Its Time For A New "Official" Load Order

[GMac2021]

Linking people to this thread is pointless: http://www.loverslab.com/topic/4487-please-read-before-posting-here/?p=100862  . It lists an "example" load order that is almost a year and a half out of date. Almost completely irrelevant, and totally misleading. Asking someone (particularly somebody new to Lovers) to fix their game by following this recommended load order is about the same as asking them to make ice cubes in a toaster. 

 

Searching Google for "Lover's with PK Load Order" returns examples that are two years old - and even older... Even less helpful...

 

 

LoversSetBody.esp <----NOTE: This plugin is outdated. I don't recommend folks use it anymore!
LoversAphrodisia.esp <----NOTE: This plugin is outdated. I don't recommend folks use it anymore!
LoversAphrodisiaHUD.esp <----NOTE: This plugin is outdated. I don't recommend folks use it anymore!
LoversFSE.esp <----NOTE: This plugin is outdated. I don't recommend folks use it anymore!
LoversDRader.esp ??? I never used it.
LoversRapeman.esp ??? I never used it.
LoversSummonRapeman.esp ??? Never used...
LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp
LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp
LoversRaperS.esp --- Better versions available. See WappyOne. Put his mod here. Works fine. Works better.
LoversJoburg.esp  --- See above. Better versions available. Good enough slot, though.
LoversJoburg NoDelay Addon.esp --- Really? Why would you want to be annoyed this much unless you are 11.
LoversJealousy.esp --- Meh. Anywhere, but mostly useless.
LoversBed.esp --- Anywhere if you have the right version. The old one is the best. 
LoversBednonstop.esp --- Why would you use this? Using the wrong version of Lover's Bed and this mod will make your Toon have sex with anyone who is sleeping - or even just sitting in a chair. A nightmare mod. 
LoversPayBandit.esp --- Putting this here and using Player Slave Encounters and the Pay Bandit Patch breaks everything. See below.
LoversPower.esp --- What is this?
LoversContraception.esp --- Only needed for Tomago/Hiyoko - or whatever they are called. I do not use them. NPCs do not generally get pregnant. 
LoversNTRburglar.esp --- Fun plugin, but pointless.
Lovers with PK.esp --- Kind of important. I think you might need this one
LoversBitch.esp --- Use Lover's Bitch Gone Wild.  Do not use the old version. Thanks, fejeena!
LoversCreature.esp --- Works fine right here, but is complicated (for now) to install correctly.
Lovers with PK Extender.esp  --- This is correct location. Works for me. Love it. Personal choice.
LoversSoundCreature.esp --- ???
LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp --- Irrelevant thanks to fejeena.
LoversCreature_SexualOrgans_Dogs.esp - Irrelevant thanks to fejeena.
LoversCreatureVoiceForceEnabler.esp --- ???
LoversBrothel.esp --- ??? REALLY?
LoversStopCombatEx.esp --- The core Lover's files already have an option for this. A pretty important option, but a useless mod.
LoversSpermSplashEx.esp --- Pointless, but meh. I use it. Basically does the same thing that Lover's with Pk already does.
LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp --- A mod that does the same thing as thirty other mods.
LoversRapeStruggle.esp --- Is this relevant? Never tried it. Animations have changed since 1929, so I do not know if it works one way or the other.
LoversRapeSlave.esp --- A mainstay for me. Still seems to work. 
LoversAdultYield.esp --- ???
LoversMagic.esp --- ???
LoversUnicorn.esp --- Never tried it.
LoversSlaveTrader.esp --- Yup. Gotta have it. Put 'er here and she works.
LSTBravilUnderground.esp --- Yup. Gotta have it. Put her here and she works just fine.
LoversPayBanditForSlaver.esp --- ??? What year is this? Been replaced by the new Pay Bandit, no?
LoversImmoralSisters.esp --- I never put it in this slot, but it should work anywhere below Lover's w/ PK.
LoversMS14netori.esp --- Never tried it.
LoversSexKariBurne.esp --- Never tried it.


PlayerSlaveEncounters_V0.(any).esp. This is EXACTLY where it should be. LAST above you LoversIdleAnim(etc) and LoversAnimObjects(etc). But - because of the patch needed to make it work with PayBandit (which does NOT work well this low in your load order) - PSE needs to be placed waaaaaaaay above your Lover's with PK esp. BAD IDEA with all captal letters and many exclamation marks. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 

 

 

 

I COULD make another spoiler to list all the "new" mods that make almost every recommended load order irrelevant, but I will just link this soon to be one year old thread: http://www.loverslab.com/topic/10681-beta-versions-of-lovers-plugins/ Many of these mods are now OLD themselves, and yet they are STILL NOT LISTED in the recommended load order.

