Children of Lilith - Succubus of Skyrim

[Licki]

33 minutes ago, Licki said:

All of this happened with zero vampire mods being installed. 

 

I told a lie.. I did have a mod on iNeed which allowed iNeed to work with vampire feeding... in case I eventually wanted to try it.  Also have a couple of cosmetics, but nothing that changes the way Vampirism actually works.

 

I'll try to see about about various ways to prevent/cure vampirism on the new playthrough, but yeah, very annoying that a random vampire encounter can bork a Succubus playthrough.  Stuff I've found so far:

 

For prevention

- The Dragon Priest mask of Hevnoraak is supposed to give immunity to all diseases and poison, but wiki also states that resistances to disease and poison cap at 85% 

- get an item enchanted with "Resist Disease" and maybe Restoration Loop it?

- Check out the "Better Vampires" mod, I guess and see if I can shut off infection?

 

For infection

- Cure Disease Potion

- Shrine Blessing

- Find a Vigilant of Stendarr to cure me before full vampirism

- Do the Falion questline

- Use Racemenu to change race (supposedly zeroes out the vampirism infection)

Edited September 6, 2024 by Licki

[Miauzi]

Vor 26 Minuten sagte Licki:

 

Mein Problem ist anders. Es ist nicht so, dass ich möchte, dass der Vampirismus voranschreitet. Es ist so, dass ich es loswerden möchte. Ich wollte es nie.

 

Ich spiele mit „ Sexlab Kidnapped Redux“ in meinem Succubus-Durchlauf. Obwohl ich den Timer für die automatische Entführung ausgeschaltet habe, wurde ich in Solitude von einer Gruppe Vampiren angegriffen und in dem Chaos, das darauf folgte, drang ein Vampir in einen Abfluss und infizierte mich.

 

Von diesem Zeitpunkt an schritt der Vampirismus voran. Ich habe einen Trank zur Heilung einer Krankheit verwendet und das Infektionssymbol verschwand ... aber ich bekam weiterhin den roten Bildschirm mit der Meldung, dass die Krankheit fortschreite. Ich schaltete CoL aus, verwendete ein anderes Heilmittel für Krankheiten und beim nächsten Sonnenuntergang bekam ich immer noch einen roten Bildschirm und Meldungen. Ich ging zu einem Schrein in Talos und erhielt die Nachricht, dass alle Krankheiten geheilt seien. Ich habe immer noch den roten Bildschirm und die Meldungen, als die Sonne aufging. Jedes Mal, wenn dies passierte, wurden alle damit verbundenen Buffs für die Sukkubus-Form nicht mehr auf dem Bildschirm für magische Effekte angezeigt. Ich würde den Test mit einigen anderen Formen der Heilung fortsetzen, aber das Spiel war beschädigt und das Laden von Spielständen wurde gestoppt. Musste ein neues Spiel beginnen.

 

All dies geschah, ohne dass Vampire -Mods installiert waren. Ich habe keine Vampir-Mods installiert, da ich nicht vorhatte, einen Vampir zu spielen.

 

Interessanterweise habe ich online nach einer Möglichkeit gesucht, den Vampirismus im Spiel zu unterbinden, und jemand sagte, dass „ Better Vampires “ auf dem ersten MCM-Bildschirm eine Option zum Abschalten des Vampirismus im Spiel habe. Der Beitrag war allerdings Jahre alt, ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob er noch da sein würde.

 

The whole system of vampirism and the DLC with the vampire hunters and Princess Serana is a patchwork... and is full of contradictions and traps.

 

What caught you was a vanilla mechanic of the DLC - the vampires of Harkon regularly raid cities at night... and you and your character got into one of those.

 

In such attacks, not only are you infected with vampirism - but important NPCs are also regularly killed... without which you can no longer do or complete a number of important side quests... and NPCs who act as trainers are also repeatedly eliminated in this way!

(something similar happens later in the game when high-level dragons attack!)

The vanilla way into the crypt cave to Serana only goes via the castle of the vampire hunters... so even if you are already a (simple) vampire - you have to go to them first.

Why doesn't the boss of the vampire hunters recognize a vampire when he stands in front of him?

Why does he have to use a sun mirror to do this?

