CTD After Ralof Mentions Thief

Azzhat · April 22, 2021

Not sure why but SSE crashes after Ralof mentions the thief in the carriage ride to Helgen. He literally says "and that thief ov-" and then it crashes. All my mods are cleaned and are sorted by LOOT/Vortex. Here's my load order:

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0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
6 6 RSkyrimChildren.esm
7 7 LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm
8 8 SexLab.esm
9 9 3DNPC.esp
254 FE 0 Black Thief.esl
10 a Heels Sound.esm
11 b BSAssets.esm
12 c BSHeartland.esm
13 d Dwarfsphere.esp
14 e BS_DLC_patch.esp
15 f Vigilant.esm
254 FE 1 BSGlenroyAK.esl
254 FE 2 Expressive Facegen Morphs.esl
16 10 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
17 11 Fertility Mode.esm
254 FE 3 Ecotone Dual Sheath.esl
18 12 SkyUI_SE.esp
19 13 UnlimitedBookshelves.esp
20 14 QuestsAreInSkyrimUSSEP.esp
21 15 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
22 16 Gildergreen Regrown.esp
23 17 Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
254 FE 4 DBM_ISC_Patch.esp
254 FE 5 DBM_RSChildren_Patch.esp
254 FE 6 DBM_WACCF_Patch.esp
254 FE 7 DBM_UnlimitedBookshelves_Patch.esp
254 FE 8 Qw_ISC_USSEP Patch.esp
24 18 RSChildren.esp
254 FE 9 Qw_WACCF_RSChildren Patch.esp
25 19 UIExtensions.esp
26 1a AddItemMenuSE.esp
27 1b SexLab Vanilla Voices.esp
28 1c VampireNoFallDamage.esp
29 1d FNIS.esp
30 1e SOSRaceMenu.esp
31 1f ERF - Futanari CBBE - Equippable.esp
32 20 SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
33 21 DepthsOfSkyrim.esp
34 22 proudspiremanortnf.esp
254 FE a DBM_BSHeartlandPatch.esp
254 FE b AnnaVlindrelHall.esp
35 23 AnnaBreezehome.esp
36 24 Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp
37 25 WACCF_Armor and Clothing Extension.esp
254 FE c Vigilant Voiced.esp
254 FE d mihailanimalbones.esp
38 26 Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp
39 27 SeranaDialogAddon.esp
254 FE e CBBE.esp
40 28 Run For Your Lives.esp
254 FE f DBM_3DNPC_Patch.esp
41 29 LKVM Cellar and Exterior.esp
254 FE 10 Qw_BeyondSkyrimBruma_USSEP Hotfix Patch.esp
42 2a wavetest.esp
254 FE 11 mihailgiantsnakes.esp
254 FE 12 Qw_3DNPC_USSEP Patch.esp
254 FE 13 Qw_ACE_BSHeartland Patch.esp
43 2b LKVM Main House.esp
44 2c SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp
45 2d Black Thief.esp
254 FE 14 Quest Markers Restored.esp
46 2e AetheriumSwordsnArmor.esp
254 FE 15 DBM_AetheriumWeapons_Patch.esp
254 FE 16 DBM_AHO_Patch.esp
254 FE 17 DBM_Vigilant_Patch.esp
47 2f PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp
254 FE 18 DBM_RoyalArmory_Patch.esp
254 FE 19 DBM_Wintersun_Patch.esp
48 30 AnnaHjerim.esp
254 FE 1a arvak_replace.esp
254 FE 1b CWRepairs.esp
254 FE 1c LOTD Stuttering Begone.esp
254 FE 1d DBM_SafehousePlus_Addon.esp
49 31 HearthfireCarriageD&S_SE.esp
50 32 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
51 33 DarkEnvoy.esp
52 34 LKVM_NOGrass.esp
254 FE 1e DBM_DepthsofSkyrim_Patch.esp
254 FE 1f 3BBB.esp
254 FE 20 OBS_TidyUp.esp
53 35 TimingIsEverything.esp
54 36 Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
55 37 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
56 38 Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
57 39 SlaveTats.esp
58 3a RaceMenuHH.esp
59 3b RaceMenu.esp
60 3c AHO_Patch.esp
61 3d Predator Vision.esp
62 3e Predator Vision - Sense Dead.esp
63 3f PerkPointPotion.esp
64 40 PositiveUndressedReactions.esp
65 41 PAN_NPCs_Males.esp
66 42 PC Head Tracking - MCM.esp
67 43 No Vampire Cure on Rumors.esp
