Licenses - Player Oppression

[F0xii]

I can't for the life of me figure out how to get the MCM to show up. I'm on a fully new save, tried 'setstage ski_configmanagerinstance 1', tried 'stopquest BM_Licenses_MCM' + 'startquest BM_Licenses_MCM', and I'm beyond confused.

 

edit: nvm finally got it after the 10th attempt i guess lmao

Edited October 20, 2023 by F0xiiNat0r

[Nuascura]

7 hours ago, brdc said:

Good to know why and how. Thanks!

Yet I still wonder what exactly breaks the rules when I am not having a life insurance? In my case I had all the licenses except the life one so I could have only broken its rules.

 

Few more questions:

When updating from 1.2.0 to 1.2.1, is it save that just replace it in MO?

Anyway to extend my owned licenses within duration? Or I can only buy them again after expired?

Life Insurance affects Weapon, Clothing, Bikini, Armor, and Magic licenses. Furthermore, when you break an insurance rule, you also break its corresponding license rule. The two go hand-in-hand when the script processes your character. This simultaneity is why your multiplier jumped drastically, since you’re not breaking just one ‘rule’. By breaking an insurance rule, you are always breaking two rules at once.

If no insurance:

1. Wear armor
2. Script processes insurance violation
3. Script then also processes armor violation

 

Update from 1.2.0 to 1.2.1 by just replacing it in MO.

 

No, you can’t extend the duration. This is an intentional design. You can only buy them again once they’ve expired.

Edited October 20, 2023 by Gyra

[brdc]

5 hours ago, Gyra said:

No, you can’t extend the duration. This is an intentional design. You can only buy them again once they’ve expired.

Although I haven't experienced, but it sounds like a doomed punishment between two durations? Even if I just wait for the licenses expiration right beside a seller and try buying them again?

[brdc]

Oh, one super tiny issue I noticed in MO, is the file "changelog.txt" would conflict the ones from other mods. As many mods put it in the same place of the Data archive. 

Could you please rename it like "BMLE changelog" or whatever you prefer in future updates?

Edited October 20, 2023 by brdc

[Nuascura]

12 hours ago, brdc said:

Oh, one super tiny issue I noticed in MO, is the file "changelog.txt" would conflict the ones from other mods. As many mods put it in the same place of the Data archive. 

Could you please rename it like "BMLE changelog" or whatever you prefer in future updates?

Can do.

 

12 hours ago, brdc said:

Although I haven't experienced, but it sounds like a doomed punishment between two durations? Even if I just wait for the licenses expiration right beside a seller and try buying them again?

Yes. You have to remember not to violate any license rules in-between valid periods. For Armor Licenses, I imagine it like this: License Sellers force you to strip down before you renew your license, thus humiliating yourself and reminding you that your privileges are not forever.

[brdc]

6 hours ago, Gyra said:

Can do.

Thank you!

6 hours ago, Gyra said:

Yes. You have to remember not to violate any license rules in-between valid periods. For Armor Licenses, I imagine it like this: License Sellers force you to strip down before you renew your license, thus humiliating yourself and reminding you that your privileges are not forever.

That makes sense to me. Otherwise we can just keep paying the money and ignore all the punishments, it will kill the fun and meaning of this mod.

Besides, I found the new feature interacting with water really immersive and interesting. Good job!

[Nuascura]

@brdc Just out of curiosity of how you prefer to play, how many BMLE license features do you have enabled?

[brdc]

15 hours ago, Gyra said:

Just out of curiosity of how you prefer to play, how many BMLE license features do you have enabled?

Well, my mod environment, or more specifically, sexlab mod environment, of my current save, is mainly built around DD and DCL. And nearly no slavery thing. 

To me, this mod is a light-weight addition to my DD-fancy playthrough. Plus I have completed the Barenziah quest and can find jewel everywhere, so BMLE offers my septims a good place to go instead of strongboxes, with all license features enabled. 

 

One thing makes me feel comfortable about BMLE is, in the durations basically I don't have to worry anything about this mod. It won't have too many effect on my normal playthrough. But on the other side, BMLE is a bit lacking in presence in license durations. So water damage feature is really a good start, as it strengthens the presence and keeps light-weighted at the same time. Good job!

