Diary Of Mine for Paradise Halls [WIP]

[Kalysto]

"You... you forced me into ^becoming a lesbian.  You monster"

if she's become one, I figure that's because she started to like it

[Gukahn]

I Agree, the "You... you forced me into ^becoming a lesbian.  You monster" sentence is kinda. I don't play a female pc and will most likely never read it but it sounds weird.

Maybe something more of a "normal" Rape response would be more appropriate? "You forced yourself on me, disgusting pig!" or "You turned me into a fucktoy, i will never forgive you.".. I am not really good at this am I? xD

You don't become another sexuality, you either are gay or you a not ? or is there a psychological way to force turn someone into it?  Psychology i not really my expertise.. 

[cantgetright008]

a male slave just begged me "please don't make me do it with a dude". Pure gold peeps!

[pinky6225]

19 minutes ago, Gukahn said:

I Agree, the "You... you forced me into ^becoming a lesbian.  You monster" sentence is kinda. I don't play a female pc and will most likely never read it but it sounds weird.

Maybe something more of a "normal" Rape response would be more appropriate? "You forced yourself on me, disgusting pig!" or "You turned me into a fucktoy, i will never forgive you.".. I am not really good at this am I? xD

You don't become another sexuality, you either are gay or you a not ? or is there a psychological way to force turn someone into it?  Psychology i not really my expertise.. 

 

Don't think its intended as a sexuality change but more of a statement of what you've made them do, i.e. you've made a women have lesbian sex with another women, made a guy have gay sex with another guy etc

 

Whether its worse/better/equal to coerce someone into a sex act that doesnt match there sexuality compared to one that does though is prolly a debate for another thread (imagine it would get huge)

 

Anyways what is actually controlling thoses message as i've seen the "looks like it was XYZ's first lesbian experience" when i've triggered group sex with sexlab eager npc's so it doesn't seem its just PAH initiated sex that will cause those

Edited November 27, 2021 by pinky6225

[Kalysto]

Tbf we are nitpicking, DoM quotes are far more developed than PAHE or HSH and Aygas. It's a shame HSH development is stale, that thing is a piece of art.

[McLovin3]

Watching too much porn has clouded my opinions on this matter.

When you got thumbnails going "I got my straight blank to have lesbian sex with me" and like 80% of hentai where the average, innocent, and usually virgin, girls start enjoying all kinds of things (especially tentacles) after the 1st or 2nd fucks/rapes

 

edit: would be an interesting addition if DoM got Estrus support and possibly even mimic your average hentai tentacle scenarios

Edited November 27, 2021 by McLovin3

[TrollAutokill]

On 11/26/2021 at 11:58 AM, Antiope_Appolonia said:

So I have some preliminary notes since upgrading to 2.1.5.

• "You... you forced me into ^becoming a lesbian.  You monster" (Though being forced into a lesbian could be interesting in its own right...  I'm sure there's a kink for that!)
• "Your slave is ready to please you, mistress."  Nothing wrong here, I just wanted to call this one out for being hot!  I don't think I've encountered it more than once or twice, though, sadly, so maybe that's something wrong...
• "Thanks.  I am trying my best."—I would argue that "Thanks" is rather too cordial; a polite slave should always say "Thank you" if not "Thank you, mistress."  There are many examples along the same lines—"thanks" shows up in a lot of different dialogues.  It could be neat to build something around respect training, where poorly trained slaves address Mistress too familiarly, and they learn to be more polite as their training improves, but that's probably more complicated than would be worthwhile.  I'd think it'd better to just have them simply say "Thank you, Mistress."
• "Thanks.  You make me happy!"  A good slave knows it isn't about her happiness—it's all about Mistress's happiness.  Some alternative ideas: "I live to please you, Mistress."  "Your slave only desires to please you, Mistress."  "I just want to make Mistress proud."
• "Let me go,! yYou will never herehear from me again"
• "Please, don't touch me!  I^'ve never diddone it with another girl."  Maybe better still would be, "I don't like girls that way!"
• "Don't you dare touchingtouch me.  I'm strictly strait and proud of it!"  Also, the second part is kinda awkward.  How about something like, "We're both girls!  What are you thinking?!"  Or, "I don't like girls that way!" could fit here, too.  Although, honestly, I'm not sure the gender of her assailant would be a girl's most pressing concern in this situation.  Maybe something more generic would actually be best.
• "Euh... thanks."  Dunno what this "euh" is supposed to be—I guess just unenthusiastic?  My longest-serving, most loving slave always says this, and it's a bit unsettling.  
• Each individual slave always seems to use the same response to praise.  I get a variety of responses across many slaves, but each slave is locked into a single response.  
• Struggling is still overwriting ran_away reason.
• My "in love" slaves all seem to be hysterical all the time.  What's up with that?
• Being "in love" should probably apply a modifier to make slaves consent to sex much more readily.  Not necessarily guaranteed success, but relatively low chance of refusal.  
• "Body inspection" always says "[slave] gets in position like a good girl."  Should there be a praise reason for being good?  Are they supposed to resist sometimes?
  • I'm curious what others think, but this feature still feels really... "meh" to me.  I really like the idea of having it generate a report so that it would feel more interesting.  It could describe things like how wet/dry her pussy is, how perky her nipples are, etc.  Maybe it would also include virginity status.  Probably other people have some more good ideas here.

