The Ancient Profession 2024-06-24

[poporaltemporal]

On 7/22/2022 at 3:40 AM, ruddycray said:

 

You already should be able to give people ale or mead instead of stamina potions if you want. I can't say I agree that bringing clients stamina potions would be unimmersive. They're a thing that exists in the game's world. The only thing I see as a bit unrealistic about giving them to clients is that they'd probably be sold if such things existed in the real world, but if I were going to do that, I might as well just get rid of that whole game mechanic.

 

Personally I find stamina potions clearly specific to battles. They are also risk free unlike alcohol.

 

On 7/22/2022 at 3:40 AM, ruddycray said:

I'm not opposed to any of the other suggestions. I've said before in this thread that I'd like to have dancing animations if I could find something that didn't look like you'd see it in a modern nightclub. I already have it on my list to have clients approach you if you perform with another prostitute.

 

I admit that good dance is difficult to find especially because arm bending issues. This could be also "invite" pose when you are on duty. There are good invite poses. Gunslicer has many good animations in his pack. Gunslicers pack also has good animation preview rings.

 

On 7/22/2022 at 3:40 AM, ruddycray said:

The dialogue based system is very serviceable, though, so it's probably not going to be a huge priority for me. I might slip some new things in here and there.

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On 7/22/2022 at 3:40 AM, ruddycray said:

I'm probably not going to remove the skill from a low-level succubus. I might make some improvements like adding the sleep menu you suggest. I'm not opposed to revisiting the way the spell triggers, either, because I've had some frustrations with Skyrim's sometimes terrible aiming.

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On 7/22/2022 at 3:40 AM, ruddycray said:

I might consider adding other things that succubus seduction can do, but to me things like mindless sex puppets begging the player for sex is a little cartoonish. And the feed through sex part is fairly essential to the entire concept. The succubus part of the mod grew out of the Vanikseth quest line. Changing how that whole thing works is a bigger overhaul than I'm willing to do.

Skyrim and mods are fantasy concept. In all lore succubus are pure evil. Taking soul and turning NPCs to mindless servants like Morthal vampire quest with Alva is fitting.

Techinally giving faction and adding lines with the faction and removing kill effect should be easy. Text conversion is more difficult not sure how you can easily search through the lines db. I don't there for consider it major overhaul even it is lore/gameplay wise.
 

On 7/22/2022 at 3:40 AM, ruddycray said:

Still, I might consider some additional game mechanics besides just feeding. It's already part of my concept that there will be a succubus you can meet who has powers that go beyond that. As usual, some of this stuff may be relatively far in the future, though.

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On 7/22/2022 at 3:40 AM, ruddycray said:

 

I'll consider some of these ideas. I am not likely to do arousal integration, just because that mod's first-person messages grate on my nerves.

hmm what do you mean by SLA first person messages? I always turn off the desire spell. Hmm, interesting point in this is that with DAR it should be easy (if you have animations) to implement animation / visual feedback for the arousal level. Actually Live Action does it but I think that some of the animations are too much and DAR mods are mess. You get into conflicts really fast.
 

On 7/22/2022 at 3:40 AM, ruddycray said:

 

No, it's fine. Naturally, I'm not promising to do any of this any time soon, and some of it not at all, but it gives me things to think about for how to improve the mod, and I don't mind that.

Thats all good. Just giving some ideas of what I find lacking or possible improvement. Enjoy your life comes it from modding or whatever else. Thanks for the awesome mod.

[ruddycray]

1 hour ago, poporaltemporal said:

Personally I find stamina potions clearly specific to battles. They are also risk free unlike alcohol.

 

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "risk free", unless you mean side effects or something. As I mentioned, the mod does support using alcohol for this, which isn't really all that realistic, either. Alcohol doesn't exactly have a reputation for helping with sexual performance. It just so happens that the game gives it a stamina buff.

