The Sisterhood of Dibella LE (February 2023)

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

Just as a test, I set _SLSD_QST_Initiation to 25 and it said "bring the letter to Senna". I got the letter and didn't see the dialogue to give it to her. 

 

So something is blocking the dialogue, even with the dibella mods placed at the bottom of both the overwrite panel and the plugin panel. NOTHING can overwrite them, so why we're getting blocked dialogue is a mystery.

 

I even checked SSEEDit for conflicts, especially dialogue. No such conflicts found.

Edited January 3, 2023 by TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft

[DeepBlueFrog]

16 minutes ago, TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft said:

Just as a test, I set _SLSD_QST_Initiation to 25 and it said "bring the letter to Senna". I got the letter and didn't see the dialogue to give it to her. 

 

So something is blocking the dialogue, even with the dibella mods placed at the bottom of both the overwrite panel and the plugin panel. NOTHING can overwrite them, so why we're getting blocked dialogue is a mystery.

 

I even checked SSEEDit for conflicts, especially dialogue. No such conflicts found.

 

In case that can help, you can find my load order on my blog here or at this page on Tumblr.

 

You can both compare to your load order and see if anything stands out.

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

15 minutes ago, DeepBlueFrog said:

 

In case that can help, you can find my load order on my blog here or at this page on Tumblr.

 

You can both compare to your load order and see if anything stands out.

 

 

I'm looking at your load order. Is that an LE order? I'm running SE.

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

18 minutes ago, DeepBlueFrog said:

 

In case that can help, you can find my load order on my blog here or at this page on Tumblr.

 

You can both compare to your load order and see if anything stands out.

 

I don't see anything that stands out. I don't have nearly the number of mods you have. In fact, most of my mods are clothing mods. I do have BBLS and NFF installed, but I still don't know how they would block dialogues.

 

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[DeepBlueFrog]

12 minutes ago, TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft said:

 

 

I'm looking at your load order. Is that an LE order? I'm running SE.

 

I am on LE and about to rebuild on SE.

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

I'll bite the bullet and deactivate all but the absolute minimal mods and start a new game. If I get dialogue, then I'll know that one or more mods aren't playing well with Dibella -- or vice versa. Because SSEEdit and MO2 aren't showing conflicts, nothing is obvious. I'll know in an hour or less. Then it'll be a matter of starting a new game with 25% more mods each time until I see some culprits.

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

OK, after running with minimal mods, I didn't get any of the expected dialogue options after turning in the two letters and training Fjotra multiple times. Seeing as other people are reporting this, I know it's not just me. And I know it's not one of my other mods blocking dialogue.

[DeepBlueFrog]

1 hour ago, TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft said:

OK, after running with minimal mods, I didn't get any of the expected dialogue options after turning in the two letters and training Fjotra multiple times. Seeing as other people are reporting this, I know it's not just me. And I know it's not one of my other mods blocking dialogue.

 

Very strange.

 

I will try to reproduce it for LE... and then for SE once I switch.

 

Can you send me a PM with details about what you do exactly to reproduce the error?

Do you actually play through the quest? or do you skip some steps with SetStage?

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

12 hours ago, DeepBlueFrog said:

 

Very strange.

 

I will try to reproduce it for LE... and then for SE once I switch.

 

Can you send me a PM with details about what you do exactly to reproduce the error?

Do you actually play through the quest? or do you skip some steps with SetStage?

I didn't touch the console at all.

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

17 hours ago, DeepBlueFrog said:

 

Very strange.

 

I will try to reproduce it for LE... and then for SE once I switch.

 

Can you send me a PM with details about what you do exactly to reproduce the error?

Do you actually play through the quest? or do you skip some steps with SetStage?

 

Just send you a PM. Really simple. Just followed the game.

[bubba999]

Playing on SE. The inside of the Temple of Dibella looks like this. Any ideas what's going on here? The rest of my game looks absolutely normal.

Edited January 6, 2023 by bubba999

[outcast]

56 minutes ago, bubba999 said:

Playing on SE. The inside of the Temple of Dibella looks like this. Any ideas what's going on here? The rest of my game looks absolutely normal.

Might be a ENB issue.

[DeepBlueFrog]

1 hour ago, bubba999 said:

Playing on SE. The inside of the Temple of Dibella looks like this. Any ideas what's going on here? The rest of my game looks absolutely normal.

