forced feminization TGQM

[MadAl777]

Stay tuned! An update is coming!

[Gungar13]

so how do i start this "quest" who is lim or more importantly where are they, lol. i have no idea where to go.

 

[KentuckyExpat]

17 hours ago, Gungar13 said:

so how do i start this "quest" who is lim or more importantly where are they, lol. i have no idea where to go.

 

She is in Riverwood at the inn.

[Gungar13]

Well she definitely isn't there for me, I guess something went wrong with my download. Maybe I'll try to adjust the most for my next playthrough.

[KentuckyExpat]

3 minutes ago, Gungar13 said:

Well she definitely isn't there for me, I guess something went wrong with my download. Maybe I'll try to adjust the most for my next playthrough.

Which version are you using? The current version (TGQM 1.3.5) is only for testing some new features, it's not actually playable, so to speak. Version 1.3.1 is the latest version that is playable.

[Gungar13]

5 hours ago, KentuckyExpat said:

Which version are you using? The current version (TGQM 1.3.5) is only for testing some new features, it's not actually playable, so to speak. Version 1.3.1 is the latest version that is playable.

Thaaaats probably it, I usually download the "latest version" of a mod by default assuming it's the most up to date, I'll check that tomorrow. And try to download it to see if it won't screw up my game that I'm in the middle of. I've had to restart so many times because I keep trying to fix mods, lol.

[KentuckyExpat]

9 hours ago, Gungar13 said:

Thaaaats probably it, I usually download the "latest version" of a mod by default assuming it's the most up to date, I'll check that tomorrow. And try to download it to see if it won't screw up my game that I'm in the middle of. I've had to restart so many times because I keep trying to fix mods, lol.

Or you could wait for MadAl's latest update. He indicated a few days ago that a new version was about to drop. Of course, who knows what he considers to be "real soon now". 

[MadAl777]

IN THE NEW UPDATE I MOVED LIM TO ALCHEMIST SHACK (SEE SCREENSHOT) - FURTHER YOU WILL SEE IN DIALOGUES AND QUEST NEW GIRL

Sorry for the late, guys, been busy at work. So, here's an update!

Reworked first dialogues with Lim!

Added morph system for male character.

Now this mod requires HIMBO if you want to see morphs. thanks to KentuckyExpat for the idea!

Added more interactions with Lim when testing potions.

Quest The New Girl now leads to Riverwood (check it by yourselves!)

(the quest is shit for now idk what to add but I'll figure it out when I will understand how TNG works)

Planned: SL integration and aroused and TRX stuff

So don't worry guys, I'm here just a little busy.

Edited August 24, 2025 by MadAl777

[anonymous515]

3 hours ago, MadAl777 said:

IN THE NEW UPDATE I MOVED LIM TO ALCHEMIST SHACK (SEE SCREENSHOT) - FURTHER YOU WILL SEE IN DIALOGUES AND QUEST NEW GIRL

Sorry for the late, guys, been busy at work. So, here's an update!

Reworked first dialogues with Lim!

Added morph system for male character.

Now this mod requires HIMBO if you want to see morphs. thanks to KentuckyExpat for the idea!

Added more interactions with Lim when testing potions.

Quest The New Girl now leads to Riverwood (check it by yourselves!)

(the quest is shit for now idk what to add but I'll figure it out when I will understand how TNG works)

Planned: SL integration and aroused and TRX stuff

So don't worry guys, I'm here just a little busy.

 

Shack is empty, no NPCs inside in latest version:

[MadAl777]

1 hour ago, anonymous515 said:

 

Shack is empty, no NPCs inside in latest version:

hmm, not even near the alchemy station? and have you used previous versions of the mod?

[Skelletoncz]

Possible story version:
Lim wants revenge. She was wronged by a nobleman from Solitude. Or another city. To achieve this, she works with the Jarl of Winterholn. As an Alchemist, she has created a potion that can turn a strong man into a weak woman. She suggests using this on serious criminals. The Jarl agrees, but demands that everything be thoroughly tested before implementing it. To do this, Lim needs a volunteer. A strong man. Preferably a Dragoborn.

