Fo4 Adult Modding is Lacking

[Nuverotic]

Why do you think Skyrim has far superior mods compared to Fallout 4, despite the short gap between their releases? Skyrim is still getting major updates with adult animation frameworks, armors, and quests, while Fallout 4 seems stuck. Did modders just give up after Skyrim? 

I've been hoping someone would create something like Ostim for Fallout 4, but it feels like no one is even trying. What can we do to reignite the passion in the FO4 modding community? This also makes me wonder about the future of Starfield and TES VI. Thoughts?

[JB.]

I think it's the genre. Fantasy genre is a lot more appealing than post apocalyptic. I don't really like pots apocalyptic theme either, but with Fallout 4 I learned to appreciate and enjoy it. 

 

Starfield seemed more appealing than Fallout, in fact it has a bunch of interesting assets for erotic mods, but man, I'm trying to get a taste for it but it all seems so bland to me. I don't feel attached like I did when I played Skyrim or Fallout, which sucked me into their worlds and lore, which I spent reading their books and terminals. 

 

But, as with Fallout, we can only hope that someone or some people get passionate about the game and want to create adult mods.

 

I am very very detached from Skyrim modding. What would Ostim be? Like AAF or NAF?

[King of tentacle]

that modding difference has been around since the fo3/nv and morrowind/oblivion days unfortunately

I personally believe it to be fantasy being more approachable (orcs and elves with magic being very mainstream etc..) than scifi as well as the diferrence between cks 

as for starfield it's more of a space sim game than a scifi game with even less rpg elements than its older siblings sadly so the only ones still playing (myself included)

seem to biased toward space adventures

[Elllollos]

yeah i hear you, i don't know why they haaven't created NSFW addons for sim settlements 2 like brothel plots, strip clubs, slave market or something as cool as Quo Vagis or Coito Ergo Sum for fallout 4 since most of them are focused on the female protagonist (which in my opinion if you're male and play a female character seems kinda gay) but yeah there's plenty of room for good lewd mods for fallout 4, they just need to be focused on both male and female chracters and not entirey female

[Miauzi]

Vor 46 Minuten sagte King of Tentacle:

Dieser Modding-Unterschied besteht leider seit den Tagen von Fo3/NV und Morrowind/Oblivion

Ich persönlich glaube, dass es Fantasy ist, die zugänglicher ist (Orks und Elfen mit Magie sind sehr Mainstream usw.) als Science-Fiction, ebenso wie der Unterschied zwischen Cks 

Bei Starfield handelt es sich eher um ein Weltraumsimulationsspiel als um ein Science-Fiction-Spiel mit noch weniger RPG-Elementen als seine älteren Geschwister. Leider sind es die einzigen, die noch spielen (ich selbst eingeschlossen).

scheinen eine Vorliebe für Weltraumabenteuer zu haben

 

StarField is definitely NOT a space simulation game!

 

Because in a game like this you can pilot your own spaceship and land or launch it on a planet or moon... all of that is missing in StarField.

Not even the fan scene - which vigorously defends this bad game - speaks of a simulation... on the contrary - they are expressly happy that it is NOT a simulation.

What is StarField then? -> a boring shooter that takes place in space!

 

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Why is there so little "filthy porn content" for the Fallout universe?

 

Because it started with Skyrim and the mod authors are still concentrating on it today.

I have read many threads on this in this forum... my conclusion is this:

Even in Skyrim, some of the necessary tools were only available "semi-legally" - but there was a usable starting point -> there were different bodies/skeletons for men and women.

 

And the latter was exactly what was NOT available in Fallout! ... the "uniform body" had a uniform skeleton for men and women

That's why the mod authors first had to create their own body system ... and so -> Fusion Girl was created for women

 

But as I've already written -> "porn modding" is a small niche in overall modding ... so almost all clothing mods for women were created for the "cbbe" body.

A few mod authors are still working on the transfer from "cbbe" to "fg" - there is a separate thread here in the forum about it

 

Mods are created in one's free time - and many a mod author who has made significant contributions to the "porn" area on Skyrim - has had to realize that he can't "have his cake and eat it too".

But overall the mod scene for Fallout is no less productive than that for Skyrim!

 

When it comes to companion mods, both games are about the same ... although Skyrim was even worse until recently stood.

 

You want to revive Fallout modding?

How about reviving the already existing Vampire mod - which was unfortunately (incompletely) abandoned.

https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/68278

[Nuverotic]

1 hour ago, JB. said:

I think it's the genre. Fantasy genre is a lot more appealing than post apocalyptic. I don't really like pots apocalyptic theme either, but with Fallout 4 I learned to appreciate and enjoy it. 