 

I added extra directional light to the temple and didn't realize it would look like this for people not using ENB.

You can disable them using the menu on one of the stone flowers on the altar.

 

[Miauzi]

Am 3.1.2023 um 7:25 Uhr sagte DeepBlueFrog:

 

Sehr eigenartig.

 

Ich werde versuchen, es für LE zu reproduzieren ... und dann für SE, sobald ich umschalte.

 

Kannst du mir eine PN mit Details schicken, was du genau machst, um den Fehler zu reproduzieren?

Spielst du die Quest eigentlich durch? oder überspringen Sie einige Schritte mit SetStage?

 

Disabling mods is sometimes not enough

you really have to choose the "atomic Ed solution" - that is, flatten everything
and
start all over again - unfortunately

[Кhrysamere]

Sisterhood of Dibella: Fast Travel Simulator

 

I've finally gotten around to completing the quest line that this mod provides, and oh my, what a journey it was. Consider this my review of the mod, and a reference for any future readers who may be interested in this mod.

 

ACT ONE: SOME GOOD, SOME BAD.

 

You begin your entry of the Sisterhood of Dibella by gathering donations from the people of Skyrim. Now the game tells you that you're supposed to do this in the nude with only a wreath around your head, but thankfully it appears you can do it fully-clothed. When asking for donations, most people will tell you no, especially the miners, who are against the ways of the temple -- which I felt was a nice and unexpected touch. Some will agree to give you donations. Others will give you donations, but also "grope" you in return. Now if this was actually limited to a subtle and quick groping animation, then that would actually be quite nice. But no, I'm afraid it's far from that. Fully expect your character to get fully stripped naked and raped out in the open for everyone to see, at this point you're probably a couple of minutes into the mod and your immersion is already shattered. Surely you have an option to refuse the donation at this point so you don't get "groped", right? Hehe, yeah, you wish. Off to a great start, eh?

 

After collecting the 10 donations required, you can proceed to the next portion of the quest, which is the vanilla quest: The Heart of Dibella. What I really dislike about this portion, is that Sister Senna will give you the key to the Inner Sanctum, but when you interrupt the ritual, there is no additional dialogue to express that you were sent to help. Only the vanilla dialogue options are present. It's little details like that which could've helped you really feel a sense of belonging and immersion, that you're doing things differently.

 

After completing The Heart of Dibella and bringing the Sybil to the temple, you will soon receive your next task. Two sisters were sent to search for the Sybil before you came along and haven't reported back, you need to find them. Now, here's my next major gripe with this mod -- its pacing. One of the sister's bodies was in the Forsworn tower where the Sybil was being held, so at this point you already know one of them is dead. Why couldn't Mother Hamal or Sister Senna tasked you with this while you went to look for the Sybil? I feel like that would have been far more natural.

 

After finding both the sisters, or rather, their corpses, because y'know, they're dead, you'll return to Sister Senna with the bad news. From here, you are supposed to start interacting with the Sybil. You can ask if she needs assistance with anything, where she will then proceed to force the player into an FF animation. Seriously, what is with this mod and just outright refusing to consider that maybe, just maybe, the player doesn't want to have sex with someone? But I digress, a few times of doing this and you'll be able to ask Sister Senna about the Sybil's progress, where she will express concerns. In order to show that there's more to the ways of Dibella than just lust, Senna will have you go out and perform a charitable act, and then tell Fjotra about it. I really like this because it has a player perform a good, but small deed. One that can be completed locally, and doesn't require you to trek to the other side of Skyrim. Believe me, we'll get into that issue later. Sadly, this mod finds a way to mess this up by forcing the player into another FF animation. Maybe my character isn't into women, come on, let me have some choices for gods sake.

 

ACT TWO: DOWNWARD SPIRAL

 

Everything gets much worse from this point on. The mod takes a huge dip in reason, pacing, and quality.

 

Your next task is to teach Fjotra beauty in another form by performing with a flute, but first you'll need the teachings of Paltea from the Bards College in Solitude. Alright, not too bad, so you'll make your way northward to the city of Solitude. Once you reach the college, Paltea will tell you that you need to be a member of the College before she can teach you. Alright, kind of annoying, but I personally wasn't planning on doing the Bards College in the first place, so It is nice that this mod provides motivation to do so. From here you'll begin the quest to join the College, which involves doing some dungeon crawling not too far away from the city. After that you put on the festival and wa-Bam, you're in the college.