 

On 11/27/2021 at 4:45 PM, Kalysto said:

"You... you forced me into ^becoming a lesbian.  You monster"

if she's become one, I figure that's because she started to like it

 

On 11/27/2021 at 5:42 PM, Gukahn said:

I Agree, the "You... you forced me into ^becoming a lesbian.  You monster" sentence is kinda. I don't play a female pc and will most likely never read it but it sounds weird.

Maybe something more of a "normal" Rape response would be more appropriate? "You forced yourself on me, disgusting pig!" or "You turned me into a fucktoy, i will never forgive you.".. I am not really good at this am I? xD

You don't become another sexuality, you either are gay or you a not ? or is there a psychological way to force turn someone into it?  Psychology i not really my expertise.. 

 

On 11/27/2021 at 5:43 PM, cantgetright008 said:

a male slave just begged me "please don't make me do it with a dude". Pure gold peeps!

 

On 11/27/2021 at 9:28 PM, Kalysto said:

Tbf we are nitpicking, DoM quotes are far more developed than PAHE or HSH and Aygas. It's a shame HSH development is stale, that thing is a piece of art.

 

On 11/28/2021 at 12:05 AM, McLovin3 said:

Watching too much porn has clouded my opinions on this matter.

When you got thumbnails going "I got my straight blank to have lesbian sex with me" and like 80% of hentai where the average, innocent, and usually virgin, girls start enjoying all kinds of things (especially tentacles) after the 1st or 2nd fucks/rapes

 

edit: would be an interesting addition if DoM got Estrus support and possibly even mimic your average hentai tentacle scenarios

 

Thanks for the input Apolonia, I will change the dialogues, hopefully in the right direction.

 

As for the "You forced me into ^becoming a lesbian", that was a mistake from me, I would rather not make any strong assumption on NPCs sexual preferences. I prefer to let the player decide and leave room for imagination or other mods, for that matter.

 

So, I think I will rather  split this comment in 2 or 3 conditions,

 - "You forced yourself on me, disgusting bitch/pig!" for low anger training slaves

- "You made me do it with a girl/dude! I should..." as default

 - "You were my first time with a girl/dude" for higher submission slaves.

 

 

What do you think?

 

Edited November 29, 2021 by TrollAutokill

[TrollAutokill]

On 11/26/2021 at 11:58 AM, Antiope_Appolonia said:

So I have some preliminary notes since upgrading to 2.1.5.

• "You... you forced me into ^becoming a lesbian.  You monster" (Though being forced into a lesbian could be interesting in its own right...  I'm sure there's a kink for that!)

You would be surprised! I personally believe there is a kink for everything and I would rather not know the details for most of them. ?

Edited November 29, 2021 by TrollAutokill

[TrollAutokill]

On 11/26/2021 at 11:58 AM, Antiope_Appolonia said:

• "Euh... thanks."  Dunno what this "euh" is supposed to be—I guess just unenthusiastic?  My longest-serving, most loving slave always says this, and it's a bit unsettling.  

That's supposed to be only for shocked slaves. Changed to "Thank... you..."

On 11/26/2021 at 11:58 AM, Antiope_Appolonia said:

• Each individual slave always seems to use the same response to praise.  I get a variety of responses across many slaves, but each slave is locked into a single response.

Yes, answers mostly depends on the mood right now. You can suggest more different ones, I will split them depending on mood, training stats and personality.

 

On 11/26/2021 at 11:58 AM, Antiope_Appolonia said:

• Struggling is still overwriting ran_away reason.

Yep, it was.

On 11/26/2021 at 11:58 AM, Antiope_Appolonia said:

• My "in love" slaves all seem to be hysterical all the time.  What's up with that?