 

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I admit that good dance is difficult to find especially because arm bending issues. This could be also "invite" pose when you are on duty. There are good invite poses. Gunslicer has many good animations in his pack. Gunslicers pack also has good animation preview rings.

 

I think you've mentioned that one before. I will have to put it in my list to take a look at it so I don't forget.

 

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Skyrim and mods are fantasy concept. In all lore succubus are pure evil. Taking soul and turning NPCs to mindless servants like Morthal vampire quest with Alva is fitting.

 

I'm honestly not ruling out doing something with the thrall idea. I just don't know about the whole idea of having men follow you around begging for sex. I might explore it a little bit, but it also seems to me like something that could get a little too silly a little too fast.

 

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hmm what do you mean by SLA first person messages? I always turn off the desire spell. Hmm, interesting point in this is that with DAR it should be easy (if you have animations) to implement animation / visual feedback for the arousal level. Actually Live Action does it but I think that some of the animations are too much and DAR mods are mess. You get into conflicts really fast.

 

I mean the way it displays messages like "I need to have sex", like my character has a mind of its own and is talking to me. That immediately kills my immersion when I'm playing. I don't think the mod has any options about it, so it annoys me when a mod I want to use requires it, and I don't want to bring that into my mod.

[VomitMan]

Hey buddy, can you please change the location for the Brothel in Windhelm?

I thought maybe a little higher on the snowy hill behind the farm.

 

There is a minor conflict with Ryn's Brandy-Mug Farm (The mod is a musthave since its wounderfully made and also an ESL version).

If you dont want to change the location, may able to provide a patch for it?

 

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/71997?tab=description

 

Thanks a million

Edited July 24, 2022 by Vomit2

[ruddycray]

6 hours ago, Vomit2 said:

Hey buddy, can you please change the location for the Brothel in Windhelm?

I thought maybe a little higher on the snowy hill behind the farm.

 

There is a minor conflict with Ryn's Brandy-Mug Farm (The mod is a musthave since its wounderfully made and also an ESL version).

If you dont want to change the location, may able to provide a patch for it?

 

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/71997?tab=description

 

Thanks a million

 

Probably not. No matter where I put it, there's going to be some risk of conflicts with other mods. And to be honest this would take a lot of time that I'd rather be spending on new mod content.

 

I'm all for people making compatibility patches and sharing them, and I even encourage it (not that I think my permission is required). Unfortunately, as much as I'd like to be able to help when situations like this come up, I don't really have the time to do it myself.

[xtrange988]

 

Actually I changed the location for Windhelm to the opposite side of the river, near the docks, where the stone stairs begin. So that would solve problems with the farm mods on that side.

 

 

I use the mod as my default start and I have a couple little suggestions to make on this regard. 

 

1. In Dibella's Garden after a flawless performance in The Play quest, a small amount of speech experience reward similar to the one you get after an easy persuasion check would be a nice reward. It might be a script fragment in the dialogue. Considering the amount of speech checks you need to pass it would encourage the player to pick the quest more often. 

 

2. In the same line for Benjen quests:  A little of  Alchemy experience reward for completing successfully the Tasting party (it's hard to get it right and it's close enough to sampling ingredients). And for the vampire den, when you wake up outside you contract Sanguinare Vampiris disease, seem logical and a fitting way to become a vampire without risking combat with one at low levels.

 

3. Cumulative damage for sleeping with khajiits. Okay this is more niche but I would like the option to make me pay attention what clients I take.

 

I think those are all the suggestion I had.

 

Edited July 24, 2022 by xtrange988

[ruddycray]

48 minutes ago, xtrange988 said:

 

Actually I changed the location for Windhelm to the opposite side of the river, near the docks, where the stone stairs begin. So that would solve problems with the farm mods on that side.

 

 

I use the mod as my default start and I have a couple little suggestions to make on this regard. 