 

Great, now you can fina- Oh wait, now Paltea wants you to get her flute before she'll teach us... which was taken by a group of necromancers all the way past Dawnstar. I mean, I guess that makes logical sense, she can't teach us without her flute. So we make the journey to the wilderness between Dawnstar and Winterhold, grab her flute, and return it to her. Alright. Finally, we are a member of the College, we have her flute, now she will teach us the ways of th- Go get the drums and lute for the other College Members first, dickhead, then I'll teach you. Wow. Just wow. This mod is really going to make us do the entirety of the Bards College, isn't it? And where are these instruments? Why, on the opposite ends of Skyrim in dangerous caves, of course! What's that, you've disabled fast travel and thus have to travel the old fashion way? You're going to be disabling that soon, I promise you.

 

So, after retrieving the Lute and Drums and sprinting back to Solitude, you'll finally be given Paltea lessons,,, or uh,  her flute? I thought she was supposed to teach us how to play, not just give us a flute! Fine, whatever. Jump in your Ebon Hawk and fly on over to Markarth so that you can present the flute to Fjotra. Who seemingly ignores it completely and just has sex with you again. At this point I was questioning whether this mod was actually supposed to be a parody. There's no way I just did all that busy work, and not only did I not get to play a flute at the end of it, but the flute didn't end up mattering whatsoever? Thanks a lot.

 

From this point on you'll start to notice some changes in the Temple. The Sisters begin changing their oufits to more revealing ones. The statue in the bath area will change and become more lewd. Sister Senna will give you the task of traveling to Riften (Which is on the other side of Skyrim) and retrieving a book from the Temple of Mara. So backwards-long-jump your way over there, and strap in, because now you're going to have to do the entire Book of Love questline to get that book Senna wants. This one I don't mind as much compared to Bards College bit, because it is at least far more thematically appropriate to the priestess playstyle. So yeah, Have Scotty beam you over to Ivarstead, do the quest shit there, materialize back in Riften. Call a Taxi and ride on over to Markarth next, do your Mara thing, then recall back to Riften. Pull out your Ocarina and play the Song of Soaring to get to the Whiterun Plains, fuck around with some ghosts, take a portal back to Riften, grab your stupid book, then have Superman give you a lift back to Markarth.

 

Starting to notice a pattern with this mod yet? Yeah. Most of it can be summed of with "Fast travel there, talk to someone, fast travel somewhere else, grab something for them, fast travel back, give it to them, fast travel back to quest giver". And you have to keep in mind, because the Temple is getting more and more corrupted throughout the questline, there is a sense of urgency looming over you the entire time. It doesn't allow you to, logically, take your time with everything. Which is why the Mara questline, on its own, is fine in Vanilla Skyrim, but when sticking it to this mod's questline, makes it significantly less enjoyable. It gets worse.

 

ACT THREE: I WANT TO SHOOT MYSELF.

 

The statue in the bath area has changed dramatically. Sanguine accompanies Dibella, performing aggressive acts on her. Senna asks you to investigate the statue, where you find Hamal's box and a letter within that reveals she is working along side with Haelga to join the Sisterhood of Dibella with Sanguine, I guess? Hop aboard the Normandy and travel to Riften so that you can confront Haelga. But oh noes! Haelga won't listen to us, so you know what, let's blackmail her! Because yeah, nothing screams "Priestess of Dibella" more than blackmailing your fellow sisters, right? From here you do the "Caught Red Handed" quest line, after which you threaten to tell Svana about the Marks of Dibella if Haelga doesn't tell you the truth. But, plot twist! Svana was Sanguine all along!

 

From this point, you're given two options (Wow, now they give us a choice!)

 

1. Side with Sanguine and help corrupt the Temple

2. Side with Dibella and help remove the corruption

 

I went with Siding with Dibella, so the rest of this review will reflect that, I have not actually tried the other option. But after putting up with the remainder of the quest line, I really don't want to subject myself to any more of this. Haelga tells you that you must return to Markarth and help your sisters. Alright, things are starting to heat up. This is a really urgent matter, after all. I mean, all of our fellow priestesses are under the influence of Sanguine, even Senna. Which is why Haelga thinks its a great idea to have the player fetch her... traveling hood from Svana... before returning. W h a t. Are you fucking serious? Nothing like killing your own mod's tension and build up by giving you a literal side tangent that won't amount to anything.

