SexLab Philia

[Papersword]

14 hours ago, gghhjj666 said:

Seems quite nice. I'll just have to wait and follow the mod till the possible OSL Aroused. I might have overlooked it while reading the description but does the mod do anything negative for not satisfying a philia, Like an increase in timerate or does it only ever lower the timerate?

 

You set a timerate multiplier in the MCM, then every day you'll tally up the satisfied vs unsatisfied Philia. That then gets sent as timerate after the multiplier. So three satisfied at a multiplier of 5 would be -15 timerate, three unsatisfied would be +15. 

[Papersword]

@ozooma10

 

Thank you for working towards compatibility with Philia

 

So the reason I had to hijack SLA's storageutil and faction for timerate was due to the SLA Framework Function for incremental timerate gain refusing to cooperate with me. The major problem was the Function asking for an aKRef as a target. It wouldn't accept an Actor (PlayerRef) as a valid input. Since SLA was built to handle the PC and NPCs it makes sense that all the code would be written to function with whomever was the activator (?). I'm honestly out of my depth when it comes to actually understanding how SLA works. If OSLA can have a function or is able to receive a modevent to increase timerate that I can use, that would solve the issue. Much like SLA has the ModExposure events that anyone can call.

 

I also have to ask, how are you storing the values for exposure and timerate? Through an SKSE solution? 

 

I've been spending some time playing with Philia, now that my illness has abated, so I am planning on getting an update going here fairly soon. A couple tweaks. I hope to implement a versioning and update script as well. 

[hoglin]

Some small feature suggestions.

1) Increase enjoyment gains for PC during SL scenes with actor that matches PC's philia tags.

2) Optional toggle: slightly increase exposure over time while PC has line of sight of an actor that matches PC's philia tags.

[Papersword]

5 hours ago, hoglin said:

Some small feature suggestions.

1) Increase enjoyment gains for PC during SL scenes with actor that matches PC's philia tags.

2) Optional toggle: slightly increase exposure over time while PC has line of sight of an actor that matches PC's philia tags.

 

I think I could get a handle on enjoyment during scenes. Especially when I update for SLP+. I believe Scrab has been making good progress on refining the whole system. Raising arousal in LOS might be a bit difficult though. Either need to use a cloak and maybe distribute keywords, or quest alias tomfoolery. Something I'm not proficient in. 

[om11nous]

do you have plan to add 'thoughts' to the mod? like the mod curruption display. when pc got philia on something and they don't get satisfact for sometime, there will be some text like 'i miss a argonian cock/ i m deseparate for some argonian to fuck me', and might also add some debuff for not satisfact?

[DarkRavage]

Necrophilia?

[om11nous]

Is there anyway to increase the timerate capacity? If a character get haunted by too many philia, might get into more frequent or constantly aroused, but current capacity 100 still feel too low

[Papersword]

On 1/26/2025 at 8:38 PM, om11nous said:

do you have plan to add 'thoughts' to the mod? like the mod curruption display. when pc got philia on something and they don't get satisfact for sometime, there will be some text like 'i miss a argonian cock/ i m deseparate for some argonian to fuck me', and might also add some debuff for not satisfact?

 

Yes, this was something I would like to map out in the future. I enjoy having erotic flavour text so I'll just have to come up with the way I want to implement it.

I don't think I lean on the side of adding any debuffs though. Usually just having high arousal will trigger "punishments" from other mods (DCL, Pheromones, Parasites, Ect.). I have also modified the ESP of my SLA to debuff magicka and stamina progressively as the "distracted" debuffs worsen,  

 

On 1/27/2025 at 6:04 PM, om11nous said:

Is there anyway to increase the timerate capacity? If a character get haunted by too many philia, might get into more frequent or constantly aroused, but current capacity 100 still feel too low

 

Without modifying SLA too much, I don't think so. I've gotten some further playtesting in. Not much since I'm back to work. But, I found that (in the SLA MCM) setting Timerate Decay to 10 days, Timerate gain (the amount you get for each sexual act) to 2 or 4 (this will become 4 or 8 actual timerate gained due to weirdness with TRDecay) and the Philia multiplier to 5 or 10. This means that Philias will still push up your timerate if unsatisfied, net push it down if satisfied, but still have timerate decay naturally. I think it works for a slow burn up and down. Otherwise, you can also turn off Timerate gain in the SLA MCM, so you never get TR from sexual acts. This will allow you to only ever get or lose TR with Philia. 

 

On 1/26/2025 at 9:14 PM, DarkRavage said:

Necrophilia?

 

I had considered it. I believe there is an okay amount of Animations to support it with BakaFactory's pack. 

Edited January 29, 2025 by Papersword

[DarkRavage]

On 1/29/2025 at 12:26 PM, Papersword said:

I had considered it. I believe there is an okay amount of Animations to support it with BakaFactory's pack. 

 

There are plenty of animations. FunnyBizness made lots of animation to support it. Would love to see this feature in this mod

[Papersword]

Hey, the start of 2025 has been very tough for me. I had hoped to get a bunch of updates out right after I uploaded the first version, but it seems not to be reasonable right now. I do think the version I made public is a working mod. And, I have quite a few ideas for what is next. I'm just not able to get to them at the moment. 