 

These recommended load orders are useless. There are mods listed that will NOT - under any circumstances - function with the new animations and new revisions / versions of Lover's with PK - no matter where you stick 'em.

 

Does anyone ever wonder why people who get chewed out for having an incorrect load order never come back? They whine. They complain. They get angry. They leave. Because you have broken their game more than it already was by telling them to follow a load order that does not include ANY of the mods they are using. 

 

Stop recommending ancient load orders - and stop chewing out newbs when their game doesn't work when they try to use mods that are not isted in ANY load order.

 

Eat some meat and make a new load order. Or don't.

[Ark of Truth]

There is nothing wrong with the load order. To be honest if people just got of their asses and read the god damn readmes which came with mods half of the problems would be fixed overnight!

 

Most of the core mods of Loves need to be in certain places hence that load order, we cannot take into account every new update and plugin which comes are way.

 

There is nothing wrong with that load order and it works solid, I use it for every install and never have problems. If you think it needs to be changed how about you make it and then if it seems solid then we might use it.

[GMac2021]

There is nothing wrong with the load order. To be honest if people just got of their asses and read the god damn readmes which came with mods half of the problems would be fixed overnight!

 

If you think it needs to be changed how about you making it and then if it seems solid then we might use it.

The two year old load order is useless - particularly to new people who are installing Lover's for the first time, and have only downloaded five or six mods included in that load order. EVERYTHING is wrong with that load order, taking into consideration that it includes no updated mods. This should be an ongoing project, not a stale old 18 month old Google SEO listing.

 

Where does Lover's Prostitute go?

Club Cats?

Lover's Stupid?

 

I will take a flying leap guess on where to place them, and then get my ass chewed out when I am wrong! THANK YOU for pointing me towards a load order that only lists four of the twenty mods I installed! My oops! 

 

You, Ark of Truth,  - and I - can download any Lover's mod and be confident that it will work. But someone new will NOT find ANY of the mods they download listed in the recommended load order.

 

Just look at the support thread. A lot more people just vanish than say "Hey! Thanks for fixing my game!"

 

The recommended load order is almost two years old. To even hint that it is relevant just reeks of arrogance and self-importance. Half of the mods are useless and unusable, and most of the up-to-date and working mods are not even listed.

[GMac2021]

Sorry to add this: I build my load order on Donkey's ancient load order - where all of my Lover's Mods are placed below my Bashed Patch. Neither you nor I are NEW, though. Donkey's load order - which is even older than the one I am railing against - has been rock solid for years.

 

It is very important for a modding site to accomodate new visitors. The tech support thread is full of people who have just quit. Most people do not care enough to spend hours, days, or months to get their game working.

 

An updated installation walkthrough of this very complicated process - with a current load order that highlights updated mods that are actually working - might help.

[gregathit]

Yawn.....

 

Really...?  This is pretty absurd, if not utterly ridiculous.  That load order is "THE" load order, that I, and a metric ton of other folks on this site have used for a very long time.  Guess what, it still works with ZERO issues.  Not only that, it is what I use to help others get their games playable.  Funny thing.......I don't see you much in the LPK tech support area helping folks, so I really don't get where you are coming from, or why you are so excited, or where you are getting your information.

 

I have damn near every LPK plugin, with the exception of Bloodlines and Tamago running and it works peachy.

 

 

As to the "new" or "unlisted" plugins, that is covered in the green note at the bottom of the posted load order:

 

NOTE:  Any Lovers with PK plugin not on the above list should be safe to install just above Setbody.esp - unless the mod author has a specific load order mentioned in the OP or readme.txt of their plugin.

 

I am one person, and I don't have the time or interest in reinventing the wheel, especially when there is nothing at all wrong with said wheel.  You want to put together a new version of a load order, feel free to.   Anyone and everyone is encouraged to step up and contribute.

 

I will eventually get around to placing the missing plugins on the list, but that will have to wait until I have the time and the need to mess with it.  Getting the animations overhaul done and a final version of LPK put together is the priority for me right now.  All other items are just going to have to wait until I have time, or until someone else steps up to help.