 

Starfield seemed more appealing than Fallout, in fact it has a bunch of interesting assets for erotic mods, but man, I'm trying to get a taste for it but it all seems so bland to me. I don't feel attached like I did when I played Skyrim or Fallout, which sucked me into their worlds and lore, which I spent reading their books and terminals. 

 

But, as with Fallout, we can only hope that someone or some people get passionate about the game and want to create adult mods.

 

I am very very detached from Skyrim modding. What would Ostim be? Like AAF or NAF?

You've taken the words right out of my mouth. I agree, the fantasy genre is better. And while I like Post Aocalyptica, Fallout is a little too zany for me. But over the years I've grown to love it. 
Same with Starfield, in theory it has everything I would want as a baseline... And even though I've beaten it quite a few times, only to get the better space suits, I really just never got into it like Skyrim or Fallout...

Yea, OSTIM is like AAF but you can control each animation. It starts with the two characters getting close to eachother. Then you choose which animation you do next. Kiss or take off clothes. Which leads to the next group of animations and so on. It's actually REALLY cool. But the mod author hates Bethesda and the Nexus and the users, lol. 

[Nuverotic]

10 minutes ago, Elllollos said:

yeah i hear you, i don't know why they haaven't created NSFW addons for sim settlements 2 like brothel plots, strip clubs, slave market or something as cool as Quo Vagis or Coito Ergo Sum for fallout 4 since most of them are focused on the female protagonist (which in my opinion if you're male and play a female character seems kinda gay) but yeah there's plenty of room for good lewd mods for fallout 4, they just need to be focused on both male and female chracters and not entirey female

I was literally JUST thinking about this about an hour ago. Why are there no brothels in SS2? 
And same... I play as myself in Fallout. Make the character look like me. Unfortunately, most adult mods are made for girl protagonists. I would love it if you could make your companion do things a female character would need to. For example, JB's mod Nuka Ride, is almost perfection. I make a female character just to play his mod. But it would be awesome if I could be in charge of a female and make her do the things instead.

[Nuverotic]

7 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

StarField is definitely NOT a space simulation game!

 

Because in a game like this you can pilot your own spaceship and land or launch it on a planet or moon... all of that is missing in StarField.

Not even the fan scene - which vigorously defends this bad game - speaks of a simulation... on the contrary - they are expressly happy that it is NOT a simulation.

What is StarField then? -> a boring shooter that takes place in space!

 

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Why is there so little "filthy porn content" for the Fallout universe?

 

Because it started with Skyrim and the mod authors are still concentrating on it today.

I have read many threads on this in this forum... my conclusion is this:

Even in Skyrim, some of the necessary tools were only available "semi-legally" - but there was a usable starting point -> there were different bodies/skeletons for men and women.

 

And the latter was exactly what was NOT available in Fallout! ... the "uniform body" had a uniform skeleton for men and women

That's why the mod authors first had to create their own body system ... and so -> Fusion Girl was created for women

 

But as I've already written -> "porn modding" is a small niche in overall modding ... so almost all clothing mods for women were created for the "cbbe" body.

A few mod authors are still working on the transfer from "cbbe" to "fg" - there is a separate thread here in the forum about it

 

Mods are created in one's free time - and many a mod author who has made significant contributions to the "porn" area on Skyrim - has had to realize that he can't "have his cake and eat it too".

But overall the mod scene for Fallout is no less productive than that for Skyrim!

 

When it comes to companion mods, both games are about the same ... although Skyrim was even worse until recently stood.

 

You want to revive Fallout modding?

How about reviving the already existing Vampire mod - which was unfortunately (incompletely) abandoned.

https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/68278

Well I can't argue with any of that.

I'm going to have to go look at Fusion Girl and see what the fuss is about. I always see it but have never clicked it because I've always just used CBBE. It's hard to keep up with what's the latest and greatest way to go in the modding community.

[Heinzelman]

I think it could be the steep wall that some are confronted with when they have an idea but no clue how to climb it. An example, a few years ago i had an idea for an adult skyrim mod. I was totally eager to do it, but I had no ideas about SL scripting and stuff. I couldnt get anything to work. I was looking for tutorials but I had not found much I needed, no script would compile and in the end i gave up.

