyway. It's just that it would be the height of bad manners to point it out while you had such a plausible alibi.

 

On the other hand, having it on the far side of the ballroom while you fucked the whole of the Jarl's first brigade of cavalry at a formal reception at the Blue Palace ... that would probably make it too easy to take it away from you.

 

So yeah, stick-ons are probably best in this case.

 

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combining posts to avoid the double post

[00ptic]

"Wait, aren't you...?"

 

"You're making a mistake..."

 

"There's no mistake mam, you're wanted for the seducing and fucking of ALL the guards on duty last night."

 

"You must have me confused with that other person. They clearly wore a mask, and I do not."

 

"That's sound logic. Thank you for your time"

 

I will so get that mask.

 

Next thing you know you can wear it to hide the fact that you have just transformed into a werewolf.

[threeddd33]

I would make it a mask like Robin's. It's basically just some fancy eyewear' date=' but it apparently keeps his identity hidden.

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Hey, if a pair of glasses and parting his hair on the opposite side works for Clark Kent..... your identity is definitely safe with a cat burglar mask.

 

[DocClox]

"Wait' date=' aren't you...?"

 

"You're making a mistake..."

 

"There's no mistake mam, you're wanted for the seducing and fucking of ALL the guards on duty last night."

 

"You must have me confused with that other person. They clearly wore a mask, and I do not."

 

"That's sound logic. Thank you for your time"

 

I will so get that mask.

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Hahaha!

 

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Of course, the interesting question here is: what kind of a deal will you have to make with CV in order to get the mask in the first place? If we consider prostitution as falling within CV's remit, then it's probably going to involve whores in some way. And it needs to be set up so that a female player could do the whoring, but a male player (or the owner of a female one) could satisfy the requirements by whoring someone else.

 

The next questions are "where" and "why", I suppose.

 

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There is this Michael Shea story where a wizard is given the task of overseeing the sale of a whorehouse. Apparently the buyer wants to just cut it loose from the land and move it to a new location. The whores are unhappy about this, because they are being sold with the house, and they rather suspect that they're being sold to Hell. Quite correctly, as it turns out.

 

Maybe something along those lines. Do it on a creeping contract basis. CV has an obligation to fulfil from a prior deal, and he needs to provide some professional ladies for a certain function. Now if you'll agree to take on the obligation personally, he might have a useful little trinket in exchange. Of course, the fact that the function is being held on a plane of Oblivion isn't made clear to begin with, and when it is, you're bound to fulfil the contract or suffer eternal torments of some kind.

 

For added fun, we can arrange somehow that the player turns up one girl short of the number agreed, and where can you possibly find a replacement with the festivities due to start at any minute...?

 

Probably require too much modelling to make it work, though. Maybe come back to this one if we get some suitable props and monsters for a deadric court.

 

Next thing you know you can wear it to hide the fact that you have just transformed into a werewolf.

 

Well' date=' the guests at the blue palace would probably be to polite to mention the lycanthropy, but ripping out a housecarl's throat and devouring his entrails is probably going to attract comment, mask or no mask.

 

But I love the mental image of this great hulking werewolf sitting with legs crossed daintily, drinking tea and discussing the latest fashions coming out of Cyrodiil while wearing a tiny little domino mask.

 

Hey, if a pair of glasses and parting his hair on the opposite side works for Clark Kent..... your identity is definitely safe with a cat burglar mask.

 

A deadric cat burglar mask at that. Always assuming that the deadra have cats. Although if deadric cats are anything like our cats, the cats probably have the deadra ...

 

 

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Put another chunk of Falcedon Valerius up on the wiki. In the CK I have Bonny Teja (keeling naked for the time being) responding to activations by the player. I just need to make the debug box into a dialog/choice prompt and I can think about letting folks see what I've been up to.

[zaraia]

For added fun' date=' we can arrange somehow that the player turns up one girl short of the number agreed, and where can you [i']possibly[/i] find a replacement with the festivities due to start at any minute...?

 

Nice . We definitely need that quest.

 

As for the modelling, planes of Oblivion can contain pretty much anything the daedra decide, so it wouldn't necessarily have to be too outlandish.

[00ptic]

If you fail to either be prepared with back-ups, or finding the girl at the last minute, what do you think he would do?

[DocClox]

Nice . We definitely need that quest.

