Stallion Ring

[SmedleyDButler]

Hmmm... I wonder how this sort of thing goes for other people on other sites trying similar things?

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/47238?tab=posts

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/uacaoo/theres_a_pretty_large_alternative_main_quest_mod/

 

Edited May 19, 2022 by SmedleyDButler

[keitolainen]

17 hours ago, SmedleyDButler said:

 

"Seems like" is not "is". The reasons the convention exist have already been posted multiple times ITT.

 

Speaking about a convention which clearly exists is a description of facts, not an opinion. If you believe I'm lying or wrong, feel free to look around here or go on Nexus and count the ratio of "surprise" mods with no or blank images or information uploaded to versus mods with images and clear, unambiguous documentation. In fact it's literally Nexus POLICY that mods cannot be published without at least one image. You may also want to look at the comments in such mods.

 

This is not Nexus, but they are by far the larger platform and in any case the same convention holds true for both sites in practice, even if we don't have explicit rules for it.

 

This isn't something happening in a vacuum either; poorly-made mods can fuck your savegame up. That too is a fact, not an opinion. Just because the mod is offered for free does not mean it has no costs to the user.

 

Sorry, I was trying to be polite but I ended up being unclear. It seems like circular logic because it is circular logic, and repeating something a number of times doesn't make it more correct.

 

I took your advice and re-read the Nexus file and community guidelines, as well as LL's. I couldn't find anything on Nexus talking about anything you have mentioned here. You are right that this is not Nexus though. But if we accept your premise that Nexus guidelines set the standards for the larger modding community (which I don't), then here's an interesting one for you: Don't be a vigilante. Don't try to enforce guidelines. That's what the site's moderators are for, and you are not one of them. Now we are picking and choosing which of Nexus' guidelines to enforce ourselves. To be clear: I am pointing this out to show the fundamental flaw in the logic.

 

Here is a rule from this actual site though: Don't be a dick. You used that specific word to describe your own posts here in an earlier response. Why doesn't that rule count?

 

Another rule from this site: Mod authors come first. Not users.

 

All of this just shows that this thread was never about guidelines or protecting users, it was about users being angry that a mod who's premise they don't like was uploaded.

 

4 hours ago, SmedleyDButler said:

Hmmm... I wonder how this sort of thing goes for other people on other sites trying similar things?

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/47238?tab=posts

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/uacaoo/theres_a_pretty_large_alternative_main_quest_mod/

 

 

Imagine being that civil in a conversation. Memes and questions? I would love to see more threads like that here.

[pinky6225]

On 5/16/2022 at 11:43 PM, Victor15 said:

Well, this has certainly been an education for myself.

 

I did not realize that a mod containing a single enchanted item would cause so much... controversy?

 

My honest thought was that people other than myself would have the same level of curiosity (and fun) that I have had for similar mods (not presented here, apparently) where an enchanted item's abilities weren't completely transparent and you would have to learn through experimentation what those abilities were. Clearly, that is not the case for this website. I even thought that including a poem roughly describing it's abilities and a "spoiler file" would spoil the puzzle for too many people but including them seems to have caused even more controversy, accusing me of inflating download numbers.

 

I did not intend to insult your community or offend it. I also thought that your community was already familiar with these types of mods or, at the very least, would be appreciative of it. That is clearly not the case.

 

What can I write? I "misjudged the market," to use entrepreneurial language.

 

I shall rescind this mod for now and reconsider similar efforts. Thank you for the feedback.

 

Adding the poem was a good idea/sufficent to my mind as it gives the general idea of what your mod is going to do

 

Some people (maybe because when they've asked for help they've been told "WAAAGH you should have read the mod description") expect a silly amount of detail about what the mod will do while others will just give it a go, you can't satisfy everyone so i wouldnt try tbh

[SmedleyDButler]

5 hours ago, keitolainen said:

 

Sorry, I was trying to be polite but I ended up being unclear. It seems like circular logic because it is circular logic, and repeating something a number of times doesn't make it more correct.

 

I took your advice and re-read the Nexus file and community guidelines, as well as LL's. I couldn't find anything on Nexus talking about anything you have mentioned here. You are right that this is not Nexus though. But if we accept your premise that Nexus guidelines set the standards for the larger modding community (which I don't), then here's an interesting one for you: Don't be a vigilante. Don't try to enforce guidelines. That's what the site's moderators are for, and you are not one of them. Now we are picking and choosing which of Nexus' guidelines to enforce ourselves. To be clear: I am pointing this out to show the fundamental flaw in the logic.

 

Here is a rule from this actual site though: Don't be a dick. You used that specific word to describe your own posts here in an earlier response. Why doesn't that rule count?

 

Another rule from this site: Mod authors come first. Not users.

 

All of this just shows that this thread was never about guidelines or protecting users, it was about users being angry that a mod who's premise they don't like was uploaded.

 

 

Imagine being that civil in a conversation. Memes and questions? I would love to see more threads like that here.

 

I said to look at other mods, not literally apply Nexus rules to LL. That's quite the pretzel you came up with trying to gotcha me. 

 

Never mind telling me not to "vigilante comment" as that's for moderators while attempting to tone police me. And you want to talk about circular?

[ChandraArgentis]

If you want to give some 'mystery' to the mod, there's this thing called a 'spoiler' tag where you can still give a complete description about what it does, but let people choose if they want this information 'spoiled' for them.  Doing that originally - possibly with nested spoilers might have helped a lot.

[ANGRYWOLVERINE]

On 5/15/2022 at 6:35 PM, Victor15 said:

 

Hi shardoom and thank you for your prompt feedback.

 

In response to your concern about information on what the ring does, I understand that the initial description could be seen as inadequate for people who want more exact information. However, I also want to balance that desire out with the nature and intent of the mod, which is that the ring is mysterious and that what it does is not initially clear to the wearer. My compromise is to include the poem that is discovered with the ring in the description of the mod (in spoiler text) in the event that people want more information. Remember that there's a "spoiler file" included with the mod that offers very precise information on that the ring does for those people who want that level of clarity.

 

As for the desire for screenshots, I'm not sure if screenshots are entirely necessary. The spoiler texts offer a fairly good description of where it is and you can get that same information in the "spoiler file" included with the mod. It is fair that I may need to revise this opinion for later but I want there to be some mystery to where the item is; Think of it as another treasure hunt.

 

Again, thank you for your feedback and I hope that you enjoy the mod.

You have more patience than I have.

Sounds like the one ring sort of thing. A cursed ring.

Might be fun to try it out although I wouldnt keep it. Not want it to mess my playthrough up.

Good job though.

[donttouchmethere]

Good idea!

Even better if it adds Pony devices from Toys or DD ?

[ChandraArgentis]

I've added this to my game, and while I can add it via console, I can't seem to find the chest in-game.