ousnius Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 This is also why I'm still a bit confused as to who the outfit studio is designed for: its functionalities are too limited for modders, yet it poses too steep a learning curve for typical users, so I'm not sure how many of the 'advanced users' there are who will benefit from the tool. Pretty simple: 1.) Users that don't own or want to learn Blender/3ds/Maya/Mudbox/whatever for whatever reason. Of course Outfit Studio also has a learning curve, but way smaller than the ones these programs have, especially with the hassle of NIF im-/export. 2.) The program wasn't made for creating armors, making texture/UV-edits or adding/removing vertices. Its sole purpose (at least for now) is to make it possible, with a learning curve as small as can be (which is hard to do with Skyrim's engine and the "complex" NIF files), for anyone to convert outfits between body types and/or make small shape edits - or add BodySlide support. 3.) You do have creative freedom in Outfit Studio (editing the weight painting, shaping stuff with the brushes, etc.). Barely any conversions involve UV edits or new bakes. Not all beginners will be able to achieve something - but way more than before when all they had for free was Blender and some unfinished NIF support. All Outfit Studio can't do is removing/adding vertices (you can remove vertices through BodySlide with ZAP sliders though) and adjusting the UV mapping, but that wasn't its purpose in the first place.
Guest Xxxxxxxx4688 Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Switched over to CBBE and found out that it has way more variety in body forms and stuff. Especially like all the more petite options.
SheepishNudist Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I've been wanting to switch over to CBBE from UNP since Bodyslide2 came out, but so far, as far as I can tell, it just doesn't support the vanilla armours yet. Caliente Vanilla Outfits is not updated, and the other, non-skimpy mods have errors that make me want to wait until Caliente is finished updating. Until then I'll stick with UNP.
hryh23k9823u Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Some has said, most people just download with NMM and play. That is a point, same to say 'why people still uses NMM (or manual installation) being Mod Organizer vastly superior'? Well same with Bodyslide. Most people just wants a naked body. Some people knows better and makes their own body. Simply. Other has said there's no vanilla armors for Bodyslide... Though there are like 300 diferents vanilla sets with bodyslide (several skimpy replacers, vanilla non-skimpy, pregnancy, non pregnancy, tbbp, bbp, non bbp...), including all dlc's... And that was before outfit studio. Since outfit studio came out, I've seen more bodyslide armors and clothes conversions than outfits converted by 'true moders' (dafuq?) into the statics body types (unp's and sevenbases) in months... Someone have even said that there aren't a lot of bodyslide armors. Such BS. Well, same shit as why people still uses NMM: they have internet and access into information, but they don't know how propertly make use of it to search or just dont care enough. And it's pretty normal, it's like asking why people still like porn over skyrim...
SheepishNudist Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Some has said, most people just download with NMM and play. That is a point, same to say 'why people still uses NMM (or manual installation) being Mod Organizer vastly superior'? Well same with Bodyslide. Most people just wants a naked body. Some people knows better and makes their own body. Simply. Other has said there's no vanilla armors for Bodyslide... Though there are like 300 diferents vanilla sets with bodyslide (several skimpy replacers, vanilla non-skimpy, pregnancy, non pregnancy, tbbp, bbp, non bbp...), including all dlc's... And that was before outfit studio. Since outfit studio came out, I've seen more bodyslide armors and clothes conversions than outfits converted by 'true moders' (dafuq?) into the statics body types (unp's and sevenbases) in months... Someone have even said that there aren't a lot of bodyslide armors. Such BS. Well, same shit as why people still uses NMM: they have internet and access into information, but they don't know how propertly make use of it to search or just dont care enough. And it's pretty normal, it's like asking why people still like porn over skyrim... I'm not certain where you're getting the "like 300" number from. I'm quite capable of searching, and I have. For example, there's Caliente's Vanilla Outfits, which doesn't contain all of the armour in the game. There's OCR, which is precisely what I want, but only for clothing. Finally, there's Bodyslide Add-ons Vanilla, which seems to contain almost all of the armours not contained in Caliente's pack, but which has plenty of clipping issues that I don't have right now sticking with UNP. There are conversions here and there in the forums, of course. I don't feel like having a game full of women in non-functional, bikini armour, so that leaves out Killer Keo, Mak07, and almost every other major set of armour conversions. There are a lot of Bodyslide armours, but, as I previously stated, there doesn't seem to be a complete set that doesn't have clipping issues or corrupted NIFs. I'm happy to be proven wrong. I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm just answering the question posed by the thread.
