AAF opening perk page CTD

[zmfhtps]

Hi, as I said, opening perks page on pip boy always causes CTD.. - data tab works fine -

 

Sorting mods are installed in this order:

DEF_UI

HUD Framework
VIS-G 

Horizon

AAF

 

I tried

1) deleting VIS-G

2) reinstalling DEF_UI & HUD framework

3) moving AAF above Horizon

4) deleting pip-pad

None worked...plus there arn't many info about ppl crashing on perk pages like me

 

ESP list:
 

Spoiler

Fallout4.esm
DLCRobot.esm
DLCworkshop01.esm
DLCCoast.esm
DLCworkshop02.esm
DLCworkshop03.esm
DLCNukaWorld.esm
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
HUDFramework.esm
76HUD - AIO.esl
SpringCleaning.esm
ArmorKeywords.esm
Better Containers.esl
Damage Threshold.esm
NoraSpouse.esm
NAC.esm
WorkshopFramework.esm
SimSettlements.esm
Darlene.esm
FFO.esm
Homemaker.esm
AAF.esm
AAFThemes.esl
ImmersiveDogmeat.esl
LMBTOverlays.esl
Lucid's Texture Upgrades.esl
XDI.esm
Z_Architect.esm
tooun_Animationpack.esl
OVT.esp
Z_Horizon_Loot_Respawn.esp
darkest-04.esp
Better Locational Damage.esp
Z_Horizon_Loot_Respawn_DLC.esp
FFO.esp
Nuclear Reloaded.esp
MiscHairstyle.esp
zzjay_Wasteland attire.esp
AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp
Better Locational Damage - DLC_Automatron.esp
Better Locational Damage - DLC_Far_Harbor.esp
Better Locational Damage - DLC_Nuka_World.esp
HDCreaturesRework.esp
Glowing Animals Emit Light.esp
Better Locational Damage - DLC_WWorkshop.esp
BLD - Leveled Lists - DLC.esp
Boston Natural Surroundings.esp
hdreworkedprojectrevised.esp
BostonFPSFixAIO.esp
Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - AiO.esp
Eli_MarlboroughHouse.esp
Diamond City Enhanced.esp
W.A.T.Minutemen.esp
SimSettlements_XPAC_Conqueror.esp
Better Locational Damage - Valdacil's Item Sorting - Patch.esp
Better Perks - Enhanced.esp
Better VATS - 0.75.esp
BetterCompanions.esp
BOREALIS.esp
BulletParty.esp
Campsite.esp
CraftableAmmo_plus.esp
Crimsomrider's 1950s Feminine Outfits.esp
dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp
Deeper Thoughts - Expressive Curie.esp
DX_Banshee_Recon_Armor.esp
ESPExplorerFO4.esp
Extended weapon mods.esp
FAR.esp
Flashy_StealthyTakedowns.esp
Ghouls Revamped.esp
Immersive HUD.esp
ImmersiveVendors.esp
Impervious Power Armour.esp
Institute Patch for PRC.esp
K9TacticalHarness.esp
KrissVector.esp