68 44 3DNPC_Dragonborn.esp
69 45 KS Hairdo's.esp
254 FE 21 Cuyima 3DNPC - Redone.esp
254 FE 22 TimingIsEverythingBrumaPatch.esp
254 FE 23 RSC_USSEP_AventusFix.esp
70 46 RSC 3DNPC Patch.esp
71 47 RSChildren Patch - BS Bruma.esp
72 48 RealHighHeelsWithHeelsSound.esp
73 49 Pumps.esp
74 4a RealisticHuskySoundsSSE.esp
75 4b LazyTools.esp
76 4c LeftHandRings-1stPersonView.esp
77 4d MeekoHuskyEssential.esp
78 4e DenassaG_MageRobes.esp
79 4f KaliliesNPCs.esp
80 50 The Ordinary Women.esp
254 FE 24 Qw_3DNPC_TheOrdinaryWomen Patch.esp
81 51 Gwelda Vampire.esp
82 52 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
254 FE 25 FleshFX.esp
83 53 Fertility Mode - RSChildren.esp
84 54 FasterArvak50%.esp
85 55 EastEmpirePendantsMarkers.esp
254 FE 26 DX Necromancer Robes.esp
86 56 DX Druid Armor.esp
87 57 Dress Up Lovers.esp
88 58 Fertility Adventures.esp
254 FE 27 Celes Mercy.esp
89 59 bloodbond.esp
90 5a Bijin AIO.esp
91 5b FemaleWerewolfExtended.esp
254 FE 28 Qw_BijinAIO_USSEP Patch.esp
92 5c PAN_AIO_small.esp
93 5d PAN_Frea.esp
94 5e PAN_Valerica.esp
254 FE 29 OBS_ClosingTime.esp
95 5f BlackSacramentArmor.esp
96 60 FranklyHDImperialArmorsAndWeapons.esp
97 61 BlackSacramentDBReplacer.esp
98 62 Elisif Makeover.esp
99 63 AnubAnimObj.esp
100 64 Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
101 65 Magicka_Cost_Level_Scaling_90.esp
254 FE 2a SDA_SLPatch.esp
102 66 Crimson Blood Armor.esp
254 FE 2b SDA-AA Patch.esp
103 67 SDA- DX CBlood Patch.esp
254 FE 2c SDA Wintersun Patch.esp
104 68 NoOverpenetration.esp
105 69 SLAnimLoader.esp
254 FE 2d LegacyoftheDragonborn - NPC Overhaul.esp
106 6a XPMSE.esp
107 6b SOS - ERF - Futanari CBBE - Addon.esp
108 6c RaceMenuPlugin.esp
109 6d PC Head Tracking - Patch.esp
254 FE 2e 3DNPC0.esp
110 6e LeftHandRings.esp
111 6f RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
112 70 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
113 71 LKVMII_LT01.esp
114 72 buildingmaterialsgodchest.esp
115 73 LKVM_LT01.esp
254 FE 2f Qw_WACCF_ISC Patch.esp
254 FE 30 [COCO] Pinup Cheongsam.esp
116 74 BonemoldWeapons.esp
254 FE 31 aMidianBorn_Book of Silence.esp
117 75 Ecotone Dual Sheath Patch.esp
118 76 FNISSexyMove.esp
254 FE 32 H2135HalloweenOutfit2020.esp
DX Dark Knight Armor.esp
119 77 Spartan Bard Outfit.esp
120 78 DX Staff of Necromancy.esp
121 79 DX Witcher Armor.esp
122 7a DX Witcher Swords.esp
123 7b Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
124 7c AKA_LeftHandRings_Patch.esp
125 7d Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
254 FE 33 Ordinator_WACCF_Patch.esp
254 FE 34 Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp
126 7e Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp
254 FE 35 Sacrosanct - Non-Starved Draining and Sneak Draining.esp
127 7f Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
128 80 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
254 FE 36 RDO Updated.esp
254 FE 37 SDA RDO Patch.esp
129 81 Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp
130 82 Serana Dialogue Edit.esp
254 FE 38 SDA_SDE Patch.esp
131 83 nwsFollowerFramework.esp
254 FE 39 nwsFF_NoTeamMagicDamage.esp
254 FE 3a SDA NFF Patch.esp
132 84 Palaces Castles Enhanced.esp
254 FE 3b PCE - USSEP Patch.esp
254 FE 3c PCE - 3DNPC Patch.esp
254 FE 3d DBM_PCE_Patch.esp
254 FE 3e PCE - Marked Droppable Barenziah Stones.esp
133 85 PCE - Royal Armory Patch.esp
254 FE 3f PCE - RDO Patch.esp
134 86 WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp
135 87 Sum_WACCF_Patch.esp
254 FE 40 Dawnguard Map Markers.esp

