Our privacy on LL

[Guest]

 

> First of all, I do not claim that this is happening on LL, but I must know if our Private message box is protected from reading by the people who aren't included or added to the conversation. I need to know does moderators and @Ashal have right and access to read our messages and if they do, under which circumstances? You see, I exchange very delicate and sensitive information with some LL members and I don't want them to be read by third part.

 

> "Why don't you use your private mail for correspondence?" - some of you may ask. I'll tell you: my private and business mails were hacked so many times, although we have a hardware firewall key. So far, LL showed as secure place for PMing. Therefore, I just ask a simply question about our privacy on LL.

Edited November 17, 2022 by Evaloves4

[KoolHndLuke]

So far as I know it is secure even from admins. I say this with some degree of confidence since I've had many private conversations with certain admins about "sensitive" subjects that I'm sure they didn't want others to know about.

 

 

Edited November 17, 2022 by KoolHndLuke

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, KoolHndLuke said:

So far as I know it is secure even from admins. I say this with some degree of confidence since I've had many private conversations with certain admins about "sensitive" subjects that I'm sure they didn't want others to know about.

> Well, thank you. I wish to hear this from at least one moderator or/and Ashal.

[KoolHndLuke]

Just now, Evaloves4 said:

> Well, thank you. I wish to hear this from at least one moderator or/and Ashal.

"Yes... I totally watch you undress and shower every night from across the street" 

[Guest]

Just now, KoolHndLuke said:

"Yes... I totally watch you undress and shower every night from across the street" 

> You dooooo??? Why, tell me what turns you on so i can perform a good show for you

[KoolHndLuke]

Just now, Evaloves4 said:

> You dooooo??? Why, tell me what turns you on so i can perform a good show for you

You sing to yourself while you shave your legs. Can't. quite make out the words... And fuck but you spend a LONG DAMN TIME in the bathroom!! 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, KoolHndLuke said:

You sing to yourself while you shave your legs. Can't. quite make out the words... And fuck but you spend a LONG DAMN TIME in the bathroom!! 

> No problem although there is a one problem: I do not shave my legs, I am going on laser treatment. Not only my legs, but bikini zone too. But I like food sex

[Vader666]

28 minutes ago, Evaloves4 said:

I need to know does moderators and @Ashal have right and access to read our messages

 

While acess through the forum software is uncommon, based on the forum softwares i have expierences with, everyone having acess to the server does have acess to your pm.

While some forum softwares save private messages encrypted, again based on my expierences, it is uncommon.

So basically, if you get ftp acess to the server you can read private messages.

However, based on how the forum software stores the messages, it may be easy to read what you wrote in a pm, however it may be harder to get who you wrote to and what that person wrote back.

 

General recommendation: don't pass personal or "important" information via pm.

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Vader666 said:

 

While acess through the forum software is uncommon, based on the forum softwares i have expierences with, everyone having acess to the server does have acess to your pm.

While some forum softwares save private messages encrypted, again based on my expierences, it is uncommon.

So basically, if you get ftp acess to the server you can read private messages.

However, based on how the forum software stores the messages, it may be easy to read what you wrote in a pm, however it may be harder to get who you wrote to and what that person wrote back.

 

General recommendation: don't pass personal or "important" information via pm.

> Well, if they can read our PMs and they do even if we didn't break the rules, it is offense of our privacy on the community. I do not recall we were invited to agree such practice when we joined LL or/and we weren't informed about moderators' and admin's rights to read our PM for whatever reason.

 

Edited November 17, 2022 by Evaloves4

[KoolHndLuke]

Whelp... guess we're back to boring "how's the weather?" type shit even via a personal message.

 

[Psalam]

If there is a way for Moderators to read PMs I have not been instructed on how to do so. Further, using what tools I now have as a Moderator there is no obvious manner in which to do such a thing. Finally, I have NO interest whatever in reading people's PMs (personal messages). I know that, even if I wanted to do so, I really don't have the time to make a habit of it (RL and certain "special" members tend to eat up my time).

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, KoolHndLuke said:

Whelp... guess we're back to boring "how's the weather?" type shit even via a personal message.