Define hysterical.

On 11/26/2021 at 11:58 AM, Antiope_Appolonia said:

• Being "in love" should probably apply a modifier to make slaves consent to sex much more readily.  Not necessarily guaranteed success, but relatively low chance of refusal.  

Well that's on PAHE side and it's based on submission only. We might need a special DoM dialogue for that.

On 11/26/2021 at 11:58 AM, Antiope_Appolonia said:

• "Body inspection" always says "[slave] gets in position like a good girl."  Should there be a praise reason for being good?  Are they supposed to resist sometimes?
  • I'm curious what others think, but this feature still feels really... "meh" to me.  I really like the idea of having it generate a report so that it would feel more interesting.  It could describe things like how wet/dry her pussy is, how perky her nipples are, etc.  Maybe it would also include virginity status.  Probably other people have some more good ideas here.

Low humiliation/resignation slaves will say no and then they move away so you only get to slap them on the ass. Maybe it's not often enough.

 

Plan is to force slaves into arousal (not yet implemented) but your ideas are interesting, I will try to do something along those lines.

[TrollAutokill]

2.1.6 is out with some of the above mentioned modifications and arousal system when inspecting slave intimate parts.

[Kalysto]

Will update right away. Note sure about the term "dude" matches the Skyrim universe tho

[ChingChongWong]

Is there a way to save the NPC stats when deleting the DOM_Script? from a save file. I deleted it to fix Thugs System but it causes all the NPCS to lose their progress, they all go back to being in scared mood and I have to redo them but their training stats are all still the same.

[CaptainTim]

First, Awesome work on this! Just stellar. I remember installing it a few months ago and thinking, "Ah, it's ok, buggy though. Adds a little bit more to PAHE so I'll keep it around" But you just keep working on it tirelessly and it's damn near perfect now! Bravo! Now I wouldn't dare use PAHE without it.

 

You have my gratitude. Please don't take the following suggestions in any way negative.

 

1. In the MCM, maybe consider prefixing DOM with PAH like HSH and AYGAS? Would make everything order up nicely.
2. Slaves should have slave enemies. If slaves don't like to see their slave friends hurt it'd be great to see them react positively when their enemies get punished.
3. Force two (or three) slaves to be intimate. Could be used as punishment if the above is implemented. 

I'd love to break out the CK and help. Been working mainly on learning how to make Armor but I think if there's anything I could help with in the code my time would better be spent there.

[TrollAutokill]

4 hours ago, donglin216 said:

Is there a way to save the NPC stats when deleting the DOM_Script? from a save file. I deleted it to fix Thugs System but it causes all the NPCS to lose their progress, they all go back to being in scared mood and I have to redo them but their training stats are all still the same.

NPC stats are saved in factions. Slave stats are also saved in the pahslave script. There is no such script as DOM_script.

 

Which scripts have you been deleting exactly? If all of dom and pah, then it might explain the problem. Non pah slave NPC should keep their stats unless you deleted the factions from the save, which you should not!

 

You could try to only delete dom_core from the save. Another way around is to tie your slaves and free them before editing the save. Or move them to hsh but it might take longer. Any of those last two solutions will save the slave stats to factions.

 

 

Edited November 29, 2021 by TrollAutokill

[pinky6225]

6 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

On 11/26/2021 at 10:58 AM, Antiope_Appolonia said:

• My "in love" slaves all seem to be hysterical all the time.  What's up with that?

Define hysterical.

 

Believe they mean this part in the "enjoying your new life slave..." dialogue, this one has been in love for quite a while but still shows as hysterical

While i don't know exactly how much "skyrim time" it has taken i've been to all 3 of my player constructed homes and re-trained all slaves to be 100 in everything and in love, been to all my HSH cells and done the same and somehow trained her up to about 500 combat skill but is still hysterical on that dialogue option

[Antiope_Apollonia]

8 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

Thanks for the input Apolonia, I will change the dialogues, hopefully in the right direction.

Always happy to help any way I can.

 

8 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

As for the "You forced me into ^becoming a lesbian", that was a mistake from me, I would rather not make any strong assumption on NPCs sexual preferences. I prefer to let the player decide and leave room for imagination or other mods, for that matter.

