Bodyslide: Physics Not Working for Vanilla CBBE Outfits

[shar181]

I'll do my best to describe this issue coherently! I'm not sure what exactly caused the issue, so I have to describe everything that I did prior to noticing the problem. Please bear with me. x.x

 

Super condensed TL:DR:

 

Vanilla outfits included in CBBE have suddenly stopped receiving 3BBB physics when batch built with the "CBBE 3BBB Body Amazing" body, even though they were before. In-game, this results in vanilla outfits having only a very slight breast bounce, and no butt or belly physics. I don't know the cause, or even what the exact problem is. But something has changed; previously the bounce while wearing the Barkeeper Clothes (for example) was almost as exaggerated as when the character was nude!

 

 

The Long Version:

 

So. Ever since I first installed CBBE, I've been using the included bodyslide files that replace all of the vanilla (and DLC) outfits. At first I used CBBE Body Special, and everything worked fine. When I started using 3BBB Body Amazing (with CBP Physics), I had absolutely no issues with these; I could go to Batch Build, select "CBBE 3BBB Body Amazing" under "Choose Output Set #1", and then run the batch build. After doing that, all of the outfits in the game would have physics.

 

Now, here's where I have run into trouble. I downloaded Ghaans Revealing CBBE 3BBB Outfits, which is a fantastic armor replacer. Using this mod forced me to learn about a feature of Bodyslide that I've never used before; specifically, "Zap Sliders". Options for individual outfits that can be selected while building them (in this case, enabling/disabling piercings on Ghaan's outfits). This can't be done through Batch Build, so each outfit needs to be built separately.

 

Here's the order in which I did things while trying to figure out how to use these "zap" options:

 

1. Built the 3BBB CBBE Amazing Body using my custom preset. I do this first every time out of habit.
2. Ran Batch Build with everything selected. This covers all of the vanilla and DLC outfits that are included with CBBE, as well as a bunch of mod outfits.
3. Entered "3ba" under Outfit Filter, and then ran the batch build again. This is necessary to make sure my Devious Devices are all using 3BBB.
4. Entered "g3b" under Outfit Filter, and then ran the batch build. This filter is for Ghaan's outfits; I uncheck everything, then check the handful of outfits I want to use that don't require individual options.
5. Still using the "g3b" outfit filter, I individually go through the list of Ghaan's outfits that have options, pick the options I want, and then build them individually.

 

I've actually been doing steps 1-4 for quite awhile, with no issues. Every time I needed to install a new outfit or make changes to my body preset, basically. This has never resulted in vanilla outfits losing their physics.

 

This time, after adding Step 5, the vanilla outfits included in CBBE had lost their physics, and weren't shaped to my preset. I had forgotten to select "CBBE 3BBB Body Amazing" under the Outfit/Body list before I ran the batch build. I left the game, made sure that it was selected, and ran the batch build again. Back in the game, the body shape was back to normal but the physics were still missing. The physics worked while my character was naked, and with all of the 3BBB outfits, but not with any of the outfits included in CBBE.

 

I have no idea why this happened. I left the game and opened bodyslide again, then did only step 1 and step 2. I assumed that building the individual outfits had somehow messed things up, or maybe I had accidentally picked something other than "3BBB Body Amazing" while doing the batch build. Afterwards, still no physics in-game. I ran the batch build again, this time with "CBBE Body Special" selected under Choose Output Set #1. The physics were still broken.

 

I'm at a loss. The only things that are different from my normal Bodyslide Routine are:

 

1. Initially forgot to select "CBBE 3BBB Bodyslide Amazing" under Outfit/Body before doing a batch build.
2. Built individual outfits from Ghaan's mod in order to use "Zap slider" options.

 

I don't see how either of these could have resulted in the included CBBE outfits losing physics, especially after I ran it again with the right body selected. I am completely open to ideas. x.x

 

Edit: I just noticed that I was wrong when I said that there were "no physics". After looking very, very closely, I noticed that there is actually some kind of incredibly stiff, unresponsive bouncing when my character makes a sharp movement. It's so slight that its barely perceptible. :v I still haven't been able to get 3BBB working again, at least not with the vanilla CBBE outfits.

 

[anjenthedog]

In Bodyslide (as you know) there are two basic settings

 

1) the Body/Outfit

2) the Preset

 

When fitting clothing or armor, you're not fitting it to the Body, (because instead of the body, you've chosen a piece of clothing or armor, ie Outfit, regardless of doing the fitting individually or in batch mode), instead you're fitting it to the Preset

 

 

[shar181]

3 minutes ago, anjenthedog said:

In Bodyslide (as you know) there are two basic settings

 

1) the Body/Outfit

2) the Preset

 

When fitting clothing or armor, you're not fitting it to the Body, (because instead of the body, you've chosen a piece of clothing or armor, ie Outfit, regardless of doing the fitting individually or in batch mode), instead you're fitting it to the Preset

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm not sure what this has to do with my problem...

