Computer Restarts While In Game

[Dragoncoc696969]

Specs:

Cpu : Intel core i3 4130 (3.4 Ghz)

Gpu : Sapphire RX 580 8GB 

Ram : 8GB [1333 & 1600]

Psu : 650W Antec Bronze (continuous power)

HDD : Seagate 2TB (5400 rpm)

 

Has anyone ever faced this type of problem? While playing game, from time to time my pc restarts and every time when i try to use smith. I have lots of cloth & armor mod, therefore a big list at smith. Restart happens other times to at random. When restarts happens, sometimes on screen glitch appears. I play other games at max graphics quality but this doesn't happen. I stress tested my cpu, gpu & ram. But restart doesn't happen. Can anyone help me figure out the problem here, it would be great help. Here is my papyrus log before a restart & a glitch picture (from internet but its the same)

PapyrusUtilDev.log0

[donttouchmethere]

WOW I only saw that one

> if my old gaming Laptop overheats in summer

> on my old PC if my graphic card got too hot in summer

> on a very old PC before the graphic card died (probably also from overheating)

> on an old PC with a dying motherboard (guess the BIOS battery died, because the PC clock said "bye-bye" too, PC randomly deactivated, sometimes PC speaker warning (same as if there is a short somewhere))

 

My newest PC has all the cooling I could get and if I use my new gaming laptop in summer I put something below it so air can circulate.

Took me long enough to learn right? ??️

[Monoman1]

To me, looks like a dying GPU. Have seen similar before. 

Is it overclocked maybe?

 

Prepare for the worst unfortunately. 

 

Is it under warrenty? If it is I'd try my best to break it completely. Run a GPU stressing application. 

[steelpanther24]

42 minutes ago, Dragoncoc696969 said:

Specs:

Cpu : Intel core i3 4130 (3.4 Ghz)

Gpu : Sapphire RX 580 8GB 

Ram : 8GB [1333 & 1600]

Psu : 650W Antec Bronze (continuous power)

HDD : Seagate 2TB (5400 rpm)

 

Has anyone ever faced this type of problem? While playing game, from time to time my pc restarts and every time when i try to use smith. I have lots of cloth & armor mod, therefore a big list at smith. Restart happens other times to at random. When restarts happens, sometimes on screen glitch appears. I play other games at max graphics quality but this doesn't happen. I stress tested my cpu, gpu & ram. But restart doesn't happen. Can anyone help me figure out the problem here, it would be great help. Here is my papyrus log before a restart & a glitch picture (from internet but its the same)

PapyrusUtilDev.log0 92.33 kB · 0 downloads

When was the last time you scanned your hard drive for corrupt files?    Restarts like this (especially if they occur at the same time/place often) may be due to a corrupt file  location, though......that should result in a CTD.   I have never ran into this issue since around the mid 90s (would happen often when the old external 1 MB hard drives that were "cheap").

 

That said, I think the others may be closer to the cause though, that GPU isn't that old, but maybe you are just unlucky and got one that broke.

[Mez558]

I'm with Mono and DontTouchMe, this looks like GPU failure.

 

That RX580, did you buy it used or new?

 

Only reason I ask is they were popular mining cards and lot ended up on Ebay.

[coolfreaky]

it might be a ram failure and 2 different type also ( generally best identical )

 

for the smith cloth/armor  you must have remodelled armor  : or you remove the file.esp or you go to tessEdit and remake them levelled .

(i have deleted all what have been added in green except the bikini) 

[Dragoncoc696969]

3 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

WOW I only saw that one

> if my old gaming Laptop overheats in summer

> on my old PC if my graphic card got too hot in summer

> on a very old PC before the graphic card died (probably also from overheating)

> on an old PC with a dying motherboard (guess the BIOS battery died, because the PC clock said "bye-bye" too)

 

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

To me, looks like a dying GPU. Have seen similar before. 

Is it overclocked maybe?

 

Prepare for the worst unfortunately. 

 

Is it under warrenty? If it is I'd try my best to break it completely. Run a GPU stressing application. 

 

2 hours ago, Mez558 said:

I'm with Mono and DontTouchMe, this looks like GPU failure.

 

That RX580, did you buy it used or new?

 

Only reason I ask is they were popular mining cards and lot ended up on Ebay.