Tortex Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I don't see much point in UNP or the others when you can make whatever body you want, and the armor to match with Bodyslide. CBBE itself is moot with Bodyslide's ease of use.
hryh23k9823u Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I'm not certain where you're getting the "like 300" number from. I'm quite capable of searching, and I have. For example, there's Caliente's Vanilla Outfits, which doesn't contain all of the armour in the game. There's OCR, which is precisely what I want, but only for clothing. Finally, there's Bodyslide Add-ons Vanilla, which seems to contain almost all of the armours not contained in Caliente's pack, but which has plenty of clipping issues that I don't have right now sticking with UNP. There are conversions here and there in the forums, of course. I don't feel like having a game full of women in non-functional, bikini armour, so that leaves out Killer Keo, Mak07, and almost every other major set of armour conversions. There are a lot of Bodyslide armours, but, as I previously stated, there doesn't seem to be a complete set that doesn't have clipping issues or corrupted NIFs. I'm happy to be proven wrong. I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm just answering the question posed by the thread. Well my 'confrontation' was more refered to other poster that said there isn't more than 12 bodyslide outfits or something like that, sorry for putting your previous comment inside that ;o Err what is OCR? As for purely non revealing vanilla set, uhm, maybe this one? It includes pregnancy support for mods that triggers that effect. However you're right that certainly non pornographic armors aren't quite the priority for people making stuff for bodyslide ^^; (for me Mak's and Tera armors are my 90% of reasons to use cb bodyslide...)
ElectricSheep Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I use neither CBBE or UNP - same goes for all the strangely named variations of said bodies. Why not CBBE -- as that's the question this discussion circles around -- when there's bodyslide and whatever-studio? Simply put: because it's damn ugly; blocky and featureless, reminds me of the Mokujin character from Tekken rather than a woman. So what's here to get (~understand) or not to get?
hryh23k9823u Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I use neither CBBE or UNP - same goes for all the strangely named variations of said bodies. Why not CBBE -- as that's the question this discussion circles around -- when there's bodyslide and whatever-studio? Simply put: because it's damn ugly; blocky and featureless, reminds me of the Mokujin character from Tekken rather than a woman. So what's here to get (~understand) or not to get? 2/10 Like for remind me the times when we had to use 'No more blocky faces' How bad was skyrim when it was released
SheepishNudist Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I'm not certain where you're getting the "like 300" number from. I'm quite capable of searching, and I have. For example, there's Caliente's Vanilla Outfits, which doesn't contain all of the armour in the game. There's OCR, which is precisely what I want, but only for clothing. Finally, there's Bodyslide Add-ons Vanilla, which seems to contain almost all of the armours not contained in Caliente's pack, but which has plenty of clipping issues that I don't have right now sticking with UNP. There are conversions here and there in the forums, of course. I don't feel like having a game full of women in non-functional, bikini armour, so that leaves out Killer Keo, Mak07, and almost every other major set of armour conversions. There are a lot of Bodyslide armours, but, as I previously stated, there doesn't seem to be a complete set that doesn't have clipping issues or corrupted NIFs. I'm happy to be proven wrong. I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm just answering the question posed by the thread. Well my 'confrontation' was more refered to other poster that said there isn't more than 12 bodyslide outfits or something like that, sorry for putting your previous comment inside that ;o Err what is OCR? As for purely non revealing vanilla set, uhm, maybe this one? It includes pregnancy support for mods that triggers that effect. However you're right that certainly non pornographic armors aren't quite the priority for people making stuff for bodyslide ^^; (for me Mak's and Tera armors are my 90% of reasons to use cb bodyslide...) Thanks for the link! I hadn't noticed those conversions. This is OCR: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/49286/?
Ulfric von Skyrim Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Why do I like UNP and 7Base and ADEC and blahblahblah-because they are sexy.
Guest Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I don't see much point in UNP or the others when you can make whatever body you want, and the armor to match with Bodyslide. CBBE itself is moot with Bodyslide's ease of use. Well many of the comments in this very thread might give you a better insight for why. Not much point for you perhaps, but for some of us BodySlide wasn't enough of an inducement to stick with CBBE. If I could see a dazzling variation of body types in the various screenshot threads here I could maybe start to understand why some of you guys refuse to acknowledge perfectly rational reasons for not using CBBE despite BodySlide. But with a few notable exceptions (usually extremes of scale - Rubenesque chubsters or stick thin lolitas) mostly all I see are wasp waisted, big bottomed, heavy breasted (so hour glass then) fantasy babes bursting out of their bikinis but with a slight difference in nipple direction. Nothing wrong with that, I'm a fan myself. But it does kind of remind me of Infinite Monkey Theorem just a bit.
Sabres Posted January 22, 2014 Author Posted January 22, 2014 It's like ordering a pizza with nothing on it, just to put toppings on it when it gets to your house. Fuck, pay the extra $1.50 for double cheese if you want it. That's ok if you want the same pizza from every pizza place in town. IE: every NPC with the same body.... Post a pic of a UNP body with your best texture and I can match it with CBBE in bodyslide. I can not only match it I can make 500 versions of it lol. Extra verts or not, who stops and stairs at their character all day to see very little sharp edges? Especially with armor on....