And here's a copy of my Papyrus log
Please help me.

Papyrus.0.log

***Psalam*** · April 22, 2021

The ride to Helgen is difficult on the Bethesda engine even without mods (you may or may not remember stuttering with just the vanilla game). So, you have two choices (basically): 1) you can do what most of us have done and play with Alternate Start - Live Another Life mod or, 2) you can deactivate the bulk of your mods (to make things easier on the engine) until after you get out of Helgen. Then save the game, reload your mods and reload your game.

Azzhat · April 22, 2021

12 minutes ago, Psalam said:

The ride to Helgen is difficult on the Bethesda engine even without mods (you may or may not remember stuttering with just the vanilla game). So, you have two choices (basically): 1) you can do what most of us have done and play with Alternate Start - Live Another Life mod or, 2) you can deactivate the bulk of your mods (to make things easier on the engine) until after you get out of Helgen. Then save the game, reload your mods and reload your game.

Alternate start it is...

Azzhat · April 22, 2021

And now it's crashing just outside Riverwood...

***Psalam*** · April 22, 2021

1 hour ago, Azzhat said:

And now it's crashing just outside Riverwood...

Try these:

1) Turn off the esp for XPMSE - DO NOT DISABLE OR DELETE THE MOD - simply turn the esp off (gives the engine a little more "breathing room.")

2) Your papyrus log shows stacks with "Hunter's vison." I assume that this is from the Predator Vision mods. Try turning those off as well.

Azzhat · April 22, 2021

21 minutes ago, Psalam said:

Try these:

1) Turn off the esp for XPMSE - DO NOT DISABLE OR DELETE THE MOD - simply turn the esp off (gives the engine a little more "breathing room.")

2) Your papyrus log shows stacks with "Hunter's vison." I assume that this is from the Predator Vision mods. Try turning those off as well.

Tried that, still crashed once Riverwood came into view. Ugh, I never had any problems when I used NMM...

Azzhat · April 22, 2021

Here's the papyrus log with the parameters you suggested.

Papyrus.0.log

***Psalam*** · April 22, 2021

47 minutes ago, Azzhat said:

Here's the papyrus log with the parameters you suggested.

Papyrus.0.log 59.76 kB · 0 downloads

You're sure you turned off the XPMSE esp - it still shows in your log.

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stack:
   [None].FormList.ToArray() - "<native>" Line ?
   [Active effect 8 on (00000014)].XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect.GetWornAmmoType() - "XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect.psc" Line 1665
   [Active effect 8 on (00000014)].XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect.Restyle() - "XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect.psc" Line 562
   [Active effect 8 on (00000014)].XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect.onBeginState() - "XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect.psc" Line 255
   [Active effect 8 on (00000014)].XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect.GotoState() - "ActiveMagicEffect.psc" Line ?
   [Active effect 8 on (00000014)].XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect.OnEffectStart() - "XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect.psc" Line 222

What is SDA? (It also gets a lot of play in your log.)