 

Yes - you start the quest to free Serana as a vampire - bring her back home... but you think Harkon is totally stupid as a vampire boss and his castle is a run-down garbage dump. So you join the vampire hunters again.

After you have recruited reinforcements for the team - you stand in the sunlight from the mirror and the boss calls out "Ha - you're a vampire - get out of here!"

 

Since you know that - you go to the magician in Morthal and get cured of vampirism... and think everything is fine.

It isn't - because Skyrim is a bitch - and now conjures up the fact that the people in the vampire hunter's castle have already noticed your vampirism... which they actually know nothing about... at least according to the dialogues.

Sounds confusing? It is - because the "engine" operates on two levels that do NOT fit together

1) the dialogue and action level of the vampire hunter NPC with you as a player

2) the level of clan membership - they are vampire hunters... but you are a vampire

The system for 2) ignores the cure for vampirism! It doesn't update!

 

Mod authors have tried to remedy this - by concealing vampirism (the HUNGER system) for 2) ... and thus getting through the Sunlight detection.

 

A mod was also created for the circumstance - why you as a vampire should initially join the vampire hunters - even though you plan from the beginning to take Serana to her father and let him make you a vampire lord:

You visit the destroyed hall of the Stendar guards - and find a message on one of the killed vampires -> quest begins

The guards in nearby "Dawnstar" give you "unsolicited" background information about the attack on the hall.

 

And because it's all a patchwork - you can try to "get rid of" vampirism (membership of the "vampire group") by command, so to speak

Because this is essentially what the "Better Vampire" function you mentioned does... or simple things like a vampire ring - where a small script turns vampirism on or off when you put it on

Whether the cure for this disease will then work...????

[Licki]

49 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

The whole system of vampirism and the DLC with the vampire hunters and Princess Serana is a patchwork... and is full of contradictions and traps.

 

What caught you was a vanilla mechanic of the DLC - the vampires of Harkon regularly raid cities at night... and you and your character got into one of those.

 

 

Not sure about all the other stuff you said, but the cause of the attack was Sexlab Kidnapped Redux.  The mod causes random attacks anywhere you are by random groups of enemies of random levels in a attempt to kidnap you and other npcs.  The mod is notorious for being buggy because it can cause essential npc's to be kidnapped and it can spawn enemies that are way beyond you.  I know it was kidnapped redux because the attack happened in the middle of solitude during the daytime and 2 of the vampires were ancient elders that I could barely put a scratch on.  What saved me from kidnap is that I also used a mod that adds a bunch of random npcs to cities to make Skyrim feel more populated.  The vampires aggroed not just Solitude's guards, but 20 other nameless npcs.

 

I'm currently in the process of dropping several mods from my load order and I'll start a new, and hopefully more stable, game along with Better Vampires just to see if reddit was correct in saying that I can shut off vampire infection with it.

 

EDIT: It seems that Better vampires does not have a way to shut off Vampirism anymore.  BUT!  It does specify that since I'm using a custom race (My succubus game is using a custom succubus race as well) and that this may cause issues, the mod goes on to specify that is may cause vampire cures to not work!  The reason curing my vampirism in vanilla wasn't working may be because I'm using a custom race.  I've messaged on the forum for Better Vampires on Nexus to see if this is a vanilla issue or just specific to Better Vampires.

Edited September 6, 2024 by Licki
found something interesting with "Better Vampires" mod

[phalancks]

1 hour ago, Miauzi said:

the vampires of Harkon regularly raid cities at night

When Dawnguard initially released these raids happened, but I thought a patch to the game removed them for the exact issues you mentioned.

 

The rest of what you said matches what I suspected, that the curing of vampirism doesn't change the Dawnguard faction's response to you regardless of CoL. But it doesn't address the issues Licki is having.

 

1 hour ago, Licki said:

It does specify that since I'm using a custom race (My succubus game is using a custom succubus race as well) and that this may cause issues, the mod goes on to specify that is may cause vampire cures to not work!

You've never been a full vampire right? You are trying to cure the Sanguinare Vampiris disease that you contracted before you actually become a vampire. If that is the case then you are operating against the usual skyrim disease system NOT the vampire system. Are you able to contract and cure something like rockjoint? At this point I believe the the only bug that is actually with CoL is that the succubus buffs disappear while you have the vampire disease, but I'm unable to replicate it. As well as some of the issues Miauzi mentioned that I need to test, but those are separate from your issues with Sanguinare Vampiris. That's also why I suggested you look at any mods that alter the way diseases work, not just vampire mods.