 

Another thing comes to me that for a really rich dragonborn, like my PC, money itself cannot be the limitation of buying licenses. I can just spend the money without further thinking and then worry nothing within the durations.

 

What about a license number limitation feature? Like you can only buy up to "number of enabled license"-"configurable limitation number" of licenses (Edit: or more straightforward, just set the number of licenses allowed to buy). And license sellers would say things like "You may be able to buy some freedom, but cannot buy everything."

Or not allowed to buy a same license again within X days or two continuous periods, things like these. And license sellers would say things like "You may be able to buy some freedom time, but cannot buy them constantly."

In these way, even you are so rich that not worrying about money, you will still have to think carefully what license to buy or when to buy. And everything are configurable for each player as well as not too complicated.

Edited October 21, 2023 by brdc

[brdc]

Oh, one more thing wanna ask: what equipment slots is the armor/clothing/bikini licenses actually checking? As I'm using mixed mod clothing/armors that almost take up my every slots, I'm really not sure what parts of my clothing set would be affected.

[yotvjsv]

29 minutes ago, brdc said:

Another thing comes to me that for a really rich dragonborn, like my PC, money itself cannot be the limitation of buying licenses. I can just spend the money without further thinking and then worry nothing within the durations.

 

What about a license number limitation feature? Like you can only buy up to "number of enabled license"-"configurable limitation number" of licenses. And license sellers would say things like "You may be able to buy some freedom, but cannot buy everything."

Or not allowed to buy a same license again within X days or two continuous periods, things like these. And license sellers would say things like "You may be able to buy some freedom time, but cannot buy them constantly."

In these way, even you are so rich that not worrying about money, you will still have to think carefully what license to buy or when to buy. And everything are configurable for each player as well as not too complicated.

Really cool idea! big +

[Nuascura]

2 hours ago, brdc said:

What about a license number limitation feature? Like you can only buy up to "number of enabled license"-"configurable limitation number" of licenses (Edit: or more straightforward, just set the number of licenses allowed to buy). And license sellers would say things like "You may be able to buy some freedom, but cannot buy everything."

Or not allowed to buy a same license again within X days or two continuous periods, things like these. And license sellers would say things like "You may be able to buy some freedom time, but cannot buy them constantly."

In these way, even you are so rich that not worrying about money, you will still have to think carefully what license to buy or when to buy. And everything are configurable for each player as well as not too complicated.

I will definitely look into this. Not a bad idea at all.

A currently available alternative (in some respect) is to enable your preferred license features but set the "license seller job faction" setting to none, no faction, or whatever it's called. Basically, disable license seller so that BMLE is all just rules for women or men, depending on your imagination. No licenses available.

 

2 hours ago, brdc said:

Oh, one more thing wanna ask: what equipment slots is the armor/clothing/bikini licenses actually checking? As I'm using mixed mod clothing/armors that almost take up my every slots, I'm really not sure what parts of my clothing set would be affected.

Configurable equipment slots are noted inside the MCM, in the option highlight window. 32, 42, 33, 37, 49. Body, head, hands, feet, shield, respectively.

[brdc]

8 hours ago, Gyra said:

A currently available alternative (in some respect) is to enable your preferred license features but set the "license seller job faction" setting to none, no faction, or whatever it's called. Basically, disable license seller so that BMLE is all just rules for women or men, depending on your imagination. No licenses available.

It is an alternative, but only functionally. Making choice in MCM is more like configuration, making choice in game is more like playing. And without the restriction of license duration, player can change their choice in MCM at any moment. It will make BMLE meaningless in a way.

 

In my view, the quantity of licenses is kinda enough now. Instead of merely adding another bunch of licenses, there's more way to add flavour to BMLE--license combination, randomness, buying limitation like I mentioned before, other minor influence like water damage, etc. It can shine bright enough without being over-scripted and as harsh as those slavery mods.

 

9 hours ago, Gyra said:

32, 42, 33, 37, 49. Body, head, hands, feet, shield, respectively.

That's so good not having dragonborn completely stripped. Half naked is better than full naked in most of time, isn't it? ?

[Black714]

May I suggest for Chastity License for future update?

