CTD In Falkreath... again

[gabble]

So I've had this problem before and managed to fix it with the help of folks here on the site, and did update the topic saying I fixed it. Apparently not foreseeing this problem rising again, I didn't actually mention how exactly I fixed it. All I said was "I changed my load order". So now I'm stuck in this same problem again and can't remember for the life of me how I fixed it. 

Here's the load order for reference.

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GameMode=Skyrim

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Update.esm=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp=1
ImCh.esm=1
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daymoyl.esm=1
BS_DLC_patch.esp=1
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SexLab.esm=1
SexLabAroused.esm=1
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm=1
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CreatureFramework.esm=1
BadDogSchlongCore.esm=1
Cutting Room Floor.esp=1
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Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp=1
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UIExtensions.esp=1
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Differently Ebony.esp=1
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Purewaters.esp=1
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp=1
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Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp=1
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Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp=1
Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp=1
The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp=1
99.esp=0
AchieveThat.esp=1
LessLockpicks.esp=0
SafeAutoSave.esp=1
DisableRangedKillCams1.6.esp=1
ImCh - USLEEP patch.esp=0
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REP_Tattoos.esp=1
SFO_SkinFeatureOverlays.esp=1
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp=1
FNISSexyMove.esp=1
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SexLab_Solutions.esp=1
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp=1
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Fort restoration.esp=1
PWwaterfall.esp=1
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Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp=1
ELFX Fixes.esp=1
Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp=1
Beasts of Tamriel.esp=1
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Immersive Potions.esp=1
RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp=0
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Solitude Reborn.esp=1
Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp=1
ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp=1
Dungeons Revisited Series.esp=1
SDO Full-LOD - The Morthal Swamp Light.esp=1
RiftenThiefEdition.esp=1
OpulentThievesGuild.esp=1
EtR MBC Camp Patch (explore).esp=1
OBIS.esp=1
Legendary Skyrim Crossbows.esp=1
QaxeWinterholdRebuild.esp=1
ETaC - Complete QWR Patch.esp=1
SexLab Confabulation.esp=1
Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp=1
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Thunderchild - Dragon Language Words Patch.esp=0
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followingmercer.esp=1
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hothtrooper44_ArmorPatch.esp=1
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WarmongerArmory_LeveledList.esp=1
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ZIA_Complete Pack.esp=1
Civil War Repairs.esp=1
Thieves Guild Requirements.esp=1
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TheChoiceIsYours.esp=1
FortDawnguardEnhanced.esp=1
SDO Full-LOD - Waterfall Effects.esp=1
Further Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp=1
SMIM-Merged-All.esp=1
Run For Your Lives.esp=1
Cloaks.esp=1
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MoreNastyCritters.esp=1
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DeadlyDragons.esp=1
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ISCompendium Enhanced Blood Patch.esp=0
ISC WAFR Patch.esp=0
Zim's Improved Dremora.esp=1
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ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp=1
konahrik_accoutrements.esp=1
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DawnguardArsenal.esp=1
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Ars Metallica - Legendary Edition.esp=1
Triumvirate - Mage Archetypes.esp=1
WorldEaterBeater.esp=1
BikiniMaidenFull.esp=1
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More to Say.esp=1
The Pit.esp=1
ETaC - Whiterun Ext ELFX Patch.esp=1
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OBIS DG Faction Patch.esp=0
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Schlongs of Skyrim.esp=1
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PCE - Live Another Life Patch.esp=1
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp=1
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CWICRFPatch.esp=0
CWIOrdinatorPatch.esp=0
Bashed Patch, 0.esp=1
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp=1
CWIELnFXPatch.esp=0
CWIOOPatchAIO.esp=0
 

 

Hope one of y'all here can help me out with this. Fixed it once, we can fix it again.

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

ctd in falkreath, more info please. Fast travel? Sometimes ctds? at the gates? you can make it inside inn sometimes and then you come out,and BAM!? Curious, as it's easier for me, to navigate possible solutions if your a MO user, what mod manager? Do you have crash fixes and enb boost installed?

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

10 hours ago, gabble said:

QaxeWinterholdRebuild.esp=1
ETaC - Complete QWR Patch.esp=1

not entirely compatible, no problem in falkreath, in Winterhold behind either Inn or house prior to Inn has bad land tear? Overhaul ETAC touches a lot of vanilla exterior nav mesh and should be moved down in LO, more bandit camps should be loaded before ETAC. If you use MO and or just know what your with your Mod Manager, move ETAC down real low. Above any patches and Alt Start, below everything else. I have 257 plugins(esp/esm) Etac in my load order is at 239, pretty low in load order. 

 

 

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

10 hours ago, gabble said:

LegacyoftheDragonborn.esp=1

last info was to have loaded before etac, near bottom

[gabble]

14 hours ago, Heroine of the Night said:

ctd in falkreath, more info please. Fast travel? Sometimes ctds? at the gates? you can make it inside inn sometimes and then you come out,and BAM!? Curious, as it's easier for me, to navigate possible solutions if your a MO user, what mod manager? Do you have crash fixes and enb boost installed?

Anywhere near exterior Falkreath, be it in the city proper or on the road to it. The border is about maybe twenty yards from the gates. I can get in and out of the Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary no problem but if I walk over the hill, CTD. 

 

As for mod manager, like I said last time I use the community NMM still because Vortex has an awful UI.

 

So I'm gonna try what you said and load ETaC down near the bottom and move Legacy just above it. We'll see how that goes.

[gabble]

So that didn't work.

[Sladen2019]

It might just be a corrupt spawn point causing the crash. You can try waiting for 72 hours in an interior location somewhere and then try Falkreath again.

