Break Armor Framework

[gerra6]

No change. The only thing that my very crude lovers esp does is enable automatic armor damage during sex. There is no equivalent for clothing at this time' date=' the only way to make it work in the existing framework would be to have certain sex acts damage health and/or fatigue.

 

Now, once I get time to spare from the Pose Converter project, I have a couple of ideas for an alternate system for managing clothing break states. I'll see what I can come up with, no guarantees.

[/quote']

 

Nah, sorry, my words were somewhat misleading. How to break clothes isn't what I'm asking about.

 

You see, non-ba clothes or non-ba armors 'should be' undressed when sex act occurs. Breakable clothings may remain dressed because they will break. You can probably disable that of non-ba clothes or non-ba meshes.

 

Yeah, it's pretty crude at the moment. I'll probably do a bit of work on the Lovers BreakArmor plugin once I have time.

[GSBmodders]

testing out your new 1.09b plugin. so far only found 2 issues' date=' albeit there pretty serious in my opionion, fist off when you load your save, it seems to have a chance of just outright breaking whatever armor your wearing on load, when its initializing. had 100 full repaired armor just break on reload when i died. also walking in or out of major citys (anvil) gates seem to cause an almost guarenteed crash, doesnt seem to happen when you fast travel but 9 times out of 10 when i walk in or out of a big city manually the game goes postal on itself.

 

othere than those the new system actually works better than the old.

[/quote']

 

Thanks for the report.

 

First I need to know, are you also running BU dungeons at the same time with BU Disabler? Or are you running the BU framework with the BU Disabler? Or is this a report on vanilla Break Armor running on a clean save?

 

another important question is: do you have autosave turned on? Autosave is bad, it will cause bloat, corrupt saves and it will eventually cause the crashes that you are describing.

 

alright, in order, no old BU content at all. it was a clean save cause the old 1.8 would crash everytime i fast traveled period so i wasnt using it. and yea autosave is on, i can turn that off but how would one go about cleaning up save "bloat

 

bash can do that but once you get to the point that you crash going through area transitions I think you are screwed. the best thing to do would be start a new character coc weye out of the tutorial dungeon and then go test the area that is causing you grief

 

If you have bash and you are using loverspk mods be sure that you are not patching them. Certain setbody mods should not be patched either as they have lpk requirements

 

once you have a good bash patch (required if you use bash) go right on ahead and test the area

[movomo]

Hmm, would you check this out later?

 

There is an npc named Irene Metrick in the Elven Garden district. She is wearing a set of leather armor. Its health is sometimes 100, or sometimes 2 ( I don't know why. I suspect that it's because of Nudeshy. It was always 100 if I disable Nudeshy.)

I have 2 sets of leather armor in different health, and enter the elven garden with/or without wearing them.

 

Sometimes this caused CTD. (not guaranteed. it occured literally sometimes.) And sometimes, if I wear the leather armor in my inventory, it looked like Irene's while mine's health is 98. (Irene's was 2)

 

What I'm saying is, when an npc wears the same armor as mine with different health it caused CTDs or strange behavior.

 

BA may be or may not be the cause. I'm still wondering exactly what caused this CTD.

 

Or it may be simply because autosave setting. I forgot to test about that. I'll test this later.

 

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edit: nvm, I think those CTDs were because BA or something wasn't initialized enough. It seems that CTD occurs when I try to enter the elven garden as soon as my test save game is loaded.

[gerra6]

 

What I'm saying is' date=' when an npc wears the same armor as mine with different health it caused CTDs or strange behavior.[/quote']

 

It shouldn't, at least not from anything that BreakArmor is doing.

 

From your description, my guess is that one of the mods that you have installed is temporarily storing items in a container in some test cell somewhere. This is a fairly standard technique for unequipping/re-equipping clothing (which is used for lots of things). Unfortunately, it is also incredibly buggy if it happens to remove items with the same formID from more than one NPC and then store them in the same container at the same time.

