PAF Fixes and Addons

[LoneSurvivorMax]

I noticed that my character can no longer use outhouses after the last update. Says "No pressure on bladder" even if I was doing the pee dance all the way to it.

[jerixho555]

I'm getting consistently more crashes since installing PFA. Have the lasted update, this has occurred against two characters on new saves. Always when a PAF event would trigger or when NPC or player is relieving themselves. Crash log if this is helpful. Getting calls for M joint fix and FSMP but even w/o these (renaming dll to off) crashes still occur. Could just be overall script load in my game. 

crash-2025-09-05-22-17-31.log

[Dg75]

On 9/2/2025 at 6:13 AM, redrootcat said:

Does this update require a new save file?

only if updating from 4.0 or earlier

[Dg75]

On 9/4/2025 at 5:33 PM, LoneSurvivorMax said:

I noticed that my character can no longer use outhouses after the last update. Says "No pressure on bladder" even if I was doing the pee dance all the way to it.

"No pressure on bladder"  ?

Is that the exact message ? I don't know of any message from paf that has that.

Is it  only when trying to use outhouses ?

Edited September 6, 2025 by Dg75

[Dg75]

2 hours ago, jerixho555 said:

I'm getting consistently more crashes since installing PFA. Have the lasted update, this has occurred against two characters on new saves. Always when a PAF event would trigger or when NPC or player is relieving themselves. Crash log if this is helpful. Getting calls for M joint fix and FSMP but even w/o these (renaming dll to off) crashes still occur. Could just be overall script load in my game. 

crash-2025-09-05-22-17-31.log 48.13 kB · 1 download

do you have all pee and farts required files

Stroties, racemenu, slavetats, sexlab...

You can try shutting specific mcm options down between paf and pfa, and maybe see if you can narrow it down. 

 

Just looking through your modlist from the log. I see you have slaveTatsNG , I dont know if its any different but I have the SlaveTats Se 1.3.9

I would check and make sure the ng is compatible with everything from the original . 

I don't see Paf Fixes and Addons.esp in this list of pluggins. I would assume the log would list all loaded pluggins, but maybe I'm wrong. 

and I have know idea what a Mujoint is, but what you see in your probable call stack cannot necessarily be the culprits but maybe gives a clue.

anther clue is to open it in resaver and see if anything pops up their.

Edited September 6, 2025 by Dg75

[jaiden9]

So I managed to get this working in Skyrim VR - and I enjoy it. There are 2 things I'd like added to this. The first is verbose messaging, so a notification every time the stage changes. Also a spell option for checking the needs (struggling to hotkey the check option to a VRIK gesture)

 

The other is having an option to not use an animation but only for player. Right now it works but I have to physically squat into the same position or the avatar gets messed up, which can feel pretty immersive sometimes but also can be awkward. If you remove the animation for the player, I can move myself into any position which would be quite freeing. There's options to turn off animations but I'm worried they would remove them from NPCs too.

Edited September 10, 2025 by jaiden9

[MojosGhost]

Is there any way to turn the volume of PaF down a bit? Like, it is way too loud, the moans and farts. Its like someone is farting directly in my ear hole while everyone whispers around me. Its like my own moans and farts are the loudest thing in Skyrim. Twice as loud as any shout on half volume. WTF. Super annoying. 

[LoneSurvivorMax]

I seem to remember the old Pee and Fart mod just made the character pee when you pressed B instead of locking into an animation. Any thoughts of bringing that back?

[Dg75]

On 9/11/2025 at 5:31 AM, MojosGhost said:

Is there any way to turn the volume of PaF down a bit? Like, it is way too loud, the moans and farts. Its like someone is farting directly in my ear hole while everyone whispers around me. Its like my own moans and farts are the loudest thing in Skyrim. Twice as loud as any shout on half volume. WTF. Super annoying. 

PFA has an mcm option to adjust fart sounds: Commentary page - left pane third option down. Be sure to read the inscription. 

  this option works fine on my end !

 

Their is also a slider in the main game settings, don't rightly know if it works though. 

also their is a pfa option to make farts happen less when taking a paf, like every other time. Options page- left pane last option. 

 

If your PC is farting when getting out of furniture or jumping, this can be shut off: Options Page - right pane - 4th option down

Edited September 13, 2025 by Dg75

[Dg75]

8 hours ago, LoneSurvivorMax said:

I seem to remember the old Pee and Fart mod just made the character pee when you pressed B instead of locking into an animation. Any thoughts of bringing that back?

IDk. Maybe you are referring to paf's animations options to be disabled. Look in Pee and farts mcm. 