 

Because the reason during adventure is: 
Parasite mod, (Estrus Chaurus, Spider, Dwarven, FMEA, Enchant Chest)
Pregnancy, (Being Female, Soulgem Oven)
Rape (Defeat Mod, and Simillar Like)

 

Maybe Can Add additional with Plug (and The Guard Can Check it) if player Manipulate it or for Control/Report System alike.

 

Edited October 22, 2023 by Black714

[Nuascura]

On 10/21/2023 at 12:08 PM, brdc said:

Or not allowed to buy a same license again within X days or two continuous periods, things like these.

Would you rather this cooldown period be user-configurable or based on license's validity duration?

 

For the latter, it also doesn't have to be 1:1 with license duration. If player purchases license for 12 days, cooldown period could be 6 days. This punishes longer license durations.

[Nuascura]

10 hours ago, Black714 said:

May I suggest for Chastity License for future update?

Are you suggesting a license to wear chastity belts or a license to remove chastity belts?

[Corsec]

 

Have you considered a horse-owning licence?

 

On 10/21/2023 at 8:08 PM, brdc said:

Another thing comes to me that for a really rich dragonborn, like my PC, money itself cannot be the limitation of buying licenses. I can just spend the money without further thinking and then worry nothing within the durations.

 

I think this is true, and was a problem I had with SLS. If your character gets rich enough the licencing system just becomes a chore. A player can solve this for themselves by using the MCM to increase licence costs but it's an unsatisfying solution. It helps if you use a Death Alternative mod, because defeat can mean getting your licences, goods and gold stolen and you have to start over with nothing.

 

I think it'd be good to counteract this by making it so that as the PC becomes richer and more powerful then there will be more difficulties to buying licences, and these shouldn't be problems that the player can solve with gold. The logic is that if your character is seen as more valuable, then the more the sexually abusive and corrupt the system will become towards your character.

 

If I could suggest anything, it'd be to use the insurance cost modifier as a difficulty measure. The higher it gets, the more likely there is to be a difficult 'event' when you try to buy a licence. Not like the SLS events where you just get told you have to wait to buy another one. Instead, it'd involve rich and powerful people abusing the legal system to extort sexual favours from the PC. If you refuse, then you get blocked from buying more licences in that hold for a while.

 

Possibly allow an MCM option so that if your insurance modifier exceeds a limit then when attempting to buy licences there is a chance that the steward will instead sell the player to SS++. For her own good.

 

 

22 hours ago, Gyra said:

A currently available alternative (in some respect) is to enable your preferred license features but set the "license seller job faction" setting to none, no faction, or whatever it's called. Basically, disable license seller so that BMLE is all just rules for women or men, depending on your imagination. No licenses available.

 

How about an optional restriction to detect player slavery quests from other mods and only allowing the player to buy and hold valid licences if they currently have an Owner? In this case, it's technically the Owner who legally is buying the licences.

[Nuascura]

4 hours ago, Corsec said:

Have you considered a horse-owning licence?

Nah. We've got enough Primary and Secondary licenses after Curfew Exemption is added. In terms of further license features, the only one I'm considering is a catch-all bondage license to further fill-in the Devious Devices feature-set.

 

4 hours ago, Corsec said:

How about an optional restriction to detect player slavery quests from other mods and only allowing the player to buy and hold valid licences if they currently have an Owner? In this case, it's technically the Owner who legally is buying the licences.

Possible! I'll see about it.

 

Priority right now is to flesh out current features and eliminate bugs.

 

Primarily:

- something to restrict casting spells

- some way to buy back confiscated items

Edited October 23, 2023 by Gyra

[brdc]

4 hours ago, Gyra said:

Would you rather this cooldown period be user-configurable or based on license's validity duration?

 

For the latter, it also doesn't have to be 1:1 with license duration. If player purchases license for 12 days, cooldown period could be 6 days. This punishes longer license durations.

How about making it a range selectable? Two tabs selecting min and max days(or hours) of cooldown, and both ranging from 0 to license duration. Then the actual cooldown is randomly picked between min and max. In this way, not only the cooldown is configurable from 0 to a whole license duration, but also could add the thrill of unknown. What's more, if you wanna punish longer license durations, you could lock (forcefully or offer a choice, it's up to you) the max cooldown to equaling the duration. Then the player would still face the risk of having a long cooldown however small he/she sets the min.

Plus the license durations can be range randomized too.