 

Then last year I had an idea for FO4. Again pretty same issues for adult stuff. I was just a few steps from going away from adult modding and make a SFW mod instead. I was confused by some searching results and more google searches with almost no result. Just by pure luck I found a LL thread by someone who had the same issues and who posted a working AAF startscene script. This was like a gift from heaven for me. I didnt knew of the AAF discord then.

 

So I'd say we need a step by step tutorial at least for the basics for the beginners (if there isnt one already of course). Maybe with some example quests and scripts, that cover the basics and explain them and the options. Even a year later i was still looking into the mods of others to try to understand basics like callling regular AAF functions. And just to be clear, the AAF community is very helpful and I am grateful for that, because i got a lot of help. But I still think we need a prominent place that new creators can easily access and quickly find what they need to understand and build upon. Because i still think otherwise the wall is too steep for potential new creators.

Edited September 12, 2024 by Heinz01

[Nuverotic]

22 minutes ago, Heinz01 said:

I think it could be the steep wall that some are confronted with when they have an idea but no clue how to climb it. An example, a few years ago i had an idea for an adult skyrim mod. I was totally eager to do it, but I had no ideas about SL scripting and stuff. I couldnt get anything to work. I was looking for tutorials but I had not found much I needed, no script would compile and in the end i gave up.

 

Then last year I had an idea for FO4. Again pretty same issues for adult stuff. I was just a few steps from going away from adult modding and make a SFW mod instead. I was confused by some searching results and more google searches with almost no result. Just by pure luck I found a LL thread by someone who had the same issues and who posted a working AAF startscene script. This was like a gift from heaven for me. I didnt knew of the AAF discord then.

 

So I'd say we need a step by step tutorial at least for the basics for the beginners (if there isnt one already of course). Maybe with some example quests and scripts, that cover the basics and explain them and the options. Even a year later i was still looking into the mods of others to try to understand basics like callling regular AAF functions. And just to be clear, the AAF community is very helpful and I am grateful for that, because i got a lot of help. But I still think we need a prominent place that new creators can easily access and quickly find what they need to understand and build upon. Because i still think otherwise the wall is too steep for potential new creators.

Man I wish "experience" was my problem. My problem is procrastination. I have skills in animating, 3d modeling, writing, photoshop, and about 20 REALLY good mod idea's... But I just never want to sit down and do it. lol. I'm fucking lazy.
That being said dude, do you use ChatGPT? You REALLY should. It can walk you through anything. Including xEdit and the Creation Kit. It is so well versed in Bethesda Modding programs it's shocking. And ChatGPT is currently free so I'd sign up and just ask Chat to walk you through how to do things. Honestly, it works like a charm. Happy modding!

[Heinzelman]

2 minutes ago, Nuverotic said:

Man I wish "experience" was my problem. My problem is procrastination. I have skills in animating, 3d modeling, writing, photoshop, and about 20 REALLY good mod idea's... But I just never want to sit down and do it. lol. I'm fucking lazy.
That being said dude, do you use ChatGPT? You REALLY should. It can walk you through anything. Including xEdit and the Creation Kit. It is so well versed in Bethesda Modding programs it's shocking. And ChatGPT is currently free so I'd sign up and just ask Chat to walk you through how to do things. Honestly, it works like a charm. Happy modding!

Yeah Chat GPT is a really helpful. It made a lot for me

[Miauzi]

For an inexperienced user, the hurdles for a "porn setup in Fallout are SIGNIFICANTLY higher than in Skyrim ... I don't even want to think about the nightmare when I have to set up my own Fallout again - and I have been modifying Fallout games since "Fallout 3"

 

You only have to look at the requests for help over the last 3-4 weeks here in the forum - the reference to the AAF thread really puts beginners off because of the many individual steps required.

 

So it's not just creating mods that is a very high barrier - but also using them in a porn framework.

 

And of course many come from the "non-porn" area and usually have "cbbe" as their body template ... until these people understand why they should switch to "fg" ... of course you can also get the "cbbe" body to work with AAF using the corresponding steps - but that is a little bit harder than with "Fusiongirl"

 

In addition, a separate body system must also be installed for the male body... otherwise the "something" between the legs is missing.

 

And all this because of the developers of "Bugdesta" - who had two different bodies for men and women in Skyrim... but then decided to implement a "unisex" body in Fallout 4.

[King of tentacle]

1 hour ago, Miauzi said:

 

StarField is definitely NOT a space simulation game!

 

Because in a game like this you can pilot your own spaceship and land or launch it on a planet or moon... all of that is missing in StarField.

Not even the fan scene - which vigorously defends this bad game - speaks of a simulation... on the contrary - they are expressly happy that it is NOT a simulation.