 

1. In Dibella's Garden after a flawless performance in The Play quest, a small amount of speech experience reward similar to the one you get after an easy persuasion check would be a nice reward. It might be a script fragment in the dialogue. Considering the amount of speech checks you need to pass it would encourage the player to pick the quest more often. 

 

2. In the same line for Benjen quests:  A little of  Alchemy experience reward for completing successfully the Tasting party (it's hard to get it right and it's close enough to sampling ingredients). And for the vampire den, when you wake up outside you contract Sanguinare Vampiris disease, seem logical and a fitting way to become a vampire without risking combat with one at low levels.

 

3. Cumulative damage for sleeping with khajiits. Okay this is more niche but I would like the option to make me pay attention what clients I take.

 

I think those are all the suggestion I had.

 

 

Speech and alchemy rewards for completing the quests would definitely be doable and would fit right in with other things I've done. I'll also consider the idea with the Khajiit. I don't think it would be too difficult to make that happen, but I'd definitely want it to be optional

 

It's already possible to get the vampire disease from that quest. It just isn't guaranteed.

[outcast]

Had a very weird issue with "Culmination" quest - after soul is transferred Vanika was randomly dying, sometimes immediately after I left lair sometimes a little bit later and quest failed. Solved it only by setting her essential via console right after soul transfer.

[ruddycray]

48 minutes ago, outcast said:

Had a very weird issue with "Culmination" quest - after soul is transferred Vanika was randomly dying, sometimes immediately after I left lair sometimes a little bit later and quest failed. Solved it only by setting her essential via console right after soul transfer.

 

I've had two other people report that issue, but so far I've never been able to reproduce it. It's possibly a mod conflict, but I haven't been able to pinpoint what it might be. If your load order isn't huge, would you mind posting it?

[Fors4241]

The Quest Practical Applications is bugged for me. Vanikseth tells me to let him know when Im ready to start but theirs no option for it. Is there anyway you could post the quest id so I could debug with console commands?

[outcast]

7 hours ago, ruddycray said:

 

I've had two other people report that issue, but so far I've never been able to reproduce it. It's possibly a mod conflict, but I haven't been able to pinpoint what it might be. If your load order isn't huge, would you mind posting it?

I think it might be conflict with Requiem. Don't remember how it is works in vanilla Skyrim but in Requiem reanimated corpses get a significant boost to their health and if this effect is transferred to Vanika from reanimated corpse her health might go below zero when it wears off. Just a hypothesis though, I didn't check it in game but I don't have any other culprits. Plugin list is pretty big but I put in in the spoiler just in case:

 

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[ruddycray]

4 hours ago, Fors4241 said:

The Quest Practical Applications is bugged for me. Vanikseth tells me to let him know when Im ready to start but theirs no option for it. Is there anyway you could post the quest id so I could debug with console commands?

 

TAPQVanikseth03. Please let me know what stage things are at when you are getting stuck.  The only conditions on that dialogue are that the stage must be greater than or equal to 300 and less than 400 and, of course, that you're speaking to Vanikseth.

[ruddycray]

2 hours ago, outcast said:

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Thank you. I can try testing against that mod specifically. Your hypothesis might be correct. The bug I've just fixed where the succubus cure can kill you was caused by a similar problem of removing health buffs making health go below zero.

[Fors4241]

6 hours ago, ruddycray said:

 

TAPQVanikseth03. Please let me know what stage things are at when you are getting stuck.  The only conditions on that dialogue are that the stage must be greater than or equal to 300 and less than 400 and, of course, that you're speaking to Vanikseth.

I'm not sure how to share my plug-in list but I do not have requiem I'll try to figure out how to share it later and thanks for the quest name.

[ruddycray]

12 minutes ago, Fors4241 said:

I'm not sure how to share my plug-in list but I do not have requiem I'll try to figure out how to share it later and thanks for the quest name.

 

I think the thing about Requiem is for a different problem than the one you're having.