 

Well' date=' usual disclaimers apply, but it does sound like a fun one.

 

As for the modelling, planes of Oblivion can contain pretty much anything the daedra decide, so it wouldn't necessarily have to be too outlandish.

 

Well true enough. On the other hand, there's little fun in making anyone offer their body at one of Sanguine's Misty Grove office parties. I mean we could have done that on Nirn!

 

I think we want either a hostile or threatening environment, or else some truly repulsive clients. Granted there's the ritual public humiliation aspect, but if we're going to Oblivion we should do things we can't do at home. Same as any holiday trip.

 

Personally, I'd favour the debt being paid to either Molag Bal or to Namira. Namira, probably. You could have a bed of slime and maggots to fuck in. That's assuming the maggots weren't your clients.

 

If you fail to either be prepared with back-ups' date=' or finding the girl at the last minute, what do you think he would do?

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Well, for a female Dragonborn, the simplest approach would be to take the place of the missing girl. For a guy ... I always fancied taming one of those Dremora bitches; maybe there's a way to force one of them to step into the role. The Dremora are all bound by ideas of honour and duty and rank... there's got to be a way to manipulate that to get one of them to do your bidding.

 

Failing that, you could default on the deal. In which case I probably would call game over/bad end. Or failing that, death at least

 

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Although I suppose we could be more subtle about it. Normally CV's traps would result in the ruin of his victim, but if you're playing a female PC with this mod, there's a fair chance your ruin has already been accomplished.

 

On the other hand, maybe we could curse the player so that pride losses were doubled, and gains were halved. Maybe have a weapon or ring that had that effect - and then give it into the hands of the player's enemies. Or her owner.

 

And if we're using Namira as CV's client, maybe some disfiguring disease, or a compulsion to roll in filth each day and then parade around filthy and naked...

 

Guys probably still get to die though ...

[zaraia]

Well true enough. On the other hand' date=' there's little fun in making anyone offer their body at one of Sanguine's Misty Grove office parties. I mean we could have done [i']that[/i] on Nirn!

 

I think we want either a hostile or threatening environment, or else some truly repulsive clients. Granted there's the ritual public humiliation aspect, but if we're going to Oblivion we should do things we can't do at home. Same as any holiday trip.

 

Personally, I'd favour the debt being paid to either Molag Bal or to Namira. Namira, probably. You could have a bed of slime and maggots to fuck in. That's assuming the maggots weren't your clients.

 

Well I agree, if it's feasible that would be the most fun. I'd imagine it all to be quite horrifying, and perhaps end rather badly for the girls used (maybe this could be the time for some dolcett). Though maybe not for the female PC if she's being extra nice.

 

[edit]If we're actually going to assemble a unique world space for this with things that don't appear anywhere in Skyrim, I'd imagine we'd want to make the most use of it. Perhaps a week-long feast of fucking and eating and the occasional killing.

[DocClox]

Well I agree' date=' if it's feasible that would be the most fun. I'd imagine it all to be quite horrifying, and perhaps end rather badly for the girls used (maybe this could be the time for some dolcett). Though maybe not for the female PC if she's being extra nice.

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You're determined to get me thinking "guro", aren't you?

 

That said, I can't fault your analysis. Maybe the least-work way of doing this is the Molag Bal route. His realm looks like a devastated version of Nirn, so we already have the basics in place, and the disincentives are fairly clear: plain old brutality and maybe (as mentioned earlier) a curse that increses pride losses and reduces pride gains. And that's just if you fulfil the contract. If you lose the penalties are more severe.

 

[edit]If we're actually going to assemble a unique world space for this with things that don't appear anywhere in Skyrim' date=' I'd imagine we'd want to make the most use of it. Perhaps a week-long feast of fucking and eating and the occasional killing.

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Hell yeah. We could do a holiday in hell special. Bundle up all the slaver deadric quests in one maybe. A grand ball where they're all invited could be a good lead in. Sanguine's hosting, so we get to use the Misty Grove kit, and because it's sanguine he contracted CV to supply the pussy. But all the princes have invites and you'd have to deal with all of them at some point.

 

Trouble is, again, that it'd work out almost as big as the rest of the mod. Which isn't to say we shouldn't do it, of course...