What is StarField then? -> a boring shooter that takes place in space!

 

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Why is there so little "filthy porn content" for the Fallout universe?

 

Because it started with Skyrim and the mod authors are still concentrating on it today.

I have read many threads on this in this forum... my conclusion is this:

Even in Skyrim, some of the necessary tools were only available "semi-legally" - but there was a usable starting point -> there were different bodies/skeletons for men and women.

 

And the latter was exactly what was NOT available in Fallout! ... the "uniform body" had a uniform skeleton for men and women

That's why the mod authors first had to create their own body system ... and so -> Fusion Girl was created for women

 

But as I've already written -> "porn modding" is a small niche in overall modding ... so almost all clothing mods for women were created for the "cbbe" body.

A few mod authors are still working on the transfer from "cbbe" to "fg" - there is a separate thread here in the forum about it

 

Mods are created in one's free time - and many a mod author who has made significant contributions to the "porn" area on Skyrim - has had to realize that he can't "have his cake and eat it too".

But overall the mod scene for Fallout is no less productive than that for Skyrim!

 

When it comes to companion mods, both games are about the same ... although Skyrim was even worse until recently stood.

 

You want to revive Fallout modding?

How about reviving the already existing Vampire mod - which was unfortunately (incompletely) abandoned.

https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/68278

Oh I fuckking love sanguinaire been running an enclave vampire dommie mommy for america rising 2 with a ton of enclave and plasma mods (also sim settlements 2 and beast companion with pet deathclaw) 

 

btw I never said starfield was a good game or that i was defending it just that I play it (by which i mean i ignore the boring story and go punch the wildlife on various moons and planets while also partaking in the drug trade) oh and this is just a friendly fun fact but animation porn mods in beth games have been a thing since morrowind just a shame the old mod sites and forums all died after the tesnexus became just the nexus

[Judas Priest]

It doesn't help that the game's coding is a mess.

[Miauzi]

Vor 29 Minuten sagte King of Tentacle:

Oh, ich liebe Sanguinaire, ich habe eine Enklave-Vampir-Dommie-Mama für America Rising 2 mit einer Menge Enklave- und Plasma-Mods geleitet (auch Sim-Siedlungen 2 und Beast Companion mit Haustier-Todeskralle) 

 

Übrigens habe ich nie gesagt, dass Starfield ein gutes Spiel ist oder dass ich es verteidige, nur weil ich es spiele (womit ich meine, dass ich die langweilige Geschichte ignoriere und die Tierwelt auf verschiedenen Monden und Planeten verprügele und gleichzeitig am Drogenhandel teilnehme). Oh und Das ist nur eine nette, lustige Tatsache, aber Animations-Porno-Mods in Beth-Spielen gibt es schon seit morgen. Schade, dass die alten Mod-Sites und Foren alle gestorben sind, nachdem Tesnexus nur noch Nexus wurde

 

Exactly a year ago I had the opportunity to play StarField - thanks to a 30-day game pass from a friend... 6-8 hours a day.

 

I was particularly interested in the part about free exploration - because I find Elite much better at flying in space (including exploration) and space battles.

But "Elite" doesn't have planets with atmospheres YET - that's why I was really excited about SF... but after a few days I was first disappointed - then horrified and finally frustrated.

I don't want to quote all of my posts here... but just offering the sea as a 2D surface is an impertinence on the part of the game studio!

Especially in the sense that completely exploring a planet is a quest - which you can only successfully complete in worlds with a sea/ocean - if you also scan the animal species IN THE SEA!

 

It's not just the boredom that sets in pretty quickly... why should I build a base if I don't actually need the things I get (like hydrogen for fusion)?... The game originally had the concept of using such bases to ensure fuel supplies in the right-hand part of the star map... but due to some serious flaws in this construction system (the transfer system between the bases doesn't work - the equivalent of the caravans in Fallout 4) it was dropped shortly before release... and so all the spaceships you fly yourself don't burn a single unit of fuel!

 

In just a few weeks I actually managed to get to the highest level in all the base building components... to do this I also had to legally "collect" plants and kill and "gut" animals.

 

Ah - what use is a buggy in the forest? Nothing!

What use is a buggy to me if I want to go to the beach... I can't swim anyway... and thanks to NO map I don't know where the beach is anyway.

