Larxon Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 Hi Vel, you have made a great mod so far. I got something like a navmesh problem in the assist a customer quest. Every time when tavish wants to equip something like cuffs, armbinder, blindfold he is walking over to the master and go one circle around her then he is coming to me and equip it. Maybe you can fix it in the next update. (Sorry for my english its my second language)
samm091990 Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 I figured out the items issue, just spawn a chest and place all but essential items in it before going in. Now my issue is an immediate ctd and no papyrus log (even with the logging set to 1 on the skyrim.ini) when the 2 soldiers go to play with me (3some), I use the latest sexlab (1.59c) and zaz animation pack (5.0, I think), could that be the culprit?
Koffii Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 I only had a bit of time to play through the new version yesterday since trying version 2. Congratulations on the expansion! Back when you announced the expansion what I thought was that you'd just change the shop permanently. I never expected it to actually grow over a period of time. It's magic! The new Jarl quests are nice, but could use to be more interactive. They just sort of happen. You go somewhere, there's a scene, and you get back, that's it. Don't get me wrong, the scenes are good and I like the mod a lot. But it'd be nice if there was something interactive to do in each of them. Here's some examples: In the Elisif quest there doesn't seem to be a way to actually fail the quest. There should be speech checks to get her to wear the items, or at least you should have to pick the right responses. Failing that maybe you should be able to sneak in at night and put them on her while she sleeps. Failing that maybe there's an obscure law that you have to find in an old library somewhere, so that you can make the court pressure Elisif into following her husband's will In the Falkreath quest maybe you should have to capture the woman first - she just seems to stand there obediently, that's no fun. Maybe instead of a particular set of items, Master could hand you a big bag of goodies and you could pick the items she gets to wear? Maybe you could then be graded on how expensive the items you convinced the Jarl to buy were? In the Embassy quest perhaps instead of being guided to scene after scene, the captivity should be indefinite and you should have jobs to do every day. And while you're going around in bondage pleasing the what's-her-name elf woman and guards, maybe you could be collecting items and information that will lead to your escape or release. These are just suggestions though. The mod's great. It's almost as big as a whole new faction now. Keep up the good work, and thanks P.S. Are there some particular conditions to trigger Free Trial? It hasn't happened to me once. Maybe I was just out of luck.
Nefim Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 Alright, so I am having a problem with one of my characters....only one... She gets the return to master for my reward ... Everything works fine up until she says" Follow me to the VIP House" and ...we enter in to a very long staring contest. Like she is made of marble or something.. I can't move, I am a captive audiance to the staring contest >.> So I cheat and use the console to CoC right in to the vip house ..thinking what happened was a failed teleport trigger.. I arrive and it picks up like everything is fine .. dialog.. she hands over the items ( Which I recieve) and then says" haron, lets leave I got things to do " or something like that... .and we again stare... Everyone involved in the scene freeze like in the game Red light, green light.... I give movement back to my char and the quest refuses to update and actually hand over the slave.... everyone stands staring.... Now on the other hand, My half orc char ( who I will have to delete due to a skintone miss match because of racemenu update >.<) Works perfectly.. The slave has a habit of walking out the door and vanishing ( which I read in an earlier post means she might be in the manor) Long Story short.... I am a tad baffled. The diff between the two chars.... I have npc processing on the character with the problem ( though I tried after turning it off as well) and ...well, This is rather embarresing ... She is also knocked up with a thalmor child >.> apparently the potion I had drank before the embasy didn't quite last long enough...Not sure which of the guys is the daddy.. they literally all look alike >.< And to add insult to injury, the master had haron beat me for my steller..perfomance at the embassy...lol.. Teach meh to lip off >.< What I am wondering is ... what I would need to do to complete the quest via console and take custody of the slave, essentially completing the quest of Statue staring Keep up the Great work btw!