Try unselecting all animations, and their may be a "Use animations" option, but not real sure on that, But this would disable it for followers as well. 

 

Or look below post, you can try that

 

 

Edited September 13, 2025 by Dg75

[Dg75]

On 9/10/2025 at 1:11 PM, jaiden9 said:

So I managed to get this working in Skyrim VR - and I enjoy it. There are 2 things I'd like added to this. The first is verbose messaging, so a notification every time the stage changes. Also a spell option for checking the needs (struggling to hotkey the check option to a VRIK gesture)

 

The other is having an option to not use an animation but only for player. Right now it works but I have to physically squat into the same position or the avatar gets messed up, which can feel pretty immersive sometimes but also can be awkward. If you remove the animation for the player, I can move myself into any position which would be quite freeing. There's options to turn off animations but I'm worried they would remove them from NPCs too.

Kool you got it working for vr. I didn't know it was compatible. Their were some who tried it in the past but had issues. 

 

Yeah! Here is a simple script overwrite. Can test it if you want, and if it works okay I'll add it in next update.

  this is only meant as a temporary patch until the main mod updates with it.  This requires the latest update, and weather next 

update actually adds this in or not - if you update again you would need to loose this patch.

 if you are using an older version of pfa, then this would need to be made again for that. 

PFtemp_req_StgMssg.7z

What it does: 

- adds verbose messages when paf stages increases.  I can reword them if needed, if you have better ideas what to say here. 

- Disables PC playing animations when paffing(only PC) - This must be enabled in PFA's mcm - the WaitLock option is obsolete, so I just tied it in here.

   the WaitLock option is found on Options page - right pane second option down. Disregard its description as its obsolete. but it must be enabled 

   for the PC animation negation to function. 

   This wont work for pee/poo in bottles or having accidents.

   For the Boogaloo you can disable its anim option in pfa: Consequences page - left pane 13th option down.

 

I didn't do anything for a spell because Paf already has an Add Spell option, and a Add Spell menu option both in Paf's mcm.

 

Edited September 13, 2025 by Dg75

[jaiden9]

19 hours ago, Dg75 said:

Kool you got it working for vr. I didn't know it was compatible. Their were some who tried it in the past but had issues. 

 

Yeah! Here is a simple script overwrite. Can test it if you want, and if it works okay I'll add it in next update.

  this is only meant as a temporary patch until the main mod updates with it.  This requires the latest update, and weather next 

update actually adds this in or not - if you update again you would need to loose this patch.

 if you are using an older version of pfa, then this would need to be made again for that. 

PFtemp_req_StgMssg.7z 58.63 kB · 0 downloads

What it does: 

- adds verbose messages when paf stages increases.  I can reword them if needed, if you have better ideas what to say here. 

- Disables PC playing animations when paffing(only PC) - This must be enabled in PFA's mcm - the WaitLock option is obsolete, so I just tied it in here.

   the WaitLock option is found on Options page - right pane second option down. Disregard its description as its obsolete. but it must be enabled 

   for the PC animation negation to function. 

   This wont work for pee/poo in bottles or having accidents.

   For the Boogaloo you can disable its anim option in pfa: Consequences page - left pane 13th option down.

 

I didn't do anything for a spell because Paf already has an Add Spell option, and a Add Spell menu option both in Paf's mcm.

 

Thank you so much - I'll test them today and let you know how they work!

[cutexmm]

I don't know why, after starting a new archive, pressing the use button doesn't respond, and using the menu will prompt You're not ready to do that.

[djmoose]

is there an option to add a piece of clothing to be a diaper?

[joyloverz]

Yes im that weirdo that reguesting this. Can someone make patch for poop to be categorized as food and eatable? Thx

[hothot995]

If I’m using this:
Optional Soft requirements – Private Needs Orgasm by @orehomu

Because you said:

“PNO is highly recommended! As it has an awesome pee mesh and orgasm support if used alongside PFA.
It’s your discretion which system to use. If using PFA and PAF’s system to track needs, then I recommend leaving PNO unregistered or in a disabled state.
PFA will use PNO’s pee, and addon idles.”

I followed your advice and left PNO unregistered.

Do I still need to update Private Needs Orgasm separately when it has updates?

Thanks in advance.

[Dg75]

On 9/21/2025 at 8:03 AM, hothot995 said:

If I’m using this:
Optional Soft requirements – Private Needs Orgasm by @orehomu

Because you said:

“PNO is highly recommended! As it has an awesome pee mesh and orgasm support if used alongside PFA.
It’s your discretion which system to use. If using PFA and PAF’s system to track needs, then I recommend leaving PNO unregistered or in a disabled state.
PFA will use PNO’s pee, and addon idles.”