[gabble]

10 hours ago, Sladen2019 said:

It might just be a corrupt spawn point causing the crash. You can try waiting for 72 hours in an interior location somewhere and then try Falkreath again.

 

Just tried it and that's not the case. Waited 72 hours, coc'd to Falkreath, instant CTD.

[Psalam]

Your description sounds like the very definition of a bad mesh/texture added by a mod. What do you have that changes the looks of Falkreath (a Guard overhaul for instance) that wouldn't necessarily impact other towns? Bearing in mind that the MOD might affect other areas as well although the mesh/texture is probably unique to Falkreath.

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

what about back gate? curious. 

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

10 minutes ago, Psalam said:

Your description sounds like the very definition of a bad mesh/texture added by a mod. What do you have that changes the looks of Falkreath (a Guard overhaul for instance) that wouldn't necessarily impact other towns? Bearing in mind that the MOD might affect other areas as well although the mesh/texture is probably unique to Falkreath.

i was just thinking about the horses/stable in front of Falkreath

[Psalam]

5 minutes ago, Heroine of the Night said:

i was just thinking about the horses/stable in front of Falkreath

If the OP has a mod that adds a stable just outside of Falkreath that sort of thing would be just the type of mod I would consider a likely culprit. There is, as you know, no stable outside Falkreath in the vanilla game.

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

just for fun, since your a NMM user, you could test in game with your texture folder in data renamed(ztextures) this would make everything purple in game but if its a bad texture game wouldnt find it and wouldnt crash. Probably do the same for meshes? You can always rename them back. you would go to data/textures and rename it temporarily there. 

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

3 minutes ago, Psalam said:

as you know,

Well,actually.Had no idea.......Used ETAC since day 1,or close to it. 

[Psalam]

1 minute ago, Heroine of the Night said:

Well,actually.Had no idea.......Used ETAC since day 1,or close to it. 

Still ... hopefully you've given the OP something to think about.

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

27 minutes ago, Psalam said:

Still ... hopefully you've given the OP something to think about.

ETAC definitely puts a stable, and I think horses, in front of falkreath, none at back gate. 

 

 

That and renaming texture/meshes folder in data, to me that should rule out meshes and textures as problem or help identify meshes or textures and which ones. Sometimes i wish that I had used NMM,at least for a small time. 

[Psalam]

3 minutes ago, Heroine of the Night said:

ETAC definitely puts a stable, and I think horses, in front of falkreath, none at back gate. 

 

 

That and renaming texture/meshes folder in data, to me that should rule out meshes and textures as problem or help identify meshes or textures and which ones. Sometimes i wish that I had used NMM,at least for a small time. 

I still use NMM. It is as close to not using a mod manager as possible while still using one. That means, for both good and ill, whatever issues I have are caused by me and not by my mod manager (or my not knowing everything there is to know about my mod manager which amounts to the same thing).

[gabble]

Okay, wow, I need to check in on this more frequently. 

I'll try out the renaming textures thing, though I don't know. There is a mod that replaces guard armors that... might do it? But I can see and wear their armor outside of Falkreath no problem. And as for the stable for ETaC, I've used ETaC for a while without a problem and I have no clue if it's dropped that stable on top of something another mod puts there.

[gabble]

Alright, just tried that. No dice. Despite all of the purple, it still crashed near immediately when I tried "coc falkreathexterior01".

[woodsman30]

Patches and more patches ....patches will always lead to an unstable game ...the constant over-writing of mods via mods to try and make them compatible will lead to game bloat, slow loading, and CTD. Look at your load order it is a recipe for game issues. Make a plan on how you want the game to look mod accordant to that without over-writing mods it will save you a shit load of headaches. 

[Grey Cloud]

17 minutes ago, woodsman30 said:

Patches and more patches ....patches will always lead to an unstable game ...the constant over-writing of mods via mods to try and make them compatible will lead to game bloat, slow loading, and CTD. Look at your load order it is a recipe for game issues. Make a plan on how you want the game to look mod accordant to that without over-writing mods it will save you a shit load of headaches. 

Amen to that, brother.

 

There's approximately 50 patches in there. So out of a possible max 255 plug-ins one fifth would be patches. ?

 

Also somewhat ironic that Falkreath appears to be one of the few settlements which doesn't have two different mods overhauls working on it.

 

On 12/16/2020 at 5:49 PM, Heroine of the Night said:

That and renaming texture/meshes folder in data,

Surely if you take out the meshes folder nothing would show up in game? Assuming it loaded at all.

 

Question for @gabble when did this start happening? In other words, did it previously work okay?

[Tlam99]

Did you install eg a clothing mod or any mod which gives you an extra horse ?

I could think of this stable mod.

If you fast travel to Falkreath your horse moves to this stable.

Would be the first for me to deactivate.

Before I install a mod I check it for stuff like extra chest, cave, horse etc. changes in worldspace.

This I kick out in xedit. I don't need a chest with the first set of armor. I get it with additemmenu.

This is due to the bad experience I made with stuff in a mod changing worldspace.

[Grey Cloud]

59 minutes ago, T-lam said:

Did you install eg a clothing mod or any mod which gives you an extra horse ?

I could think of this stable mod.

If you fast travel to Falkreath your horse moves to this stable.

What horse? What stable? Have they been installed recently or have they been there all along? If the latter then why are they only now causing a problem?

If there was a horse being ridden it would fast travel to every location with the rider. Why then would Falkreath be the only problem area?

[Tlam99]

Oh, a post below mine from my special friend.

Sorry I cannot and will not read it as you are set on ignore.

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, T-lam said:

Oh, a post below mine from my special friend.

Sorry I cannot and will not read it as you are set on ignore.

Colour me impressed by your mature and well thought response to my points.