Guest Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 embassy...lol.. Teach meh to lip off >.< Keep up the Great work btw! OT question, If I'm supposed to give answers that please the person asking the questions, Then (apparently) Pain turns me on. That's like me saying "I love chili" so as not to piss off the cook, but whatever. My point is, why do people have to misbehave to receive what seems to turn them on? It should be a reward (don'tcha think??) Biggie BDSM shocker, I've delivered the whatever to whoever, and get slapped hard. I might tearfully ask "What was that for??" And get some appropriate put-down "you've been good. What did you expect, a medal?" "Now, what do you say??" "[tearfully] Thank you, Master" Or words to that effect. And as long as I'm on a rant, Can Boethiah be a character somewhere? As a threat, as a story, as a dialogue filler ("be careful we don't sacrifice you to u-no-who") ..... "ew, your plugs really reek today, go wash in the river" "Did you wash your special area? Let me see" "You will never wear that again in this shop!! Here, put this on" "The toilet needs cleaning"[this one is some random menial task I hope you might consider] .... wearing bondage items is a requirement in the shop,, like ties in school or uniforms. (just thinking). Boethiah is apparently insane, she treats her worshippers like dust, and mostly, kills them. Molag Bal at least gives out freebie weapons, he's actually kind of cool (tyng in with the vampire expansion). Boethiah sits alone on a mountain because she's so mean....
joemonco Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 Wouldn't Molag-Bal, the prince of domination, be a better choice? Boethia is the prince of deceit.
spike4379 Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 Is there any way to equip these for purely aesthetic reasons? i love how they look but i cant equip anything!!!
yolobomber Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 here is my log i hope it contains the text about the eror i had with the quest, i got a lot of warning about gate has not the property or something, most of them or all is about the bestial esscence mod, maybe someone knows a sollution to that too?
Nefim Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 hmm is that OT directed at me? The beating was because I had actually been very unpleasent.. with threats and disparaging remarks ( while ooc I kept mumbling to my PC " Your father smells of elder berries!" ). I was punished for making her look bad. so ..it was more of a punishment than a reward , the bit you quoted "teach me to lip off" was kind of a sarcastic remark in the fact that it tought me not to lip off...i.e " That'll teach me to to lip off again" sorry for the confusion. My point is, why do people have to misbehave to receive what seems to turn them on? It should be a reward (don'tcha think??) I am not sure I understand your above statement, the current premise of captured dreams is to take a normal dragonborn adventurer and throw them in to very bad situations that .. if you do poorly in, results in beatings. to come at it in the mindset that all subs want pain is also inacurate . I am not very familiar with the sub / domme culture but a lot of them seem to want the control that is afforded them by putting their well being , responsibilites etc in to someone else's hands. Quite literally the opposite of what people think of control freaks ( AKA dommes ) Honestly, I installed captured dreams because I got tired of having to go to winterhold on my new characters every time cursed loot decided to ruin my life with devices. I got cursed loot because I got tired of there being NO risk for opening chests ... The body looting traps cought me off guard the first time... As for the comment about molag and Beothia ... Molag Bal is the deadric prince of domination and enslavement of mortals...( so I agree lol) Beothia is the deadric prince of plots ( not exactly deceit though they play hand in hand) tl;dr I am just rambling probably missing the point of the above posts so you dont need to read my post! K thanx Bai!
Jayleia Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 embassy...lol.. Teach meh to lip off >.< Keep up the Great work btw! OT question, If I'm supposed to give answers that please the person asking the questions, Then (apparently) Pain turns me on. That's like me saying "I love chili" so as not to piss off the cook, but whatever. My point is, why do people have to misbehave to receive what seems to turn them on? It should be a reward (don'tcha think??) Biggie BDSM shocker, I've delivered the whatever to whoever, and get slapped hard. I might tearfully ask "What was that for??" And get some appropriate put-down "you've been good. What did you expect, a medal?" "Now, what do you say??" "[tearfully] Thank you, Master" Or words to that effect. This would work for characters that are masochistic, but would be somewhat jarring if your character wasn't masochistic. This COULD be accounted for via dialogue/MCM config...but it would explode the complexity of the dialogue choices, and it could be a fun option. Or there could be a series of steps...reducing rewards as you become more submissive, and adding "punishments" even if you succeed (but different from the punishments you get if you fail) to influence your masochism? EDIT: Adding this as something that happens after certain milestones could limit the complexity of the dialogue options.
