SMP Head HPH or UBE

[Predator-RJ]

6 hours ago, HintHelmetxX said:

Do I need the SOS SMP patch if I am only using TNG? I already have the TNG_Himbo_SMP installed as shown.

 

 

Hi, no sir you dont need a patch for mod you dont have XD, if you suing TNG it is TNG.

[Predator-RJ]

5 hours ago, HintHelmetxX said:

Hmm

 

When I had this running before the only edits I made to the accurate-penetration.toml file where I adjusted the "hook" value. With this current issue I have experimented with this value at both 0 and 2 and it seems to make no difference. I looked through all the settings in there is there another setting that needs adjusting there?

Hi, from what i know "hook" should not be changed anymore, leave with default value, second this mod alredy has a config for PPA at least to better fit the mouth opening part of PPA to SMP head, now the mouth "enter point" location is with you since you are the one who made your character and knows where the mouth is, so edit based on that if necessary the mouth enter point.

[Predator-RJ]

9 hours ago, greenblackflame said:

 

If you've updated to the latest version of PPA, your PPA settings and presets will probably have been reset to default. Which is a bummer if you didn't keep the old version's config file, but if the preset wasn't complicated, just make another preset.

The latest version of HPH SMP also includes an overlay/override config for PPA, but I don't think this is automatically enabled, you have to select it in PPA presets. That too comes with its default settings.

Hi, the PAA config will load as a override no need to change anything, besides having the lastest PPA version.

[greenblackflame]

6 hours ago, HintHelmetxX said:

When I had this running before the only edits I made to the accurate-penetration.toml file where I adjusted the "hook" value. With this current issue I have experimented with this value at both 0 and 2 and it seems to make no difference. I looked through all the settings in there is there another setting that needs adjusting there?

All I can recommend is to try to follow PPA's installation instructions, from scratch, to the letter, and debug/mess around with settings a bit if that doesn't work.

As I recall from the PPA support thread, some users of PPA reported that the newest version only works with hook position 0, and that hook position 2 now seems broken.

And keep in mind that to apply a change to the hook position, you have to restart the game.

Maybe go back to the older version if you really can't get the newest version working.

Secondly, you are now definitely asking how to make PPA work on the support thread of another mod. You should direct these support questions to the correct thread.

[MigVRam]

3 hours ago, Predator-RJ said:

Por eso dije ahí (comentario literal encima de la línea) que solo tienes que "copiar y pegar" uno de ellos y editar el nombre de la malla....

It had the XML file from another mod that edits the heads of some NPCs on top of it, and that line was missing. The problem with the mouth opening was due to installing the PPA MFEE sliders file. 

Edited April 26 by MigVRam

[pheonex2077]

Can we use this https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/178704?tab=description

to add predators head to npc's in our games en masse?

[Predator-RJ]

52 minutes ago, pheonex2077 said:

Can we use this https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/178704?tab=description

to add predators head to npc's in our games en masse?

Hi, by the looks seems yes, but one thing i dont really know how it will handle is, the NPCs "face sculpts", like how a script can reproduce the look of npc face in HPH? ... i dont see any way of a script being able to do that, so i think you can "YES" add HPH to all NPCs you want with that, but they all will have the "default" HPH face sculpt, so basically "clones" i think, saw your comments in the mod there, and looks like a unfortunate language barrier, but from what  i saw, it should work, considering my point above.

[pheonex2077]

2 hours ago, Predator-RJ said:

Hi, by the looks seems yes, but one thing i dont really know how it will handle is, the NPCs "face sculpts", like how a script can reproduce the look of npc face in HPH? ... i dont see any way of a script being able to do that, so i think you can "YES" add HPH to all NPCs you want with that, but they all will have the "default" HPH face sculpt, so basically "clones" i think, saw your comments in the mod there, and looks like a unfortunate language barrier, but from what  i saw, it should work, considering my point above.

This is what the mod author had said to me in a dm, (i'm not claiming your mod is mine, it seems to be an error in translation)

 

"Ok, I tested your mod, and it works perfectly; check out the screenshot, with the NinNODE Throat Center, etc. But you absolutely must use CK and CTRL+F4 to apply physics to all your female NPCs." They also attached pictures to support their claims. I'm too dumb to understand any of this but I hope it can help someone else.

[Byldozer]

Thanks for the wonderful mod. It works great with the creatures, but I had to tinker a bit with the human race.

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Great mod😁👍

Edited April 30 by Byldozer

[unknownguyzzz]

13 hours ago, Byldozer said:

Thanks for the wonderful mod. It works great with the creatures, but I had to tinker a bit with the human race.

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Great mod😁👍

Aside the requirements, what do we have to tinker/alter to make the mouth/lips look like that?

Mine character mouth opens but doesnt have it lips wrap around like that 

[Predator-RJ]

14 hours ago, Byldozer said:

Thanks for the wonderful mod. It works great with the creatures, but I had to tinker a bit with the human race.

