Is there a way to find what mods are causing the most lag?

[Nicynodle2]

I don't think its 1 specific mods but just the fact I have 200+ and want to know which ones would help the most by removing them.

[Nicynodle2]

oh, also some lag reducing tip as well

[BreadDain]

4 minutes ago, Nicynodle2 said:

oh, also some lag reducing tip as well

Remove script-heavy mods, reduce frequency of script/effect polls, increase papyrus budget (can be dangerous), upgrade hardware.

'The most lag' can be really anything, you need to be specific here.

[Nicynodle2]

17 minutes ago, BreadDain said:

Remove script-heavy mods, reduce frequency of script/effect polls, increase papyrus budget (can be dangerous), upgrade hardware.

'The most lag' can be really anything, you need to be specific here.

slow start up times, occaisional crashes on death, freezes for a few seconds on saves and the occaisional frame stutter. how do I increase the papyrus budget (cos I think my hardware should handle 200 mods)

 

[Nicynodle2]

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[BreadDain]

Your issue doesn't seem to be having anything with Papyrus:
 

10 hours ago, Nicynodle2 said:

slow start up times

depending on actual timer, that's normal with big mod loads. And you have pretty major additions in your list.
 

10 hours ago, Nicynodle2 said:

occaisional frame stutter

Sounds more like physics or memory issue, maybe some overkill textures are installed. Plugin list is irrelevant for this issue.
 

10 hours ago, Nicynodle2 said:

freezes for a few seconds on saves

What's your save file size? Freeze is normal when your system tries to 'write' a file if it is big enough.

For a crash you having, the only thing you can do is providing a crash log.
Have a Net Script Framework installed https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/21294
The log would be located in base game data folder + .\NetScriptFramework\Crash directory, or Overwrite mod/folder for MO2 users. Name would look like Crash_20xx_xx_xx_xx-xx-xx.txt

[Grey Cloud]

11 hours ago, BreadDain said:

Remove script-heavy mods

Define 'script-heavy'.

 

11 hours ago, Nicynodle2 said:

slow start up times, occaisional crashes on death, freezes for a few seconds on saves and the occaisional frame stutter. how do I increase the papyrus budget (cos I think my hardware should handle 200 mods)

That's a badly configured game, i.e. your doing, not the fault of a particular mod or mods. You asking about increasing the Papyrus budget and the comment about 200 mods and your hardware suggests you don't know much about modding Skyrim.

 

For SE
https://www.loverslab.com/topic/136543-mod-organizer-2-other-tools-from-zero-to-hey-sexlab-is-working/

 

 

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/118460-skyrim-se-for-beginners-v-319-3bbb-hdt-smp-hph/

 

 

Edited October 21, 2021 by Grey Cloud

[BreadDain]

17 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Define 'script-heavy'.

Should I really? Any mods that implement additional effects to combat are, since combat has not the best perfomance in Skyrim, and adding something more will slow your game down.
Arousal if set on frequent value polls can also increase stress on Papyrus. I know that the guy probably doesn't understand what it means, but why would they install so many mods in the first place then?

Edited October 21, 2021 by BreadDain

[donttouchmethere]

12 hours ago, Nicynodle2 said:

freezes for a few seconds on saves

Like literally seconds or feels like a long time? Does it get worse?

If save take longer than usually, especially in early games, I would check the savegame with Fallrimtools to see if something went haywire.

I know long or overly long save times from either bugged mods or suspended stacks after too many active scripts or bad mod combination.

You can also check if the ess save file is unusually big or if the SKSE co save is bloated (just compare the save sizes to savegames that didn't take that long to be written).

 

Just found this interesting mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/32580?tab=description

 

Maybe it even has something to do with the latest Skyrim SE update I heard of?

Edited October 21, 2021 by donttouchmethere

[Nicynodle2]

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

Define 'script-heavy'.

 

That's a badly configured game, i.e. your doing, not the fault of a particular mod or mods. You asking about increasing the Papyrus budget and the comment about 200 mods and your hardware suggests you don't know much about modding Skyrim.

 

For SE
https://www.loverslab.com/topic/136543-mod-organizer-2-other-tools-from-zero-to-hey-sexlab-is-working/

 

 

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/118460-skyrim-se-for-beginners-v-319-3bbb-hdt-smp-hph/

 

 

I started modding skyrim last week, so yeah, I don't know much, also Ive followwed those guides, it's the only reason I got past 30 mods without crashing.

 

[Nicynodle2]

21 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

Like literally seconds or feels like a long time? Does it get worse?

If save take longer than usually, especially in early games, I would check the savegame with Fallrimtools to see if something went haywire.

I know long or overly long save times from either bugged mods or suspended stacks after too many active scripts or bad mod combination.

You can also check if the ess save file is unusually big or if the SKSE co save is bloated (just compare the save sizes to savegames that didn't take that long to be written).

 

Just found this interesting mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/32580?tab=description

 

Maybe it even has something to do with the latest Skyrim SE update I heard of?

My saves are typically between 1 to 3 seconds, with it being the worst when it autosaves during combat.

[BreadDain]

1 minute ago, Nicynodle2 said:

My saves are typically between 1 to 3 seconds, with it being the worst when it autosaves during combat.