[Licki]

34 minutes ago, phalancks said:

You've never been a full vampire right? You are trying to cure the Sanguinare Vampiris disease that you contracted before you actually become a vampire.

 

This is correct.  I have contracted other diseases and they cure fine with a cure disease potion.  What other mods are you talking about tho with ones that change the way diseases work?  Could you link?  I have horrible luck with loverslab search engine, unfortunately.  Lately, I've been resorting to just google, which works as better when looking for mods in LL XD

[Miauzi]

Vor 3 Stunden sagte Phalancks:

Als Dawnguard zum ersten Mal veröffentlicht wurde, gab es diese Raids, aber ich dachte, ein Patch für das Spiel hätte sie wegen genau der von Ihnen erwähnten Probleme entfernt.

 

Der Rest von dem, was Sie gesagt haben, deckt sich mit meiner Vermutung, dass die Heilung des Vampirismus nichts an der Reaktion der Dawnguard-Fraktion Ihnen gegenüber ändert, unabhängig von CoL. Aber es geht nicht auf die Probleme ein, die Licki hat.

 

 

 

Spoiler

The "removal" thing is probably not quite as clear as I can tell from the reddit discussion

 

 

This mod solves the problem (at least for me)

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/52816/

 

[Licki]

11 hours ago, Miauzi said:

 

 

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The "removal" thing is probably not quite as clear as I can tell from the reddit discussion

 

 

This mod solves the problem (at least for me)

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/52816/

 

 

Yes, and the random attacks got patched out by Bethesda when they added the creation club in 2023, two years after that mod was published.  The issue I've been talking about is not about getting attacked by vampires.  It doesn't matter if the attack happened because of Dawnguard.  The issue has been getting infected by vampires and not being able to cure the disease to prevent becoming a vampire.

[phalancks]

18 hours ago, Licki said:

This is correct.  I have contracted other diseases and they cure fine with a cure disease potion.  What other mods are you talking about tho with ones that change the way diseases work?  Could you link?  I have horrible luck with loverslab search engine, unfortunately.  Lately, I've been resorting to just google, which works as better when looking for mods in LL XD

I believe iNeed has a disease portion, but there are also many others that do stuff to disease. Deadly Diseases is one I know off the top of my head.

[Licki]

Sorry to keep spamming the thread with my issues

 

I've started a new playthrough using a normal Skyrim Race to see if I get the vampire infection cure bug.  But I've also done some reshuffle of mods and such and picked up some more mod.... I keep going down that rabbit hole

 

Has there been any incompatibilities with Sexlab Deadly Drain?  Any tips?  DD works with SL Seperate Orgasm for more orgasm feedings and I've noticed that sometimes my Succubus gets CoL xp, but doesn't get energy and recently my character was masturbating and during the masturbation, The "Drain to Death is Enabled" message that shows when it activates in CoL was spamming during the scene.  My Succubus was currently starving at that point even tho she had just had sex as well.

[phalancks]

11 hours ago, Licki said:

Sorry to keep spamming the thread with my issues

 

I've started a new playthrough using a normal Skyrim Race to see if I get the vampire infection cure bug.  But I've also done some reshuffle of mods and such and picked up some more mod.... I keep going down that rabbit hole

 

Has there been any incompatibilities with Sexlab Deadly Drain?  Any tips?  DD works with SL Seperate Orgasm for more orgasm feedings and I've noticed that sometimes my Succubus gets CoL xp, but doesn't get energy and recently my character was masturbating and during the masturbation, The "Drain to Death is Enabled" message that shows when it activates in CoL was spamming during the scene.  My Succubus was currently starving at that point even tho she had just had sex as well.

I haven't heard anyone have issues with it. I've heard people use SLDD for the draining/feeding etc. and CoL for the transformation. The two mods won't interact though, so if a SLDD drain happens it won't feed CoL and vice versa.