[D_ManXX2]

I always had the idea of load order example to be only a guideline apart from the last 5 esp all others can be placed in different places.

 

 

 

LoversMB2.esp
Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp
LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
Lovers3dorgasm.esp
LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

 

 

 

As long they are placed lower then other mods. And never use bash patch option when all lovers with pk mods are activated.

[RitualClarity]

You have some good points... however also some  bad points.

 

The load order that you mention is an "example" and thus don't have to be exact. It needs to be accurate (not cause crashes) . When I find some issues in the mods that I use (which is primarily Sexout) or their tutorial I do the following (in order depending on the situation)

 

1) Post the issue or concern on the forum that the issues is with. Not create a new one. Let people know my thoughts or issues. I do this if there are suggestions or minor issues. Once I posted because a requirement was missing from a mod from a new person. Shortly later that person corrected the issue on their OP. This requirement would cause a crash however otherwise wouldn't harm the game. Posting issues elsewhere don't help those who go to that post for guidance. They won't know that there are any issues or concerns.

 

2) Notify those responsible for that post through PM. Nobody likes egg thrown into their faces for errors or omission. Many would appreciate polite PM on the issue and give them a chance to fix the issue. Sometimes it might not even be an issue. You might be mistaken or miss understand.

 

3) Notify a moderator if the individual responsible hasn't been active on the site for some time. I have done this many times before with great results. Those issues with some of the tutorials have been fixed (updated).

 

When doing the above give clear concise info on the issue and if possible corrections. In this case a simple load order .txt or something like that

 

I not being as familiar with Oblivion as I am with Fallout and Sexout specifically would like an all inclusive mod order with all the LoverPK mods listed and kept updated as these new mods come out and old mods requirements change. That would be absolutely great. Don't get me wrong. The example is a good start but a complete and accurate up to the minute load order list would be very nice. ( I am assuming that is your purpose with this post)

 

However there is a downside to this. Someone will have to be actively monitoring and working the OP and make changes as needed weekly or monthly. This takes time and effort which many individuals aren't willing to put forward. It takes a lot of time to field questions posted on the OP and test the mods and email and get responses from those mod creators on any potential conflicts and such. Lots of time.

 

One person in the Sexout section named BruceWayne created a installation instructions for our noobies that is quite good. Many in that section that uses Sexout appreciate his effort. I even have a link for those I help in my Sig! He is active and open to any clarifications or additions that people familiar with the mods feel will help.

 

If you are willing to do this then I am sure that many people will greatly appreciate your time and effort on this matter. I imagine in a very short amount of time people will start linking to your post for guidance related to load orders. If that is too much work  post corrections or suggestions in the OP for those that are willing to read to resolve the problems. At least then there is some added guidance. If you aren't willing to do that then you are "part of the problem and not part of the solution "

 

 

 

 

[Guest ThatOne]

As Ark and Gregathit said, the example load order is perfectly fine.

Yes, it is old, but so is the entire Lovers framework. That fact alone is no reason to abandon it.

Yes, it might not be the absolute perfect load order, but it works well enough from what I can tell. That is to say, my game never crashes unless I want it to.

Yes, there may be mods missing from it, but it's not BOSS's masterlist; not every mod needs be included, and while some relevant mods might also be missing their position in the load order can usually be found by reading their readme - something which newcomers do too rarely.

Yes, there may be outdated mods that won't work with the current framework - but if you have those mods, you must be quite an old modder, and should know what you're doing. Or at least know enough to try different places in your load order for it.

 

I believe the saying goes "If it works, don't fix it"?

 

Just my two cents.

[HentaiProdigy]

Sorry to chip in, but I'm one of these "new guys" that's been having trouble here and there, and I have to say that the load order up in the "Quick Installation Guide" thread has worked great for me. Most problems are from me screwing something up by installing shit I don't have the right masters for, or I did something in the wrong order, and yeah, I've had crashes from a faulty load order, but guess how I solved that? By following the load orders presented on this site, as well as by Gregathit and Fejeena. They do work quite well as far as I can see, and new mods, as people here have already said, can just be placed anywhere below their required ESPs mentioned in the readmes as well as their download page and the problem is solved!

 

The only thing I do agree with though, is that there are quite a bit of outdated mods in the lists that could be taken out, but it's not that difficult to just ignore those, really...