It is a used gpu. I tested it on furmark for some time & running it now. It heats up but never past 70 unless the fans are off. Im currently playing FC 5 & AC odyssey on ultra and never had to face such problem.

 

what bugs me is that this gpu was already overclocked by the company from 1257 to 1411 mhz. In game gpu automatically uses 1411 but on furmark its capped to 1257. Could it be because of overclocking this stability issue is happening and why in skyrim se on random occasion. I could try disabling the ENB and try the smith.

[Mez558]

10 minutes ago, Dragoncoc696969 said:

 

 

It is a used gpu. I tested it on furmark for some time & running it now. It heats up but never past 70 unless the fans are off. Im currently playing FC 5 & AC odyssey on ultra and never had to face such problem.

 

what bugs me is that this gpu was already overclocked by the company from 1257 to 1411 mhz. In game gpu automatically uses 1411 but on furmark its capped to 1257. Could it be because of overclocking this stability issue is happening and why in skyrim se on random occasion. I could try disabling the ENB and try the smith.

 

I found with Skyrim LE with ENB and some texture overhauls (and this is only at 1080 as that is all my monitor can handle) my GTX 1080ti gets hotter than when running TW3 with a complete texture overhaul. I can't explain that, I don't have the knowledge, 27X probably could. So, even with the age of the game, Skyrim SE might be pushing your GPU more than any other game you have. Why it would do it when smithing I could not say.

Also, think I read something about Boris not bothering with AMD (Radeon) support with ENB. I could have imagined that or just not understood what I was reading.

[donttouchmethere]

20 minutes ago, Dragoncoc696969 said:

never past 70

I hope you don't mean 70°C ?

 

Those regular vertical bars on your screen are typical for a graphic card that overheats or wants to die of other causes.

I know those bars all to well and they are scary ?

 

I saw those if my PC/Laptop overheated or after my Laptop got a not so consensual dose of energy drink.

BUT!

I also saw something like that with a defect/loose HDMI cable.

 

The odd thing in your case is that your PC restarts. Never had that, my overheated PC/Laptop only always powered down.

Also odd that other games still work, maybe those don't ask too much of your graphic card?

 

The last thing I could imagine is maybe the Screen refresh rate?

Still this wouldn't restart your PC.

 

[nexu55555]

One thing that can be quite tricky to figure out could be your power supply. I had this problem with a vega64. Each stress test (except for userbenchmark) ran smoothly. But in certain games the PC kept restarting. I solved this problem by replacing the PSU with a bigger one (500W -> 1000W. Even 750W weren't enough). Long story short, if you don't suspect your graphics card to be the culprit, remember to check your PSU as well. Sudden restarts can be triggered by overvoltage protection from your mainboard or PSU internal safety mechanisms. Overclocked hardware consumes significantly more power. 

[RW311]

Shut off pc. Remove and re-seat ram and gpu.

Reset bios to factory, power off unplug and remove motherboard battery for at least 60 seconds.

Don't o/c anything in bios. If problem persists after that remove gpu drivers while in safe mod and use tool to completely remove them then reinstall.

Go to gpu driver settings and set all fans to never shut off..

The gpu drivers from amd have caused this problem on many pcs I've seen due to a bug causing them in some cases to not come on or not do enough to keep power components cooled and this will not show up in stress test because the fans will ramp up to full speed but in everyday use they will not. I don't know if they ever fixed this I always go to driver settings and set it so fans will never shut off, in my opinion fans shutting off should be user option not default because so many variables that can make this a terrible idea. Sff cases or few or no case fans and having gpu fan shut off means it will o/h the vrms just from going to website with a lot of images.

 

[donttouchmethere]

9 minutes ago, RW311 said:

Go to gpu driver settings and set all fans to never shut off..

That's actually a good idea (too late for my old graphic cards tho ?)

[Dragoncoc696969]

23 minutes ago, RW311 said:

Shut off pc. Remove and re-seat ram and gpu.

Reset bios to factory, power off unplug and remove motherboard battery for at least 60 seconds.

Don't o/c anything in bios. If problem persists after that remove gpu drivers while in safe mod and use tool to completely remove them then reinstall.

Go to gpu driver settings and set all fans to never shut off..