 

BreakArmor approaches the problem in a completely different way. First, it only processes a single NPC at a time (which minimizes CPU load and eliminates lots of potential conflicts). Second, rather than store removed clothing, it actually destroys it, and then re-creates it in the next frame. For whatever stupid reason, this was both faster and more reliable than any other approach I attempted.

[Bashis]

ok, so i had to completely reinstall oblivion for various reasons, so this time it was right of the ship (alternate start) and literally all i have besides breakarmor at this point is texture/mesh replaces, abbout 6 custom armor/weapons in boxes (most of which are in test hall) the mbp++ complete pack, xeosp++, roberts male replacer, darkdarn UI and the natural environments mod, and i still crash every time i walk into a major city only when break armor is on (walk right off the boat into anvil). turned autosave off before i even made a character, so its not bloat or anything. only thing i can think of is maybe the bulk of the added races from mbp or xeosp is causing it to crash, but those are needed for a few good lovers plugins. so ive fixed every possible issue you said it might be since the last time ive reported about this and still nuthin.

 

o yea, i also have aflevel mod and keychain if for some reason those matter.

[gregathit]

Bashis, post your full load order (might be best if you did this in technical help section here: http://www.loverslab.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=53

 

It could be a mod conflict or even just a load order issue. It is hard to tell without all the info.

[borninmarch]

Sorry for my poor english. I'm not living in english-speaking world.

 

This Mod is the very thing that I have been looking for. Thanks for your gift.

 

But I have a serious problem.

 

When I use BA 1.09b with Vanilla Breakarmor,

(http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=13518 )

 

game crashed in the Imperial City nine over ten.

 

When I move one area to other, like Marcket Strict to Elven Garden, then CTD happened. Only try to move other area.

 

unchecked BreakArmor.esp, then CTD did not occur.

 

What's the Problem?

 

Same problem occur New game or after making clean save.

[gerra6]

Just a quick question to the folks experiencing crashing.

 

Do you experience it both with 1.09.b and 1.08? Or is this a 1.09.b specific issue?

 

The only thing that 1.09.b adds is the ability to run BreakArmor without an external ini file (other than the BreakArmor settings file).

 

Please test BreakArmor 1.08 (still available in the first page) and let me know if you also experience crashes with 1.08.

 

It's going to be a bit longer before I have any time to devote to tracking down bugs, unfortunately, but 1.08 should still be as solid as ever.

 

If you experience crashes with both 1.08 and 1.09.b, then there is either some crazy conflict somewhere, an issue with your OBSE install, or some other weirdness.

[Bashis]

Just a quick question to the folks experiencing crashing.

 

Do you experience it both with 1.09.b and 1.08? Or is this a 1.09.b specific issue?

 

The only thing that 1.09.b adds is the ability to run BreakArmor without an external ini file (other than the BreakArmor settings file).

 

Please test BreakArmor 1.08 (still available in the first page) and let me know if you also experience crashes with 1.08.

 

It's going to be a bit longer before I have any time to devote to tracking down bugs' date=' unfortunately, but 1.08 should still be as solid as ever.

 

If you experience crashes with both 1.08 and 1.09.b, then there is either some crazy conflict somewhere, an issue with your OBSE install, or some other weirdness.

[/quote']

 

ill try 1.08 later today or tommorw and let you know, but as far as troubleshooting that one, ive finished reinstalling my oblivion to full capacity, so my load orders impossible to troubleshoot anymore, so if 1.08 doesnt work for me i wouldnt worry about it.

[gerra6]

ill try 1.08 later today or tommorw and let you know' date=' but as far as troubleshooting that one, ive finished reinstalling my oblivion to full capacity, so my load orders impossible to troubleshoot anymore, so if 1.08 doesnt work for me i wouldnt worry about it.

[/quote']

 

Please also post your load order when you get the chance. If there are mods out there that conflict with BreakArmor, I'd like to see which ones they are.