 

[brdc]

4 hours ago, Corsec said:

I think this is true, and was a problem I had with SLS. If your character gets rich enough the licencing system just becomes a chore. A player can solve this for themselves by using the MCM to increase licence costs but it's an unsatisfying solution. It helps if you use a Death Alternative mod, because defeat can mean getting your licences, goods and gold stolen and you have to start over with nothing.

 

I think it'd be good to counteract this by making it so that as the PC becomes richer and more powerful then there will be more difficulties to buying licences, and these shouldn't be problems that the player can solve with gold. The logic is that if your character is seen as more valuable, then the more the sexually abusive and corrupt the system will become towards your character.

 

If I could suggest anything, it'd be to use the insurance cost modifier as a difficulty measure. The higher it gets, the more likely there is to be a difficult 'event' when you try to buy a licence. Not like the SLS events where you just get told you have to wait to buy another one. Instead, it'd involve rich and powerful people abusing the legal system to extort sexual favours from the PC. If you refuse, then you get blocked from buying more licences in that hold for a while.

 

Possibly allow an MCM option so that if your insurance modifier exceeds a limit then when attempting to buy licences there is a chance that the steward will instead sell the player to SS++. For her own good.

 

Good point. It's better to add some events to make it harder getting license than just merely costing more or waiting longer.

Interacting to other mods is good, but shouldn't be the implementation of a feature in this mod. So what we are asking is adding events in this mod itself. 

But as the author has just mentioned the priority right now, let's just let him finish the tasks on hand and wait to see future development of this mod.

[yotvjsv]

10 hours ago, Gyra said:

Are you suggesting a license to wear chastity belts or a license to remove chastity belts?

Thats what i was thinking about, maybe full bondage exemption could be split in two separate parts?
First one, branding and humiliation e.g. cuffs, boots, gloves, corset/harness, piercings and theres is a question, what do you do with all the real punishing devices e.g. blindfold/gag/mittens/armbinders/hobble dresses etc..
The second one would be strictly chastity - bra and belt with locking plugs.

[Nuascura]

A heads-up: I've just finished a major-restructuring of this mod's back-end to improve script clarity for myself and modularity for other mod authors to hook-in. This process involved moving script variable from script-to-script. I should probably increment the minor version number. However, existing saves can upgrade by cleaning their save after installation, so I hope I can stick to incrementing the patch version number instead.

[r3mind]

I've always liked the idea of license system and this mod looks like a nice improvement to SLS, but it's hard to make it a real gold sink without additional mods (less loot, harder barter, etc.), that's why I think simply having enough gold shouldn't solve all the problems with the law. Guards could play tricks on PC, suddenly change the rules, make silly demands, invalidate/confiscate licenses, etc. Those are just random thoughts, but I think you get the idea

[Black714]

On 10/23/2023 at 2:50 AM, Gyra said:

Are you suggesting a license to wear chastity belts or a license to remove chastity belts?

Remove the Belt. (must wear for security reason).

Maybe for Plug can similar like Bikini and Cloth License.

Player can wear Belt without plug. if have Plug License. 
Chastity License will cover both.

Edited October 24, 2023 by Black714

[Black714]

On 10/23/2023 at 2:21 PM, yotvjsv said:

Thats what i was thinking about, maybe full bondage exemption could be split in two separate parts?
First one, branding and humiliation e.g. cuffs, boots, gloves, corset/harness, piercings and theres is a question, what do you do with all the real punishing devices e.g. blindfold/gag/mittens/armbinders/hobble dresses etc..
The second one would be strictly chastity - bra and belt with locking plugs.

Full bondage will be hard during Quest time,
but collar, belt, and plug is good combination. at least player can roaming with Erotic Adventure.
Collar for Ownership, Plug for Control, Belt for Security.

at least there is already have Collar License already ?

I ever Suggest it in SLS Support Page about Freedom License for Belt and Plug for Insurance. but SLS seems Discontinue ?

Edited October 24, 2023 by Black714

[Nuascura]

5 hours ago, Vigor said:

Guards could play tricks on PC, suddenly change the rules, make silly demands, invalidate/confiscate licenses, etc.

Working on implementing a license cooldown as suggested earlier. It’ll be variable based on misbehavior in addition to varying on a time randomizer.

 

I’ll see what else I can do.