 

When doing a Batch Build, it fits the selected outfits to your Preset (the one selected on the main window). However, if I understand correctly, it also applies the properties of the body you select under "Choose Output Set #1". For example, if you select CBBE Body Physics it will come out with a different kind of physics than if you select CBBE 3BBB Body Amazing.

 

My problem is that, even though I'm selecting exactly the same options as before, the outfits from CBBE's included bodyslide files aren't showing the same kind of physics (3BBB) in-game.

[anjenthedog]

Nor am I saying this is "law" or canon... However, my understanding is as follows:

 

Presuming that physics has been incorporated in a given outfit in the first place, the physics of an outfit is determined, in fact dictated, by the characteristics of the reference body with which the outfit is designed. (and of course having the appropriate physic engine(s) installed for visible jiggle, ie CBPC or SMP) 

 

For instance, a CBBE outfit (as opposed to a CBBE-3BBB) ie, the main body piece, will not display thigh jiggle, no matter how high a setting you use for your Naked CBBE-3BBB body, since the thigh is incorporated into that Body piece, and that body piece is limited to the motions CBBE allows, which does not include thighs. 

 

Or given a regular UNP outfit, you can apply it, and if your CBBE-3BBB naked model closely resembles the UNP outfit reference body, you may not notice much or any difference visually, but you will get ZERO body physics, since the original UNP is static. 

 

That's my understanding. **I could be wrong, (I have one clothing set for my female, well more than one, but I have only one she wears virtually all the time, made of about a half dozen selected elements from a few different armor/clothing sets (some CBBE, some CBBE-3BBB, and each piece is qualified for full jiggle support within their "realm"... that is, I don't play dress up much. I figured out my female's working outfit, and that's what she wears...)

 

if **so, (ie I'm wrong), well great, but if not, well that might be your snag. If I am correct, you might check your CBPC settings (ie, in sinful CBP) and see if a sloppier setting allows for more jiggle. 

[Just Don't]

1 hour ago, shar181 said:

When doing a Batch Build, it fits the selected outfits to your Preset (the one selected on the main window). However, if I understand correctly, it also applies the properties of the body you select under "Choose Output Set #1". For example, if you select CBBE Body Physics it will come out with a different kind of physics than if you select CBBE 3BBB Body Amazing.

 

Not really. You could totally skip building the body set first and include it in the first batch build. The 3BBB Body Amazing only builds the naked female body shape and it doesn't extend 3BBB physics to other sets.

1 hour ago, shar181 said:

My problem is that, even though I'm selecting exactly the same options as before, the outfits from CBBE's included bodyslide files aren't showing the same kind of physics (3BBB) in-game.

The CBBE vanilla outfits are an optional setting in the CBBE installer, not in Bodyslide. If you're referring to these sets then you won't have 3BBB physics for these items, because the CBBE vanilla outfits only support regular and physic enabled models. The only way to get 3BBB physics in a built set is using bodyslide files with support for 3BBB (like Ghaan's revealing replacer or BD's replacer).

[shar181]

32 minutes ago, Just Don't said:

The CBBE vanilla outfits are an optional setting in the CBBE installer, not in Bodyslide.

Yes, but that option installs bodyslide files so that the outfits can be fitted to your body preset.

32 minutes ago, Just Don't said:

If you're referring to these sets then you won't have 3BBB physics for these items, because the CBBE vanilla outfits only support regular and physic enabled models. The only way to get 3BBB physics in a built set is using bodyslide files with support for 3BBB (like Ghaan's revealing replacer or BD's replacer).

If that is the case, why were those outfits getting 3BBB physics before?

 

It is possible that they never had 3BBB physics, but its undeniable that they changed somehow. There is a lot less jiggle than there was when I woke up this morning (before I tried to install those outfits from Ghaan's mod), but I don't think I did anything out of the ordinary other than the one time I ran Batch Build without 3BBB Amazing selected.

[Just Don't]

24 minutes ago, shar181 said:

Yes, but that option installs bodyslide files so that the outfits can be fitted to your body preset.

I was just clarifying the origin so I know we're talking about the same thing.

24 minutes ago, shar181 said:

If that is the case, why were those outfits getting 3BBB physics before?

I seriously doubt that was the case. As I said the CBBE Vanilla outfits you can build don't have support for 3BBB physics. And that's a verifiable fact, this is not up to debate really (as pretentious as I might sound here, not my intention, it is how the generated files behave).

 

 If you think they changed somehow, it might be that you're comparing a true 3BBB outfit with a regular physic enabled one and notice the difference, or that you switched from CBPC to HDT-SMP (a thing you can do if you installed CBBE 3BBB to use both CBPC and HDT-SMP). 

[anjenthedog]

As I suggested before, (but didn't explicitly state)  if you have CBBE outfits (miner, mage, etc) installed, you'll get some breast and butt jiggle, but afaik it's attached to CBPC values, and if you're using a "firm" CBPC setting, you're only going to see mild jiggle. 