 

Once again, I'm not one of the people who created these load orders, and I'm not a very classified voice in this matter, but I just wanted to say my say as one of the "newbs" this thread caters to. Sorry for chipping in... carry on!

 

Cheers!

[powerofvoid]

Something that might be easier for new users (if it works) would be a preconfigured load order that they can just "plug and play". (e.g., "put this file here, start OBMM, and click 'launch Oblivion'")

[Ark of Truth]

Yeah good luck with that. Load orders change depending on what mods are installed.

 

Besides I don't think it can even be done like that.

[RitualClarity]

 

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I not being as familiar with Oblivion as I am with Fallout and Sexout specifically would like an all inclusive mod order with all the LoverPK mods listed and kept updated as these new mods come out and old mods requirements change. That would be absolutely great. Don't get me wrong. The example is a good start but a complete and accurate up to the minute load order list would be very nice. ( I am assuming that is your purpose with this post)

 

However there is a downside to this. Someone will have to be actively monitoring and working the OP and make changes as needed weekly or monthly. This takes time and effort which many individuals aren't willing to put forward. It takes a lot of time to field questions posted on the OP and test the mods and email and get responses from those mod creators on any potential conflicts and such. Lots of time.

 

There is already something in place for this, it's called BOSS. Not perfect but it is a way for Oblivion MOD users and the community at large to test and report back on LO placement for new and existing MODs.

 

I agree that BOSS is another tool that can greatly help the process however the OP was discussing the issue with the current load order posted.

 

I am sorry if I confused anyone. My intent was to point out that even though the initial though and logic of the OP is nice in concept, it would be a hell of a lot of work to keep  a posted load order up to date and accurate over time. Work that I doubt the OP would be willing to do and I can't think of anyone that would volunteer for the project much less keep it up to date for any extended period of time.

 

 

[RitualClarity]

I'm not confused, at all. Was just adding to what you mentioned. And yes, in the case of LO a 'crowdsourcing' approach is better than a single maintainer/developer.

 

 

Cool I am glad you wasn't confused... , I agree that crowdsourcing would be better and easier than a single maintainer/developer. ..  Now if the OP can understand this   

[Whacked]

As someone new to Lovers, my 2p.

 

First off, people here have been very helpful to me when I have asked a question, I think due to the fact that I have followed the install directions, and don't have a completely screwed up load order, etc. I am familiar with the layout of Oblivion from Skyrim/Fallout games, so I'm not a complete noob. I have seen some people post completely stupid questions, and get railed for it, which I don't have a problem with, since it's their own fault, and this type of install isn't for people who must have instant gratification.

That being said, I found the install instructions, the location of all of the needed files, and the overall procedure very cumbersome. Not being new to this type of system, I found it much harder than my first Sexout install for FalloutNV, for example. I figured it out by reading and rereading a multitude of threads in the end, but I can see how hard it would be for someone very new. It is volumes of reading, in different threads, and sometimes the answer you seek isn't in the OP. 

 

I'm not speaking of the framework alone here, but without plugins to make it do it's thing, well it's just framework. One extreme example for me was Tamago, which might not be an official lovers plugin, but trying to figure that one out was not easy. In the end I got almost everything I needed from the 17th post in the 1.15 thread. I couldn't get it to work until I downloaded an older version, looking for the plugin LoversTamagoClub.esp, which was required to make it work apparently (it wasn't mentioned at all in the 1.15 thread). I figured this out by seeing it in someones posted load order in some thread that wasn't even related to Tamago, and on a hunch figured that might be my issue, viola. 

(edited for correctness) There are also 2 "Installation Instruction" threads, I started with the "official" thread, which I abandoned because it had me installing MBP++=x117mangaLoliShortskirtsHugeboobs, etc., I gave up on it, since that wasn't my taste. I did go back to that thread often for information, but it is kind of a jumble. The Quick installtion guide is nice, but the links to plugins are dated. Post #2 in that thread is helpful, though quite old.

 

As for the example load order, I found it strange that there were plugins listed that weren't current, as in dead, and that many of the newer, current plugins were not listed. I followed it and it wasn't a big problem for me, but I can see how it would possibly be more confusing for someone very new. I started out using the pinned threads looking for the most recent plugins, but soon found that just browsing the the downloads and going to each individual thread to find the newest plugins was the safest, if it wasn't the quickest or easiest.