 

One other thing, although I will vouch for the stability of 1.08, I will not vouch for the stability of LoversBreakArmor or BUDisabler. Those are both very very crude, and could very easily be the source of many problems.

[borninmarch]

Sadly, I uninstalled BA1.09b and installed BA 1.08 after made clean save, but the problem(CTD after moving area in Imperial City) could not be fixed.

 

Here is my Load Order.

 

 

 

 

Oblivion.esm

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm

RaceMaster.esm

x117race.esm

Chanpon.esm

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm

CLS-Craftybits.esm

BathingMod.esm

MD_Saddle_Master.esm

TamrielTravellers.esm

HorseCombatMaster.esm

Lovers with PK.esm

LoversCreature.esm

TamagoClub.esm

HiyokoClub.esm

Short Grass V3.esp

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

Knights.esp

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul - Knights of Nine.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCFrostcrag.esp

DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp

DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp

AsharasSirensAndTritons.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Ashara's Sirens and Tritons.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp

DiabloEF 6 in 1.esp

x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp

x117race.esp

x117Race ENG Race.esp

Lop-ears Elf.esp

Lop-ears Elf_mini.esp

FFRace.esp

FFRace_MS.esp

FormID Finder4.esp

Active_Inventory_Spell_1.2.esp

Enhanced Hotkeys.esp

SupremeMagicka.esp

SM_ShiveringIsles.esp

SM_Scrolls.esp

SM_SigilStone.esp

SM_DLCSpellTome.esp

SM_EnchantStaff.esp

SM_OOO.esp

sr_enhanced_magic_system.esp

MD Saddlebags v3.0.esp

MD Saddlebags v3.0 Alternative Trader Script.esp

CLS-Craftybits.esp

CB-DepositsForges.esp

CB-BeeEnhancement.esp

CB-OOO_BuckGlue.esp

CB-Weights_Hard.esp

Basic Primary Needs.esp

AkaviriKojimEx2.esp

RealisticFatigue.esp

MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp

Energy - Runes.esp

EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp

EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp

EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp

EVE_KhajiitFix.esp

EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp

sitdown.esp

See You Sleep DLL.esp

See You Sleep DLL - Vampire Bedroll Anims.esp

See You Sleep DLL - DLCVileLair.esp

CaptiveMaiden.esp

Ta22's NPCs_NENR.esp

TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp

ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp

TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp

ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions.esp

BreakArmor.esp

Nudeshy X.esp

UnderSewerHouse.esp

nudeshyceadb.esp

nudeshynudejail.esp

MaternityClothes.esp

Vanilla Maternity Clothes.esp

FuroGeneratorTrap.esp

SetBody.esp

TamagoShop.esp

TamagoTopic.esp

TamagoConfide.esp

LoversTamagoClub.esp

LoversEncounter.esp

HiyokoGenerator.esp

HiyokoGeneratorCreature.esp

TamagoSetBody.esp

LoversAphrodisia.esp

LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp

LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp

LoversVoiceGHN_TH.esp

LoversVoiceGH_TH.esp

LoversVoiceSSPx117.esp

LoversVoiceGH++2K_TH.esp

LoversRaperS.esp

LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp

LoversNTRburglar.esp

LoversSlaveTrader.esp

LoversLoveMucus.esp

LoversSpermTrap.esp

LoversPayBandit.esp

LoversProstitute.esp

LoversClubCats.esp

LoversClubCatsSx.esp

LoversRapeman.esp

PlayerSlaveEncounters_v0.55.esp

DarkBloodline.esp

LSTBravilUnderground.esp

LoversGGBlackmail.esp

LoversMB2.esp

Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp

Lovers with PK.esp

LoversCreature.esp

LoversMotionsNT.esp

LoversFSE.esp

LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp

LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

Lovers3dorgasm.esp

DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp

Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block and 250% damage.esp

Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp

Deadly Reflex 6 - HeX NifSE Patch.esp

SM_DeadlyReflex.esp

 

 

 

 

I really want to use BA system and Vanilla BA replacer. Please help..

