Devious Devices NG

[daggerbot]

Will this work together with Unforgiving Devices?

[ebbluminous]

9 minutes ago, daggerbot said:

Will this work together with Unforgiving Devices?

Will you read the description?

[daggerbot]

8 minutes ago, ebbluminous said:

Will you read the description?

Sorry...

[Herowynne]

2 hours ago, zwdragonbone8314 said:

Hi, I think MFG Fix no longer working after I install this mod.

 

For me, it seems to be working okay for both player character and follower. See screenshot inside spoiler.

 

Spoiler

 

[Guest]

A couple of basic bug reports - I've uninstalled for now, although I hugely appreciate the effort and will be agog to see this blossom under your stewardship, ponzi.

 

For reference, this is with MO2, in an entirely new game, in Skyrim AE, with the latest AE version of Framework (and not P+ or some such variation), with SLSO, SLUP, and Tools. I'd guess these are likely related to other mods I have installed, so I don't expect you to be able to troubleshoot them as is, but I figured I'd add a voice here in case / when others run into similar issues so that you can prioritize.

 

- As ebbluminous reported, going to Devices MCM > Devices Underneath (1) > Item Hider Slot and trying to change the default selection causes a CTD.

- Starting any sex scene causes a CTD (which I'd guess is probably an interaction with one or more of the combat mods I have installed, I'll try without them when I have time), with or without devious devices equipped (which I found odd, but starting a game with the exact same modset but without DD NG does not crash)

 

Thanks again for all your effort!

Edited October 18, 2023 by transfer
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[krzp]

7 hours ago, ebbluminous said:

When going to the Devious Devices MCM > Devices Underneath (1) > Item Hider Slot

 

If I try to change the default selection, I get a CTD. This is for SE.

Couldn't reproduce this on my AE, so it could be a 1.5.97 specific thing? A crash log & DLL log would be helpful if you have it ?

Edited October 18, 2023 by krzp

[krzp]

3 hours ago, transfer said:

- Starting any sex scene causes a CTD (which I'd guess is probably an interaction with one or more of the combat mods I have installed, I'll try without them when I have time), with or without devious devices equipped (which I found odd, but starting a game with the exact same modset but without DD NG does not crash)

Crash log & DLL log would be helpful to identify what went wrong ☺️

 

I've been mostly testing it with SL P+, but I know that it was working with base SL as well for that one time i've turned off P+.

[akssi]

11 hours ago, krzp said:

如果没有新游戏，它就无法正常工作。

 

不，这两个都包括在内。

 

基础DD在MCM的“动画设置”里不是有关闭滤镜的功能吗？ 

 

我将重新打开我的，因为 Taki17 为所有设备添加了大量新动画 - 并且旧的笨重的 Zap 动画已经消失，所以它更容易忍受。?

What if we only want animation? I only left the meshes folder and deleted the rest. The animation runs perfectly in the game. Are there any side effects?

[BadJoke]

So I saw that so far no p+ support, but what about utility+? Should they be able to play nice together?

[krzp]

30 minutes ago, akssi said:

What if we only want animation? I only left the meshes folder and deleted the rest. The animation runs perfectly in the game. Are there any side effects?

It's your game after all, do what you want with it. ?  But, for example, without certain scripts you are missing all the OAR functionality.

And the animation filter won't work unless started on the new game.

 

34 minutes ago, BadJoke said:

So I saw that so far no p+ support, but what about utility+? Should they be able to play nice together?

It works with P+ on the current publicly available version, 1.8.something - at least it has worked for me, and I think ponzipyramid tested with it too.

Early release discord's version of P+ - 2.0 - isn't supported yet due to the fact that it's not compatible with pretty much anything yet, but we are slowly working in that direction ?

 

Can't say much about U+ compatibility, haven't used it since P+ came out - it probably works, but I'm not sure what tweaks Osmel did to animation registration process.

[Rubikon11]

I have tried this together with unforgiving devices. I have installed taki.esp with a higher priority than UD patch.esp (I believe that's what "below" means in the mod description). The devices are not patched by UD, i.e. the new struggle functionality of UD is not there. UD native devices work, though.

 

Also I have tried the framework together with Cursed Loot. Most of the events of DCL that equip special devices don't work, i.e. the event is triggered, a message appears, but the device is not equipped.

Edited October 18, 2023 by Rubikon11

[krzp]

3 minutes ago, Rubikon11 said:

I have tried this together with unforgiving devices. I have installed taki.esp with a higher priority than UD patch.esp (I believe that's what "below" means in the mod description). The devices are not patched by UD, i.e. the new struggle functionality of UD is not there. UD native devices work, though.