I think colloquial English usage allows two senses of "lesbian"—one regarding sexual preference, and one regarding sexual roles.  (If you know any Spanish, consider "Soy una lesbiana," vs. "Estoy una lesbiana."  I don't actually know if native Spanish speakers would naturally use the latter construction—it's only my third language—but it's certainly parsable, and I find "ser"/"estar" is often a useful framing tool.)  It doesn't ring wrong to me to say, "You forced me to be a lesbian," to refer to being forced to engage in female-on-female sex, even if the female in question retains a preference for men.  Especially given that female sexuality is much less starkly bimodal than male sexuality.  But I can understand if you'd rather just stay away from all that.  

 

8 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

So, I think I will rather  split this comment in 2 or 3 conditions,

 - "You forced yourself on me, disgusting bitch/pig!" for low anger training slaves

- "You made me do it with a girl/dude! I should..." as default

 - "You were my first time with a girl/dude" for higher submission slaves.

I would suggest adding a bit to make it feel more emotive rather than just a statement of fact:

• How dare you force yourself on me, you disgusting bitch/pig!
• I can't believe you made me do it with a girl/dude!
• (I'm less confident in anything I've come up with for this one, but maybe...) I'm so glad that you were my first time with a girl/dude, Mistress/Master.

6 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

That's supposed to be only for shocked slaves. Changed to "Thank... you..."

That sounds better.

 

6 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

Yes, answers mostly depends on the mood right now. You can suggest more different ones, I will split them depending on mood, training stats and personality.

It doesn't seem to be working correctly in 2.1.5, then.  Each slave seems to pick one response and stick with it forever, regardless of training or mood.  e.g., I have a nearly maxed training, in love slave who has only ever used the "Euh... thanks" response, another slave who has only ever used the "Thanks, you make me happy" response, etc.  

 

6 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

Define hysterical.

Spoiler

 

6 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

Well that's on PAHE side and it's based on submission only. We might need a special DoM dialogue for that.

Well, I'd still love to see a rework of how sex is initiated generally, but that'd probably require coordination between you and @CliftonJD to be possible.  My dream would be to have three—well, I guess four—paths to sex:

• Punishment sex.  Uses aggressive animations.  Will rape if they don't submit.  This is basically as-is now.  
• Sexual service for Mistress.  Neither punishment nor reward.  Slaves can refuse, generating a punishment reason.  Since you have your own arousal system and can control this, you can make this great by disallowing slaves from cuming, leaving them at max arousal after.  This should probably be worth the largest amount of sex training progress.
• Sexual reward/play for slave.  Requires praise reasons.  Slaves can refuse, but are less likely to do so.  Slave always gets to cum.  This should probably generate less sex training, but still a decent bit, and additionally generate some submission training.  
• I would make the current Comfort sex work the same way as reward sex described above.  

7 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

Low humiliation/resignation slaves will say no and then they move away so you only get to slap them on the ass. Maybe it's not often enough.

I've probably never tried body inspection on a slave before she reaches 60 resignation—I almost never do anything before their will to flee has been broken.  I'll say more about this in a separate post, though, as I don't want it to get lost in the wall-o'-text.  

[TrollAutokill]

31 minutes ago, pinky6225 said:

 

Believe they mean this part in the "enjoying your new life slave..." dialogue, this one has been in love for quite a while but still shows as hysterical

 

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While i don't know exactly how much "skyrim time" it has taken i've been to all 3 of my player constructed homes and re-trained all slaves to be 100 in everything and in love, been to all my HSH cells and done the same and somehow trained her up to about 500 combat skill but is still hysterical on that dialogue option

They get hysterical because they have a high chance of getting in shock. But since they are in love they manage not to. That's how things are now. Later there will be more moods for in love slaves to evolve and they might feel different. We discussed a sad or depressed mood for fully trained slaves. Other suggestions bare welcome.

Edited November 29, 2021 by TrollAutokill

[Antiope_Apollonia]

So I'd be really curious to hear whether other users/contributors like @pinky6225 and @InsanityFactor have similar experiences, but I have consistently found that Humiliation training is by far the slowest skill to progress (aside from cases where you're intentionally avoiding sex or combat with a given slave), and moreover, that none of the training options are really very attractive in terms of gameplay.  The current implementation of the body inspection, which I understand to be the main vehicle for humiliation training, just isn't very interesting, and I can't see any reason why I'd really ever use it other than because the game mechanics tell me I have to.  But I think it has the potential to become really cool, and I'm interested if other people agree with this idea:

• Instead of playing one animation based on humiliation training, play all of the animations in sequence from least to most invasive, with a progressively scaling chance for the slave to cooperate or resist for each animation.  Each stage of cooperation ticks training, and if they cooperate for the whole sequence, it generates a praise reason, but resistance terminates the sequence and generates a punishment reason.  
  • I'm not really sure if I've seen all the animations, but something along the lines of: 1) The one where Mistress cups the slave's breast from the side; 2) The one where Mistress stands to the slave's side and reaches between her legs; 3) The one where mistress reaches between the slave's legs from behind, I think?; 4) The one where the slave's legs are fully spread, and Mistress squats in front and rummages about.  (Did I miss any?)
  • If the slave resists at any stage, it could play the "walk away and get slapped on the bum" animation that I've heard about and never seen.
• At the end of the animation sequence, a report is generated (in the form of a pop-up), but if the sequence terminated prematurely due to resistance, parts of the report will be incomplete.  This report could include:
  • How wet/dry the slave's pussy is, how perky the slave's nipples are, etc.; possibly the actual numeric value of the slave's arousal according to DoM's internal arousal system.
  • I don't know if there's any way to pull data from racemenu or anything to comment on breast size and the like, but that could be fun if so.  
  • Virginity status.
  • Maybe some comment that sort of paraphrases the SexLab Diary stats about how well-used each orifice is?  Dunno exactly, but I think there could be something in this.
  • Other ideas?
• The more sensual the slave, the more body inspection increases arousal, and the more frigid the slave, the more it decreases arousal.  
  • Bonus points if other slaves can gain arousal for witnessing the inspection.  
• Note: Currently, you sometimes get badly misaligned animations; I think this has to do with being in a prior animation when you start the body inspection.  Perhaps this can be fixed by having a clear "stop all animations" step before initialising the body inspection animation?

[Antiope_Apollonia]

16 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

They get hysterical because they have a high chance of getting in shock. But since they are in love they manage not to. That's how things are now. Later there will be more moods for in love slaves to evolve and they might feel different.

It seems like they should mostly be "I'm okay", which is how it used to be.  I'm not sure if it was 2.1.5 or maybe 2.1.2, but the perma-hysterical state is relatively new.  

 

I'd really like to see in-love slaves sometimes be sad (or "melancholy" if you want to distinguish it from the other notion of "sad" as we previously discussed) so that you can still comfort them, and it'd also be cool if they had a chance to be spontaneously horny without having to make them touch themselves.  I don't know how long a "tick" is or whatever to have any idea what reasonable values for X or Y would be, but something like:

• Y + (Sensuality / X) chance of becoming horny
• Y + ((101 - Calm) / X) chance of becoming sad/melancholy

Another idea might be for the slave to have a progressively scaling chance of becoming "lonely" as time elapses without you doing anything with her—praise, scold, punish, sex, etc.

 

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A couple more miscellaneous observations while I'm looking at my notes:

• Slaves often make comments when you enter a sex scene, which you then cannot read because subtitles are disabled during SexLab animations.  Maybe these comments should play after the scene instead?
• "I'm so happy you initiated me to lesbian sex, Mistress!"  This is awkward.  Maybe something like, "I'm so happy you showed me the pleasure of a woman's touch, Mistress!"

Edited November 29, 2021 by Antiope_Appolonia

[pinky6225]

32 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

They get hysterical because they have a high chance of getting in shock. But since they are in love they manage not to. That's how things are now. Later there will be more moods for in love slaves to evolve and they might feel different. We discussed a sad or depressed mood for fully trained slaves. Other suggestions bare welcome.

 

It will depend what use your putting them to i suppose, there origin and then there personality type but with Aegilief (random PH generated name) from my screenshot they are a vampire thats getting to slaughter there way across skyrim through bandit hordes so for a blood sucking vampire i'd think that comes pretty close to there definition of heaven (RPing that the dragonborn is letting them drink their fill between slaughters) as its all the feeding they could want with none of the danger (since who really decides to pick a fight with a companion of someone that killed alduin) so happy/content/fulfilled/excited would all seem appropriate for that scenario

 

31 minutes ago, Antiope_Appolonia said:

So I'd be really curious to hear whether other users/contributors like @pinky6225 and @InsanityFactor have similar experiences, but I have consistently found that Humiliation training is by far the slowest skill to progress (aside from cases where you're intentionally avoiding sex or combat with a given slave), and moreover, that none of the training options are really very attractive in terms of gameplay.  The current implementation of the body inspection, which I understand to be the main vehicle for humiliation training, just isn't very interesting, and I can't see any reason why I'd really ever use it other than because the game mechanics tell me I have to.  But I think it has the potential to become really cool, and I'm interested if other people agree with this idea:

 

Humiliation i've found quite easy to train by giving them low quality clothing and then making them strip a lot, same with Zaz items like collars, blindfolds etc

 

For me its always resignation that takes awhile to train

 

Edited November 29, 2021 by pinky6225

[Antiope_Apollonia]

28 minutes ago, pinky6225 said:

Humiliation i've found quite easy to train by giving them low quality clothing and then making them strip a lot, same with Zaz items like collars, blindfolds etc

In my world, slaves aren't allowed clothes ever, so that doesn't really work for me.  It seems silly that being always naked is worse for humiliation training than being sometimes naked, but that's a whole other discussion. 