That's a normal amount for some systems on modded client. Disable any autosaves in your game btw, they tend to corrupt save files on long run.

[Nicynodle2]

1 hour ago, BreadDain said:

Should I really? Any mods that implement additional effects to combat are, since combat has not the best perfomance in Skyrim, and adding something more will slow your game down.
Arousal if set on frequent value polls can also increase stress on Papyrus. I know that the guy probably doesn't understand what it means, but why would they install so many mods in the first place then?

 

2 hours ago, BreadDain said:

Your issue doesn't seem to be having anything with Papyrus:
 

depending on actual timer, that's normal with big mod loads. And you have pretty major additions in your list.
 

Sounds more like physics or memory issue, maybe some overkill textures are installed. Plugin list is irrelevant for this issue.
 

What's your save file size? Freeze is normal when your system tries to 'write' a file if it is big enough.

For a crash you having, the only thing you can do is providing a crash log.
Have a Net Script Framework installed https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/21294
The log would be located in base game data folder + .\NetScriptFramework\Crash directory, or Overwrite mod/folder for MO2 users. Name would look like Crash_20xx_xx_xx_xx-xx-xx.txt

my save file sizes are between 18kb and 48,755kb with most of them being about 1,000 kb. Also im using like 3 magic graphics overhauls and a bunch new spell adding mods.
P.S. I kinda downloaded this many mods purely becuase I never have before

[Nicynodle2]

7 minutes ago, BreadDain said:

That's a normal amount for some systems on modded client. Disable any autosaves in your game btw, they tend to corrupt save files on long run.

okay, I feel like I should ask why but I won't understand most likely.

[donttouchmethere]

2 hours ago, Nicynodle2 said:

worst when it autosaves during combat.

Who does autosaves during combat ?

One does not simply autosave during combat ?

One simply does not

Edited October 21, 2021 by donttouchmethere
Spellchecked by GC; thanks, makes more sense now ^^

[Nicynodle2]

Just now, donttouchmethere said:

Who does autosaves during combat ?

One does not simply autosave during combat ?

 

gotta potion spam to stay alive and I got autosaves set to 5 mins

[donttouchmethere]

2 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Define 'script-heavy'.

It's like heavy metal, just without the metal ?‍♂️

[donttouchmethere]

8 minutes ago, Nicynodle2 said:

gotta potion spam to stay alive and I got autosaves set to 5 mins

There has to be a meme out there for that ?

 

Come to think of it ?

This definitely sounds like you need to robust defeat mod!

Edited October 21, 2021 by donttouchmethere

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, BreadDain said:

Should I really?

Yes you should because you obviously don't know what you are talking about and are just parroting something you have picked up.

 

1 hour ago, BreadDain said:

Any mods that implement additional effects to combat are, since combat has not the best perfomance in Skyrim,

Even if true then that would only happen when there was combat.

 

1 hour ago, BreadDain said:

Arousal if set on frequent value polls can also increase stress on Papyrus

Any polling set to too high a frequency has the potential to put 'stress' on Papyrus.

 

12 minutes ago, BreadDain said:

Disable any autosaves in your game btw, they tend to corrupt save files on long run.

Explain how an autosave differs from any other type of save and why they 'corrupt' the files.

 

18 minutes ago, Nicynodle2 said:

I started modding skyrim last week, so yeah, I don't know much, also Ive followwed those guides, it's the only reason I got past 30 mods without crashing.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that - we all started at the beginning.

That said, there is a lot of info in those two guides and you will not of picked it all up on one run. I've been modding LE for 5 years but if I went over to SE I'd expect to be referring to those guides for several weeks until I got things to settle down.

Pay particular attention to the set up and configuration parts of the first guide and look to the second guide (or both) for any info on mods which may need an extra step or two to work nicely.

 

[Grey Cloud]

17 minutes ago, Nicynodle2 said:

I kinda downloaded this many mods purely becuase I never have before

Is the correct answer.

[Nicynodle2]

6 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

There has to be a meme out there for that ?

 

Come to think of it ?

This definitely sounds like you need to robust defeat mod!

theres tons of memes, though not potions but like "hold on I need to stop fighting to eat 86 whole wheels of cheese, give me a second"

[Grey Cloud]

16 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

One does not simply autosave during combat

One simply does not . . . ?

[Nicynodle2]

3 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Is the correct answer.

I honestly would have no issue going back down to 150 mods where everything was stable, maybe delete the sex mods as they are more for immersion then gameplay.

[donttouchmethere]

21 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Explain how an autosave differs from any other type of save and why they 'corrupt' the files.

If you don't bribe your autosave manager enough he might overwrite always the same save, even with a corrupt one.

I heard of cases where skse co saves "fell from the truck" or got stretched with less than healthy substitutes.

Or was that the Quick Save Mafia?

Edited October 21, 2021 by donttouchmethere

[donttouchmethere]

19 minutes ago, Nicynodle2 said:

maybe delete the sex mods as they are more for immersion then gameplay.

NONONO!

Lewd defeat mods would significantly increase your survival probability.
If that's not important for gameplay, I don't know what is.