I followed your advice and left PNO unregistered.

Do I still need to update Private Needs Orgasm separately when it has updates?

Thanks in advance.

I normally update my pno when a new version comes out.

So as long as pno hasn't changed the functionality pfa uses, and if it did or if you experience issues you can -

try unchecking the "Let pfa handle pno" mcm opt. 

If pno recently updated, i'll check it out to make sure.

 

[Dg75]

On 9/19/2025 at 12:20 PM, cutexmm said:

I don't know why, after starting a new archive, pressing the use button doesn't respond, and using the menu will prompt You're not ready to do that.

what do you mean start a new archive ?

when pressing the use button - I suppose you mean paf's mcm action button - default B

if getting "you're not ready to do that." is a message that shows when a condition fails. 

1. make sure bladder and or bowls are enabled in pee and fart's mcm.

2. turn on pfa's debug mcm option and try again. It may give feedback on what is failing.

[Dg75]

On 9/20/2025 at 5:55 PM, djmoose said:

is there an option to add a piece of clothing to be a diaper?

hah! pfa's Use DD

[Dg75]

On 9/21/2025 at 7:49 AM, joyloverz said:

Yes im that weirdo that reguesting this. Can someone make patch for poop to be categorized as food and eatable? Thx

really !

 

Open pfa in xedit. See under Ingestable - "clutter\PeeAndFart\poop.nif" this is the poop model, but it when world moddle is spawned in game it looks like poop

but when picked up and placed in inventory the invy model looks like a potion. I dont know how to make it look like poop in your inventory. 

but the poop potion is edible, you can cook it too 😀

 

If you wanted to change it so its not poison but food: 

1. Open pfa in xedit

2. click on ingestible in PFA , right click on Paf_poopPotion  - select "copy as overide into" select a new esp  - esl  (flagged light)

    Name it "eat shit" or whatever . .

3. find it in your newly created mod, see right pane under ENID Effect Data then directly across the header Flag(sorted)

    double left click and unselect poison flag then select Food item.

    probably would want to change the magic effect it dose. Just find a suitable one in skyrim.esm - copy its form id and paste it over

    the effect to be changed.  Now you should be able to eat it without having to cook it.

Edited September 24, 2025 by Dg75

[djmoose]

45 minutes ago, Dg75 said:

hah! pfa's Use DD

i guess what i meant to say was can you add an option to mark an article of clothing as a diaper, say the rubber catsuit?

 

[Dg75]

9 minutes ago, djmoose said:

i guess what i meant to say was can you add an option to mark an article of clothing as a diaper, say the rubber catsuit?

 

possible. I would probably have to designate a equip slot, else we'd have someone trying to equip boots as a diaper.

by default pafs diapers use slot 52 same as a schlong. Although a 32 body or a 49 pelvis would work as well, this is only really for

pfas worn functions as they check those slots to decide if wearing anything down their or not and maybe not necessary for what you want.

 

So you mean by enabling pafs diaper system, and when guards force diaper on instead of diaper it gets a mcm-user added garment instead. 

Script functions would need to edited to allow for alternate diapers, could be systematic but possible. I'll look into it - do you got specifics on any preferences ?

[djmoose]

5 minutes ago, Dg75 said:

possible. I would probably have to designate a equip slot, else we'd have someone trying to equip boots as a diaper.

by default pafs diapers use slot 52 same as a schlong. Although a 32 body or a 49 pelvis would work as well, this is only really for

pfas worn functions as they check those slots to decide if wearing anything down their or not and maybe not necessary for what you want.

 

So you mean by enabling pafs diaper system, and when guards force diaper on instead of diaper it gets a mcm-user added garment instead. 

Script functions would need to edited to allow for alternate diapers, could be systematic but possible. I'll look into it - do you got specifics on any preferences ?

well its more so on the inflation side, when wearing a diaper, the ass "inflates" so maybe wearing a catsuit this could also happen to simulate filling it up 

[Dg75]

3 minutes ago, djmoose said:

well its more so on the inflation side, when wearing a diaper, the ass "inflates" so maybe wearing a catsuit this could also happen to simulate filling it up 

catsuits inflate ? Oh you mean the morph, I never use the diapers so  . 

Edited September 24, 2025 by Dg75

[djmoose]

1 minute ago, Dg75 said:

catsuits inflate ? Oh you mean the morph, I never use the diapers so  . 

yeah the morph lol sorry, still learning the words. the catsuit would replace the diaper then the pc would use the diaper slot which is the bodysuit. just an idea