[gerra6]

Sadly' date=' I uninstalled BA1.09b and installed BA 1.08 after made clean save, but the problem(CTD after moving area in Imperial City) could not be fixed.

 

Here is my Load Order.

 

I really want to use BA system and Vanilla BA replacer. Please help..

[/quote']

 

For testing purposes only, temporarily disable Nudeshy and see if you still get the crashes (although Nudeshy and BreakArmor should get along).

 

Also, I don't see a bashed patch in the mix there. Are you using Wrye Bash?

[borninmarch]

Sadly' date=' I uninstalled BA1.09b and installed BA 1.08 after made clean save, but the problem(CTD after moving area in Imperial City) could not be fixed.

 

Here is my Load Order.

 

I really want to use BA system and Vanilla BA replacer. Please help..

[/quote']

 

For testing purposes only, temporarily disable Nudeshy and see if you still get the crashes (although Nudeshy and BreakArmor should get along).

 

Also, I don't see a bashed patch in the mix there. Are you using Wrye Bash?

 

Oh, Thanks for your quick reply. I appreciate your kind response.

 

But the problem is still exist. I disabled Nudeshy but I still get the crashes.

 

Ah, there is an misprint in my load order. I've been using bashed patch, and bashed patch.esp is placed the last of load order.

 

 

LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp

LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

Lovers3dorgasm.esp

DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp

Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block and 250% damage.esp

Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp

Deadly Reflex 6 - HeX NifSE Patch.esp

SM_DeadlyReflex.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

[movomo]

Crap, this shouldn't be happening.

 

I've tested it on vanilla, and noticed several CTDs when I attempted to enter the elven garden district. It doesn't seem to be guaranteed, but (strangely enough) it was more frequent than my messy nasty previous oblivion folder. ( It was okay before as long as I wait a few seconds after loading a save)

& Fast travel seems to prevent CTD by some more chance. Not sure.

 

My load order.

 

Oblivion.esm

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

SkipTutorialv3.esp

BreakArmor.esp

 

nothing other than BA 1.09b (no ini)/ OBSE 0020 / Universal skeleton / Vanilla BA 130101

 

I shall test this on my original folder with a new character, and report it in a few minutes.

 

=================================

 

Edit.

Very. Weird. If I turn back to my messy oblivion, no crash. I *suspect* that streamline or something is preventing the crash. I post my load order in advance.

 

 

Oblivion.esm

GTAesgaard_2.esm

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm

Lovers with PK.esm

LoversCreature.esm

TamagoClub.esm

HiyokoClub.esm

mpc.esm

Toaster Says Share v3.esm

x117race.esm

CustomSpellIcons.esm

HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - Sc.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp

AIRrace Evy.esp

FFRace.esp

x117 Rabbit Race.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp

ChaseCameraMod.esp

VanityCameraSmoother.esp

Kill_Bruma_Statue.esp

RAEVWD Cities.esp

RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp

RAEVWD Imperial City.esp

Update My Statue.esp

CleanQuit.esp

Living Economy - SI.esp

RMDailyIncomeV2.esp

Custom Autosave.esp

Purge Cell Buffers - Loading.esp

Streamline 2.1.esp

Map Markers Be Done -Elys-.esp

HotkeyCasting.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp

DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp

MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp

AW_Wings.esp

BlackLuster.esp

CapesandCloaks.esp

CHILDREN ANNUAD WIGS.esp

Hentai_Lily_Angel'sWing.esp

HentaiSchoolGirlCollection.esp

HentaiSeraphimArmour.esp

Hentai_Seraphim_Blade.esp

Jov'sMagesGloves.esp

PEDress.esp

Plate of the Shadow.esp

Schwertleite Armor.esp

SwordDancer.esp

Tyrael Armor.esp

witchkingsword.esp

ArynnsDrowWitchHGEC.esp

DarkRoseSet.esp

Hentai_Juliet_Uniform.esp

R18PN - Bikini Re-Textured.esp

R18PN - Mizugi set.esp

TGND Fantabulous Formal Dresses.esp

RealBanditsAndHighwaymen.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp

ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp

bladesfactionmod.esp

GTAesgaard.esp

GTAesgaard_2.esp

Gates To Aesgaard 2 Delayer.esp

Servant of the Dawn.esp

Tona's_ModsStore.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCFrostcrag.esp

DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp

Knights.esp

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp

The Lost Spires.esp

Moriarcis.esp

Real Lava 1.3.esp

Automatic Difficulty Increaser.esp

Bag of Alchemy.esp

MONSTERGIRL-CoC.esp

CHILDREN ANNUAD.esp

Jarol's NPC Leveled Equipment.esp

SetBody.esp

AutoSetBody.esp

SetBodyNoBB.esp

university cosmetics-no orrery dome.esp

Quest Award Leveller.esp

Vampire Aging Disabled.esp

Remote Life Detect.esp

Smite of Order.esp

The Arcane Storage.esp

Enchantment Splitter.esp

Enchantment Splitter - Frostcrag.esp

Staffcraft.esp

Toaster's Legendary Skills & Stats.esp

Toaster's Legendary Mastery.esp

shinyEmotions.esp

SexyWitchPoses.esp

Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp

CSR Balanced.esp

Companion Postal Service.esp

GW71_Life_Detect.esp

WNewShockBoltEffects20.esp

LightSpellTorch.esp

MiniMap.esp

See You Sleep DLL.esp

See You Sleep DLL - Vampire Bedroll Anims.esp

See You Sleep DLL - DLCVileLair.esp

MOVOMO Customs.esp

TheGreatestKorean.esp

delspell.esp

Erin`s Exp Hangul.esp

Beautiful NPC Project combined.esp

leveled master summons.esp

better_forests.esp

mpc_sample.esp

MPC_zzMPC01Cynthia.esp

Better Bruma Statue.esp

00 shield rings.esp

1SB Soulshade Sword.esp

[Hwi]BlackLabel2.esp

Aishabreak.esp

BlessedMageKnightDress.esp

Blood Illusion and Arcania armors for Exnem's body.esp

BSK Break Undies.esp

Cute Summer Wears.esp

Dancing Shadow Rose Break Undies.esp

DawnWraith.esp

DC Maid Costume.esp

Diablorobe.esp

FEZA Vesta Set.esp

Frill Short Dress and Halloween Backpack.esp

GoldenRapier.esp

Gothic Fetish Outfit.esp

heranas_weapon.esp

JUSTICE HGEC Steelarmor Replacer.esp

Knights Armor Refine.esp

knitdress.esp

LegendaryWeapons&Armor_2ch.esp

MH Harvest Melan Armors for BUv2.esp

MH Papimeru Armor for BUv2.esp

MH Khezu Armor.esp

Pregnant Dress.esp

RANs_tL-YAMI.esp

SD2011.esp

SI Playable Clothes.esp

Velveteen_Armor_HGEC.esp

x117Helm_and_Hood.esp

zBUArmors.esp

MOVOMO Madness Claymore.esp

MOVOMO Description Translation.esp

MOVOMO Portable Altar.esp

DivineIntervention.esp

Mark And Recall SI - Lesser Powers.esp

SkipTutorialv3.esp

flyDB.esp

CSR-soundfix.esp

MOVOMO anims.esp

Diverse Effect Icons.esp

Nudeshy X.esp

nudeshyceadb.esp

nudeshynudejail.esp

LoversAphrodisia.esp

LoversAphrodisiaHUD.esp

LoversMB2.esp

LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp

LoversBed.esp

LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp

LoversJoburg.esp

LoversRaperS.esp

LoversRapeSlave.esp

LoversHelpRapeVPlayer.esp

LoversPayBandit.esp

LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp

LoversVoiceSSPx117.esp

LoversLight.esp

LoversFSE.esp

LoversSetScale.esp

Lovers with PK.esp

LoversSoundVolumeDown.esp

LoversCreature.esp

LoversBitch.esp

LoversSlaveTrader.esp

LSTBravilUnderground.esp

LoversCrowningIsle.esp

MaternityClothes.esp

TamagoBreak.esp

LoversTamagoClub.esp

LoversEncounter.esp

HiyokoGenerator.esp

HiyokoGeneratorCreature.esp

HiyokoQuestTarget.esp

LoversVoiceGH_TH.esp

LoversVoiceGH++2K_TH.esp

LoversVoiceGHN_TH.esp

LoversHiyokoShooter.esp

TamagoSetBody.esp

LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp

LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