 

If I want to shoot... then I take ships with big cannons -> World of Warship

[King of tentacle]

3 hours ago, Elllollos said:

yeah i hear you, i don't know why they haaven't created NSFW addons for sim settlements 2 like brothel plots, strip clubs, slave market or something as cool as Quo Vagis or Coito Ergo Sum for fallout 4 since most of them are focused on the female protagonist (which in my opinion if you're male and play a female character seems kinda gay) but yeah there's plenty of room for good lewd mods for fallout 4, they just need to be focused on both male and female chracters and not entirey female

only brothel mod for fo4 i know of is rse brothels which has not had an update since 2020, as for why guys play girls that's because of the "two girls fucking is less gay than a guy fucking a girl" mindset ...well that or they're afraid of a naked man

[Miauzi]

Vor 1 Minute sagte King of Tentacle:

Der einzige Bordell-Mod für FO4, den ich kenne, ist RSE Bordelle, für den es seit 2020 kein Update mehr gegeben hat. Die Frage, warum Jungs Mädchen spielen, liegt an der Denkweise „Zwei Mädchen ficken ist weniger schwul als ein Mann, der ein Mädchen fickt“ ... nun ja oder sie haben Angst vor einem nackten Mann

 

When I started playing TES-Online 10 years ago (I was already part of the "closed beta"), I joined my first gaming clan.

 

As a woman, I was practically alone among men - 80% of whom played female characters.

 

Of course I was curious - why a man would use a "titty character" (that was the name of a male clan member) ... well, the answer was -> because he was my "dream girlfriend".

Well - these guys were all in steady heterosexual relationships - were mostly married and had children of school age!

So nothing with spotty teenagers - who are completely incapable of relationships ... that's what the media likes to suggest with their loudly shouted prejudices.

 

ah - I'm 62 years old ... and all my characters are definitely under 40 years old ... what a complex I have now - which I have to "treat" with a computer game

 

[DrSeptimus]

You can thanks the messy code and lack of support FO4 have for that.

 

Even making custom follower/companion would require tremendous effort in comparison to skyrim.

[belegost]

16 hours ago, King of tentacle said:

starfield it's more of a space sim game

The only thing Starfield has in common with space sim genre is space.

[belegost]

15 hours ago, Elllollos said:

if you're male and play a female character seems kinda gay

If I'm to stare at an ass for several thousand hours, I don't want to stare at a guy's ass. That's all in going to say in this regard.

[FauxFurry]

17 hours ago, Elllollos said:

 (which in my opinion if you're male and play a female character seems kinda gay) 

If that were so, there would be a lot more frequent active posters on VectorPlexis.com (not that anyone attempting to post images of their female player characters would not be instantly banned if they were to try, anyway).

[King of tentacle]

4 hours ago, belegost said:

The only thing Starfield has in common with space sim genre is space.

well yeah it's a game that simulates space similar to stellaris or kotor 1/2 or prey or mass effect (which are the only space simulating games I know of, they all have much better stories)

[Miauzi]

Vor 22 Minuten sagte King of Tentacle:

Nun ja, es ist ein Spiel, das den Weltraum simuliert, ähnlich wie Stellaris oder Kotor 1/2 oder Prey oder Mass Effect (das sind die einzigen Weltraumsimulationsspiele, die ich kenne, sie haben alle viel bessere Geschichten)

 

These are NOT space simulations... these are role-playing games that take place in space.

 

For a space simulation it is essential to simulate the flight behavior of spaceships - similar to a flight simulator on Earth.

 

Games that are considered space simulations are

- "elite dangerous"

- "no men sky"

- "kerbal space"

 

You, as the pilot, fly the ship... You decide how you take off and what your trajectory is into space... AND YOU decide where your "bird" lands on the ground.

 

And in Elite, gently loading a 200-meter-long spaceship WITHOUT a landing computer "in the wild" -> is quite a challenge

[King of tentacle]

13 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

These are NOT space simulations... these are role-playing games that take place in space.

Ah I think I see were the confusion is allow me to clarify: you see my from my point of view since 1992 every video game is Technically speaking a simulated experience on a screen where through the use of 2d/3d assets and sound the world of the game is simulated to the extent necessary to convey the story and gameplay i.e a sim game as opposed to playing checkers in the park in real life face to face with another person which would be a real experience not simulated on a screen is all I meant now I really must get back to lewd things in fo4 cannibal hookers won't sell themselves 

[Elllollos]

19 hours ago, belegost said:

If I'm to stare at an ass for several thousand hours, I don't want to stare at a guy's ass. That's all in going to say in this regard.

that's why hot companions like Ivy and Heather are for, don't you want an in game harem? that answer still sounds gay to me