 

[Draxus]

And on that note, how IS the rest of the mod going? Are you updating it in the wiki or have you just been busy atm (i know you sadi yuo have stuff on)? I LOVE this Daedric idea, and Dremora taming. man this mod is gonna be the best thing skyrim is going to recieve. Just everything haha.

 

Is there a base mod that is being created/has been created and needs porting that you are going to use for the sex? I'm a total noob when it comes to programming so im not really sure how this is all going to work ^.^

[WitchGirl]

Oh that reminds me, I thought about a couple of things that I think were mentioned before, and you wanted a dwarven-sphere woman to demonstrate the orders the dwarven enslaving machine was supposed to teach new comer slaves. I was thinking that instead of using a custom model custom texture machine for this, why not use a ghost? Maybe even make them into a character "The Ghost of The Dastard: A slave who was so bound to the dastard that she could not be made to leave even by death." Or something along those lines.

 

My other thought was, you were thinking about how to do a control thing for male PCs to take over female NPCs and while I don't have anything helpful things to say about how that could be done technically, I was thinking maybe an item that would basically be the control stick could be the Seal of Molag Bal ya'know a little stamp that allows the user to completely 'dominate' the subject. You use the stamp to lay the emblem of Molag Bal onto the body of the individual you wish to dominate, and you retain complete control of them. Though in true Daedric fashion your body is left soulless and vulnerable, in addition should the seal become smudged, scuffed, or otherwise fouled, the spell breaks and you're catapulted back into your natural corporal form, for this reason most users choose to stamp the emblem on the subject's forehead or lower back rather than hand or someplace that it could become disturbed. Permanent branding can be done by heating the Seal so it scars the subject, but such action permanently places the users soul in the subject's body leaving their natural body to wither and rot without a soul.

 

I was thinking the Seal could be in possession of some pseudo-immortal character who's been using it to jump from old-body to young-body for both fun & profit.

[Qube]

 

Could be nice to have the PC gagged if she complains too much as well. And/or spanked if she runs off and doesn't come when called.

 

 

Honestly, the way my char tends to wander around looking for things to pick up to sell...well, she wouldn't sit for weeks 'cuz the one she escapes with would get fed up waiting for her. Heh.

[00ptic]

Oh yeah I forgot to ask. Did we ever find a way to add additional equip slots for things like gags/slave collars?

[DocClox]

And on that note' date=' how IS the rest of the mod going? Are you updating it in the wiki or have you just been busy atm (i know you sadi yuo have stuff on)? I LOVE this Daedric idea, and Dremora taming. man this mod is gonna be the best thing skyrim is going to recieve. Just everything haha.

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Hard at work. I have the basic layout for the first quest dungeon complete. It needs some work in terms of navmesh, a few more bandits and a bit more clutter, but basically it's usable.

 

I'm currently working on the message boxes that tempt the player to rape Teija rather than freeing her.

 

There's a page on the wiki under "Implementation Details" that ought to have what everyone is currently up to on it. Speaking of which: if you're reading this and you're doing some work for the mod,

 

Is there a base mod that is being created/has been created and needs porting that you are going to use for the sex? I'm a total noob when it comes to programming so im not really sure how this is all going to work ^.^

 

Planning to use BlueSky for the sex. We may end up needing fade-to-black for a while if the idle animation problem turns out to be as apocalyptic as some people think. I doubt it'll be for too long if so.

 

Oh that reminds me' date=' I thought about a couple of things that I think were mentioned before, and you wanted a dwarven-sphere woman to demonstrate the orders the dwarven enslaving machine was supposed to teach new comer slaves. I was thinking that instead of using a custom model custom texture machine for this, why not use a ghost? Maybe even make them into a character "The Ghost of The Dastard: A slave who was so bound to the dastard that she could not be made to leave even by death." Or something along those lines.

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Mmmm... she'd need to be in several places at once though. And doing several different things. The Ghost of the Dastard is a ncie idea, but having lots of them dilutes it a bit. I do like the "Ghost In The Machine" subtext, but the thought of Dwemer literally programming ghosts into their machines ... I can't quite make myself believe it.

 

Which isn't to say the Dastard mightn't be haunted. It could give the player something else to investigate in her free time. Have her first show up as a distant blue glow in the darkness. Could maybe give the ghost the appearance that the player will eventually have, before the transformations start.