[Miauzi]

Vor 12 Stunden sagte Licki:

Es tut mir leid, dass ich den Thread ständig mit meinen Problemen überstopfe

 

Ich habe ein neues Durchspielen mit einem normalen Skyrim-Rennen begonnen, um zu sehen, ob ich den Fehler zur Heilung von Vampirinfektionen bekomme. Aber ich habe auch ein paar Mods usw. umgestaltet und mir noch mehr Mods zugelegt ... Ich gehe immer wieder in dieses Kaninchenloch hinein

 

Gab es Inkompatibilitäten mit Sexlab Deadly Drain? Irgendwelche Tipps? DD arbeitet mit SL Separate Orgasm für mehr Orgasmusfütterungen und mir ist aufgefallen, dass mein Succubus manchmal zwar CoL-XP, aber keine Energie erhält, und kürzlich hat mein Charakter masturbiert und während der Masturbation kam die Meldung „Drain to Death is Enabled“. zeigt an, wann es in CoL aktiviert wird, während der Szene Spam gesendet wurde. Zu diesem Zeitpunkt war meine Succubus gerade am Verhungern, obwohl sie auch gerade Sex hatte.

 

I'm currently trying out another mod - which has a succubus "function" (the ancient profession)

 

When I looked at the bonuses in the magic menu -> 100% disease resistance

 

And I remembered strange things in Skyrim like

- with 100 magic resistance, no healing spell works on you

- with 100% resistance to disease, healing in the "usual" ways can fail

 

I can't think of whether CoL also has such a high disease resistance - but then you wouldn't be able to get infected with normal vampirism in the first place... so it could be that this is why the healing fails because of the basic mechanics

[Licki]

6 hours ago, Miauzi said:

 

I'm currently trying out another mod - which has a succubus "function" (the ancient profession)

 

When I looked at the bonuses in the magic menu -> 100% disease resistance

 

And I remembered strange things in Skyrim like

- with 100 magic resistance, no healing spell works on you

- with 100% resistance to disease, healing in the "usual" ways can fail

 

I can't think of whether CoL also has such a high disease resistance - but then you wouldn't be able to get infected with normal vampirism in the first place... so it could be that this is why the healing fails because of the basic mechanics

 

Nothing is listed in CoL about added disease resistance and if it comes to disease resistance, it will likely depend on how it is applied.  As stated earlier, the Dragon Priest mask of Hevnoorak gives "immunity to disease and poison" but actually caps at 85%, which means that you can still get diseases and be poisoned, it will just be a 15% chance of infection.  Whether or not the Fortify Restoration Loop can bypass that cap would affect the "100% resistance to disease resistance" the Ancient Profession gives, meaning it might be possible that when creating a mod the author can give a true 100% and the "immunity" that Hevnoorak gives is just Bethesda flavor text. 

 

Consider that CoL states conflicts with becoming a Vampire but not Werewolf, I think there's no disease resist given in CoL.  Because the issue I had was not becoming a vampire.  It was being infected by a disease that leads to becoming a vampire.  CoL and Better Vampires can clash with Succubus transforms because when you become a Vampire in the base game, the game actually changes your race from what you were before to a new race: Vampire.  Succubus transforms with CoL will not work if you have different races in your transform.  Transforming between mortal form and Succubus form with CoL is working the same as if you enter RaceMenu to change race.  And as stated earlier, changing your race in Racemenu is one way to cheat your way out of being a vampire if you already are one in the vanilla base game.  The only way to be a vampire succubus with CoL is to become a vampire first and then save that as the base for your transforms.

 

7 hours ago, phalancks said:

I haven't heard anyone have issues with it. I've heard people use SLDD for the draining/feeding etc. and CoL for the transformation. The two mods won't interact though, so if a SLDD drain happens it won't feed CoL and vice versa.

 

I guess I'll have to swap between which mod has lethal drain active during sex then.  Be like a parent "okay Billy, you can eat this sweet this time, but next time will be Timmy's turn".  :3

[phalancks]

2 hours ago, Licki said:

The only way to be a vampire succubus with CoL is to become a vampire first and then save that as the base for your transforms.

CoL detects when you become a vampire and updates your transformation races. At least it's supposed to. If something that changes your vampire status doesn't throw the correct event, there's not much I can do about it.

[MysticDaedra]

Is this compatible with PSQ, or at least not incompatible with it? Using PSQ for a Slaverun playthrough, but I'd much rather actually interact with CoL's gameplay and features... especially since PSQ is so ancient at this point.