 

Whatever. Chase Svana down to the Ratway Vaults, where you will find her having an orgy with a bunch of naked people. Have a long-winded conversation with Sanguine filled with cringey dialogue that'll make you question how old the mod author was when they made this. Get Haelga's stupid hood and return it to her. Oh, but wait, the mod author hasn't quite murdered their own questline just yet, they have to ruin the pacing even more! In order to save Senna from Sanguine's influence, you have to remind her of her homeland. How do you do this? By crafting a wreath made out of Daggerfall clovers. Fuck those clovers. They sell for stupid amounts, usually 5k+ gold from merchants, and you need 6 of them for the wreath. Apparently you can also find them under beds of bretons? But that would be a fucking wild goose chase all over Skyrim, so screw that. Add them to your inventory via the console, or save up the 30,000+ gold you would need to buy them from shopkeepers I guess.

 

After presenting the wreath the Senna, you're going to have to start saving the other members of the Temple as well. 5 in total. I would go into greater detail about them, but 4 of them all amount the what I highlighted earlier, just glorified fetch quests that'll have you fast traveling so much that your immersion decided to divorce you and took the kids too. If you like to keep a journal and write about events, I would fucking love to see what you'd right to explain how you keep zipping around Skyrim as much as you do. Do you know Skyrim is supposed to be 105,000 square miles? Do you know how asinine it would be to actually have someone travel back and forth so much like you do in these quests? 

 

After you do all those fetch quests and you get to the 5th member, Mother Hamal, you forgive her, and then the quest is complete. Fucking finally. What a dreadful experience.

 

ACT FOUR: HOW TO FIX?

 

For starters, the majority of all the quests should have taken place at, or near, Markarth. One or two quests might have you go far away somewhere, but that's it. Secondly, almost the entire mod needs to be rewritten. Like seriously, I know that sounds harsh, but the majority of this mod isn't even original content, it's literally just doing Vanilla quests with a slightly different spin. The donation system could work, but groping needs to be actual groping, and not full-fledged sex. Having sex to gain donations should entirely be the players choice, not something forced on them. Vanilla quest integration can work, and not just that, it can be fantastic, but only if done right. And whilst I like how this mod gives motivation for doing quests they may not normally do, it needs to be accompanied with new dialogue during the actual quests. It also needs to be far more tactful. Requiring the player to do the entirety of the Bards College was just fucking awful.

 

 

Edited January 6, 2023 by Кhrysamere

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19 minutes ago, Кhrysamere said:

Sisterhood of Dibella: Fast Travel Simulator

 

I've finally gotten around to completing the quest line that this mod provides, and oh my, what a journey it was. Consider this my review of the mod, and a reference for any future readers who may be interested in this mod.

 

ACT ONE: SOME GOOD, SOME BAD.

 

You begin your entry of the Sisterhood of Dibella by gathering donations from the people of Skyrim. Now the game tells you that you're supposed to do this in the nude with only a wreath around your head, but thankfully it appears you can do it fully-clothed. When asking for donations, most people will tell you no, especially the miners, who are against the ways of the temple -- which I felt was a nice and unexpected touch. Some will agree to give you donations. Others will give you donations, but also "grope" you in return. Now if this was actually limited to a subtle and quick groping animation, then that would actually be quite nice. But no, I'm afraid it's far from that. Fully expect your character to get fully stripped naked and raped out in the open for everyone to see, at this point you're probably a couple of minutes into the mod and your immersion is already shattered. Surely you have an option to refuse the donation at this point so you don't get "groped", right? Hehe, yeah, you wish. Off to a great start, eh?

 

After collecting the 10 donations required, you can proceed to the next portion of the quest, which is the vanilla quest: The Heart of Dibella. What I really dislike about this portion, is that Sister Senna will give you the key to the Inner Sanctum, but when you interrupt the ritual, there is no additional dialogue to express that you were sent to help. Only the vanilla dialogue options are present. It's little details like that which could've helped you really feel a sense of belonging and immersion, that you're doing things differently.

