CTD when entering Solitude Blue Palace

[Decèdere]

I don't even have many mods installed. I only use Vortex. I tried disabling individual mods that I think would affect the inside(Enhanced Lights & FX, A Noble Skyrim, Detailed Rugs), and I even used "Purge Mods" in Vortex to restore the game to an unmodded state and it still crashes. I have papyrus logging enabled, but it's not creating logs, so perhaps it's not a papyrus error.

 

I imagine I can use the console to acquire the Firebrand Wine for this quest, but this really bugs me and I'm afraid it might happen somewhere else down the line. Any idea how else I can diagnose this? What else might cause a CTD if not papyrus? I may very well have loose files somewhere in the data files causing this. Idk

[Psalam]

5 minutes ago, Seelenlos said:

I don't even have many mods installed. I only use Vortex. I tried disabling individual mods that I think would affect the inside(Enhanced Lights & FX, A Noble Skyrim, Detailed Rugs), and I even used "Purge Mods" in Vortex to restore the game to an unmodded state and it still crashes. I have papyrus logging enabled, but it's not creating logs, so perhaps it's not a papyrus error.

 

I imagine I can use the console to acquire the Firebrand Wine for this quest, but this really bugs me and I'm afraid it might happen somewhere else down the line. Any idea how else I can diagnose this? What else might cause a CTD if not papyrus? I may very well have loose files somewhere in the data files causing this. Idk

I think you are on the right track. CTD in the same location is almost always due to a bad mesh/texture added by a mod. Having said that the cause is not necessarily obvious. For a while a common CTD was upon reaching the Whiterun stables. It was caused by horse schlongs. That is, it isn't always due to the "things" in the area it may be due to actors or their clothing.

 

You're also right about papyrus logs. For technical reasons they don't usually help in the diagnosis of a CTD although I have seen them be helpful.

 

Finally you're also right to be worried about it happening elsewhere. If, for example, it's caused by something that changes the Jarl's clothing that Elisif wears you would get the same CTD whenever you ran across someone else wearing those clothes.

[Tlam99]

what might help is netscript framework  template(nexus) for logging.

It helped me in the past as it writes always in overwrite a log file. If you than compare several logs

check for things which appear in all logs.

Had an issue ctd whiterun stables, was caused by a C5 clothing, as Psalam pointed to already.

This clothing showed up in each log, removed, bingo.

[-Player1-]

Another option is to install a replacer for the area. There are tons for the Blue Palace.

Worked for me back in the day.

[Guest]

Except that the .NET Script Framework is for SSE only?

 

If you've tried with all your mods disabled and still crash at the same location, it might be corrupted save data.

Papyrus logging will not log CTDs, because:

1. Papyrus logging is for PapyrusVM related errors.
2. CTDs are unhandled CPU exceptions. The game was not expecting it.

You can attach your SKSE minidump of the crash and I can take a look. But beware, with crashes like this, the best I'll be able to provide you without spending hours and hours on it are some clues that will allow you to filter out possible culprits.

 

P.S. I've all the mods you've listed as suspects and I don't have any crashes.

[Andy14]

I guess an Npc in the blue palace is causing the error. For example the court magician Stentor.
You can display the ID of the Npc in the console with help npc name.
Then in the console with player.placeatme ID 1 let the Npc spawn next to you. So it shouldn't take long to find out whether NPC's are the cause.

[Decèdere]

Guys I really appreciate your ideas. But I hate to say it, I think the easiest solution at this point will be to reinstall the game and the mods I'm using. I already uninstalled them through Vortex, and I even went through my downloaded mods one by one seeing if I installed any of them manually while deleting each one's loose files from the Data folder. Still crashing.

 

I was wondering if it could be a corrupt save because during all of this I did get an error that my game was corrupt, but I passed it off as being due to mods I had just deleted. I'll have to try a different character and see if they crash.

 

I only have 20-30 mods installed so it's not huge deal, I just hate doing this mid-game. I will try a couple of these suggestions first though as a last resort!