KSHairdos.esp
KSHairdos_oel.esp
LegendaryModification.esp
LMBTOverlays.esp
LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp
LooksMenu.esp
LoweredJetpakAPDrain.esp
LoweredSprintAPDrain.esp
luxor8071 HD Texture Pack AIO.esp
MyCart_Biohazard.esp
Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp
NAC-FarHarbor.esp
NAC-NukaWorld.esp
NMC Bundle HIGH.esp
PushAwayCompanions.esp
Radiant Clouds and Fogs.esp
Realistic_conversations.esp
RightHandedHuntingRifle.esp
RustBelt Replace.esp
SC_ExpandedScrapList.esp
SimSettlements_XPAC_IndustrialRevolution.esp
spacefiddle_Follower-Stealth-Distance-Fixes.esp
Swinging Meat Bags.esp
The Eyes Of Beauty.esp
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
ThirdPersonADS.esp
ToughGirlAttire.esp
ValiusHDTextures2K.esp
Vera AR-15.esp
WET.esp
XM2010_SniperRifle_by_tooun.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
Gas Masks of the Wasteland.esp
Gas Mask NPC.esp
Eli_Rockin Red Rocket.esp
BetterShackBridges.esp
Companion Infinite Ammo.esp
Minuteman Watchtowers.esp
ellen.esp
FO4 NPCs Travel.esp
llamaCompanionHeather.esp
SteyrAUGnv.esp
Companion_BloodRose.esp
Gas Mask ArmorKeywords.esp
llamaCompanionHeather-VIS Patch.esp
SimSettlements_XPAC_RiseOfTheCommonwealth.esp
AgemoNewFace(E)Piper.esp
kokok_Cait_Replacer.79249.esp
AgemoNewFace(E)Curie.esp
BodyTalk3-LooksMenu.esp
Nora Looks Customization for v1.2.esp
CROSS_2077.esp
1950HZPATCH.esp
PhotoLight.esp
Nomie-Magnolia.esp
Valerian_Armor.esp
VtawWardrobe1.esp
Shino Clothes.esp
Mathilda_Ellen_Replacer.esp
KSHairsFemsheppingRadbeetle.esp
SleekStylesPack.esp
CBBE.esp
TrueGrass.esp
VELDT - New Coke.esp
VELDT - Floral Aroma.esp
VELDT - Original Recipe.esp
Unique NPCs - Creatures and Monsters.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp
HoloTime.esp
Z_Horizon.esp
Z_Architect_Extras.esp
Z_Extras.esp
Z_Horizon_DEFUI.esp
Z_Horizon_Timescale.esp
Z_Horizon_DLC_All.esp
Z_Horizon_Patch_Homemaker.esp
Z_Architect_EnhancedSettlements.esp
Z_Architect_EnhancedSettlements_DLC.esp
Z_Architect_HomePlate.esp
ArdentReconPatch.esp
VHS-2.esp
PIP-Pad.esp
PIP-Pad_LMCC.esp
PIP-Pad_Pip-BoyFlashlight.esp
VIS-G Item Sorting.esp
Deathclaw_nude.esp
Atomic Lust.esp
FO4_AnimationsByLeito.esp
SavageCabbage_Animations.esp
CumNWealth.esp
CumNWealth_mutant.esp
indarello_animations.esp
Zaz Particles.esp