 

Bashed Patches are another under covered area imho. Using the example load order my bashed patch was overriding many things in lovers plugins since it is recommended to disable them before running the bashed patch. I took Garcemac's advise and put the bashed patch above my lovers plugins and that isn't a problem any longer.

 

Everyone here screams BOSS all the time to noobs, and to be honest, BOSS sucks. It relies on the people maintaining boss to constantly update their master list to deal with new plugins that are released, and as far as I can tell, they haven't done that in 2 years for Oblivion. Running Boss on a new installation of Oblivion will cause more problems and confusion than it will cure. Even running it on a Fallout game, which Boss is more up to date with, will screw it all up. I have always found it better to manually adjust your own load order based on what mod authors require, which also gives noobs more understanding of how things work.

 

There is a vast amount of knowledge in this group of Lovers modders, more than enough to keep that list more current than 1.5 years. I understand people's time is limited, and it can be tough for the few dedicated people on this board to work on their own mods, Lovers framework and help noobs figure out stupid problems, but if you can eliminate many easy to answer questions, you have more time.

 

Experienced people quickly forget how hard it is for someone who has never installed something like this, and scare off noobs with biting answers to their questions. The tendency to not update the original post when something is changed is foreign to most people who haven't been on this board for long.

 

One last point in my wall of text - I constantly find new and interesting plugins by browsing all of the threads, or from people's load orders they post (google search after seeing it), and I find it unfortunate that there isn't an easy to way to find all the fun stuff in a repository type thread. Those 100 page threads "which mod is this" or "looking for a mod that" are useless unless you want to spend 2 hours reading conversations between posters that have nothing to do with mods at all.

Otherwise I love what everyone has done here, and I know it was no small effort, so thanks to those dedicated people that keep it all running.

[SquallPT]

When i started installing mods, i've had my share of problems. Never heard of these crazy stuff. Wrye Bash ? Oblivion Mod Manager ? FOMM ? Load Order ? crazy

But before messing with this stuff, i started to read and asking and learning along the way. Now i have Oblivion and Skyrim and New Vegas modded. Sure it's not perfect, it's gives me a CTD now and then, but i'll survive

I worked on a Store to repair computers, and i got the client " THIS SH*T IS NOT WORKING, WANT MY MONEY BACK ", and i plugged in and it's a miracle ! it work's ! , and the client with porn ads everywhere and says " This started appearing out of nowhere..." seriously ?

People usually mess with stuff that don't know and often the result is " im a freaking genius " or " this don't work, worst mod ever ".

"The" load order example exist to help solving most of the problems. So what if the load order example is old ? If the main esp and esm are on the right place, the others can be anywhere, unless the OP says it has to be under this or under that. Mods come and go, and load order had to be updated every time. And i'm guessing that load order took some time and discussion to stay like that, so gotta respect that.

 

Sorry if my text is a little messy, English is not my native language, and usually i don't write this much

Peace on Earth and Emily for President

 

[Contessa]

I used that load order reliably from when I first started learning how to implement Lover's related mods into my Oblivion. I found that most issues come not from the load order but from other, unrelated mods that someone can use and it's impossible to account for that when listing an "All-In-One" load order.

 

Think of it as a solid foundation and re-arrange unrelated mods to fit your setup until everything clicks. In my case it was keeping the Lover's Plug-ins beneath everything else in my standard load-order but it could be different for everyone.

[abibliboop]

Being a newer user it is annoying when I'm hunting for something based on an older list or forum post that has most of the things on it discontinued or no longer exists under the name listed. However, unless every forum post on here were to be purged there is no way to avoid that.

 

As for a new list it would be nice but not necessary. I was an idiot and grabbed all the cool sounding things then was confused when it didn't work perfectly after downloading, then was annoyed when nothing I had was listed in the load order. Boss managed to screw it up further, then I read a great post that simply recommended turn everything off and enable one at a time and move around things until the crashes stop happening. Needless to say, getting my first stable game took about 17 hours. During that time I learned a HUGE amount that I probably would never have learned and understood if someone else did all the work for me and I just copied and pasted what other people did. Not saying that it was fun, as the learning curve for people who have never done any modding is a bit steep, but it is also not impossible to do. And now, after a fresh install due to some lovely unrelated issues, I've been able to drop my stable build time down to about 4-5 tries instead of massive hours of futile searching.