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Great mod😁👍

Thanks! looks very good in the pics!!!

[Mmmdonut]

I've tried for a while now but I cant seem to get the SMP collisions to work for TNG. It works fine with Creatures using ABC. 

I am using TNG with LDD's Racialpenisvariances, HIMBO, PPA, and Obody. I built Himbo Body - SOS High Poly Phys SMP Col and  TRX - Male Penis SMP. but it just doesnt have collisions. I have Bakas SOS SMP Patch and the TNG Himbo SMP XMLs installed. 

I am really not sure what I have wrong. I had this mod work before I switched to UBE and TNG I believe. If anyone has any pointers I'd really appreciate it. Also I wish to remove Scrotum Physics but I cant seem to get rid of them. 

[Predator-RJ]

2 hours ago, Mmmdonut said:

I've tried for a while now but I cant seem to get the SMP collisions to work for TNG. It works fine with Creatures using ABC. 

I am using TNG with LDD's Racialpenisvariances, HIMBO, PPA, and Obody. I built Himbo Body - SOS High Poly Phys SMP Col and  TRX - Male Penis SMP. but it just doesnt have collisions. I have Bakas SOS SMP Patch and the TNG Himbo SMP XMLs installed. 

I am really not sure what I have wrong. I had this mod work before I switched to UBE and TNG I believe. If anyone has any pointers I'd really appreciate it. Also I wish to remove Scrotum Physics but I cant seem to get rid of them. 

Hi, sir you have too "many" mods that add dicks XD....... but for real, TNG LDD, TRX, and SOS with baka smp patch, i dont really know how you would handle this many things, but the problem about no collision is with them not my mod, you should like remove all of them and leave only TNG+HIMBO and my XMLs for them, test if works = good!!! if not you have something else happening, since that with my XML is the combination of "Has to work".... now if you get it working install your other mods one by one and test them each time to find the culprit.

[shuman85]

On 4/28/2026 at 3:25 PM, pheonex2077 said:

This is what the mod author had said to me in a dm, (i'm not claiming your mod is mine, it seems to be an error in translation)

 

"Ok, I tested your mod, and it works perfectly; check out the screenshot, with the NinNODE Throat Center, etc. But you absolutely must use CK and CTRL+F4 to apply physics to all your female NPCs." They also attached pictures to support their claims. I'm too dumb to understand any of this but I hope it can help someone else.

Saw this post and I am going to try something:
Run npcs through the "cloning" process adding the ninodes to their faces.
Then with the modified HPH provided by the mod and the output from earlier, take those and select them in NPC Plugin Chooser 2.

I chose NPC Chooser 2 because it creates new facegen for the patch so that way I don't have to export from CK. Also too many custom characters had their morphs or something messed up when exporting in CK

I think I'll need some time to do this so it might be a day or few, but will def report my findings.

 

Some thoughts before I start this (also I'll probably look back at this post to remind myself):

I need to check if I still have to "remove" the smp face in outfit studio as shown in the video from this mod. The weights would be applied, but I'm unsure if the script removes the source face or not as this was not it's intended purpose. 

 

Also would need to check how the script exactly modifies the npc, in particular npcs that use shared recources like Milffactory or Nyr. (Because goddamn if any npcs need SMP lips it's nyr.)

[Mmmdonut]

2 hours ago, Predator-RJ said:

Hi, sir you have too "many" mods that add dicks XD....... but for real, TNG LDD, TRX, and SOS with baka smp patch, i dont really know how you would handle this many things, but the problem about no collision is with them not my mod, you should like remove all of them and leave only TNG+HIMBO and my XMLs for them, test if works = good!!! if not you have something else happening, since that with my XML is the combination of "Has to work".... now if you get it working install your other mods one by one and test them each time to find the culprit.

Thank you, I really only use 1 LDD - TNG - Male Penis Addon TRX. the Racialpenisvariances gives each race their own penis but really its just a different bodyslide of TRX. I guess I dont know what I need to make it work. I will follow your advice and see if it just works with TNGs default options. 

[shuman85]

13 hours ago, shuman85 said:

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Had a half day a work today, so I'm starting to mess around and find out.

Updated my process idea, run patcher (NPC Chooser 2) and then run said clone scripts on that patch. 
[Mission Failed] We'll get em next time...
Can't use output from Cloning process to create patch in NC2 because it generates no facegen, just edits records in xEdit. Going into CK now to verify it can at least patch the SMP to the NPCs. 

Damn, Checked Nifskope and Outfitstudio and no new bones or ninnodes were added. I might have messed up my process somewhere so I'll leave the steps I took in case someone better at this can figure it out...