RealSleepExtended.esp

RealisticFatigue.esp

Vanilla Maternity Clothes.esp

BreakArmor.esp

 

 

[borninmarch]

I have tested it on vanilla, and checked CTD when I enter the city isle.(Imperial Prison -> City Isle)

 

Here is my load order.

 

Oblivion.esm

SkipTutorialv3.esp

BreakArmor.esp

 

version of BA is 1.08 (use BreakArmor_Stock.ini)

[gerra6]

Crap' date=' this shouldn't be happening.

 

I've tested it on vanilla, and noticed several CTDs when I attempted to enter the elven garden district. It doesn't seem to be guaranteed, but (strangely enough) it was more frequent than my messy nasty previous oblivion folder. ( It was okay before as long as I wait a few seconds after loading a save)

& Fast travel seems to prevent CTD by some more chance. Not sure.

 

[/quote']

 

Is there any chance that it could be related to one of the new BU Vanilla meshes?

 

The fact that we are seeing consistent crashing in certain zones and not others implies to me that either there is a NPC with a scripted item that really needs to not be swapped out (which will be a bit of a nightmare to code), or one of the replacement meshes is the source of the problem.

 

I'm not even in a situation where I can run Oblivion at the moment (I should be able to in a few days).

 

Here's a copy of BreakArmor with a couple of debugging options activated. It will print out console spam every time it unequips, equips, or destroys an item (unless I typoed the debug code, in which case it will just crash...fingers crossed).

 

I've also intentionally fucked up the ini file. The delay has been set to .5 seconds, which will slow things down enough to let us spot exactly which NPC the problem is occurring on. I've also set BreakClothing to 0 in case the problem is happening there.

 

BreakClothing support, obviously, hasn't received the amount of testing that BreakArmor has.

 

See if you can spot when the crashes are occurring. Is it the same NPC each time. If not, is it always NPC's wearing the same equipment?

 

If instead there are now BreakClothing meshes in game and they are causing crashes, then that means I'm doing something stupid with my BreakClothing code, and I can probably fix it.

 

If it is a problem with the core BreakArmor code though...hmm...I don't know.

 

*Edit* Just a word of warning to anyone downloading this attachment...it is not intended for general Break Armor use...my debug modifications have made it all but worthless for anything other than testing purposes.

 

*Outdated File Removed*

[gerra6]

I have tested it on vanilla' date=' and checked CTD when I enter the city isle.(Imperial Prison -> City Isle)

 

Here is my load order.

 

Oblivion.esm

SkipTutorialv3.esp

BreakArmor.esp

 

version of BA is 1.08 (use BreakArmor_Stock.ini)

[/quote']

 

Do me a favor and open your BreakArmor ini file.

 

Look for the line

 

set aaBACycle.BreakClothing to 1

 

and change it to

 

set aaBACycle.BreakClothing to 0

 

I want to find out if BreakClothing is causing your crashes, or if it is BreakArmor.

[movomo]

Is there any chance that it could be related to one of the new BU Vanilla meshes?

 

Err... probably not the case. It still crashes even if I delete my files.