 

Mod list:
 

Spoiler

+Erection Fix By SilverPerv v7.2.0
+Patch for animations (SquirtCum Effects, cumtattoo overlays, stages, fixes) 7.2
+SavageCabbages Animation Pack
-AAF_SEU_V1
-MCG_(MagnoCumGaudio_FO4)
+FO4_AnimationsByLeito_v2
+Atomic Lust
+AAF VanillaKinkyCreatures Sex Animation Themes
+AAF - The One Patch to Bang Them All
+Advanced Animation Framework
+DOMI-UI
+DavesMods - In Game ESP Explorer Maintenance Horizon Beta Patch
-KS Hair Physics Fusion Girl Body Mesh
-Fusion Girl Body Mesh
-CBBE Bodymesh
+Fragile CBBE Bodymesh
+Horizon
+Dreamchaser's Fusion Girl Preset
+Josie Body - A CBBE and Fusion Girl BodySlide Preset
+Fragile - CBBE and TWB BodySlide Presets
+Tactical Action Extension Package (Beta)
+Tomie Female texture pack
+Magnolia replacer
+Tomie - An institute villain preset
+Collection of textures and presets for the girls
+Oni vanilla hair re-texture
+Female Neck Tweaks
+Sophie - Female LooksMenu preset
+Photo Light
+Preset pack 3
-MCG Compatibility Patches
-A.J. various XMLs
-ShinoClothes - Fusion Girl BodySlide Conversion
+ShinoClothes
-Vtaw Wardrobe 1 - Fusion Girl BodySlide Conversion
+Vtaw Wardrobe 1 - CBBE - BodySlide
-Valerian Armor for Fusion Girl - BodySlide
+Valerian Armor
+Steyr AUG A3 - Modular Assault Rifle
+XM2010 Enhanced Sniper Rifle
+Kriss Vector
+VHS - AR
+Gorgy Cait
+Heather Casdin - Patches FOMOD
+Mathilda - Ellen replacer
+Mathilda V2.5 - Ellen replacer and Vara V2 presets
+Ellen - the cartographer
+Nora Spouse Companion - LooksMenu Patch v1.2
+Nora Spouse Companion
+(Option A) - Piper
+Agemo's Gorgeous heroines (Option A) - Curie
+Amazing FollowerTweaks
+Female Sexy Sitting and Standing Animation Replacer
-Fusion Girl Vanilla Outfits
-CROSS_2077 for Fusion Girl - BodySlide
+CROSS_2077
+1950's Feminine Outfits Horizon Patch - CBBE
+1950's Feminine Outfits (Vanilla - EVB - CBBE)
+zzjay Wasteland Attire CBBE
-Biohazard Suit Fusion Girl Bodyslide
+Biohazard Suit
+K-9 Harness -- Tactical Body Armor and Backpack for Dogmeat
+Banshee Recon Armor CBBE
-Tough Girl Attire - Fusion Girl BodySlide Conversion
+TG attire BodySlide CBBE
+Tough Girl Attire - CBBE - BodySlide
+Banshee Recon Armor - CBBE BodySlide
+Muzzle Flashy
+Gun Smoke (Weapon muzzle smoke and Smoke Trails)
+Bullet party
+TheoN - Male Preset
+Deeper Thoughts - Curie
+Heather Casdin - A Unique Companion Experience by llamaRCA
+Valentine REBORN - Nick Face Retexture - HD Synth Eyes and Teeth - Gen1 Metal Skeleton
+Companion Stealth Distance Fix (No Free Hugs) - Now with No Dogmeat in Crosshairs
+Blood Rose - Voiced Companion with Affinity
+I'm Darlene
+Immersive Dogmeat - Smart - Silent - Sneaky
+Companion Infinite Ammo
+MiscHairstyle1
+Legendary Modification
+Spring Cleaning
+Craftable Ammo
+Achievements
+Higher Settlement Budget
+Valkyr Female Face and Body Textures
+Lowered Weapons
+Homemaker - Expanded Settlements
+Faction Housing Overhaul - All In One
+Rockin' Red Rocket
+Sim Settlements - Industrial Revolution
+Sim Settlements - Rise of the Commonwealth
+Workshop Framework
+Sim Settlements - Conqueror
+Marlborough Mansion
+The Nelson - Double Settlement
+Lowered Sprint AP Drain
+Lowered Jetpack AP Drain
+Get Out Of My Face (Push Away Companions and NPCs)
+Crafting Highlight Fix
+Faster Workshop (Workshop Lag Fix)
+Place Everywhere
+Companion Status UI Remastered
+Minuteman Watchtowers
+Right-Handed Hunting Rifle
+Third Person Aim Down Sights
+Pip-Boy Flashlight
+Realistic Conversations Fallout 4
+Impervious Power Armour (Armor)
+Extended weapon mods
+NPCs Travel
+Durable Vertibirds
+Campsite - Simple Wasteland Camping (and HD Sleeping Bags)
+Better Companions - All In One
