Switching from Vortex to MO2... A short rant.

[RitualClarity]

13 minutes ago, KoolHndLuke said:

I need a mod manager manager cause they all do shit I don't like. For the record, when/if I reinstall SSE I will use MO2 because I didn't like Vortex. I don't really like MMs at all, but I understand some of the advantages. I'm really OCD and like doing things manually since I edit and change things all the time and using a MM is just an extra step in a game that runs almost perfectly and you never have to worry about reinstalling anything.

If manually and OCD is what you want in a manager.. I strongly suggest that you carry on and use MO2. There are tricks that can be done (and I can cover) that will let you pretty much manually install your mods. At least to a very satisfying level for someone OCD.  You can hide a file in a mod that is in conflict so that you can maintain the organization you desire. Instead of having to move the mod up or down the left side (mod install side)  you can create folders (properly setup of course) and drop them in the Mods folder .. "manual installing" a mod except placing it in the data folder and clicking overwrite.. you are placing it in the Mods folder and then handling the conflicts.  Best of all.. if you decide it isn't right.. just un-select it. As opposed to manually chasing down all the files and if it is a replacer.. replacing the file it overwrote (if loose of course)  You can setup MO how you want pretty easily as most of the folders are pretty easy to access and work. IMO better and easier than Vortex if Vortex has such options.

 

I have manually edited and altered files directly inside of MO2 for my liking. Created patches by extracting a specific file and placing it in a folder and placing it at the bottom of the left side. Hide files so that I have a more clean organized left side in the way I want (grouped mods) instead of falling victim  to having to move a mod up or down to fix conflicts It is the most closest mod manager that gives the feel of manual installing for those that have the skill and desire that I have found. Also, can just "work" for basic users as well with a mild learning curve related to dealing with the virtual file system. (I.E.. basically just running everything through MO for it to show up) 

[Gambit]

Seriously Vortex sucks. I'm really and sincerely sorry to say that because dev should have spent a lot of time in this software, but it sucks :

- It's a pain in the @ss to organise a lot of mods. The relation of dependancies is a false good idea sadly.

- Using Vortex for Sims4 will break most of mods.

- Not as slow as NMM but still slow.

 

MO2 could require some time to "master" it, but when you understand how it works, you could do great thinks with.

 

[Rokabur]

I MUCH prefer MO2 over anything else. The virtual file system keeps all mods separate so you don't have to worry about files being over-written. And MO2 also lets you easily change the "install order" of mods. Last mod manager I remember using was OBMM and you HAD to install mods in a specific order (and it didn't virtualize so everything clogged up the games Data folder AND files were overwritten). 

[stingray1995]

On 10/24/2020 at 5:53 AM, Grey Cloud said:

It wont be MO or MO2.

Give me NMM or give me death!

 

Funeral's Thursday. ☹️ No flowers by request.

Everybody knows this guy is the legit herpes of LL.  Whenever there's an itch in the genital province while browsing the forums, this was your culprit.  We were giving him grief about NMM circa 2019 when I joined the site, and he still hasn't figured it out yet; words like insipid and intransigent are appropriate.  

 

 

Now we all know, also:  don't give him NMM.

[judge007]

Over the years I've used several different mod managers.

OBMM

FOMM

FOMM Fork

NMM {quickly disposed of}

Wrye Bash

MO legacy

MO2

Vortex

Manual management {did this to avoid using NMM}

 

Since this thread is about Vortex vs. MO2, I'll discuss why I gave up on Vortex.

 

Vortex worked.

It has all the important features, and works.

Why did I give up?

It looks like Star Trek TNG's LCARS displays.

It makes you switch views to work on anything.

 

That's it. I can see everything I need to see in a glance.

If MO2 and Legacy were to mysteriously disappear, what would I use?

 

I'd copy a pristine image of the game's installation folder, then

either mod Manually or with Wrye Bash.

 

$0.02

[RitualClarity]

14 hours ago, judge007 said:

Over the years I've used several different mod managers.

OBMM

FOMM

FOMM Fork

NMM {quickly disposed of}

Wrye Bash

MO legacy

MO2

Vortex

Manual management {did this to avoid using NMM}

 

Since this thread is about Vortex vs. MO2, I'll discuss why I gave up on Vortex.

 

Vortex worked.

It has all the important features, and works.

Why did I give up?

It looks like Star Trek TNG's LCARS displays.

It makes you switch views to work on anything.

 

That's it. I can see everything I need to see in a glance.

If MO2 and Legacy were to mysteriously disappear, what would I use?

 

I'd copy a pristine image of the game's installation folder, then

either mod Manually or with Wrye Bash.

 

$0.02

Unfortunately, most people don't know how to properly manually install mods, even simple mods.  that combined with the issue presented for support once an author learns you manually installed a mod .... means little to no support under current processes.

[judge007]

6 minutes ago, RitualClarity said:

Unfortunately, most people don't know how to properly manually install mods, even simple mods.  that combined with the issue presented for support once an author learns you manually installed a mod .... means little to no support under current processes.

Manual was to avoid NMM, lol

[RitualClarity]

22 minutes ago, judge007 said:

Manual was to avoid NMM, lol

I agree with that decision. I did the same with Fallout 4 when it was first released. My comment was in general ... However, most that can properly handle manual install don't usually need support with any installation  issues.

 

By SCR Resources tutorial is essentially a mini tutorial for people to Manually install a mod.. lol. except at the end I tell them to zip it up and use their manager. Same with The SMMP mod that I created containing many of the mods into one compilation. Essentially a manual install. much like you or I would do during a manual install setup..

 

I use MO because of that fact. The files are separate and I can then have a more easier time to manage any files that conflict at a later time instead of going through the process again. each their own file.

[Grey Cloud]

2 hours ago, RitualClarity said:

However, most that can properly handle manual install don't usually need support with any installation  issues

This is true for the mods but as far as users go it is a lot simpler to use a manager especially if one chops and changes mods frequently. Any idiot can install a mod manually but most people have better things to do than keep track of files. A couple of clicks and the mod is installed - a couple of clicks and the mod is uninstalled (even with NMM which I used without issue for four years).