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stack:
   <unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ?
   [alias playerAlias on quest SDA_ModCheck (27E96817)].SDA_ModCheckScript.ModScan() - "SDA_ModCheckScript.psc" Line 12
   [alias playerAlias on quest SDA_ModCheck (27E96817)].SDA_ModCheckScript.ScanForMods() - "SDA_ModCheckScript.psc" Line 22
   [alias playerAlias on quest SDA_ModCheck (27E96817)].SDA_ModCheckScript.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "SDA_ModCheckScript.psc" Line 35

And don't blame me - I still use NMM (although my friends tell me that NMM and I are both fossils. I tell them that we're still working though!)

Azzhat · April 22, 2021

5 hours ago, Psalam said:

You're sure you turned off the XPMSE esp - it still shows in your log.

Reveal hidden contents

stack:
   [None].FormList.ToArray() - "<native>" Line ?
   [Active effect 8 on (00000014)].XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect.GetWornAmmoType() - "XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect.psc" Line 1665
   [Active effect 8 on (00000014)].XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect.Restyle() - "XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect.psc" Line 562
   [Active effect 8 on (00000014)].XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect.onBeginState() - "XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect.psc" Line 255
   [Active effect 8 on (00000014)].XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect.GotoState() - "ActiveMagicEffect.psc" Line ?
   [Active effect 8 on (00000014)].XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect.OnEffectStart() - "XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect.psc" Line 222

What is SDA? (It also gets a lot of play in your log.)

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stack:
   <unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ?
   [alias playerAlias on quest SDA_ModCheck (27E96817)].SDA_ModCheckScript.ModScan() - "SDA_ModCheckScript.psc" Line 12
   [alias playerAlias on quest SDA_ModCheck (27E96817)].SDA_ModCheckScript.ScanForMods() - "SDA_ModCheckScript.psc" Line 22
   [alias playerAlias on quest SDA_ModCheck (27E96817)].SDA_ModCheckScript.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "SDA_ModCheckScript.psc" Line 35

And don't blame me - I still use NMM (although my friends tell me that NMM and I are both fossils. I tell them that we're still working though!)

Not blaming you. NMM worked for me too. Looking right at the Vortex screen, says the XPMSE.esp is disabled. And SDA is Serana Dialogue Addon.

***Psalam*** · April 23, 2021

9 hours ago, Azzhat said:

And SDA is Serana Dialogue Addon.

Try flipping that off (I mean turning it off) and see if it makes a difference.

And that's why I hate non-NMM mod managers too. I showed you where it says XPMSE is "on" in your papyrus log.

Azzhat · April 23, 2021

I think I'm going to just uninstall Vortex and go back to using NMM...

Sandatharius · April 23, 2021

2 hours ago, Azzhat said:

I think I'm going to just uninstall Vortex and go back to using NMM...

Your choice. But you have to ask yourself why it's crashing, when many other people have no such issues? I use Vortex, and no crashing, but I used to get the wagon ride hanging up on a tree or a building, and couldn't proceed.

Azzhat · April 23, 2021

2 hours ago, Sandatharius said:

Your choice. But you have to ask yourself why it's crashing, when many other people have no such issues? I use Vortex, and no crashing, but I used to get the wagon ride hanging up on a tree or a building, and couldn't proceed.

Do you have my exact load order? Mine is almost identical to what I had when I used NMM. I even tried uninstalling the ones that weren't a part of it and still have had the same issues.

Sandatharius · April 23, 2021

2 hours ago, Azzhat said:

Do you have my exact load order? Mine is almost identical to what I had when I used NMM. I even tried uninstalling the ones that weren't a part of it and still have had the same issues.