[phalancks]

15 hours ago, MysticDaedra said:

Is this compatible with PSQ, or at least not incompatible with it? Using PSQ for a Slaverun playthrough, but I'd much rather actually interact with CoL's gameplay and features... especially since PSQ is so ancient at this point.

It should be compatible, in that they will both run at the same time but they won't interact. I would recommend not saving your game while transformed via PSQ.

[kupa11]

After transformating back to human mod sometimes either doesn't change appearance, or switches back to succubus form, making everyone in the city attacking me. Is there any fix for that other than disabling transformation is a crime option?

[Miauzi]

Vor 2 Stunden sagte kupa11:

Nach der Verwandlung zurück in den menschlichen Mod ändert sich manchmal entweder sein Aussehen nicht oder er wechselt zurück zur Succubus-Form, was dazu führt, dass mich jeder in der Stadt angreift. Gibt es dafür eine andere Lösung als die Deaktivierung der Option „Transformation ist eine Kriminalität“?

 

No - why?

[kupa11]

56 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

No - why?

Just asking.

[phalancks]

6 hours ago, kupa11 said:

After transformating back to human mod sometimes either doesn't change appearance, or switches back to succubus form, making everyone in the city attacking me. Is there any fix for that other than disabling transformation is a crime option?

Are you saying that the mod forcibly changes you into your succubus form? If so, look through the options in the transformation page, I suspect you set one of them that forces transformation.

[Miauzi]

Vor 2 Stunden sagte Phalancks:

Wollen Sie damit sagen, dass der Mod Sie gewaltsam in Ihre Sukkubusform verwandelt? Wenn ja, sehen Sie sich die Optionen auf der Transformationsseite an. Ich vermute, Sie haben eine davon festgelegt, die eine Transformation erzwingt.

 

For example, I decided (in a test run a few months ago) that my succubus would transform from a "human" to a "demonic" form at a certain level of sexual arousal... and another mod in the city massively increased my arousal level.

It's especially with things like this that you have to be very careful about what options you set

[kupa11]

15 hours ago, phalancks said:

Are you saying that the mod forcibly changes you into your succubus form? If so, look through the options in the transformation page, I suspect you set one of them that forces transformation.

I don't see any option like that. And it only happens after I transform, transform back, save game and load this save game. Then mod either tells me that I'm transformed, but don't look like that, or I'm not transformed, but i look like it. After few tries it gets back to normal tho.

[kidleader96]

using old saves, this mod not showing in mcm.
create a new game, mod also not showing in mcm, help?

[Miauzi]

Vor 2 Stunden sagte kidleader96:

Bei Verwendung alter Speicherstände wird dieser Mod nicht im MCM angezeigt.
Erstelle ein neues Spiel, Mod wird auch nicht in mcm angezeigt, Hilfe?

 

 

[phalancks]

17 hours ago, kidleader96 said:

using old saves, this mod not showing in mcm.
create a new game, mod also not showing in mcm, help?

As Miauzi linked, BEES is required if you are on 1.5.97. If not that, you can also try running

setstage SKI_ConfigManagerInstance 1

 

Last ditch effort would be to try uninstalling CoL making a clean save, and reinstalling. Sometimes it's the script load at the beginning of a game that can prevent it.

 

Unfortunately MCMs can be a bit finicky to get to show up and there's not much I can do about it afaik.

[Miauzi]

Vor 1 Stunde sagte phalancks:

Wie Miauzi verlinkt hat, ist BEES erforderlich, wenn Sie Version 1.5.97 verwenden. Wenn nicht, können Sie es auch mit Laufen versuchen

setstage SKI_ConfigManagerInstance 1 

 

Der letzte Versuch wäre, CoL zu deinstallieren, sauber zu speichern und neu zu installieren. Manchmal ist es die Skriptlast zu Beginn eines Spiels, die dies verhindern kann.

 

Leider kann es etwas schwierig sein, MCMs aufzutauchen, und ich kann nicht viel dagegen tun.

 

"Bees" is even the key to problems with "older" AE versions - as we recently discovered with other mods... these were created for the latest AE version or converted from LE - but did not work with these "older" AE versions (i.e. no MCM)

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The "setstage" command did NOT help me without "bees".