+Better Ammo Boxes Overhaul
+Sim Settlements
+Improved Shack Bridges
-Satellite World Map
+Immersive Vendors
+Immersive Mouth and Teeth - 6.0
+Glowing Animals Emit Light
+We Are The Minutemen
+Fallout 2287 Gas Masks of the Wasteland
+Better Locational Damage
+Swinging Animated Meat Bags
+Better Female Walk
+Flashy(JoeR) - Stealthy Takedowns
-Lovely Skin Complex - texture pack for CBBE - body and face
+8K Realistic Skin Textures - CBBE - Fusion Girl - ABeauty - Unique Player Compatible-
+deLuxe Makeup
-Black Desert Online Hairs
+AAR
+Nuclear
-HoloTime 2 - Clock Widget for HUDFramework
+Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul
+Radiant Clouds and Fogs
+Flora FX Overhaul
+Adjusted Neck and Head Proportions
+Sleek Styles - a Hairstyle Pack
+femshepping and radbeetle's KS Hairdos Short Medium Length and Updo Conversions w Physics
-KS Hairdos - Addon(s) with Physics - Fusion Girl Bodyslides
+Ghouls Revamped
+Ghouls Revamped-33666-1-1
+Kirs freckles
+KS Hairdos - Addon(s) with Physics
+Eye Normal Map Fix Fallout 4 Edition
+Ponytail Hairstyles by Azar v2.5a
+Extended Facial Sculpting - now with 90 percent less beta
+LooksMenu Body Tattoos ESL Version
+LooksMenu Body Tattoos (CBBE) (EVB or vanilla)
+Looks Menu Customization Compendium
+LooksMenu
+Commonwealth Cuts - KS Hairdos - ApachiiSkyHair
+Appealing Moles
+The Eyes of Beauty Fallout Kaleidoscope Edition - All-in-One
+BodySlide and Outfit Studio
+MTM OCBP Physics Preset
-OCBPC for ZeX FG BT2 JaneBod Extended
-OCBP for ZeX FusionGirl BodyTalk2 etc
+CBP Physics for Fallout 4
-FusionGirl
-ZaZ-Extended-Skeleton (ZeX)
+BodyTalk
+OCBPC Physics CBBE
+OCBP Physics CBBE
+Natalee CBBE-TWB Body Preset
+Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer -CBBE-
+Unique NPCs - Creatures and Monsters
+True Grass
+Boston Natural Surroundings
+Grassy LODs
+Boston FPS Fix - aka BostonDT PreVis-PreCombine
+FAR - Faraway Area Reform
+Diamond City Enhanced
+VELDT - Grass Retexture
+RustBelt Flora Replace
+Better Containers
+BOREALIS - Landscape Retexture
+Institute Patch for PRC
+Lucid's Texture Upgrades
+NMC's Texture Bundle
+luxor8071's HD Texture Pack AIO
-Night Time God Rays
+Enhanced Lights and FX
+NAC - Natural and Atmospheric Commonwealth
+Fallout 4 Enhanced Color Correction
+Crows and Ceatures Collection
+HD DLC Creature Textures Rework
+Fallout 4 HD Reworked Project Revised
+Pre-War Retextures 4K
+Radio Re-Done 4K
+Shack Floors Re-Done 4K
+Gravel Redone 4K
+Tookie's Textures-Grass and Plants
+Jesters Better Destroyed Vehicles
+WET
+Vivid Fallout - Roads and Bridges
+Fallout Texture Overhaul Stars
+High Resolution Texture Pack 2K and 4K - Valius
+Vivid Fallout - Landscapes - Textures in HD - ORIGINAL SIZE - LOWER RESOLUTION
+Vivid Fallout - Rocks - Textures in HD - ORIGINAL SIZE - LOWER RESOLUTION
+Enhanced Blood Textures
+FlaconOil's HD ReTexture Project - High Quality Pack Pt3
+FlaconOil's HD ReTexture Project - High Quality Pack Pt2
+FlaconOil's HD ReTexture Project - High Quality Pack
+Optimized Vanilla Textures
+IMVM - Far Harbor (Default)
+IMVR - Nuka World (Default)
+Improved Map with Visible Roads
+PIP-Pad
+HoloTime - HUD Clock Widget
+HUD Replace 76
+Extended Dialogue Interface
+Immersive HUD - iHUD
+HUD Plus Plus
+VIS-G Item Sorting
+DEF_UI Compatibility Patch
+HUDFramework
+DEF_UI
+Mod Configuration Menu
+Armor and Weapon Keywords Community Resource (AWKCR)
-IN-GAME ESP Explorer
+DavesMods - In Game ESP Explorer Maintenance
+Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch
*DLC: Automatron
*DLC: Contraptions Workshop
*DLC: Far Harbor
*DLC: Nuka-World
*DLC: Vault-Tec Workshop
*DLC: Wasteland Workshop