 

Do you have Sinful CBPC installed? If so, you can adjust the (CBPC) jiggle "strength" in-game via its MCM. Otherwise, you'll need to work with the ini files. Personally, I prefer Sinful for general adjustments (breast and butt jiggle when I'm in CBP mode) rather than tweaking values in the CBPC (ini) config files.

 

PS> in case you happened to reinstall CBBE-3BBB at any time recently, did you install the optional CBPC ini additions? (chosen in its fomod)  fwiw, they make a difference

[shar181]

1 hour ago, Just Don't said:

If you think they changed somehow, it might be that you're comparing a true 3BBB outfit with a regular physic enabled one and notice the difference, or that you switched from CBPC to HDT-SMP (a thing you can do if you installed CBBE 3BBB to use both CBPC and HDT-SMP). 

Just for clarity, I'll be referring to a specific outfit. The Barkeeper's Clothes, in all of their bosomy glory. When I say "something has changed", I specifically mean that prior to this business of installing the Ghaan mod, the barkeeper clothes had extremely pronounced jiggle. They had belly physics, butt physics, etc, all of which were roughly on par with the jiggle my character had while she was naked. Which is a lot of jiggle, since 3BBB Amazing is a hella-bouncy body, even when you use CBP instead of SMP.

 

After installing the Ghaan mod, the Barkeeper Clothes had zero belly or butt physics, and only very slight breast physics. I'm definitely not imagining the difference; it's night and day. I noticed it immediately when I entered the game after messing around in Bodyslide.

 

My CBP settings have not been changed. I haven't installed/uninstalled/reinstalled anything other than Ghaan's mod. The outfit was built in Batch Build, using the same Output Set as always: CBBE Vanilla - Body - Barkeep (Physics). And yet, there is a pronounced difference to its physics in-game.

 

1 hour ago, anjenthedog said:

As I suggested before, (but didn't explicitly state)  if you have CBBE outfits (miner, mage, etc) installed, you'll get some breast and butt jiggle, but afaik it's attached to CBPC values, and if you're using a "firm" CBPC setting, you're only going to see mild jiggle. 

 

Do you have Sinful CBPC installed? If so, you can adjust the (CBPC) jiggle "strength" in-game via its MCM. Otherwise, you'll need to work with the ini files. Personally, I prefer Sinful for general adjustments (breast and butt jiggle when I'm in CBP mode) rather than tweaking values in the CBPC (ini) config files.

I use CBP Sinful, yes, but I haven't changed the settings for it recently. My CBP settings are the same as they've been for weeks. The difference I'm seeing in the physics simply can't be explained by CBP settings; like I said above, the difference in breast movement is enormous, and the butt and belly physics have completely disappeared.

[shar181]

Is there a 3BBB conversion for non-skimpy vanilla outfits? I know its a long shot, but maybe I had such a mod and somehow... unwittingly removed it? :s

 

That feels extremely unlikely, though. I'm not sure I've ever heard of such a mod, and if I had it, surely I would be seeing it in Vortex even if it was uninstalled. ~_~

 

On the other hand, I've been wracking my brain over this all day and I can't come up with any plausible theory to explain how drastically the physics on these vanilla outfits changed. Ugh, Skyrim... Thou art an unkind mistress.

[Sandatharius]

When a CBBE/CBPC armour is created, it is actually also a body. Same with the 3BBB Amazing body. The body itself is also part of the armour. 3BBB Has extra bone weights in the breasts, butt and thighs. The calfs too. Those are HDT-SMP driven. CBPC-based armours, when placed on a 3BBB body, cannot possibly have the 3BBB physics, as those armours do not have the extra breast bones, nor the HDT-SMP that would drive those specific physics parts of the armours or clothing. Chances are, you may have had vanilla armours converted for 3BBB and now don't have them anymore. There are a few mods that have converted all vanilla armour to 3BBB, but those mod authors also converted them to skimpy or semi-skimpy in the process.

[shar181]

On 10/8/2020 at 8:19 AM, Sandatharius said:

Chances are, you may have had vanilla armours converted for 3BBB and now don't have them anymore. There are a few mods that have converted all vanilla armour to 3BBB, but those mod authors also converted them to skimpy or semi-skimpy in the process.

Yeah, it definitely wasn't a skimpy version of the outfit. ~_~ I still have no idea what the problem is, but I guess I'll just have to learn to live with it. My best guess is that I had 3BBB versions for a few specific outfits, and they somehow disappeared on me.

 

Hopefully, a full, non-slutty 3BBB conversion will appear in the future!

[Nerros]

I never managed to install this one! After reading your post still not, too bad it doesn't install like all the others. Namely building the body with the armor in bodyslide. 

 

The problem is that it does not appear in bodyslide, someone knows a similar mode that is easier to install?