 

Still, the ghost effect would be useful for the demo robot. Tint it gold instead of blue and maybe mark some sections of the mesh as transparent, so we get a figure made up of disconnected surfaces, a bit like the spheres only insubstantial and without connecting rods inside.

 

My other thought was' date=' you were thinking about how to do a control thing for male PCs to take over female NPCs and while I don't have anything helpful things to say about how that could be done technically, I was thinking maybe an item that would basically be the control stick could be the Seal of Molag Bal ya'know a little stamp that allows the user to completely 'dominate' the subject. You use the stamp to lay the emblem of Molag Bal onto the body of the individual you wish to dominate, and you retain complete control of them. Though in true Daedric fashion your body is left soulless and vulnerable, in addition should the seal become smudged, scuffed, or otherwise fouled, the spell breaks and you're catapulted back into your natural corporal form, for this reason most users choose to stamp the emblem on the subject's forehead or lower back rather than hand or someplace that it could become disturbed. Permanent branding can be done by heating the Seal so it scars the subject, but such action permanently places the users soul in the subject's body leaving their natural body to wither and rot without a soul.

 

Another nice idea, although the body jumping immortal sounds like a quest line all by himself if done properly.

 

I love the idea of the Seal of Molag Bal though. I imagine it as giving deadric tramp-stamps. I think I'd be tempted to make it do something a bit simpler. Like maybe prevent a slave from ever regaining pride/willpower. You could only use it on a slave that had submitted absolutely: -100 before any modifiers are taken into account. But once applied, that -100 becomes set in stone. Might maybe allow her to regain pride with respect to the outside world, but she'd never be able to rebel against her master.

 

Of course, we'd then need some quest to allow stamped PCs to wriggle out anyway. Which would probably result in her being enslaved to the mage who was supposed to be helping her, and a lot of quests that don't particularly seem to be helping remove the stamp... and that's also a lot of work.

 

Something to think about

 

Honestly' date=' the way my char tends to wander around looking for things to pick up to sell...well, she wouldn't sit for weeks 'cuz the one she escapes with would get fed up waiting for her. Heh.

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Yep, I can see your char being put of a leash fairly quickly. Although she'd still get a chance to run away and hide when the fighting started.

 

Oh yeah I forgot to ask. Did we ever find a way to add additional equip slots for things like gags/slave collars?

 

Not sure. The node IDs exist it seems' date=' but people have had problems equipping items onto them. I'm watching the progress with interest, shall we say

 

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Well, that's the "temptation cascade" working. Now I need a fade to black, spawn for Enarys and I'm ready to show you something.

[samuelk5]

Could you let us know when the first WIP file is available?

[Rushman93]

These gags and collars you speak of would be modern ones or they would be cloth tied around the mouth and chains? Just wondering because I think it would be nicer if it was something that wouldnt break the immersion in Skyrim.

[Feng]

These gags and collars you speak of would be modern ones or they would be cloth tied around the mouth and chains? Just wondering because I think it would be nicer if it was something that wouldnt break the immersion in Skyrim.

 

Well if you look at what kind of weirdass looking stuff you can craft there should be no problems with good looking collars and ballgags.

[zaraia]

I love the idea of the Seal of Molag Bal though. I imagine it as giving deadric tramp-stamps. I think I'd be tempted to make it do something a bit simpler. Like maybe prevent a slave from ever regaining pride/willpower. You could only use it on a slave that had submitted absolutely: -100 before any modifiers are taken into account. But once applied' date=' that -100 becomes set in stone. Might maybe allow her to regain pride with respect to the outside world, but she'd never be able to rebel against her master.

 

Of course, we'd then need some quest to allow stamped PCs to wriggle out anyway. Which would probably result in her being enslaved to the mage who was supposed to be helping her, and a lot of quests that don't particularly seem to be helping remove the stamp... and that's also a lot of work.

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I support this (as you probably would have guessed ).

 

 

Could you let us know when the first WIP file is available?

 

It'll be in this thread.

 

These gags and collars you speak of would be modern ones or they would be cloth tied around the mouth and chains? Just wondering because I think it would be nicer if it was something that wouldnt break the immersion in Skyrim.

 

Everything will be as immersive and lore-friendly as possible. Restraints would be made of rope, leather, iron or steel, see http://skyrimslavers.wikia.com/wiki/Items