 

All this to say, if someone wants to start collecting load orders of the users on here I am more than happy to help go through them and compile a more up to date load order that the majority of people use without conflict. I am unable to do it all myself but I am willing to do what I can help the community out.

[gregathit]

Now that I have pushed LAPF out the door (for good or ill), I would appreciate anyone pointing out what items they feel most need to be updated or fixed in the recommended load order.

 

Just post in this thread partial or complete load orders (please use spoilers) and mark the items needing added\removed\changed in some fashion that I can easily spot them.  Remember, I don't play all plugins so there are some that I am not at all familiar with.

[luinil]

this is kinda related to some of the stuff mentioned in this thread but how about a difficulty to install rating for mods?So that people have some sorta of idea how difficult a mods is to install?

[gregathit]

Without removing choice from folks, I don't know how I could make installing the LAPF any easier.  The only other thing I can do is add a BAIN installer for it.  IceCold29 was kind enough to make one for me.  Other than that, I don't know what else I could do.  Folks need to have a basic undertanding of how to install mods or they are going to up the creek on more than just installing Lovers.

 

I am always open to listening to new ideas, but remember I will always be opposed to massive AIO files.  They are a mess to update and maintain.  Plus they remove choice, which is ridiculous IMHO.

[RitualClarity]

I don't like the AIO's as well however despite my competance in the Fallout I am a complete novice in Oblivion / Skyrim. There are different tools. The Wyre Bash is daughting at first glance and not that intutive. I would love to be able to use it more and more but the learning curve is steep especially when considering the learning curve of the game Obvlivion or Skyrim. What is best to add and all the requiremnts the various mechanics of how the game engine works etc. Problem solving  as well.

 

If one of the great minds here were willing to post some simple task (tutorials) and exercises maybe based on the new requirements and how to's I and othes would use Wyre Bash more. Sure there are tutorials on the web but many assume a level of understanding that many just starting to use that tool aren't at.

[Guest Spikes]

I felt exactly as you do now about Wrye Bash, but after spending  like 15 minutes with this guide, it started kliking like 40% then after a bit more, it made loads of sense.  Now i just can't see myself using any other manager ever. 

 

http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/35230/? , a simple picturial guide.

 

For Obl, use the 295 version, for skyrim 304.(it's like a newly born compared to 295 macho version sadly, hasnt matured yet)

 

 

I'd be delighted if a LL Bain version was out, spent hours trying to figure out what was what , what animation goes where etc.

[gregathit]

I will be pushing out a BAIN installation of the LAPF sometime in the future.  However I need to test it a bit myself to make certain that it is installing everything as it should.  I had egg on my face with the initial release of the LAPF by forgetting to include a couple of required files and I don't want any repeats of that.

 

I also will probably wait until I finish adding the remaining animations to the package.  I still have 13 more animations to convert from stuff I received recently.

[RitualClarity]

I felt exactly as you do now about Wrye Bash, but after spending  like 15 minutes with this guide, it started kliking like 40% then after a bit more, it made loads of sense.  Now i just can't see myself using any other manager ever. 

 

http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/35230/? , a simple picturial guide.

 

For Obl, use the 295 version, for skyrim 304.(it's like a newly born compared to 295 macho version sadly, hasnt matured yet)

 

 

I'd be delighted if a LL Bain version was out, spent hours trying to figure out what was what , what animation goes where etc.

 

 

The picture tutorial for Wrye, I think available on the Nexus, is still by far the easiest to use and learn from for new users.

 

The user guide that comes with it is also fairly easy to use and learn from.

 

Wrye 'user guides' are something you need to read a bit, try things, read some more, etc. Rinse & Repeat.

 

 

For Obl, use the 295 version

 

Totally agree with this too.

Ok I will look at this tutorial a little bit when trying to get my Oblivion up and running.

 

I have had such problems getting the bodies and other mods working correctly with this one.

 

At least with this tutorial in hand and as a reference I can use it when I find some confusing concepts or just can't understand a process because it seems at least here that there are people who are familiar with this tutorial and can help clarify the concepts. Maybe learn how to process load orders properly with Wyre Bash ( notice how I cleverly diverted the conversation back to the OP....   )

[gregathit]

Also use version 295 of Wrye Bash for Oblivion.  The newer versions have been reported to have issues.

 

Version 295 can be found here:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/oblivionworks/files/Wrye%20Bash/Wrye%20Bash%20295/