Guest Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 hmm is that OT directed at me? The beating was because I had actually been very unpleasent.. with threats and disparaging remarks ( while ooc I kept mumbling to my PC " Your father smells of elder berries!" ). I was punished for making her look bad. so ..it was more of a punishment than a reward , the bit you quoted "teach me to lip off" was kind of a sarcastic remark in the fact that it tought me not to lip off...i.e " That'll teach me to to lip off again" sorry for the confusion. My point is, why do people have to misbehave to receive what seems to turn them on? It should be a reward (don'tcha think??) I am not sure I understand your above statement, the current premise of captured dreams is to take a normal dragonborn adventurer and throw them in to very bad situations that .. if you do poorly in, results in beatings. to come at it in the mindset that all subs want pain is also inacurate . I am not very familiar with the sub / domme culture but a lot of them seem to want the control that is afforded them by putting their well being , responsibilites etc in to someone else's hands. Quite literally the opposite of what people think of control freaks ( AKA dommes ) Honestly, I installed captured dreams because I got tired of having to go to winterhold on my new characters every time cursed loot decided to ruin my life with devices. I got cursed loot because I got tired of there being NO risk for opening chests ... The body looting traps cought me off guard the first time... As for the comment about molag and Beothia ... I Molag Bal is the deadric prince of domination and enslavement of mortals...( so I agree lol) Beothia is the deadric prince of plots ( not exactly deceit though they play hand in hand) tl;dr I am just rambling probably missing the point of the above posts so you dont need to read my post! K thanx Bai! The point of my (excellent, thought-provoking, and badly written) post was to consider Veladarius's mod as less of a framework and more of an immersive story. My post, my fantasy And if, by some miracle, I'm able to persuade the author to use some of my ideas, (I flunked speech class), my work is done!! It's directed at you sure, but I would not want you to take it personally. I was remembering previous post-ers who deliberately misbehaved to get punished.
Jayleia Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 Was thinking about Ailus again...I think about her a lot now hehehe I have an idea for a scene and how she will arrive at the shop...Elenwen comes out of the shop, and *awkward meeting*, she explains that she was dropping off an apology gift to Master for letting Ailus get a little too close to you...that time. You have no idea what the gift is yet. And maybe a bit of shockingly humanizing conversation with Elenwen something like "Maybe if you weren't who you were and I wasn't who I was..." concluding with Elenwen being Elenwen again "But...that's not possible, so I will simply look forward to...having you as a guest again." Go talk to Master after that and then you find out what the gift was...it's Ailus...and like the old Nord saying that M'aiq told me goes "payback is a dragonborn"
Guest Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 embassy...lol.. Teach meh to lip off >.< Keep up the Great work btw! OT question, If I'm supposed to give answers that please the person asking the questions, Then (apparently) Pain turns me on. That's like me saying "I love chili" so as not to piss off the cook, but whatever. My point is, why do people have to misbehave to receive what seems to turn them on? It should be a reward (don'tcha think??) Biggie BDSM shocker, I've delivered the whatever to whoever, and get slapped hard. I might tearfully ask "What was that for??" And get some appropriate put-down "you've been good. What did you expect, a medal?" "Now, what do you say??" "[tearfully] Thank you, Master" Or words to that effect. This would work for characters that are masochistic, but would be somewhat jarring if your character wasn't masochistic. This COULD be accounted for via dialogue/MCM config...but it would explode the complexity of the dialogue choices, and it could be a fun option. Or there could be a series of steps...reducing rewards as you become more submissive, and adding "punishments" even if you succeed (but different from the punishments you get if you fail) to influence your masochism? The mechanism for being a submissive or a dominant is already in place, so no explosive complexity (slap vs no slap, caress vs no caress, admiration vs contempt) Steps aren't really asked for, but thank you (although that goes into the matter of complexity). I'm not sure masochism is required, at least at first. The plum in the mod would be, turning an ordinarily submissive player into a DOM through the game choices they make, or a "normal" (vanilla??) person into a submissive, simply by using the exact same layout and adding some lines of dialogue.
Nefim Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 Never took it personally...I just figured I would ask, becuasE I have a habit of rambling at people who didn't direct their questions at me and I dont want to offend anyone. I did read in a previous post the plan is to add more submissive / domme responses to things. unless it took a complete re-write I don't see why they couldn't toss in the sub massochist aspect....or a cruel Domme..... Anyway, Hope i didn't offend >.> P.S : I didn't missbehave to get punished though I did know it would prolly be the logical outcome, I acted poorly because I have a concept of how my char would respond in that situation... Most people who play games with the freedom of character creation tend to have concepts behind their chars before they even set foot in game Just because I am forced to do these things doesn't mean I have to do so quietly ...or until they put that gag on... Seriously, it is hard to convey your anger when the only thing that comes out is .. Mmmph...