The gpu drivers from amd have caused this problem on many pcs I've seen due to a bug causing them in some cases to not come on or not do enough to keep power components cooled and this will not show up in stress test because the fans will ramp up to full speed but in everyday use they will not. I don't know if they ever fixed this I always go to driver settings and set it so fans will never shut off, in my opinion fans shutting off should be user option not default because so many variables that can make this a terrible idea. Sff cases or few or no case fans and having gpu fan shut off means it will o/h the vrms just from going to website with a lot of images.

 

Amd drivers were never good in my opinion, using amd from 2011. I just updated my driver to the may's edition. Still some bugs left in it. For some reason amd adrenaline keeps the fan off even at 40. I noticed this long ago & used MSI afterburner to set a fan chart. On average when gaming i see gpu around 56 & fan at 60 when in skirim se (through msi afterburner) 
i did a total reset a month back when cleaning pc. But ill do it again soon, almost time for cleaning.

 

 

 

36 minutes ago, nexu55555 said:

One thing that can be quite tricky to figure out could be your power supply. I had this problem with a vega64. Each stress test (except for userbenchmark) ran smoothly. But in certain games the PC kept restarting. I solved this problem by replacing the PSU with a bigger one (500W -> 1000W. Even 750W weren't enough). Long story short, if you don't suspect your graphics card to be the culprit, remember to check your PSU as well. Sudden restarts can be triggered by overvoltage protection from your mainboard or PSU internal safety mechanisms. Overclocked hardware consumes significantly more power. 

power usage never went over 120w (not average but the max) & in stress test its at 170w max. PSU could be the culprit, more than gpu but can't say for sure as everything is still running.

 

 

 

43 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

I hope you don't mean 70°C ?

 

Those regular vertical bars on your screen are typical for a graphic card that overheats or wants to die of other causes.

I know those bars all to well and they are scary ?

 

I saw those if my PC/Laptop overheated or after my Laptop got a not so consensual dose of energy drink.

BUT!

I also saw something like that with a defect/loose HDMI cable.

 

The odd thing in your case is that your PC restarts. Never had that, my overheated PC/Laptop only always powered down.

Also odd that other games still work, maybe those don't ask too much of your graphic card?

 

The last thing I could imagine is maybe the Screen refresh rate?

Still this wouldn't restart your PC.

70 at max, on average 56 degree with 60% fan speed.

 

 

 

56 minutes ago, Mez558 said:

 

I found with Skyrim LE with ENB and some texture overhauls (and this is only at 1080 as that is all my monitor can handle) my GTX 1080ti gets hotter than when running TW3 with a complete texture overhaul. I can't explain that, I don't have the knowledge, 27X probably could. So, even with the age of the game, Skyrim SE might be pushing your GPU more than any other game you have. Why it would do it when smithing I could not say.

Also, think I read something about Boris not bothering with AMD (Radeon) support with ENB. I could have imagined that or just not understood what I was reading.

When i start scrolling the vast smiting items fast, restart happens. For that i kinda suspect ram!

[nexu55555]

Did you measure the power usage with software or a wattmeter? I don't think software is able to measure it exactly/fast enough. There may be peaks between the measurement intervals that could be read by a wattmeter. Software is only able to give you results while everything is running okay. I saw differences in power usage ranging from 350W in average to 1050W during heavy load scenarios.

1 hour ago, Dragoncoc696969 said:

When i start scrolling the vast smiting items fast, restart happens. For that i kinda suspect ram!

Did you run memtest?

[Dragoncoc696969]

14 hours ago, nexu55555 said:

Did you measure the power usage with software or a wattmeter? I don't think software is able to measure it exactly/fast enough. There may be peaks between the measurement intervals that could be read by a wattmeter. Software is only able to give you results while everything is running okay. I saw differences in power usage ranging from 350W in average to 1050W during heavy load scenarios.

Did you run memtest?

I've been thinking of buying a watt meter for a while now, but because of the lockdown, i wasn't able to. I will buy it asap & check if the psu is faulty. This psu i got is a replacement for the same model that got busted by an power outage 8 months back.

Yes i ran ram stress test along with gpu & cpu stress test. One thing i couldn't measure with stress test is the HDD. 

[coolfreaky]

if your ram is ok !    you might need more memory , you can in win10 virtual memory set and give more virtual memory :

https://www.geeksinphoenix.com/blog/post/2016/05/10/how-to-manage-windows-10-virtual-memory.aspx