Load below = higher priority (in MO2 terms, at least). So, if you've got the UD DD patch, it needs to be loaded with a higher priority (i.e. dragged below in load order) than the overhaul's esp, or you'll lose out on UD's functions for base DD. ?

 

6 minutes ago, Rubikon11 said:

Also I have tried the framework together with Cursed Loot. Most of the events of DCL that equip special devices don't work, i.e. the event is triggered, a message appears, but the device is not equipped.

I'll have to try it out - do you remember which event didn't equip anything, so I can try to test the same one?

 

I've only tested with Deviously Enchanted Chests, that one worked for me.

[Herowynne]

6 hours ago, transfer said:

Starting any sex scene causes a CTD (which I'd guess is probably an interaction with one or more of the combat mods I have installed, I'll try without them when I have time), with or without devious devices equipped

Another data point - I am running SE 1.5.97 with base Sexlab (not P+) and with DD NG, and sex scenes start okay for me, no CTD, both with and without DDs equipped.

[Herowynne]

32 minutes ago, Rubikon11 said:

Also I have tried the framework together with Cursed Loot. Most of the events of DCL that equip special devices don't work, i.e. the event is triggered, a message appears, but the device is not equipped.

Another data point - I have been using DD NG with DCL, and DCL’s events have all been working okay for me, equipping DDs as expected, with the added benefit of significantly improved performance for the equipping.

[Rubikon11]

24 minutes ago, krzp said:

Load below = higher priority (in MO2 terms, at least). So, if you've got the UD DD patch, it needs to be loaded with a higher priority (i.e. dragged below in load order) than the overhaul's esp, or you'll lose out on UD's functions for base DD. ?

 

I'll have to try it out - do you remember which event didn't equip anything, so I can try to test the same one?

 

I've only tested with Deviously Enchanted Chests, that one worked for me.

 

Thanks for the clarification, I will test it.

 

The "enchanted chest" functionality of DCL works, the standard devices are equipped. But when you trigger a special DCL device, e.g. the slave collar or the slave gag, the device is not equipped. Should taki.esp be loaded with a higher or lower priority than DCL?

[krzp]

16 minutes ago, Rubikon11 said:

The "enchanted chest" functionality of DCL works, the standard devices are equipped. But when you trigger a special DCL device, e.g. the slave collar or the slave gag, the device is not equipped. Should taki.esp be loaded with a higher or lower priority than DCL?

Taki's overhaul doesn't touch DCL's custom stuff, I think - it only adds some fixes and animations to base DD items, so load order shouldn't affect it much (though, my gut says the overhaul should be loaded with a higher priority just in case, as it is newer).

 

Would be great if you could upload your <username>\Documents\My Games\Skyrim Special Edition\SKSE\DeviousDevicesNG.log when that happens again.

 

And l ooks like it's "Saving Private Chloe" time for me again. ?

 

27 minutes ago, Herowynne said:

with the added benefit of significantly improved performance for the equipping.

???

 

When phase 2 (3? 4?) goes live, with all the equipment changes, that's when it will really get good! ... don't know when that'll happen, though - I'm over there mostly to play around with my little animations and test cool new stuff, but actual smart people are doing their smart people things at their own pace ?

[serranna]

57 minutes ago, krzp said:

I'll have to try it out - do you remember which event didn't equip anything, so I can try to test the same one?

 

I just had that happen. The slave chastity belt didn't equip after it said it would. I could only assume the other ones, the slave gag, slave collar and shock boots won't work either.

 

 

Could I make a new animation request for the next release? I would love to see sitting animation for the yoke and armbinder. Even if the player can't currently interact with furniture while wearing one, if the animations exist I could at least turn sandboxing back on for my followers.

[valentinian]

4 hours ago, krzp said:

Couldn't reproduce this on my AE, so it could be a 1.5.97 specific thing? A crash log & DLL log would be helpful if you have it ?

FWIW, I was able to create a similar crash on SE 1.5.97, but only on a fresh new game -- that is, trying to manipulate the Device Hider settings without saving and reloading the save at least once.

 

After first save and reload, though, the crash no longer happens.  At least in my case, there seems to be some initialization that only happens on reload of the game.

[ebbluminous]

5 hours ago, krzp said:

Couldn't reproduce this on my AE, so it could be a 1.5.97 specific thing? A crash log & DLL log would be helpful if you have it ?

Could be a 1.5.97 thing.