 

Spoiler below for personal soapboxing:

 

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Being sick for about a week and a half without getting paid leave from work really put me in a bad spot. I was barely able to make rent. Then my monitor decided it was time to die, and I just don't have the money to replace it right now. So it's been all about work the past few weeks. Hopefully after tax season I can get back on track. 

 

[SheaRosea]

18 hours ago, Papersword said:

Hey, the start of 2025 has been very tough for me. I had hoped to get a bunch of updates out right after I uploaded the first version, but it seems not to be reasonable right now. I do think the version I made public is a working mod. And, I have quite a few ideas for what is next. I'm just not able to get to them at the moment. 

 

Spoiler below for personal soapboxing:

 

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Being sick for about a week and a half without getting paid leave from work really put me in a bad spot. I was barely able to make rent. Then my monitor decided it was time to die, and I just don't have the money to replace it right now. So it's been all about work the past few weeks. Hopefully after tax season I can get back on track. 

 

Working great for me on AE! Hope you get to feeling better, sending good vibes ❤️

[Dakhma]

If you got somewhere to send support, drop a link!

[Papersword]

On 2/7/2025 at 8:42 PM, Dakhma said:

If you got somewhere to send support, drop a link!

 

Thank you for the sentiment, but I don't feel comfortable taking any donations unless I am able to make time for working on mods. ❤️

[smilyguy]

I've wanted something like this for a while, and you made it for me! Good stuff.

 

I'm definitely seconding the "thoughts" idea to indicate the player's state.

Edited February 26, 2025 by smilyguy

[vocal]

I know you are still busy, but just wanted to thank for ther mod and leave a little suggestion.

Any possibility you could check for schlong size and make a philia for it?

The logic being that after you get a taste for bigger ones, small ones don't satisfy you anymore.
This could also make so masturbation dosn't cut it anymore and barely removes arousal. 

 

I find that in most games, if you just masturbate, you can get rid of 99% of bad debuffs, high TR and any problems, so this would be a way to ensure masturbation is not a get out of jail free card everytime.

[effrenatus]

In your description: "but it didn't sit right with me that the mod leans the player either into never having sex to avoid penalty or just constantly being aroused."

That is very true and actually bothers me constantly. Mods make Arousal Level make a difference but it's always back to 100 within half a minute.

 

Should Philia replace SL Hormones?

 

I am using SLAX-ASA3 though and i really hope there will be compatibility or a patch one day.

[Papersword]

5 hours ago, effrenatus said:

In your description: "but it didn't sit right with me that the mod leans the player either into never having sex to avoid penalty or just constantly being aroused."

That is very true and actually bothers me constantly. Mods make Arousal Level make a difference but it's always back to 100 within half a minute.

 

Should Philia replace SL Hormones?

 

I am using SLAX-ASA3 though and i really hope there will be compatibility or a patch one day.

 

Hi ! My life is slowly reorganizing itself back into something resembling normalcy, so I have been thinking of picking the project back up. I'd like to have compatibility with all the branches of arousal mods out there. Personally, I have replaced Hormones in my own load order with Philia. Is sort of the reason I decided to attempt making it. At least the arousal sections of Hormones. I think Bluefrog makes amazing mods, but there's a bit too much going on with Hormones, and I like to adjust my body morphs as my playthrough goes on in a roleplay sort of way. 

 

My main issue with working on the mod is that I'm not playing Skyrim atm. My monitor is still broken, and I've ended a long term relationship, moved house, started drama at my work, been pulled into a warhammer league, and am a little bit of a mote floating in aetherius. Things should settle soon tho. 

Edited July 4, 2025 by Papersword

[Papersword]

On 4/15/2025 at 12:12 PM, vocal said:

I know you are still busy, but just wanted to thank for ther mod and leave a little suggestion.

Any possibility you could check for schlong size and make a philia for it?

The logic being that after you get a taste for bigger ones, small ones don't satisfy you anymore.
This could also make so masturbation dosn't cut it anymore and barely removes arousal. 

 

I find that in most games, if you just masturbate, you can get rid of 99% of bad debuffs, high TR and any problems, so this would be a way to ensure masturbation is not a get out of jail free card everytime.

 

Sorry for taking so long to respond 😔

 

I think there might be a way to enable a size based philia. I'd likely want to have the player manually enter what range they use in SoS to determine what counts as small or large. I use TRX's SoS addon with a slightly smaller, more slender, "piece" at low weight in the bodyslide and a thicker one at higher weights. Leaving SoS to default to 7 or some such. 

 

I hope that the way I set up Philia, masturbation shouldn't be a catch all for arousal now. In normal play, I usually add or allow masturbation to become a philia somewhat quickly to represent a budding sexuality. When new philia emerge, they should put pressure on the player to deal with. I'd like to separate timerate gain and loss so that you can have a larger loss to simulate satisfaction for a couple days. Maybe I could give each philia it's own timerate multiplier, but I would need to represent that in an elegant way in the UI. It is already cluttered enough 🙃

 

Also, maybe an option to cause masturbation to increase timerate instead of lowering it when a certain number of other philia are present?  