 

[mashup47]

5 hours ago, zmfhtps said:

Hi, as I said, opening perks page on pip boy always causes CTD.. - data tab works fine -

Hi this can be caused by Vis/Vis G or something to do with the SWF file found in DEF UI mod can conflict with AAF. So you mite have to uninstall DEF UI. Hope this helps.

 

 

[zmfhtps]

2 hours ago, mashup47 said:

Hi this can be caused by Vis/Vis G or something to do with the SWF file found in DEF UI mod can conflict with AAF. So you mite have to uninstall DEF UI. Hope this helps.

 

 

I've disabled DEF_UI and perk crash is still happening, now I'm even more positive it is horizon vs AAF

[mashup47]

32 minutes ago, zmfhtps said:

I've disabled DEF_UI and perk crash is still happening, now I'm even more positive it is horizon vs AAF

More recently people have been reporting this with DEF UI that's why i mention it but for me it was an old AAF patch for animation but please do report back if you find the answer.

[zmfhtps]

Fresh new game testing

 

Trial 1: AAF alone - works

Trial 2: AAF with DEF w/o Horizon - data works, ctd on perk tab

Trial 3: AAF with Horizon w/o DEF- ctd on data, ctd on perk tab 

Trial 4: AAF & DEF & Horizon - data works, ctd on perk tab

Trial 5: DEF & Horizon, no AAF - works

 

I didn't know AAF has such a bad compatibility

[mashup47]

1 hour ago, zmfhtps said:

Fresh new game testing

 

Trial 1: AAF alone - works

Trial 2: AAF with DEF - data works, ctd on perk tab

Trial 3: AAF with Horizon - ctd on data & perk tab 

Trial 4: AAF & DEF & Horizon - data works, ctd on perk tab

 

I didn't know AAF has such a bad compatibility

It's not AAF at fault perse it has to do with the amount of Def ui interfaces you have active I believe. so maybe cutting down on the amount of mods using Def UI may help.

For better help with this try the AAF Discord channel found here: https://discord.gg/B95qTEn

[Indarello]

3 hours ago, zmfhtps said:

Fresh new game testing

 

Trial 1: AAF alone - works

Trial 2: AAF with DEF - data works, ctd on perk tab

Trial 3: AAF with Horizon - ctd on data & perk tab 

Trial 4: AAF & DEF & Horizon - data works, ctd on perk tab

 

I didn't know AAF has such a bad compatibility

Maybe you will make test without AAF before making logical conclusion

[zmfhtps]

3 hours ago, mashup47 said:

It's not AAF at fault perse it has to do with the amount of Def ui interfaces you have active I believe. so maybe cutting down on the amount of mods using Def UI may help.

For better help with this try the AAF Discord channel found here: https://discord.gg/B95qTEn

hmm then it doesn't makes sense why it would crash without Def ui tho...
 

On Trial 3, I tried running the game without Def ui, just horizon.

 

It seems that AAF likes neither horizon nor Def ui

[zmfhtps]

51 minutes ago, Indarello said:

Maybe you will make test without AAF before making logical conclusion

Game works completely fine w/o AAF, both with Def ui and horizon installed

[dagobaking]

On 6/28/2020 at 6:19 AM, zmfhtps said:

Fresh new game testing

 

Trial 1: AAF alone - works

Trial 2: AAF with DEF w/o Horizon - data works, ctd on perk tab

Trial 3: AAF with Horizon w/o DEF- ctd on data, ctd on perk tab 

Trial 4: AAF & DEF & Horizon - data works, ctd on perk tab

Trial 5: DEF & Horizon, no AAF - works

 

I didn't know AAF has such a bad compatibility

 

On 6/28/2020 at 11:05 AM, zmfhtps said:

hmm then it doesn't makes sense why it would crash without Def ui tho...
 

On Trial 3, I tried running the game without Def ui, just horizon.

 

It seems that AAF likes neither horizon nor Def ui

 

A) What kind of ridiculous logic is it that if two mods conflict it must be AAF that has bad compatibility? Why wouldn't you conclude that DEF and/or Horizon have bad compatiblity?

 

B) You apparently missed the detail in the Horizon description that says that a custom version of DEF_UI is included with the mod. Which renders your snarky test flawed.

 

Try again.

[thehotness]

I had this issue. The issue is you run out of flash resources with DEF, AAF, Horizons, immersive HUD, survival widgets etc etc. Also SIM settlements and conquerors can consume flash capacity so when you open the perk page with all the animations it crashes the game. 