 

[Vader666]

3 minutes ago, Evaloves4 said:

we weren't informed about moderators' and admin's rights to read our PM

 

Having the right to do something and beeing in a position were you're technically able to do something, are different things.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Psalam said:

If there is a way for Moderators to read PMs I have not been instructed on how to do so. Further, using what tools I now have as a Moderator there is no obvious manner in which to do such a thing. Finally, I have NO interest whatever in reading people's PMs (personal messages). I know that, even if I wanted to do so, I really don't have the time to make a habit of it (RL and certain "special" members tend to eat up my time).

> Well, that much appreciated, Mr. Psalam 69

[Wandering_Mania]

58 minutes ago, Evaloves4 said:

> "Why don't you use your private mail for correspondence?" - some of you may ask. I'll tell you: my private and business mails were hacked so many times, although we have a hardware firewall key. So far, LL showed as secure place for PMing. Therefore, I just ask a simply question about our privacy on LL.

And here I thought I had bad luck. But that... That goes above and beyond. As I have had the same e-mail address for the past 20+ years, and not once has it been hacked.

 

But overall I would say that only if something gets reported do they start to go into PMs. And even then that's questionable. As what is said in public can be acted on easy. But the only way to act on a PM is to directly act against the offending user. And being able to read the PMs is questionable at best as, one would think, they would need direct access to a participating party's account.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Vader666 said:

 

Having the right to do something and beeing in a position were you're technically able to do something, are different things.

> I know, you see, I am having dozens of workers under mine and e.b. control, but none of us EVER read their PM they exchange among themselves, although we could do it. We don't because we respect their privacy.

[KoolHndLuke]

Just now, Evaloves4 said:

Meh... not like I say anything in a PM that I wouldn't say in a thread. I ain't got shit to hide (well... except for that one time...)  But honestly, I think I've spilled everything about myself in these forums at one time or another.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Wandering_Mania said:

And here I thought I had bad luck. But that... That goes above and beyond. As I have had the same e-mail address for the past 20+ years, and not once has it been hacked.

 

But overall I would say that only if something gets reported do they start to go into PMs. And even then that's questionable. As what is said in public can be acted on easy. But the only way to act on a PM is to directly act against the offending user. And being able to read the PMs is questionable at best as, one would think, they would need direct access to a participating party's account.

> I have no time to explain why I was hacked but believe me, I was because of the people from my past. I wrote about it in my diaries. You are lucky you haven't been hacked. I wish you never are.

[KoolHndLuke]

Just now, Evaloves4 said:

> I know, you see, I am having dozens of workers under mine and e.b. control, but none of us EVER read their PM they exchange among themselves, although we could do it. We don't because we respect their privacy.

And see.... that's the trust you have to give/have. There is not one single thing about the internet that is 100% secure- no matter what anyone tells you.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, KoolHndLuke said:

Meh... not like I say anything in a PM that I wouldn't say in a thread. I ain't got shit to hide (well... except for that one time...)  But honestly, I think I've spilled everything about myself in these forums at one time or another.

> If everything would be for posting in the threads, we wouldn't need PM. Right? I am different then you. Some of my interlocutors ask me about certain things they aren't for public. There is a simple explanation for that: some readers wouldn't understand it and we would be attacked as it is a common practice here by some people.

[KoolHndLuke]

1 minute ago, Evaloves4 said:

> If everything would be for posting in the threads, we wouldn't need PM. Right? I am different then you. Some of my interlocutors ask me about certain things they aren't for public. There is a simple explanation for that: some readers wouldn't understand it and we would be attacked as it is a common practice here by some people.

Curious why you put this in a thread and didn't just ask a mod to begin with. I know @Psalam would have given you a straight answer.

Edited November 17, 2022 by KoolHndLuke

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, KoolHndLuke said:

Curious why you put this in a thread and didn't just ask a mod to begin with. I know @Psalam would have given you a straight answer.

> Because I think globally I am sure I am not the only one who has this question, but some people are afraid to ask. Since I am already loud I am doing a favor to them

[KoolHndLuke]

1 minute ago, Evaloves4 said:

> Because I think globally I am sure I am not the only one who has this question, but some people are afraid to ask. Since I am already loud I am doing a favor to them

  

[Guest]

1 minute ago, KoolHndLuke said:

  

> Soooo, you doubt my honesty???

??

[Vader666]

12 minutes ago, KoolHndLuke said:

and didn't just ask a mod to begin with.

 

Mods typically can't do that, as already stated, acess through forum software is atleast uncommon.

Just as uncommon as mods having file acess to the server, which would be needed.