 

After completing The Heart of Dibella and bringing the Sybille to the temple, you will soon receive your next task. Two sisters were sent to search for the Sybille before you came along and haven't reported back, you need to find them. Now, here's my next major gripe with this mod -- its pacing. One of the sister's bodies was in the Forsworn tower where the Sybbile was being held, so at this point you already know one of them is dead. Why couldn't Mother Hamal or Sister Senna tasked you with this while you went to look for the Sybille? I feel like that would have been far more natural.

 

After finding both the sisters, or rather, their corpses, because y'know, they're dead, you'll return to Sister Senna with the bad news. From here, you are supposed to start interacting with the Sybille. You can ask if she needs assistance with anything, where she will then proceed to force the player into an FF animation. Seriously, what is with this mod and just outright refusing to consider that maybe, just maybe, the player doesn't want to have sex with someone? But I digress, a few times of doing this and you'll be able to ask Sister Senna about the Sybil's progress, where she will express concerns. In order to show that there's more to the ways of Dibella than just lust, Senna will have you go out and perform a charitable act, and then tell Fjotra about it. I really like this because it has a player perform a good, but small deed. One that can be completed locally, and doesn't require you to trek to the other side of Skyrim. Believe me, we'll get into that issue later. Sadly, this mod finds a way to mess this up by forcing the player into another FF animation. Maybe my character isn't into women, come on, let me have some choices for gods sake.

 

ACT TWO: DOWNWARD SPIRAL

 

Everything gets much worse from this point on. The mod takes a huge dip in reason, pacing, and quality.

 

Your next task is to teach Fjotra beauty in another form by performing with a flute, but first you'll need the teachings of Paltea from the Bards College in Solitude. Alright, not too bad, so you'll make your way northward to the city of Solitude. Once you reach the college, Paltea will tell you that you need to be a member of the College before she can teach you. Alright, kind of annoying, but I personally wasn't planning on doing the Bards College in the first place, so It is nice that this mod provides motivation to do so. From here you'll begin the quest to join the College, which involves doing some dungeon crawling not too far away from the city. After that you put on the festival and wa-Bam, you're in the college.

 

Great, now you can fina- Oh wait, now Paltea wants you to get her flute before she'll teach us... which was taken by a group of necromancers all the way past Dawnstar. I mean, I guess that makes logical sense, she can't teach us without her flute. So we make the journey to the wilderness between Dawnstar and Winterhold, grab her flute, and return it to her. Alright. Finally, we are a member of the College, we have her flute, now she will teach us the ways of th- Go get the drums and lute for the other College Members first, dickhead, then I'll teach you. Wow. Just wow. This mod is really going to make us do the entirety of the Bards College, isn't it? And where are these instruments? Why, on the opposite ends of Skyrim in dangerous caves, of course! What's that, you've disabled fast travel and thus have to travel the old fashion way? You're going to be disabling that soon, I promise you.

 

So, after retrieving the Lute and Drums and sprinting back to Solitude, you'll finally be given Paltea lessons,,, or uh,  her flute? I thought she was supposed to teach us how to play, not just give us a flute! Fine, whatever. Jump in your Ebon Hawk and fly on over to Markarth so that you can present the flute to Fjotra. Who seemingly ignores it completely and just has sex with you again. At this point I was questioning whether this mod was actually supposed to be a parody. There's no way I just did all that busy work, and not only did I not get to play a flute at the end of it, but the flute didn't end up mattering whatsoever? Thanks a lot.

 

From this point on you'll start to notice some changes in the Temple. The Sisters begin changing their oufits to more revealing ones. The statue in the bath area will change and become more lude. Sister Senna will give you the task of traveling to Riften (Which is on the other side of Skyrim) and retrieving a book from the Temple of Mara. So backwards-long-jump your way over there, and strap in, because now you're going to have to do the entire Book of Love questline to get that book Senna wants. This one I don't mind as much compared to Bards College bit, because it is at least far more thematically appropriate to the priestess playstyle. So yeah, Have Scotty beam you over to Ivarstead, do the quest shit there, materialize back in Riften. Call a Taxi and ride on over to Markarth next, do your Mara thing, then recall back to Riften. Pull out your Ocarina and play the Song of Soaring to get to the Whiterun Plains, fuck around with some ghosts, take a portal back to Riften, grab your stupid book, then have Superman give you a lift back to Markarth.