Do you have the same install using Vortex that you did when you were using NMM? Because NMM installs files into the Data folder. While Vortex adds some hard links, it uses a virtual mod folder. If you're using the same game install, then I would say there are conflicting files from NMM. The ones you had in NMM are not properly uninstalled. If I were you, I would uninstall the game and delete every Skyrim SE directory that you can find so that you can have a clean install. Then install your mods again in Vortex. This is ONLY if you didn't do a clean install before you used Vortex, mind you. Just to be clear. If you did do that.....then disregard.

Azzhat · April 23, 2021

5 hours ago, Sandatharius said:

Do you have the same install using Vortex that you did when you were using NMM? Because NMM installs files into the Data folder. While Vortex adds some hard links, it uses a virtual mod folder. If you're using the same game install, then I would say there are conflicting files from NMM. The ones you had in NMM are not properly uninstalled. If I were you, I would uninstall the game and delete every Skyrim SE directory that you can find so that you can have a clean install. Then install your mods again in Vortex. This is ONLY if you didn't do a clean install before you used Vortex, mind you. Just to be clear. If you did do that.....then disregard.

My computer forced me to do a complete hard drive reset. So, yeah. Pretty sure it's a clean install.

Azzhat · April 28, 2021

Just wanted to state that I used NMM instead of Vortex and everything works just fine.

Azzhat · April 28, 2021

2 hours ago, Azzhat said:

Just wanted to state that I used NMM instead of Vortex and everything works just fine.

Update: Spoke too soon. Works for the most part, but crashes randomly. Still better than when I was using Vortex though.

Azzhat · April 28, 2021

Okay. Here's my new load order. It crashes once I walk near Alvor's blacksmithing area. Here's my load order:

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GameMode=SkyrimSE

Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp=1
RSkyrimChildren.esm=1
Heels Sound.esm=1
LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm=1
3DNPC.esp=1
BSAssets.esm=1
BSHeartland.esm=1
BS_DLC_patch.esp=1
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm=1
OSA.esm=1
Vigilant.esm=1
Fertility Mode.esm=1
iWant Widgets.esl=1
Dwarfsphere.esp=1
UnlimitedBookshelves.esp=1
SkyUI_SE.esp=1
Gildergreen Regrown.esp=1
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp=1
QuestsAreInSkyrimUSSEP.esp=1
FNIS.esp=1
RealisticHuskySoundsSSE.esp=1
FasterArvak50%.esp=1
Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp=1
LazyHeels.esp=1
Predator Vision.esp=1
Predator Vision - Sense Dead.esp=1
TimingIsEverything.esp=1
bloodbond.esp=1
PositiveUndressedReactions.esp=1
OBS_TidyUp.esp=1
Magicka_Cost_Level_Scaling_90.esp=1
Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp=1
WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp=0
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp=1
AutoHideAmmo.esp=1
arvak_replace.esp=1
Crimson Blood Armor.esp=1
BlackSacramentDBReplacer.esp=1
DX Necromancer Robes.esp=1
KS Hairdo's.esp=1
DenassaG_MageRobes.esp=1
MeekoHuskyEssential.esp=1
3DNPC0.esp=1
3DNPC_Dragonborn.esp=1
PAN_Brelyna.esp=0
SIF_Bugfixes.esp=1
PAN_Shieldsisters.esp=0
PAN_BlackBriar.esp=0
PAN_LethalLadies.esp=0
PAN_NPCs_DB.esp=1
RealHighHeelsWithHeelsSound.esp=1
RaceMenu.esp=1
RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1
RaceMenuHH.esp=1
H2135HalloweenOutfit2020.esp=1
OCum.esp=1
Quest Markers Restored.esp=1
AetheriumSwordsnArmor.esp=1
SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp=1
OStim.esp=1
OSearch.esp=1
RSChildren Patch - BS Bruma.esp=1
RSChildren.esp=1
Dress Up Lovers.esp=1
OVirginity.esp=1
ERF - Futanari CBBE - Equippable.esp=1
SOS - ERF - Futanari CBBE - Addon.esp=1
proudspiremanortnf.esp=1
DBM_BSHeartlandPatch.esp=1
AnnaVlindrelHall.esp=1
AnnaHoneyside.esp=1
AnnaBreezehome.esp=1
Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp=1
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp=1
WACCF_Armor and Clothing Extension.esp=1
PAN_Frea.esp=0
CBBE.esp=1
Vigilant Voiced.esp=1
Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp=1
EastEmpirePendantsMarkers.esp=1
Run For Your Lives.esp=1
SeranaDialogAddon.esp=1
DBM_3DNPC_Patch.esp=1
LKVM Cellar and Exterior.esp=1
LKVM Main House.esp=1
Qw_BeyondSkyrimBruma_USSEP Hotfix Patch.esp=1
wavetest.esp=1
Qw_3DNPC_USSEP Patch.esp=1
SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp=1
CWRepairs.esp=1
Spartan Bard Outfit.esp=1
DX Druid Armor.esp=1
PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp=1
DX Dark Knight Armor.esp=1
DX Witcher Armor.esp=1
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1
Immersive Weapons.esp=1
Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp=1
PAN_NPCs.esp=1
The Ordinary Women.esp=1
Bijin NPCs.esp=1
Bijin Warmaidens.esp=1
FemaleWerewolfExtended.esp=1
Bijin Wives.esp=1
PAN_NPCs_Males.esp=1
PAN_Serana.esp=0
PAN_Valerica.esp=0
PAN_WarriorWomen.esp=0
Elisif Makeover.esp=1
DX Dark Knight Shield.esp=1
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp=1
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp=1
FranklyHDImperialArmorsAndWeapons.esp=1
AnnaHjerim.esp=1
LKVMII_LT01.esp=1
LKVM_LT01.esp=1
No Vampire Cure on Rumors.esp=1
PerkPointPotion.esp=1
UIExtensions.esp=1
AddItemMenuSE.esp=1
DX Staff of Necromancy.esp=1
DX Witcher Swords.esp=1
BSGlenroyAK.esp=1
SDA-AA Patch.esp=1
SDA- DX CBlood Patch.esp=1
SDA Wintersun Patch.esp=1
SdaOstimHotfix2.esp=1
XPMSE.esp=1
SOSRaceMenu.esp=1
FNISSexyMove.esp=1
TimingIsEverythingBrumaPatch.esp=1
Immersive Weapons_WACCF_Patch.esp=1
PAN_AIO_small.esp=1
AHO_Patch.esp=1
RSC_USSEP_AventusFix.esp=1
RSC 3DNPC Patch.esp=1
Qw_ISC_USSEP Patch.esp=1
Qw_WACCF_RSChildren Patch.esp=1
Qw_ACE_BSHeartland Patch.esp=1
Qw_3DNPC_TheOrdinaryWomen Patch.esp=1
Summermyst - WACCF Patch.esp=1
DBM_AetheriumWeapons_Patch.esp=1
DBM_Vigilant_Patch.esp=1
DBM_AHO_Patch.esp=1
DBM_RoyalArmory_Patch.esp=1
DBM_IW_Patch.esp=1
TheAmazingWorldOfBikiniArmor.esp=1
3DNPC Alternative Locations.esp=1
DBM_Wintersun_Patch.esp=1
LOTD Stuttering Begone.esp=1
DBM_SafehousePlus_Addon.esp=1
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp=1
DarkEnvoy.esp=1
LKVM_NOGrass.esp=1
Fertility Adventures.esp=1
Celes Mercy.esp=1
Sleep Spells.esp=1
Tongues.esp=1
OBS_ClosingTime.esp=1
BlackSacramentArmor.esp=1
buildingmaterialsgodchest.esp=1
OAhegao.esp=1
Solvistapp SE.esp=1
PAN_NPCs_DG.esp=1
12FemaleBrows.esp=1
Fertility Mode 3 Fixes and Updates.esp=1
Fertility Mode - RSChildren.esp=1
FM_OSTIM_Integration.esp=1
ORomance.esp=1
TakeNotes.esp=1
LegacyoftheDragonborn - NPC Overhaul.esp=1
DBM_IA_Patch.esp=1
DBM_ISC_Patch.esp=1
DBM_RSChildren_Patch.esp=1
DBM_WACCF_Patch.esp=1
DBM_UnlimitedBookshelves_Patch.esp=1
Qw_WACCF_ISC Patch.esp=1
skyforgedWeapons.esp=1
Gwelda Vampire.esp=1
[COCO] Pinup Cheongsam.esp=1
Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp=1
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp=1
Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp=1
Ordinator_WACCF_Patch.esp=1
Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp=1
Sacrosanct - Non-Starved Draining and Sneak Draining.esp=1
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp=1
CWR_IC_Patch.esp=1
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1
Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp=1
Serana Dialogue Edit.esp=1
RDO Updated.esp=1
SDA RDO Patch.esp=1
Castle Volkihar Rebuilt - SDE Patch.esp=1
Castle Volkihar Rebuilt - RDO Patch.esp=1
SDA_SDE Patch.esp=1
nwsFollowerFramework.esp=1
nwsFF_NoTeamMagicDamage.esp=1
SDA NFF Patch.esp=1
Palaces Castles Enhanced.esp=1
PCE - Marked Droppable Barenziah Stones.esp=1
PCE - No Custom Music patch.esp=1
PCE - Royal Armory Patch.esp=1
PCE - USSEP Patch.esp=1
DBM_PCE_Patch.esp=1
VampireNoFallDamage.esp=1
Dawnguard Map Markers.esp=1