Jayleia Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 Never took it personally...I just figured I would ask, becuasE I have a habit of rambling at people who didn't direct their questions at me and I dont want to offend anyone. I did read in a previous post the plan is to add more submissive / domme responses to things. unless it took a complete re-write I don't see why they couldn't toss in the sub massochist aspect....or a cruel Domme..... Anyway, Hope i didn't offend >.> P.S : I didn't missbehave to get punished though I did know it would prolly be the logical outcome, I acted poorly because I have a concept of how my char would respond in that situation... Most people who play games with the freedom of character creation tend to have concepts behind their chars before they even set foot in game Just because I am forced to do these things doesn't mean I have to do so quietly Exactly...I misbehaved at the party, I kept my mouth shut most of the time*, because I was asked to be a good little slave. But I couldn't imagine myself shutting the hell up when I'm being asked how awesome my time is there...just no, that was a bridge too far (and it felt great to tell the lot of them off, I think that was Vel's intention to give us an out for that rage). *When my mouth wasn't filled by other things.
Nefim Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 I am wondering just how long I can keep my char "standing proud!" when I have private needs and Realistic needs running.... Death by Fecal impaction doesn't really sound like a "proud" way to exit the world....I was REALLY glad I could come crawling back and getting my belt changed on the Debt quest. Also really glad that the needs mods were takin in to account for this mod.. .though the embassy could have a real bath scene for bathing mods ... Just a suggestion!, and a real bathroom... though I am not ashamed to say someone will have a very bad day cleaning my old cell! .... I take it you got lippy a time or two as well? Do you use needs mods?
Jayleia Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 This would work for characters that are masochistic, but would be somewhat jarring if your character wasn't masochistic. This COULD be accounted for via dialogue/MCM config...but it would explode the complexity of the dialogue choices, and it could be a fun option. Or there could be a series of steps...reducing rewards as you become more submissive, and adding "punishments" even if you succeed (but different from the punishments you get if you fail) to influence your masochism? The mechanism for being a submissive or a dominant is already in place, so no explosive complexity (slap vs no slap, caress vs no caress, admiration vs contempt) Steps aren't really asked for, but thank you (although that goes into the matter of complexity). I'm not sure masochism is required, at least at first. The plum in the mod would be, turning an ordinarily submissive player into a DOM through the game choices they make, or a "normal" (vanilla??) person into a submissive, simply by using the exact same layout and adding some lines of dialogue. But not all submissives are masochists, nor are all doms sadists, and its not a matter of where they set on a scale of dominance or submission. So receiving a slap for a "reward" at the beginning, no matter where I was on the submission scale, would end up making her REALLY violent and resulting me in dropping the mod (because it was utterly unlike what my character would tolerate), its just not her personality, even if she was super-submissive. Where we're at now, I'd still be angry, but not violent, and a bit of explanation from Master would likely make me more submissive and ease my anger. Further on, her submissiveness may be manipulated into a simulation of masochism or she might legitimately develop feelings of masochism separate from her submission.
Nefim Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 Honestly, we dont want to stop the development of the mod.( by making to0 many requests /expectations ). the mod "from what I read..and I could be wrong" isn't" actually tailored for massochistic / sadistic tendancies. It could be added but I believe it would take a bit more than a few lines of dialogue to get the messege through.. .really, who played knight of the old republic and went all the way darkside? think a few lines of text would have accomplished the same feeling? I think the mod should continue the way its going...possibly refining the dialogue so that a broad range of players can enjoy the game. once the mod is done.. go back and add some add ons to focus on the different sub cultures of domme and sub. Because not all massochists and sadists are domme and subs.... Edit: sorry for spelling, been up over 36 hours...
Guest Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 If by developing you mean, "make it work", it does already. Well doesn't it? I just think that the perfectionism that goes into making any skyrim mod can get to a point where ideas are very unwelcome. "paint the walls blue", etc. And the teeny stuff I try on my own (setrelationshiprank 14 4) is frozen out by restrictive scripts. I'm getting writer's block, are you saying we shouldn't gum up the works by adding stuff, or is it the height of gall and audacity (and nerve) to even dare to mention it? I mentioned clutter and hovering employees and was told in no uncertain terms by a fellow member that my input wasn't appreciated. Well maybe it isn't. But I was hoping some of it was. Wait, did that come out right? Apologies in advance. ------------ I'm editing this for posterity, I did not mean to be super-specific with the whole slap thing. It was a relic from my parochial-high-school days anyway (did you pick up on that from the ties and the uniforms? Nevermind). Slapping a student with a ruler is a crime these days. (Remember "Blues Brothers"?) no, I saw a picture in my head, and I typed it, sort of. I still say the original mod was like a library, with a really mean librarian, And Lo, the mod changed and people do stuff now, they build, they sweep, they clean stables. I forgot what I was gonna say. I'm sure I'll be editing this soon.