 

Starting to notice a pattern with this mod yet? Yeah. Most of it can be summed of with "Fast travel there, talk to someone, fast travel somewhere else, grab something for them, fast travel back, give it to them, fast travel back to quest giver". And you have to keep in mind, because the Temple is getting more and more corrupted throughout the questline, there is a sense of urgency looming over you the entire time. It doesn't allow you to, logically, take your time with everything. Which is why the Mara questline, on its own, is fine in Vanilla Skyrim, but when sticking it to this mod's questline, makes it significantly less enjoyable. It gets worse.

 

ACT THREE: I WANT TO SHOOT MYSELF.

 

The statue in the bath area has changed dramatically. Sanguine accompanies Dibella, performing aggressive acts on her. Senna asks you to investigate the statue, where you find Hamal's box and a letter within that reveals she is working along side with Haelga to join the Sisterhood of Dibella with Sanguine, I guess? Hop aboard the Normandy and travel to Riften so that you can confront Haelga. But oh noes! Haelga won't listen to us, so you know what, let's blackmail her! Because yeah, nothing screams "Priestess of Dibella" more than blackmailing your fellow sisters, right? From here you do the "Caught Red Handed" quest line, after which you threaten to tell Svana about the Marks of Dibella if Haelga doesn't tell you the truth. But, plot twist! Svana was Sanguine all along!

 

From this point, you're given two options (Wow, now they give us a choice!)

 

1. Side with Sanguine and help corrupt the Temple

2. Side with Dibella and help remove the corruption

 

I went with Siding with Dibella, so the rest of this review will reflect that, I have not actually tried the other option. But after putting up with the remainder of the quest line, I really don't want to subject myself to any more of this. Haelga tells you that you must return to Markarth and help your sisters. Alright, things are starting to heat up. This is a really urgent matter, after all. I mean, all of our fellow priestesses are under the influence of Sanguine, even Senna. Which is why Haelga thinks its a great idea to have the player fetch her... traveling hood from Svana... before returning. W h a t. Are you fucking serious? Nothing like killing your own mod's tension and build up by giving you a literal side tangent that won't amount to anything.

 

Whatever. Chase Svana down to the Ratway Vaults, where you will find her having an orgy with a bunch of naked people. Have a long-winded conversation with Sanguine filled with cringey dialogue that'll make you question how old the mod author was when they made this. Get Haelga's stupid hood and return it to her. Oh, but wait, the mod author hasn't quite murdered their own questline just yet, they have to ruin the pacing even more! In order to save Senna from Sanguine's influence, you have to remind her of her homeland. How do you do this? By crafting a wreath made out of Daggerfall clovers. Fuck those clovers. They sell for stupid amounts, usually 5k+ gold from merchants, and you need 6 of them for the wreath. Apparently you can also find them under beds of bretons? But that would be a fucking wild goose chase all over Skyrim, so screw that. Add them to your inventory via the console, or save up the 30,000+ gold you would need to buy them from shopkeepers I guess.

 

After presenting the wreath the Senna, you're going to have to start saving the other members of the Temple as well. 5 in total. I would go into greater detail about the, but 4 of them all amount the what I highlighted earlier, just glorified fetch quests that'll have you fast traveling so much that your immersion decided to divorce you and took the kids too. If you like to keep a journal and write about events, I would fucking love to see what you'd right to explain how you keep zipping around Skyrim as much as you do. Do you know Skyrim is supposed to be 105,000 square miles? Do you know how asinine it would be to actually have someone travel back and forth so much like you do in these quests? 

 

After you do all those fetch quests and you get to the 5th member, Mother Hamal, you forgive her, and then the quest is complete. Fucking finally. What a dreadful experience.

 

ACT FOUR: HOW TO FIX?

 

For starters, the majority of all the quests should have taken place at, or near, Markarth. One or two quests might have you go far away somewhere, but that's it. Secondly, almost the entire mod needs to be rewritten. Like seriously, I know that sounds harsh, but the majority of this mod isn't even original content, it's literally just doing Vanilla mods with a slightly different spin. The donation system could work, but groping needs to be actual groping, and not full-fledged sex. Having sex to gain donations should entirely be the players choice, not something forced on them. Vanilla quest integration can work, and not just that, it can be fantastic, but only if done right. And whilst I like how this mod gives motivation for doing quests they may not normally do, it needs to be accompanied with new dialogue during the actual quests. It also needs to be far more tactful. Requiring the player to do the entirety of the Bards College was just fucking awful.