At the first meeting with the PC. She gives Lim a potion that will enhance his abilities. Later, she invites the PC to try out her other potions. But he must agree to be her test subject. And she demands that the PC give her written consent for the local Jarl.

The PC agrees and takes the document signed by him and Lim to the local administrator for verification and registration. In the meantime, Lim prepares a potion that will permanently turn the player into a weak woman. All stats are permanently reduced. Remove the penalty in male states with Lim's potions. But only for a certain time. In this way, the person changed can temporarily return their abilities to their original values. But they still remain in the body of a woman. Lim has a potion that temporarily changes the player back to a man. Which allows him to regain his original stats in abilities. Similar to how people change into Vampire Lords or Werewolves. But this can only be achieved after using Lim's potion. And it only works for a few hours. If in this form the player also uses her potions to increase stats. Then of course they increase the player's male stats.

Lim will offer potions that can temporarily return the player to a male form. Also potions to remove the negative effects of his abilities if he is a woman. But in exchange he must cooperate in testing his new female body. Finally, both Lim and the Jarl already have his written consent.

Ultimately, this potion can permanently turn men into weak women. And women into weak men. Lim's goal is to turn a strong noblewoman who has wronged her in the past into a weak and helpless woman. The Jarl sees this as an opportunity to deal with crime in his province.

For people who have requested a sex change, potions act as bonuses to their stats.
People who have undergone a sex change will have these potions cancel the penalty they received from their sex change.
If I also use the potion to return to their original sex. I also get bonuses from these potions.

But all of these potions have a limited duration of course....
Moreover, they are expensive and not easy to get. If you do not have permission from the Jarl or in the case of a player, you will not get them from Lim.

[KentuckyExpat]

Quick question, hope it's not a spoiler. Did you add Crimson Nirnroot to selected dungeons or do we need to go to Blackreach to get them? Hopefully the former as the latter involves a fairly long quest that not necessarily every player might be interested doing just to get to Blackreach and find the plants.

[KentuckyExpat]

Also, if the plants are in various dungeons, it would be helpful if somehow Lim or someone else (maybe one of the alchemists in the various cities) could give hints as to which dungeons might have one or more of the plants. It could be something as simple as a suggestion that the most likely dungeons would be where there are magic users or vampires. Of course, the Crimson Nirnroots would need to be there... 😘 

Edited August 26, 2025 by KentuckyExpat

[MadAl777]

8 minutes ago, KentuckyExpat said:

Also, if the plants are in various dungeons, it would be helpful if somehow Lim or someone else (maybe one of the alchemists in the various cities) could give hints as to which dungeons might have one or more of the plants. It could be something as simple as a suggestion that the most likely dungeons would be where there are magic users or vampires. Of course, the Crimson Nirnroots would need to be there... 😘 

The quest is like crap for me as I played this myself on tests - I want to rewrite it and leave only usual Nirnroots with new events on picking them up. But for now I kinda have lack of time because of the new job, so I will do it slowly but steadily.

[MadAl777]

21 hours ago, Skelletoncz said:

Possible story version:
Lim wants revenge. She was wronged by a nobleman from Solitude. Or another city. To achieve this, she works with the Jarl of Winterholn. As an Alchemist, she has created a potion that can turn a strong man into a weak woman. She suggests using this on serious criminals. The Jarl agrees, but demands that everything be thoroughly tested before implementing it. To do this, Lim needs a volunteer. A strong man. Preferably a Dragoborn.

At the first meeting with the PC. She gives Lim a potion that will enhance his abilities. Later, she invites the PC to try out her other potions. But he must agree to be her test subject. And she demands that the PC give her written consent for the local Jarl.