Sabres Posted January 22, 2014 Author Posted January 22, 2014 Well, it all depends on the situation. You can get away with a lot of things when playing at, say, 1080p, but when playing at 4k resolution, things that would otherwise look decent suddenly look terrible. For instance, the vanilla daedric armor, with bethesda's 2k texture, rendered at 4k w/o downsampling: The shoddiness of the mesh/textures show right through, and it's just not very pleasant, which is why I always opt for the best possible quality: Same distance from the body as the daedric armor above: Even closer shot, w/o any noticeable blockiness/aliasing (except for jpeg compression artifacts): Again, it's just a matter of personal choice. Do I need 8k skin textures instead of 4k? Definitely not. But do I want it? Of course. off topic but tell me that armor and tell me its for CBBE lol
Guest Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 This is also why I'm still a bit confused as to who the outfit studio is designed for: its functionalities are too limited for modders, yet it poses too steep a learning curve for typical users, so I'm not sure how many of the 'advanced users' there are who will benefit from the tool. No disrespect but I think you might be quite seriously underestimating the typical user, or maybe that needs to be defined. I'd say I'm a typical consumer, I don't create things I just download and install them using a mod organizer. And I've been merrily applying TBBP to the mass of armors I've collected that were begging for it, and I've been spot fixing little clipping issues that have bugged me for ages, and I've made the odd satisfactory conversion from UNPB to 7B....none of this would I have done without OS. I think perhaps you're not able to appreciate how liberating OS is for those of us who don't have a clue about Maya, or Blender or 3DSMax, because you do know about all that stuff. OS gives us less clued up consumers just a little bit more autonomy.
Guest Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Extra verts or not, who stops and stairs at their character all day to see very little sharp edges? Especially with armor on.... No offence Sabres but you seem to have a knack for asking really loaded questions, and the ability to ignore any answers that don't agree with you. Who stops and stares at their character with no armor on? Like, 99.9% of LL do I'd say.
ElectricSheep Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Why installing a nude mod at all if you don't care how your char looks undressed? I guess some ppl just can't get over that one may dislike what they like, hence the need to convince themselves that any alternative is stupid. In other words: if you use something else than CBBE and OS you're just dumb and don't know shit.
Redflyingmonkey Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 No hope for this topic anymore, just close it ...
nunu87 Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 To reply topic, i recently switch from CBBE+ body i made with bodyslider to UNPBO from here : http://www.loverslab.com/topic/23723-unpbo-oppai-7b-oppai-tbbpbbp-last-updated-12114/ Now i just hope the support for bodyslide and pregnant scaling skeleton will be possible asap and i'll be set for a long time i think ! I really wish to test the new pregnant mod "being female" with it and modify it a bit with bodyslide.
bob11 Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 To reply topic, i recently switch from CBBE+ body i made with bodyslider to UNPBO from here : http://www.loverslab.com/topic/23723-unpbo-oppai-7b-oppai-tbbpbbp-last-updated-12114/ Now i just hope the support for bodyslide and pregnant scaling skeleton will be possible asap and i'll be set for a long time i think ! I really wish to test the new pregnant mod "being female" with it and modify it a bit with bodyslide. I used Outfit Studio to copy weight from b3lisario's UNPB to a 7base body as a test for one follower mod that came with just 7base. The results are satisfactory, although not being able to tweak the body itself means it could have been better. Not sure if I can use a CBBE reference and make it conform to the sliders so I can edit it, but the weight painting works so it should work with UNPBO.
nunu87 Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Hey Bob, Thx for the info, i wish i can do it myself and not always being only a simple user... Did you test the 7B-O Prego Beta Test from the UNPBO topic creator ?
Ryu Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Hey Bob, Thx for the info, i wish i can do it myself and not always being only a simple user... Did you test the 7B-O Prego Beta Test from the UNPBO topic creator ? Being a simple user is not always bad, it just makes life easier . Also, Bodyslide2 + Outfit Studio will most likely never allow for 100% clean conversions due to the huge variety of body mods and the fact that you often need to manually tweak meshes for clipping once you look at them in-game. From personal experience I can tell you that no amount of moving skeleton bones will help you - some things just need to be put to practice .
bob11 Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Hey Bob, Thx for the info, i wish i can do it myself and not always being only a simple user... Did you test the 7B-O Prego Beta Test from the UNPBO topic creator ? I told him it was possible to do it through Outfit Studio, that's why he released the beta. Haven't tried it though because I assumed he used the same method xP
nunu87 Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Ok thx, i'll give a try then and test myself with b3lisario's UNPB skeleton and one prego mod.
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