 

 

Did this mod offend you?

 

"Thankfully"....What a Cherry....Go make your own mod and post, then we can all play it and review for you. 

 

Go away

[DeepBlueFrog]

@Khrysamere Thanks for the review.

 

 "Fast travel there, talk to someone, fast travel somewhere else, grab something for them, fast travel back, give it to them, fast travel back to quest giver".

 

That sounds like most of Skyrim's original quests, really. 

 

For starters, the majority of all the quests should have taken place at, or near, Markarth. One or two quests might have you go far away somewhere, but that's it.

 

Fair point. It would have made testing a lot easier for me too.

 

Secondly, almost the entire mod needs to be rewritten. Like seriously, I know that sounds harsh, but the majority of this mod isn't even original content, it's literally just doing Vanilla quests with a slightly different spin.

 

Probably. Quest / story writers are hard to come by, especially with regards to dialogues.

I included many if not most of the dialogues that were kindly provided to me by other users in addition to my own (probably the corny dialogues you meant).

In hindsights, I would approach the mod differently with what I learned in the process but a rewrite is very unlikely at this point.

 

The donation system could work, but groping needs to be actual groping, and not full-fledged sex. Having sex to gain donations should entirely be the players choice, not something forced on them.

 

Actual groping would require actual groping animations designed for this mod (not as an addon from another mod). 

If you know people skilled in animations willing to contribute, I will gladly include custom animations. 

I would love to dial down the sex and have more groping or kissing actually.

 

Vanilla quest integration can work, and not just that, it can be fantastic, but only if done right.

 

I admit to laziness on my part for that one. 

 

Writing engaging stories is difficult and time consuming, especially using a dialogue system that requires to open a menu, edit a line of dialogue + conditions + scripts, close the menu, and save, for every. single. line. of. dialogue... because it can crash at any moment and you lose everything you did at that point.

 

I have been falling back on weaving vanilla quests in as a way to give them a new light and get the player to do something they wouldn't necessarily do.

 

You can skip the whole Bards quest using a menu attached to one of the altar flowers in the main temple. I will add to my list to work on a more immersive way to skip that whole quest through dialogues instead of hiding that option in a mostly hidden menu.

 

 

[Кhrysamere]

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Probably. Quest / story writers are hard to come by, especially with regards to dialogues.

I included many if not most of the dialogues that were kindly provided to me by other users in addition to my own (probably the corny dialogues you meant).

In hindsights, I would approach the mod differently with what I learned in the process but a rewrite is very unlikely at this point.

 

I actually really enjoy writing. Despite being unlikely, If you do decide to overhaul this mod entirely one day and need a writer, hit me up. I'll be glad to offer my input and be of any help that I can.

[bubba999]

4 hours ago, DeepBlueFrog said:

 

I added extra directional light to the temple and didn't realize it would look like this for people not using ENB.

You can disable them using the menu on one of the stone flowers on the altar.

 

 

Thanks for your reply... I disabled them and it only looks a little better.

[Hochhalter1]

ran into an issue on one of the starter quests. Got to the point where i need to find the travelling sisters and retieve thier notes, however i had already found them before this quest just in the course of running around, and now i can't trigger the quest to recognize that i have said items already, so the quest is stuck:P. easy fix would be to make the sisters only spawn once quest is started, or make the item non quests so you could bounce them on the bodies to retrigger it. (maybe idk, not a coder) been enjoying the mod so far however. nice work

 

 

[Naps-On-Dirt]

3 hours ago, Hochhalter1 said:

i had already found them before this quest just in the course of running around, and now i can't trigger the quest to recognize that i have said items already, so the quest is stuck:P

For future runthroughs, just don't read the notes until after you get to the "find the missing sisters" step because reading them is what triggers completion of that step.  Try reading them again?  That might work, I don't remember.

[DeepBlueFrog]

2 hours ago, Naps-On-Dirt said:

For future runthroughs, just don't read the notes until after you get to the "find the missing sisters" step because reading them is what triggers completion of that step.  Try reading them again?  That might work, I don't remember.

 

Dropping the notes to the ground and picking them up again to read them should fix that step if you read them too early.

[Chlodwig]

Does this mod work with dibellean bath  from nexusmods?

and can I change the outfit to open monk robes  and if yes,  can someone give hints how?