The PC agrees and takes the document signed by him and Lim to the local administrator for verification and registration. In the meantime, Lim prepares a potion that will permanently turn the player into a weak woman. All stats are permanently reduced. Remove the penalty in male states with Lim's potions. But only for a certain time. In this way, the person changed can temporarily return their abilities to their original values. But they still remain in the body of a woman. Lim has a potion that temporarily changes the player back to a man. Which allows him to regain his original stats in abilities. Similar to how people change into Vampire Lords or Werewolves. But this can only be achieved after using Lim's potion. And it only works for a few hours. If in this form the player also uses her potions to increase stats. Then of course they increase the player's male stats.

Lim will offer potions that can temporarily return the player to a male form. Also potions to remove the negative effects of his abilities if he is a woman. But in exchange he must cooperate in testing his new female body. Finally, both Lim and the Jarl already have his written consent.

Ultimately, this potion can permanently turn men into weak women. And women into weak men. Lim's goal is to turn a strong noblewoman who has wronged her in the past into a weak and helpless woman. The Jarl sees this as an opportunity to deal with crime in his province.

For people who have requested a sex change, potions act as bonuses to their stats.
People who have undergone a sex change will have these potions cancel the penalty they received from their sex change.
If I also use the potion to return to their original sex. I also get bonuses from these potions.

But all of these potions have a limited duration of course....
Moreover, they are expensive and not easy to get. If you do not have permission from the Jarl or in the case of a player, you will not get them from Lim.

Interesting idea but I think it could break some mods related with civil war (jarls will replace and to create two versions of the quest for each jarl is a mess I think) - but your idea on using potions on another NPC is interesting I will look up possibilities to implement it in the new rewritten quest.

[Skelletoncz]

1 hour ago, MadAl777 said:

Interesting idea but I think it could break some mods related with civil war (jarls will replace and to create two versions of the quest for each jarl is a mess I think) - but your idea on using potions on another NPC is interesting I will look up possibilities to implement it in the new rewritten quest.

 

I've played mods that took into account changing the city's ruler. (Public Whore.) I have no idea how complicated it is to program.
This is just a quick idea of mine. It's just an attempt at inspiration. Whatever you use from it will be your own credit. It's your mod. I personally look forward to its future development. 👍🙂

[MadAl777]

3 hours ago, Skelletoncz said:

 

I've played mods that took into account changing the city's ruler. (Public Whore.) I have no idea how complicated it is to program.
This is just a quick idea of mine. It's just an attempt at inspiration. Whatever you use from it will be your own credit. It's your mod. I personally look forward to its future development. 👍🙂

Thank you! Yes, for me the biggest problem is the logic “how to implement smth” for now. For example the initial dialogue with fem Lim is fine (I guess) after the update in terms of effects/features and choices, but New Girl quest is disappointing - I’ll look for the fresh ideas but I want keep it as more as possible compatible with other mods.

[KentuckyExpat]

Added the latest update (TGQM 1.5) to an existing save. PC went to the Alchemist's Shack near Ivarstead and met with Lim. The only dialogue line was the one about waiting until the effects of the potion was complete but the only potion the PC has taken was the strength one he got from Lim in the 1.31 version. Is this a problem or do I need to wait for some period of time before meeting again with Lim?

[MadAl777]

1 hour ago, KentuckyExpat said:

Added the latest update (TGQM 1.5) to an existing save. PC went to the Alchemist's Shack near Ivarstead and met with Lim. The only dialogue line was the one about waiting until the effects of the potion was complete but the only potion the PC has taken was the strength one he got from Lim in the 1.31 version. Is this a problem or do I need to wait for some period of time before meeting again with Lim?

It could be a problem - but you can try to check the stage of the TGQMLimFemDialogue quest (getStage TGQMLimFemDialogue) - if it's 30 - then add to your inventory throught console or additem Lim's Potion of Stamina and drink it and wait for 6 hours if it's 45 - add Magicka potion and do the same and if it's stage is 60 then add health potion and do the same. Otherwise I afraid you have to restart the save from the moment you haven't met Lim.

[MadAl777]

Status update: working on SL and Aroused integration (testing on SexLab+) maybe will work on legacy SL. Totally reworking The New Girl quest.