[Merlin Wizzard]

How will this play with cumswallowneedsaddon, which has it's own addiction driver? I'm starting a new game with SLO Aroused NG, a replacer SexLab Aroused and OSLAroused, which no longer works with Advanced Nudity, and no longer maintained.

[Papersword]

18 minutes ago, Merlin Wizzard said:

How will this play with cumswallowneedsaddon, which has it's own addiction driver? I'm starting a new game with SLO Aroused NG, a replacer SexLab Aroused and OSLAroused, which no longer works with Advanced Nudity, and no longer maintained.

 

Afaik, my mod only works with SL Aroused. SLOANG looks very interesting, but it seems to use a new method of storing actor values, so that would prevent my mod from interacting with it. Tbh, I am not very familar with the mod though. 

[MysticDaedra]

1 hour ago, Merlin Wizzard said:

How will this play with cumswallowneedsaddon, which has it's own addiction driver? I'm starting a new game with SLO Aroused NG, a replacer SexLab Aroused and OSLAroused, which no longer works with Advanced Nudity, and no longer maintained.

OSL Aroused doesn't work with Advanced Nudity? This is news to me, as I use OSL Aroused with AND with no issues. Also, OSL Aroused was last updated in January of this year. That's 9 months, hardly "abandoned/not maintained" in Skyrim modding. 

 

@Papersword I did come here to ask about OSL Aroused compatibility, I saw that you mentioned the Libido function and that it performs a similar role to your mod, does this mean OSL Aroused is not compatible with SL Philia, at least with the "new" arousal mechanic?

[Merlin Wizzard]

21 minutes ago, MysticDaedra said:

OSL Aroused doesn't work with Advanced Nudity?

 

From OSLAroused Redux page on Nexus: "Keyword Configuration - Built in support for adding keywords to armor at runtime. Currently just Bakas "EroticArmor" and SLS "Bikini" keywords, but trivial for me to add additional keywords (or ability for users to define there own) if there is desire."

Advanced nudity no longer support Baka. I tried everything to get it to work, and at level 11 I'm going to try a new start with SLO Aroused NG. January is 8 months ago. I really liked it, but I can't even select the Keyword editor armors anymore to add or change the keywords. Not sure what happened there. Probably trying different versions of SLA Redux, which makes OSL complain of conflicting install lately. Many users reporting a similar issue, with no response.  SLO was updated 2 weeks ago. I'd rather not start over again. This will be at least half a dozen purge re-installs of 738 active mods since January.

Edited September 17, 2025 by Merlin Wizzard

[Papersword]

@MysticDaedra

No it is not compatible, sorry 😔

 

I believe I spoke with the author of OSL-A earlier in the thread about creating compatibility between our mods. I seem to have become a bit of a grey-hair when it comes to Skyrim and still use SLAR-Baka. OLS-A uses SKSE scripting functions, which I am not currently knowledgable on, but are much easier to mod with as I understand. So when the time comes for me to swap over to a full AE build, I will look into creating a version that is compatible

 

My passion to tweak and create mods always comes from wanting something to play with for myself, so I struggle to expand my mind beyond my bubble

 

PS. That being said, all my mods come with the source scripts. Everyone is free to manipulate them as they see fit. If someone was to create a bridge between Philia and OSL-A I would endorse it. 

Edited September 17, 2025 by Papersword

[MysticDaedra]

2 minutes ago, Papersword said:

@MysticDaedra

No it is not compatible, sorry 😔

 

I believe I spoke with the author of OSL-A earlier in the thread about creating compatibility between our mods. I seem to have become a bit of a grey-hair when it comes to Skyrim and still use SLAR-Baka. OLS-A uses SKSE scripting functions, which I am not currently knowledgable on, but are much easier to mod with as I understand. So when the time comes for me to swap over to a full AE build, I will look into creating a version that is compatible

 

My passion to tweak and create mods always comes from wanting something to play with for myself, so I struggle to expand my mind beyond my bubble

 

PS. That being said, all my mods come with the source scripts. Everyone is free to manipulate them as they see fit. If someone was to create a bridge between Philia and OSL-A I would endorse it. 

What about the toggle feature for OSL that enables generic SL Aroused mechanics? I guess if there are no hooks that could still be a problem, but my impression is that this toggle was put into OSL Aroused specifically for compatibility reasons. Just a thought. I can't use that feature myself because Unforgiving Devices needs the OSL mechanics to function properly. Honestly, UD is the only reason I'm using OSL, I'd probably be using SLOANG myself if I didn't use UD in my modlist.

 

Anyways, super happy to see the update, and I hope to be able to give your mod a try in the future! Keep up the great work

[MysticDaedra]

10 minutes ago, Merlin Wizzard said:

 

Erm... you forgot to post a response or something? All I see is my comment quoted?