 

The fact that we are seeing consistent crashing in certain zones and not others implies to me that either there is a NPC with a scripted item that really needs to not be swapped out (which will be a bit of a nightmare to code)' date=' or one of the replacement meshes is the source of the problem.

[/quote']

 

I have to mention this, CTD occurs randomly when I attempt to fast travel or walk into other cell. (And sometimes, just randomly. Just roaming around and crash.) Elven garden is one place where nearly guaranteed CTD occurs.

I experienced a similar situation yesterday in the dark brotherhood sanctuary, I was in the living room but when Talaendril happened to enter the main chamber I couldn't get out until I disable BA. It was ok when Talaendril was in somewhere else like Cheydinhal inns or other cities. It's strange because other women in the DB wear the same Shrouded armor but didn't cause CTD.

 

Didn't notice before because I haven't played oblivion much, you know. You'll see the difference if you play around for an hour or so yourself.

 

This is the video showing some BA's malfunctioning. A random crash marks the end. 29mb, 5min.

http://www.mediafire.com/?1i754y5x2hkwsrt

 

I've also intentionally fucked up the ini file. The delay has been set to .5 seconds' date=' which will slow things down enough to let us spot exactly which NPC the problem is occurring on. I've also set BreakClothing to 0 in case the problem is happening there.

[/quote']

 

I couldn't catch who was. So I changed BAdelay 0.5 to 2 but still failed.

 

See this. Tried to enter the elven garden, failed, restarted, failed again. 9mb, 1:40

http://www.mediafire.com/?khnqsyyyaso9bup

[gerra6]

The videos appear to be corrupted, or maybe VLC just really doesn't like them.

 

I can get part way through, but they die before anything interesting happens.

 

Now, on a related note, I really don't understand why folks would suddenly start reporting crashes with 1.08 now, after weeks of silence. That just doesn't make sense.

[borninmarch]

I have tested it on vanilla' date=' and checked CTD when I enter the city isle.(Imperial Prison -> City Isle)

 

Here is my load order.

 

Oblivion.esm

SkipTutorialv3.esp

BreakArmor.esp

 

version of BA is 1.08 (use BreakArmor_Stock.ini)

[/quote']

 

Do me a favor and open your BreakArmor ini file.

 

Look for the line

 

set aaBACycle.BreakClothing to 1

 

and change it to

 

set aaBACycle.BreakClothing to 0

 

I want to find out if BreakClothing is causing your crashes, or if it is BreakArmor.

Thanks for reply again.

 

I changed set aaBACycle.BreakClothing to 1 to 0, but same CTD occured again.

(experimental place is Imperial Prison District -> City Isle)

 

And I started new game after installed your Attached File, BreakArmorDebug_2nd_try.7z. And also CTD occured.

 

But It little bit changed, I think!

Probability of CTD decreased, maybe, 6 over 10.

(Before installed your fix, 8 over 10.)

 

Also, situation of CTD little bit change. Before installed your fix, CTD always occured with black screen.

But after, sometimes CTD occured after loading. I could see the landscape of City Isle and then CTD occured.

Sadly, CTD with Black Screen(before loading complete) still occured too.

 

Here is my experimental load order.

 

Oblivion.esm

SkipTutorialv3.esp

BreakArmor.esp

 

Version of BA is 1.08 (use BreakUndies_Stock.ini)

 

I never used old BU system and BA 1.07 or lower, because most of Vanilla BA armor were made complete after BA 1.08.

So, I don't know stability of BA 1.07 or lower. Really sorry.

 

I really hope to fix this problem as soon as possible, but I also hope you don't get much stress because of this.

 

Thanks to your sincere and prompt reply.

[movomo]

I can play them normally. Well, it doesn't matter.

 

Even I didn't notice it before because I haven't played Oblivion much. It is somewhat hard to figure whether BA is the cause of crash or not unless you turn off BA and expressly compare. I've realized that CTD occurs bit more frequently than without BA after 2~3 hours of 'normal' gameplay. You know, CTD is a part of Oblivion. Everyone who has mods experiences occasional CTDs when either loading or just running around.