 

The key is to turn off your HUD elements first. So get rid of Def HUD or immersive HUD, turn off all the widgets, etc. You should be able to open the perk page after. 

[zmfhtps]

14 hours ago, dagobaking said:

 

 

A) What kind of ridiculous logic is it that if two mods conflict it must be AAF that has bad compatibility? Why wouldn't you conclude that DEF and/or Horizon have bad compatiblity?

 

B) You apparently missed the detail in the Horizon description that says that a custom version of DEF_UI is included with the mod. Which renders your snarky test flawed.

 

Try again.

My tests and the conclusion derived from the results could have been flawed; yes.

There is no problem pointing it out and suggesting a new method.

 

However, there is something wrong with the aggressiveness. Chill out.

 

 

 

[zmfhtps]

9 hours ago, thehotness said:

I had this issue. The issue is you run out of flash resources with DEF, AAF, Horizons, immersive HUD, survival widgets etc etc. Also SIM settlements and conquerors can consume flash capacity so when you open the perk page with all the animations it crashes the game. 

 

The key is to turn off your HUD elements first. So get rid of Def HUD or immersive HUD, turn off all the widgets, etc. You should be able to open the perk page after. 

I see, I've already tried with all the other HUDs off but I didn't know SIM settlements also consume flash capacity. 

 

I tried again with

All HUD mods off, Sim settlement: conqueror off, DEF_UI off

Horizon and AAF on

Now it doesn't ctd on perk page; it does ctd on data.

[dagobaking]

11 hours ago, zmfhtps said:

However, there is something wrong with the aggressiveness. Chill out.

You were the one that went there bud. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.

[zmfhtps]

1 hour ago, dagobaking said:

You were the one that went there bud. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.

I never intended to make an aggression towards a specific person.
If there is a misunderstanding, I'm happy to sort it out.

 

I assumed AAF was the problem because everything else worked in harmony except after AAF was introduced. 

You are right in that I shouldn't have assumed your hard-worked creation was at fault so easily.

At the same time, based on the results of the tests I conducted, my logic was neither so skewed nor so menacing to prevent someone from taking one moment to sympathize with my situation.

I understood that you were upset at my comment since this is your work. So I started with an admittance and then asked you to calm down; I did not wish to quarrel.
I avoid shit because it smells, not because it's scary.

I appreciate your help with the missed detail of Def_ui. Disabling it helped with the perk page, but introduced a new problem with the data tab.
Based on our not-so-friendly first greetings, I won't be expecting your further help. But thanks anyway for suggesting a direction despite being upset.

[effrenatus]

Tested with AAF Version 133b, and 139b.

I spend DAYS tracking down the issue, doing all kinds of things with my mod setup. RIP weekends.

It occured to me while reducing my mod setup for a more minimal playthrough, after a for some reason (Sim Settlements) very unstable one, where the issue also happened often but iirc at what feels like random. Now, I am not using any sorting mod, no Perk changes except an "Idiot Savant to Intellectual Slut" mod, but removing this changes nothing. And I use DEV_HUD, not the UI, and no HUD-Framework or anything dependant on that anymore. Still I reliably have this problem. I finally tracked it down: deleting Interfaces/AAF.swf resolves that.

I tried several times:Removing DEV_HUD has no influence.

 

1. Is there any solution available? Did not find any.
2. What will happen if I delete this file and continue playing? Will AAF work fine, but just "dark" without HUD? This question is especially important for me.

 

I would be extremely thankful if you cound give me further experiences or additional useful hints.

 

On 6/28/2020 at 2:21 PM, mashup47 said:

More recently people have been reporting this with DEF UI that's why i mention it but for me it was an old AAF patch for animation but please do report back if you find the answer.

Which AAF patch was that in your case?

[dagobaking]

No. AAF will not work if you delete AAF.swf. The vast majority of its code is in that file.

 

My advice is to choose which mod is most important to you between AAF and these UI mods and only install that one.

[effrenatus]

7 hours ago, dagobaking said:

No. AAF will not work if you delete AAF.swf. The vast majority of its code is in that file.