[Psalam]

11 minutes ago, Seelenlos said:

Guys I really appreciate your ideas. But I hate to say it, I think the easiest solution at this point will be to reinstall the game and the mods I'm using. I already uninstalled them through Vortex, and I even went through my downloaded mods one by one seeing if I installed any of them manually while deleting each one's loose files from the Data folder. Still crashing.

 

I was wondering if it could be a corrupt save because during all of this I did get an error that my game was corrupt, but I passed it off as being due to mods I had just deleted. I'll have to try a different character and see if they crash.

 

I only have 20-30 mods installed so it's not huge deal, I just hate doing this mid-game. I will try a couple of these suggestions first though as a last resort!

If you've got a corrupt save use ReSaver (part of Fallrim Tools found on Nexuw) to try to fix it.

[Decèdere]

I just tried a couple of older characters and I get the same crash. I guess that rules out a corrupt save. Now I'll try to teleport NPCs to me and see if any cause the CTD.

 

If I do end up reinstalling, is it enough to copy my "Documents\My Games\Skyrim\" folder and replace it after to preserve my display settings and everything? Is there anything in the Skyrim folder itself I would need to copy and restore?

[Andy14]

17 minutes ago, Seelenlos said:

I just tried a couple of older characters and I get the same crash. I guess that rules out a corrupt save. Now I'll try to teleport NPCs to me and see if any cause the CTD.

 

If I do end up reinstalling, is it enough to copy my "Documents\My Games\Skyrim\" folder and replace it after to preserve my display settings and everything? Is there anything in the Skyrim folder itself I would need to copy and restore?

I don't know why people think reinstalling fixes errors with mods. Files don't get rotten. I reinstalled it in 2014 because of a hard drive crash - otherwise it would still be an initial installation from 2011.

And I even install manually - my Fetish.

 

To save your ini files, yes My Documents\Skyrim is the right folder.

f you are using ENB and want to use it again, save the corresponding files and folders as well - everything in the Skyrim folder (where the exe is)

But checking the file integrity through Steam is more than enough - reinstallation is actually never necessary.

[Decèdere]

Sorry, I should have mentioned that I am actually on SE.

[Andy14]

24 minutes ago, Seelenlos said:

Sorry, I should have mentioned that I am actually on SE.

Basically, that doesn't change anything - except that you're in the wrong forum.

Fun aside - in SE, the chances of a script leading to an "immediate" CTD are very low. In other words, the possibility of a skin/mesh/skeleton problem with an NPC is now greater

[Decèdere]

Yes, after all my googling I have determined that the most likely cause is a corrupt mesh, possibly from something I installed manually and forgot about. At least that's been the issue for the majority if not all of people having this problem. I actually forgot that the file integrity check was an option in steam, but that's not going to clean the Data folder is it?

 

I teleported everyone from the blue palace to my location outside and none of them caused a CTD. ?

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

If your gonna reinstall game try verify integrity of game files through steam. You have to do this after reinstall as well.

[Andy14]

33 minutes ago, Seelenlos said:

possibly from something I installed manually and forgot about.

 

Sounds like you're using a mod manager, but sometimes installing it manually? If so, that doesn't work at all. Unless you have a lot of time to manually clean up the mess.

If no NPC is causing the error, post your loadorder and papyrus.log.
Maybe someone recognizes one of your mods as a potential troublemaker.

 

 

The integrity-check checks the Skyrim Vanilla files (Exe, Esm, Bsa, Default-Inis etc.).
Mods are not checked and are not removed/changed.
But the Ini's in My Documents\Skyrim will be recreated - so backup first.

[Decèdere]

Problem solved! Since nothing was working I just deleted the entire meshes and texture folders and did an integrity check. I'll have to reinstall each mod and test them to see if any was causing the CTD and if I find it I'll post here.

[Grey Cloud]

3 hours ago, Andy14 said:

To save your ini files, yes My Documents\Skyrim is the right folder.

Is that true if the OP is using MO? Would they not be in the profile's folder or some such?

[Decèdere]

I use Vortex not MO.

[Andy14]

14 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Is that true if the OP is using MO? Would they not be in the profile's folder or some such?

The check of the file integrity of Steam does not run in profile folders of mod managers. Therefore, the files located there do not have to be backed up.