Anyway I decided to test on a relatively vanilla oblivion and noticed that something is wrong. That is all.

[gerra6]

I can play them normally. Well' date=' it doesn't matter.[/quote']

 

I think the upload was corrupted.

 

Even I didn't notice it before because I haven't played Oblivion much. It is somewhat hard to figure whether BA is the cause of crash or not unless you turn off BA and expressly compare. I've realized that CTD occurs bit more frequently than without BA after 2~3 hours of 'normal' gameplay. You know' date=' CTD is a part of Oblivion. Everyone who has mods experiences occasional CTDs when either loading or just running around.

Anyway I decided to test on a relatively vanilla oblivion and noticed that something is wrong. That is all.

[/quote']

 

My point is simply that we had over 300+ downloads and not a single reported crash. Now, in a matter of days, we've had several reports, all coinciding with the recent Break Armor/Vanilla Break Armor updates. Something has changed.

 

One possibility that I should have considered earlier is that meshname_ba#.nif naming convention is causing problems. Oblivion may be doing weird things when it hits the underscore. Would you be willing to test using an older mesh package, without the underscore names?

 

I'll test it myself once I can get back on my main modding box...for now I'm coding on a weak little laptop that can barely run Blender. I'm basically using a text editor and imagining what will happen...not the safest way to code.

[movomo]

Sure thing, I'll test with some older version and ini.

 

And probably also with older Break Armor.

 

 

My point is simply that we had over 300+ downloads and not a single reported crash. Now' date=' in a matter of days, we've had several reports, all coinciding with the recent Break Armor/Vanilla Break Armor updates. Something has changed.

[/quote']

 

That's strange, I agree. Either they are not interested in reporting bugs, or our current changes seriously messed up the things.

[DeadSomething]

i only had a few minutes of testing the mod and it worked as much a before.

i started the game, ran around in market district, got a CTD.

i blamed it on all the other mods, as my game has always been unstable, even when unmodded (only patched).

[movomo]

Do you remember these posts?

 

I've found some odd crash happens.

 

I was alone in some mod's fitting room. (saved with BA 1.02)

And I enable 1.06

If I try to get out of the cell in 'normal' way (walking' date=' running ->exterior-> fast travel or walk into city) no problem.

But if I try 'testinghall -> hawkhaven -> fastravel to some city', fast travel caused crash. fast travel to elsewhere (like inn, dungeons or whatever exterior cell)from hawkhaven was okay.

 

Without 1.06 enabled(with 1.02 enabled or BA disabled) it's ok to fast travel whenever or wherever.

[/quote']

 

Well that's weird. It could be an update 3d issue. But it really shouldn't be firing on fast travel. hmm.

 

http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=13735&pid=288508#pid288508

 

The 1.02 release was...weird. Would you be willing to create a clean save version of that save and see if you still have the problem?

 

Nah' date=' even when I made clean save and enabled 1.06 it still caused crash.

But it's okay, it's gone now with 1.08. Just downloaded and tried once and no crash..(with 1.06 the game crashed every time) it must be related to update3d function.

 

Now let's find another bug.

[/quote']

 

http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=13735&pid=289069#pid289069

 

Perhaps those were the moments that we could have found the problem before. Apologies, I should have tried just a few more times.

 

Anyway. I tried other builds as you told.

 

I deleted my 130101 version, and reinstalled 121128, which uses old naming convention.

 

Results: each test done about 5~6 times I think.

 

1.09b: same.

 

1.08: borninmarch has already tested this.

 

1.06: Crashes. Sometimes I was successfull to enter the elven garden.. but if I in and out between those 2 districts, it eventually crashes.

 

1.05: Crashes. Almost.. immediatly and nearly guaranteed.

 

1.02: No crash. It appeared to be ok when I tried to enter and exit repeatedly.

But from what I remember this version showed some odd bevaviors.