Holy shit. Maybe this is the reason why it kills the game when together with any more swf based additions.

 

After more trial and error, I seem to have a fairly stable built now. Posting that here for those who seek salvation after me. I minimized the swf based mods as far as possible, and it runs with a bare minimum: Even the basic DEF_UI-only is too much and I removed it (this makes me really sad). Also, I could only install the small Vanilla AAF Theme. It will already crash when I install the Vanilla-Kinky-Creature Theme. I now only havte that and Vault Girl.

 

Geez, I tought Skyrim modding was a bitch, but THIS... I really really wonder why now it is so easy to overburden the flash thing. Did AAF grow? Does it make a difference how many animations packs I installed? I don't dare to touch the latter because it was hard work to get AAF to run at all.

Any ideas?

[mashup47]

28 minutes ago, effrenatus said:

Holy shit. Maybe this is the reason why it kills the game when together with any more swf based additions.

 

After more trial and error, I seem to have a fairly stable built now. Posting that here for those who seek salvation after me. I minimized the swf based mods as far as possible, and it runs with a bare minimum: Even the basic DEF_UI-only is too much and I removed it (this makes me really sad). Also, I could only install the small Vanilla AAF Theme. It will already crash when I install the Vanilla-Kinky-Creature Theme. I now only havte that and Vault Girl.

 

Geez, I tought Skyrim modding was a bitch, but THIS... I really really wonder why now it is so easy to overburden the flash thing. Did AAF grow? Does it make a difference how many animations packs I installed? I don't dare to touch the latter because it was hard work to get AAF to run at all.

Any ideas?

The amount of animation pack's should not matter so long as you have all needed files to go with them. There is a More complete  modded game load order that can be found here: 

. and yes there is a install section for AAF which will lead to here: https://www.loverslab.com/topic/139374-aaf-up-to-date-adult-oriented-setup-guide-03july2020/ .

 

[ikmyuong]

1 hour ago, effrenatus said:

Holy shit. Maybe this is the reason why it kills the game when together with any more swf based additions.

 

After more trial and error, I seem to have a fairly stable built now. Posting that here for those who seek salvation after me. I minimized the swf based mods as far as possible, and it runs with a bare minimum: Even the basic DEF_UI-only is too much and I removed it (this makes me really sad). Also, I could only install the small Vanilla AAF Theme. It will already crash when I install the Vanilla-Kinky-Creature Theme. I now only havte that and Vault Girl.

 

Geez, I tought Skyrim modding was a bitch, but THIS... I really really wonder why now it is so easy to overburden the flash thing. Did AAF grow? Does it make a difference how many animations packs I installed? I don't dare to touch the latter because it was hard work to get AAF to run at all.

Any ideas?

Are you using Horizon? been eyeing on this thread cos' I'm trying to use Horizon like OP

[thehotness]

1 hour ago, effrenatus said:

Holy shit. Maybe this is the reason why it kills the game when together with any more swf based additions.

 

After more trial and error, I seem to have a fairly stable built now. Posting that here for those who seek salvation after me. I minimized the swf based mods as far as possible, and it runs with a bare minimum: Even the basic DEF_UI-only is too much and I removed it (this makes me really sad). Also, I could only install the small Vanilla AAF Theme. It will already crash when I install the Vanilla-Kinky-Creature Theme. I now only havte that and Vault Girl.

 

Geez, I tought Skyrim modding was a bitch, but THIS... I really really wonder why now it is so easy to overburden the flash thing. Did AAF grow? Does it make a difference how many animations packs I installed? I don't dare to touch the latter because it was hard work to get AAF to run at all.

Any ideas?

Yes, if I'm not wrong, according to the AAF discord help, the more animation packs, the more xmls there are, the more likely you are to crash. From what I understand there is only a fixed amount of flash resource available to use. HUD/Interface elements (which sim settlements, horizons, survival mods, better locational damage, vault girl, active effects, sorting mods, as well as AAF) - consume these resources.

That said, I'm running AAF with all animations/xmls, Vault girl, sim-settlements and conquerors as well as better locational damage WITHOUT crashes. So it is possible. I just turn off the HUD elements of sim-settlements and conquerors until I am in workshop mode. Perhaps there are some sorting mods eg VIS-G that you are using? 