 

So does this mean you completely ignore the "body inspection" feature?  Would you find it more attractive if it were more like what I described?  

[pinky6225]

3 minutes ago, Antiope_Appolonia said:

In my world, slaves aren't allowed clothes ever, so that doesn't really work for me.  It seems silly that being always naked is worse for humiliation training than being sometimes naked, but that's a whole other discussion. 

 

So does this mean you completely ignore the "body inspection" feature?  Would you find it more attractive if it were more like what I described?  

 

Always naked i imagine you'd get use to and its not really a choice if you have no clothes anyway, naked on demand/whim of another i'd think would still have an effect (but yes that could be a long discussion)

 

I use it occasionally but it doesn't really have a purpose other than getting slaves into the pose that i've noticed

 

What your talking about sounds a lot like the apropos wear and tear system but that only works for uniques and the vast majority of my slaves come from hostile NPC's which are not considered unique so linking inspection to wear and tear wouldnt really work i'd think

[Antiope_Apollonia]

12 minutes ago, pinky6225 said:

Always naked i imagine you'd get use to

Exactly the point of training, no?  If the slave has gotten used to being naked all the time, then she's been trained successfully, I'd say.  

  

8 minutes ago, pinky6225 said:

What your talking about sounds a lot like the apropos wear and tear system but that only works for uniques and the vast majority of my slaves come from hostile NPC's which are not considered unique so linking inspection to wear and tear wouldnt really work i'd think

I don't know what "the apropos wear and tear system" is, but I'm pretty sure I'm not talking about that.  Everything I described would use mechanics already internal to DoM except for pulling from the SexLab diary, but that can't be what you're referring to, because that isn't limited to unique NPCs—random bandit slaves build SexLab diaries:

Spoiler

But more than any particular item that is or isn't included in the report, I'm just trying to figure out a version of the "body inspection" feature that would be more interesting to play with.  

[InsanityFactor]

3 hours ago, Antiope_Appolonia said:

But more than any particular item that is or isn't included in the report, I'm just trying to figure out a version of the "body inspection" feature that would be more interesting to play with.  

Yes I believe some kind of rework for that is somewhere in the to-do list. Troll has mentioned it before at least, he's aware of it.

 

But yeah like Pinky said stripping works really well for me too but if you choose to not utilize that feature then I suppose you just have to wait for a rebuild of body inspection. It's supposed to become more useful/informative, so something like you described in your initial post might be the direction it's headed. Gonna have to wait for Troll to comment on all that, though, I can't speak for him.

Edited November 30, 2021 by InsanityFactor

[Antiope_Apollonia]

29 minutes ago, InsanityFactor said:

But yeah like Pinky said stripping works really well for me too but if you choose to not utilize that feature then I suppose you just have to wait for a rebuild of body inspection.

I would certainly look forward to body inspection becoming a more interesting gameplay feature, but regardless, I still staunchly maintain that nudity should be a better option for humiliation training than it currently is, too. 

 

The seemingly obvious solution that only just occurred to me would simply be to make slaves more likely to cover themselves, and to scale that chance down more slowly so that they retain a non-zero chance of covering themselves to a much higher level of training.  Right now, many slaves virtually never cover themselves, and very few if any do it enough to be an appreciable source of training.  If prolonged nudity generated punishment reasons, then it could be tuned to let humiliation training progress naturally.  

  

19 minutes ago, InsanityFactor said:

It's supposed to become more useful/informative, so something like you described in your initial post might be the direction it's headed.

Yeah, when I first commented on the paradoxical relationship between nudity and humiliation training, Troll responded that body inspection was intended to be the main tool for humiliation training rather than stripping.  Right now, it seems like most of you ignore the feature, and I use it only because the game coerces me to, so it seems like it's not just me who finds the feature to be uninspiring in its current form.  So what do you think of the idea I laid out?  Does that sound like something that would be more attractive to use in your gameplay?  Do you have any ideas to improve my suggestion?