Veladarius Posted November 7, 2014 Author Posted November 7, 2014 Hi Vel, you have made a great mod so far. I got something like a navmesh problem in the assist a customer quest. Every time when tavish wants to equip something like cuffs, armbinder, blindfold he is walking over to the master and go one circle around her then he is coming to me and equip it. Maybe you can fix it in the next update. (Sorry for my english its my second language) It is something with the AI packages I have set, I think one has the wrong marker set on it. The navmesh was drastically cleaned up in this version from what it was and preferred pathing set in it as well so it works better than it did, especially when moving from one end to the other. I figured out the items issue, just spawn a chest and place all but essential items in it before going in. Now my issue is an immediate ctd and no papyrus log (even with the logging set to 1 on the skyrim.ini) when the 2 soldiers go to play with me (3some), I use the latest sexlab (1.59c) and zaz animation pack (5.0, I think), could that be the culprit? SexLab has some crashes, do a quick save just before it starts and if it crashes reload from there. If I have a crash at the start of a scene once I reload it plays the rest of the way through with no problems. You MUST update ZAZ Animation pack to v6+ as there are items from it that are used, v6 is listed as a requirement. here is my log i hope it contains the text about the eror i had with the quest, i got a lot of warning about gate has not the property or something, most of them or all is about the bestial esscence mod, maybe someone knows a sollution to that too? Judging from all the errors in this log you likely had a stack dump at some point and a lot of scripts from multiple mods are now broken. You may be able to fix things with a save cleaner but you will still have to figure out the mod causing issues after that.
Veladarius Posted November 7, 2014 Author Posted November 7, 2014 Generally, a lot of what has limited what I could do was that I didn't know how to do it. Before I started this mod almost a year ago I had no clue on scripting or dialogue or AI packages, I learned it all as I went. The hard part with doing dom scenes is that the player has much more control over things than in a sub scene. Also, when I started with this there were no male meshes available so with everything revolving around the belt / collar it didn't make sense to include male content. Since we now have some good meshes available I am working to include male content / variations.
aqqh Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 Sometimes easy things would do - to boost dom experience. For example on delivery an option to pay a deposit in gold instead of being locked in a belt (could be for example that first delivery has to be in belt and you will have an option of "Over my dead body!" when at least one successful delivery is done) - or leave your follower in a shop as such "deposit". Could be considered as first step of follower path to become player slave. 1st expansion quest could have an option to convince Jarl that hes letting her go too easy - which would lead to a round of whipping for example. Btw slave training of a follower could do very fine for a reward for dom character. Or sub as well i guess - tho it would have to be very different training
yolobomber Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 i know my scripts are crazy but save cleaner makes it crash after loading (IMMIDIATLY), it's a shame skyrim is such an unstable game. one things goes wrong and you got an ctd. i suppose you mean this one http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/?? i have version 13 as it syas that one is more stable then version 22.
Veladarius Posted November 7, 2014 Author Posted November 7, 2014 i know my scripts are crazy but save cleaner makes it crash after loading (IMMIDIATLY), it's a shame skyrim is such an unstable game. one things goes wrong and you got an ctd. i suppose you mean this one http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/?? i have version 13 as it syas that one is more stable then version 22. those scripts are all showing broken properties so anything that relies on those will not work and some of the scripts mentioned there are primary ones from Integration which CD relies on heavily. I have not used a save cleaner before so I couldn't say which is better to use.
Veladarius Posted November 7, 2014 Author Posted November 7, 2014 Sometimes easy things would do - to boost dom experience. For example on delivery an option to pay a deposit in gold instead of being locked in a belt (could be for example that first delivery has to be in belt and you will have an option of "Over my dead body!" when at least one successful delivery is done) - or leave your follower in a shop as such "deposit". Could be considered as first step of follower path to become player slave. 1st expansion quest could have an option to convince Jarl that hes letting her go too easy - which would lead to a round of whipping for example. Btw slave training of a follower could do very fine for a reward for dom character. Or sub as well i guess - tho it would have to be very different training Likely until the player shows they are dom and reliable she will require a collar at minimum. Setting the slider in the MCM menu prior to meeting her will take care of the dom part easily enough. For Nenya she is likely to be a visitor at the shop on occasion for some training but I will see what I may change on the existing scene. If you want to train a follower to be a slave all you need to do is make them one so they may be trained. As for the player training, that will happen as well in one form or another.
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