[KentuckyExpat]

1 hour ago, MadAl777 said:

Status update: working on SL and Aroused integration (testing on SexLab+) maybe will work on legacy SL. Totally reworking The New Girl quest.

If you plan to reuse the descriptive material in the "The New Girl" quest description you might want to make two changes. The sentence starting with 'Unfortunately' is in there twice. Another change you might consider - instead of saying the reverse potion was supposed to 'expel' the effects, use 'remove'. Expel implies some violence is taking place.

[MadAl777]

4 hours ago, KentuckyExpat said:

If you plan to reuse the descriptive material in the "The New Girl" quest description you might want to make two changes. The sentence starting with 'Unfortunately' is in there twice. Another change you might consider - instead of saying the reverse potion was supposed to 'expel' the effects, use 'remove'. Expel implies some violence is taking place.

Thanks for the clarification - I'll take this into account when I write revised dialogues.

For now, here's a small spoiler: the game will start taking into account whether the changed player had sexual experience in his new guise or not.

[KentuckyExpat]

10 hours ago, MadAl777 said:

Thanks for the clarification - I'll take this into account when I write revised dialogues.

For now, here's a small spoiler: the game will start taking into account whether the changed player had sexual experience in his new guise or not.

O-o-o! Interesting! So a player who has been changed and, following the change, has an active sex life, might find that the real reversal potion doesn't work. There's a kicker.

 

Suggestion - once the first potion has been imbibed and the PC has experienced the effects, when Lim asks him if he will try the second potion, he might say something like, "I feel strange. I know that it might be risky but I feel this overwhelming urge to take the next potion. Let me have it."  As dialogue, rather than narrative in a text box, it seems to me to be more immersive. YMMV

Edited August 29, 2025 by KentuckyExpat

[Skelletoncz]

Using HIMBO is a great idea. After including Aroused and SexLab, there could be gradual changes in body shape.
After using the first potion, the player starts to get more and more horny. This results in spontaneous masturbation that ends in a short unconsciousness. After waking up, the player finds that his body has changed slightly. And then he feels his hornyness increase again. The time between each masturbation with unconsciousness will increase. Until the player drinks another potion. After that, the timing is reset. The first potion affects only the hips. The second potion adds breasts.
The third potion first resets all morphs. Then it paralyzes the player.
Lim undresses the player and puts him on a bed in the Hut. Even though the player cannot move. Still, his body experiences one orgasm after another. And again his body changes. At the end, a racemenu opens and a complete gender change occurs.

The first masturbation will be a male animation. The next ones will be female. At the same time, the player realizes that instead of admiring a woman's hips and breasts, he starts to show them both. And during masturbation, he imagines how he would masturbate as a woman.

Again, this is just a thought.....

Edited August 30, 2025 by Skelletoncz

[KentuckyExpat]

19 minutes ago, Skelletoncz said:

Using HIMBO is a great idea. After including Aroused and SexLab, there could be gradual changes in body shape.
After using the first potion, the player starts to get more and more horny. This results in spontaneous masturbation that ends in a short unconsciousness. After waking up, the player finds that his body has changed slightly. And then he feels his hornyness increase again. The time between each masturbation with unconsciousness will increase. Until the player drinks another potion. After that, the timing is reset. The first potion affects only the hips. The second potion adds breasts.
The third potion first resets all morphs. Then it paralyzes the player.
Lim undresses the player and puts him on a bed in the Hut. Even though the player cannot move. Still, his body experiences one orgasm after another. And again his body changes. At the end, a racemenu opens and a complete gender change occurs.

The first masturbation will be a male animation. The next ones will be female. At the same time, the player realizes that instead of admiring a woman's hips and breasts, he starts to show them both. And during masturbation, he imagines how he would masturbate as a woman.

Again, this is just a thought.....

While I'm certainly not MadAl, 😘 I am curious about something you said. The line "At the same time, the player realizes that instead of admiring a woman's hips and breasts, he starts to show them both." What are you trying you say here?