I uninstalled NG and it was ok. I'll reinstall later after work to get you the info you need.

[ebbluminous]

36 minutes ago, valentinian said:

FWIW, I was able to create a similar crash on SE 1.5.97, but only on a fresh new game -- that is, trying to manipulate the Device Hider settings without saving and reloading the save at least once.

 

After first save and reload, though, the crash no longer happens.  At least in my case, there seems to be some initialization that only happens on reload of the game.

Hmm it was a fresh game for me as well. When I readd the mod I'll try this as well

[Guest]

6 hours ago, valentinian said:

FWIW, I was able to create a similar crash on SE 1.5.97, but only on a fresh new game -- that is, trying to manipulate the Device Hider settings without saving and reloading the save at least once.

 

After first save and reload, though, the crash no longer happens.  At least in my case, there seems to be some initialization that only happens on reload of the game.

 

Double-checked and this is definitely the case for me as well - Crashes reliably if I manipulate device hider without saving and reloading at least once, but is fine thereafter.

 

I tried uninstalling SLUP and the crash on scene now happens midway through the scene instead of when it starts, which is encouraging but still not playable. Yet!

 

Thanks, everyone for all the data points!

[krzp]

12 minutes ago, transfer said:

I tried uninstalling SLUP and the crash on scene now happens midway through the scene instead of when it starts, which is encouraging but still not playable. Yet!

As this seems to be unique to your installation, it could be tough for us to troubleshoot without a crash log ?

 

8 hours ago, serranna said:

Could I make a new animation request for the next release? I would love to see sitting animation for the yoke and armbinder. Even if the player can't currently interact with furniture while wearing one, if the animations exist I could at least turn sandboxing back on for my followers.

I actually made a few of those when I was testing the editing mechanism!

 

Spoiler

 

I don't have a full set yet, as there are quite a few variations that need to be edited. But I took a note of your request, and will try to get to that eventually - can't promise to finish them in time for the next release, though. ?

[Herowynne]

10 hours ago, serranna said:

The slave chastity belt didn't equip after it said it would. I could only assume the other ones, the slave gag, slave collar and shock boots won't work either.

 

The DCL Slave Gag and Slave Collar equipping events are working okay for me. (I haven't gotten the Slave Chastity Belt event yet.)

 

I just spent some time testing DCL events. I set the DCL MCM General tab / Basic Cursed Loot chance = 100%, saved in front of a chest, and then repeatedly reloaded the save and opened the chest:

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I did not see any problems with devices not being equipped.

 

Here are some examples of events that occurred...

 

Slave Gag:

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Slave collar:

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Whore collar:

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High-security restraints:

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Furniture trap:

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A Little Bondage Adventure (and the equipping of DDs is now remarkably fast with DD NG):

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DCL ambush rape event:

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Edited October 18, 2023 by Herowynne

[El_Duderino]

Thank you so much, to all of you fine and generous people who teamed up to make this happen! ?

 

There are some truly fantastic new features and improvements in DD NG.

 

I have a couple questions about NG:

 

For mod development purposes, would there be any benefits to switching to NG in my CK installation of the game? Or should I stick with DD Classic for dev purposes, at least for mods that I started writing before NG? I'm currently using "out of the box" DD without any tweaks or enhancements in my CK installation.

 

My other question is mainly because I've been out of the loop for a while: what are P+ and U+? ?

 

Thanks again, to all of you who make this place here such a special and creative community!

[Rubikon11]

1 hour ago, Herowynne said:

 

The DCL Slave Gag and Slave Collar equipping events are working okay for me. (I haven't gotten the Slave Chastity Belt event yet.)

 

I just spent some time testing DCL events. I set the DCL MCM General tab / Basic Cursed Loot chance = 100%, saved in front of a chest, and then repeatedly reloaded the save and opened the chest:

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I did not see any problems with devices not being equipped.

 

Here are some examples of events that occurred...

 

Slave Gag:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Slave collar:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Whore collar:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

High-security restraints:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Furniture trap:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

A Little Bondage Adventure (and the equipping of DDs is now remarkably fast with DD NG):

  Reveal hidden contents

 

DCL ambush rape event:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

 

I went through the events one by one.

 

Working: Standard devices, furniture, gas trap, high security, head harness, bondage adventure, flash-bang, bondage adventure

 

Everything else does not work. I deactivated DD-NG, reloaded the save, and everything works (except cursed collar and rubber doll, but I never was able to get this before as well. Is there a minimum level for it?).  I have added the log, though I don't know if it is of any help.

DeviousDevicesNG.log