Loaded everything but Synthesis patches and Parallax stuff (Dynodolod occulsion) into xedit, ran filter to show only NPC records, created a new mod (HPH SMP Patch) using deep override using the filtered records in the NPC Chooser 2 Merge.
Ran the provided race check script (I edited out khajiit and argonian) and save the filtered HPH SMP Patch. Closed xedit and reopened it and ran the High Poly Conversion script (pretty sure this is the key element that needs to be edited/checked). Saved and exited xedit.
Ran CK with the HPH SMP Patch as active mod. Exported Facegen for a few npcs.
Loaded the npcs into NifSkope and Outfit studios looking for the new Ninnode in Nifskope and new bones in outfit.
Everything was the same as before. 

-insert Kaz saying "Why are we here? Just to suffer?"-
 

Questions for later: Would it matter if Khajiit or Argonian were patched? I don't think the lips would work for them but maybe the throat? Either way I'm not including them in these initial test phases.

Same thought but flipped, Golden Saints/Dark Seducers and female cicero has her own race.
Author of cloning process/patch has checks in place to enusure there are no duplicates-could this cause script to skip over any appearance mods that already have HPH?
I don't know enough about coding to verify, I know enough to change variables that's about it :3 

[Pliny The Elder]

On 1/3/2026 at 11:56 AM, redery said:

Hey so i was troubleshooting the mod as i kept getting a sagging face lips and neck- constantly deforming. i found that my issue was DD vergi jewellery but specifically, smp earrings and necklaces(i'd assume any other mod with smp jewellery causes this but can't confirm). Any chance there's a solution for this?

 

As long as i unequip them, mod works perfectly

Similarish problem as Redery in regards to DD vergi jewelry, except it causes the face to disappear, and/or ctd. Take care, everyone. I'll see if I can make a fix.

 

edit: nope, sorry, turns out I don't know what's going on with all these xml files. Maybe some other time.

Edited May 1 by Pliny The Elder

[Byldozer]

On 4/30/2026 at 11:46 PM, unknownguyzzz said:

Aside the requirements, what do we have to tinker/alter to make the mouth/lips look like that?

Mine character mouth opens but doesnt have it lips wrap around like that 

It has been written here many times...click on the arrow on the link

Plus, you can adjust the mouth opening sliders in the sex lab. The actors' positions also play a big role.

And in XML penis

I set the value to 0.03,

Edited May 3 by Byldozer

[Pawel091]

I'm still using SAM Light, SavrenX Schlong of SAM Light SE - Continuation, and HDT-BBB for SAM with 
High Poly Head 1.4. My female character's mouth always twisted vertically in a strange way during blowjob animations, so I wanted to try your mod.
It didn't do anything, and SMP Fixes 0.0.3 caused my game to crash on startup. Adding the Baka SOS SMP Patch fixed all the issues. It works flawlessly now. Thanks for this awesome mod.

Edited May 3 by Pawel091

[Sandant69]

How should I go around doing it if i want to reduce the movement of the lip? should i tweak the xml for the head ?

[Predator-RJ]

On 5/3/2026 at 2:10 PM, Pawel091 said:

I'm still using SAM Light, SavrenX Schlong of SAM Light SE - Continuation, and HDT-BBB for SAM with 
High Poly Head 1.4. My female character's mouth always twisted vertically in a strange way during blowjob animations, so I wanted to try your mod.
It didn't do anything, and SMP Fixes 0.0.3 caused my game to crash on startup. Adding the Baka SOS SMP Patch fixed all the issues. It works flawlessly now. Thanks for this awesome mod.

Hi, Thanks! bu im going to be honest i dont quite understood the problem you had/have sorry : ( .... smp fixes is a requirement, but you need the correct version of it

[Predator-RJ]

14 hours ago, Sandant69 said:

How should I go around doing it if i want to reduce the movement of the lip? should i tweak the xml for the head ?

Hi, the little jigle it has? if so yes in the XML, increase the damp values a little, now if you want to reduce overhaul movement when collisions are happening, it is more complicated, and not 100% right that will be that way always.

[Pawel091]

On 4/30/2026 at 9:00 AM, Byldozer said:

Thanks for the wonderful mod. It works great with the creatures, but I had to tinker a bit with the human race.

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Great mod😁👍

Can I ask what mod do you use for creatures SMP? I use Baka's ABC and it works with vagina/anus but not mouth from this mod. Any patches you can recommend?

[Predator-RJ]

2 hours ago, Pawel091 said:

Can I ask what mod do you use for creatures SMP? I use Baka's ABC and it works with vagina/anus but not mouth from this mod. Any patches you can recommend?

Hi, if ABC works with the mod, is what i use....... and in your game if it works for the body but not the head, you dont have the correct head or the SMP on the head is not working, by either FSMP menu having the wig option on, or something else like, did you selected properly High poly head in race menu using the "face part" slider?

[Ryudo35]

Anyone has any idea why it's only working with "Zeroed" preset from Obody ( any kind of dick model works ) but none of the others ? lol