[dagobaking]

On 7/6/2020 at 3:58 AM, effrenatus said:

Holy shit. Maybe this is the reason why it kills the game when together with any more swf based additions.

 

After more trial and error, I seem to have a fairly stable built now. Posting that here for those who seek salvation after me. I minimized the swf based mods as far as possible, and it runs with a bare minimum: Even the basic DEF_UI-only is too much and I removed it (this makes me really sad). Also, I could only install the small Vanilla AAF Theme. It will already crash when I install the Vanilla-Kinky-Creature Theme. I now only havte that and Vault Girl.

 

Geez, I tought Skyrim modding was a bitch, but THIS... I really really wonder why now it is so easy to overburden the flash thing. Did AAF grow? Does it make a difference how many animations packs I installed? I don't dare to touch the latter because it was hard work to get AAF to run at all.

Any ideas?

 

On 7/6/2020 at 5:39 AM, thehotness said:

Yes, if I'm not wrong, according to the AAF discord help, the more animation packs, the more xmls there are, the more likely you are to crash. From what I understand there is only a fixed amount of flash resource available to use. HUD/Interface elements (which sim settlements, horizons, survival mods, better locational damage, vault girl, active effects, sorting mods, as well as AAF) - consume these resources.

That said, I'm running AAF with all animations/xmls, Vault girl, sim-settlements and conquerors as well as better locational damage WITHOUT crashes. So it is possible. I just turn off the HUD elements of sim-settlements and conquerors until I am in workshop mode. Perhaps there are some sorting mods eg VIS-G that you are using? 

 

It is possible that the swf-based mods could improve memory use with information from this: https://jpauclair.net/2009/12/23/tamarin-part-iii-current-garbage-collector-in-flash-10-0/

[PepperDog017]

I have this "bug". Perk page will eventually CTD without fail. Mods I use that affect UI in any way are: DEF_UI, DEF_UI Iconlibs rescaled and fixed, HUDFramework + DEF_UI compatch, AAF, FDI, Sim Settlements, Ruddy's Simple Sorter (NO VIS/VIS-G here!), Better Console*, No More CC News* (* = yes these mods include "modified" swf files!). Nothing out of the ordinary here. I have edited the DEF_INV.xml to not show icons in the pipboy, but I still get the crash eventually. First time or 3 opening the perk page might be OK, but after a little while it is certain to CTD. I don't think it's any one mod causing it. As thehotness said above -- you just eventually run out of available flash resources. I actually had a pretty much stable setup, it was only after adding in a shitload of sorted items (and the icons to go with...) did the problem show up.

 

Maybe a stupid question but has anyone just made a super basic LevelUpMenu.swf? I mean the stock one is 3.4MB -- that's way, way bigger than all other swf files in the stock data/interface folder...nearly as large as all of them combined! Sadly I do not have the expertise to do this at the moment...

 

One possible fix (I am testing this now) is to use https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/28822 . That way the LevelUpMenu.swf file is just 58K. Not nearly as pretty as the stock one, but I'll take it if it fixes the problem!

 

[Lyonsx]

Hey guy's and girls!! I think found a fix for this...sorry for my english and grammer! Well I have most all (Mostly) mods everyone have "HUD-Framework, AAF and Horizon, Vault Girl", Well I been looking through forums, and Discord help! but I have remember a mod that had "Horizon Patch" and it was AJ's XML mod! I downloaded it and install it with MO2 and BAM Perk and Data tab working!!!! I know the lastest AAF guide says avoid it, but!!! With just that patch everything work!! I don't know what the downfall using that but it works for me with Horizon and Vault girl, and AAF, and HUD Framework!

[PepperDog017]

Credit to @sayascarlett on the AAF discord server for pointing me to this fix, at long last!

 

I have a different fix that seems to be working for me... Just don't use DEF_HUD. Something about that HUDMenu.swf vs. AAF, SimSettlements, HUD Framework (+ DEF_UI compatch) is just too much. Bottom line is, re-install DEF_UI, but UNCHECK DEF_HUD. No more perk page CTD here. Also see