[Arabella4211]

There are no traveling sister for me and I can't speak to Senna and get that dialogue option at all, this is my first time doing a mod that's not from Nexus so maybe I deployed it wrong? I rescued Fjorta and everything but then nothing else happened.....

 

What am I doing wrong?

[Miauzi]

On 1/6/2023 at 5:45 PM, DeepBlueFrog said:

@Khrysamere Danke für die Bewertung.

 

"Schnellreise dorthin, mit jemandem sprechen, Schnellreise woanders hin, etwas für sie holen, Schnellreise zurück, es ihnen geben, Schnellreise zurück zum Questgeber".

 

Das klingt wirklich wie die meisten Originalquests von Skyrim. 

 

Für den Anfang hätte die Mehrheit aller Quests in oder in der Nähe von Markarth stattfinden sollen. Ein oder zwei Quests könnten Sie irgendwo weit weg gehen lassen, aber das war's.

 

Gutes Argument. Das hätte mir das Testen auch viel leichter gemacht.

 

Zweitens muss fast der gesamte Mod neu geschrieben werden. Im Ernst, ich weiß, das klingt hart, aber der Großteil dieses Mods ist nicht einmal Originalinhalt, er macht buchstäblich nur Vanilla-Quests mit einem etwas anderen Spin.

 

Wahrscheinlich. Quest-/Storyschreiber sind schwer zu finden, besonders was Dialoge angeht.

Ich habe viele, wenn nicht die meisten Dialoge eingefügt, die mir freundlicherweise von anderen Benutzern zusätzlich zu meinen eigenen zur Verfügung gestellt wurden (wahrscheinlich die abgedroschenen Dialoge, die Sie meinten).

Im Nachhinein würde ich die Mod mit dem, was ich dabei gelernt habe, anders angehen, aber eine Neufassung ist zum jetzigen Zeitpunkt sehr unwahrscheinlich.

 

Das Spendensystem könnte funktionieren, aber Tasten muss echtes Tasten sein und kein vollwertiger Sex. Sex zu haben, um Spenden zu erhalten, sollte die Entscheidung der Spieler sein, nicht etwas, das ihnen aufgezwungen wird.

 

Tatsächliches Tasten würde tatsächliche Tastenanimationen erfordern, die für diesen Mod entwickelt wurden (nicht als Addon von einem anderen Mod). 

Wenn Sie Leute kennen, die sich mit Animationen auskennen, die bereit sind, einen Beitrag zu leisten, füge ich gerne benutzerdefinierte Animationen hinzu. 

Ich würde gerne den Sex reduzieren und mehr herumtasten oder küssen.

 

Die Vanilla-Quest-Integration kann funktionieren, und nicht nur das, sie kann fantastisch sein, aber nur, wenn sie richtig gemacht wird.

 

Ich gebe zu, dass ich dafür faul bin. 

 

Das Schreiben ansprechender Geschichten ist schwierig und zeitaufwändig, insbesondere wenn ein Dialogsystem verwendet wird, bei dem ein Menü geöffnet, eine Dialogzeile + Bedingungen + Skripte bearbeitet, das Menü geschlossen und gespeichert werden müssen. einzel. Linie. von. dialog... weil es jeden Moment abstürzen kann und Sie alles verlieren, was Sie zu diesem Zeitpunkt getan haben.

 

Ich habe darauf zurückgegriffen, Vanilla-Quests einzuweben, um ihnen ein neues Licht zu geben und den Spieler dazu zu bringen, etwas zu tun, was er nicht unbedingt tun würde.

 

Sie können die gesamte Barden-Quest überspringen, indem Sie ein Menü verwenden, das an einer der Altarblumen im Haupttempel angebracht ist. Ich werde meiner Liste etwas hinzufügen, um an einer immersiveren Methode zu arbeiten, um diese ganze Quest durch Dialoge zu überspringen, anstatt diese Option in einem größtenteils versteckten Menü zu verstecken.

 

 

 

Please only consider this as a suggestion (for a possible revision of the mod):

Due to the many problems that the players (including me) have with the priestess "Senna" to conduct the necessary dialogues...

..I would add a separate (additional) priestess as the "interface".
This would probably avoid the interaction problems with the vanilla dialogue system from "Senna".

I (personally) have the feeling that about 1/4 of all help requests are about this very topic.