Papyrus.0.log

***Psalam*** · April 28, 2021

A CTD in the same location is usually a bad mesh/texture added by a mod. You know what your load order does better than anyone. What have you got that would change Alvor, or blacksmithing or that area of Riverwood including things like changing the way dogs look (since Riverwood always has one wandering the streets).

Azzhat · April 29, 2021

5 hours ago, Psalam said:

A CTD in the same location is usually a bad mesh/texture added by a mod. You know what your load order does better than anyone. What have you got that would change Alvor, or blacksmithing or that area of Riverwood including things like changing the way dogs look (since Riverwood always has one wandering the streets).

Think the Amazing World of Bikini Armor could be the culprit? Only mod I have that affects the appearance of dogs is restricted to Meeko.

***Psalam*** · April 29, 2021

7 hours ago, Azzhat said:

Think the Amazing World of Bikini Armor could be the culprit? Only mod I have that affects the appearance of dogs is restricted to Meeko.

Anything that changes the appearance of anything that appears in that area. I just mentioned the dog to make certain that you considered some of the less obvious possibilities.

MonVert · April 29, 2021

7 hours ago, Azzhat said:

Amazing World of Bikini Armor

Depending on which version of the .esp you are using.. It can add a lot of cruft around Riverwood. However, do be aware that it's not just about what adds "new" things to Riverwood, but any possible mesh replacers for houses, rocks, etc. Look at what you are overwriting in your mod manager.

A Netscript crash log could help you ID this easier.

Grey Cloud · April 29, 2021

On 4/23/2021 at 5:26 PM, Sandatharius said:

NMM installs files into the Data folder. While Vortex adds some hard links, it uses a virtual mod folder.

Wrong. Vortex puts files into the Data folder as well as keeping a set of hardlinked copies.

20 hours ago, Azzhat said:

Update: Spoke too soon. Works for the most part, but crashes randomly. Still better than when I was using Vortex though.

Both NMM and Vortex both work fine. The problem is you.

*Scrab* · April 29, 2021

When playing through the Intro, by the time Dialogue starts youre running through a Triggerbox which spawns in 2 Deers and a Rabbit

Perhaps you got a mod that alters them?

Azzhat · April 29, 2021

3 hours ago, Scrab said:

When playing through the Intro, by the time Dialogue starts youre running through a Triggerbox which spawns in 2 Deers and a Rabbit

Perhaps you got a mod that alters them?

Not that I'm aware of.

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