[ruddycray]

19 hours ago, Fors4241 said:

The Quest Practical Applications is bugged for me. Vanikseth tells me to let him know when Im ready to start but theirs no option for it. Is there anyway you could post the quest id so I could debug with console commands?

 

I just want to double check. Is there a dialogue option that says "What exactly is it you want me to do this time?"

 

If that's there, you have to select it before you'll get the option to start.

[ruddycray]

18 hours ago, outcast said:

I think it might be conflict with Requiem. Don't remember how it is works in vanilla Skyrim but in Requiem reanimated corpses get a significant boost to their health and if this effect is transferred to Vanika from reanimated corpse her health might go below zero when it wears off. Just a hypothesis though, I didn't check it in game but I don't have any other culprits. Plugin list is pretty big but I put in in the spoiler just in case:

 

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I can confirm that the problem occurs with Requiem installed. I'll start looking into it.

[ecobotstar]

The tasting job is not working for me, (was fine before the new brothel), Benjen just never come down, he's never even at the brothel, just wandering around Riften.

[killer905]

On 7/25/2022 at 5:31 AM, ruddycray said:

 

I've had two other people report that issue, but so far I've never been able to reproduce it. It's possibly a mod conflict, but I haven't been able to pinpoint what it might be. If your load order isn't huge, would you mind posting it?

I had a similar problem on the LE port but I used the code to set the body to "essentrial". No matter what Vanika died right after leaving the hideout or the player left Vanik's hideout, she died immediately and the task failed.

 

I also had another problem noticed on SE and LE. Well, they will be in the middle of the brothel and after loading the previous save of the game and re-entering the brothel it became empty.

 

Benjen his "sperm tasting" assignment seems unfinished or broken (Probably only on LE and I don't have time to check it for SE version).

 

 

I was looking at the files and noticed a few quests (I guess unfinished or I don't know how to start them) Quest in Markath, Quest in Dawnstar (I think available after obtaining a prostitution license there), Svrog Tower (?), Some quest related to books (Got a book from Calia).

 

 

[poporaltemporal]

On 7/24/2022 at 12:14 AM, ruddycray said:

 

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "risk free", unless you mean side effects or something. As I mentioned, the mod does support using alcohol for this, which isn't really all that realistic, either. Alcohol doesn't exactly have a reputation for helping with sexual performance. It just so happens that the game gives it a stamina buff.

If you look into real life prostitution you will find that men pay women for the time to be with them too. This might be related to that.  One of the things of risk free was just that sexual performance. Also alcohol changes some people more aggressive. So that could be also used in the mod but well thats more in depth.
 

On 7/24/2022 at 12:14 AM, ruddycray said:

I think you've mentioned that one before. I will have to put it in my list to take a look at it so I don't forget.

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On 7/24/2022 at 12:14 AM, ruddycray said:

I'm honestly not ruling out doing something with the thrall idea. I just don't know about the whole idea of having men follow you around begging for sex. I might explore it a little bit, but it also seems to me like something that could get a little too silly a little too fast.

? I think this should be somehow controllable if you want to suck someones soul like this. Plus you can't modify unique actor behaviour too much so what I would suggest is something like just add custom greeting if npc is thrall and add some succubus minion context dialogue options. Since these people would be under your command you could perhaps turn them into followers and turning them into thrall should max out their reputation towards you. So maybe hostile NPC would turn to friendly?

I understand your opinion about the becoming tiredsome too early. I am thinking more of features and thralls could basically follow you and gather around you. For that client would need to turn on some "don't collide with NPCs" switch. As those NPCs would surround you very soon. In a sense they would be your soulless slaves so ending their lives should not be issue.

If thralling sounds bad like we talked before. Alternative way could be to tie those actor souls to soul gems. Then call upon them for your needs be it fight or sex. This might bypass many issues you might run into with greet + dialogue.  But I am not sure how copying NPCs go in script. Safest way to do this would be to copy NPC appearance and place it on behaviourless actor. On instanciate the base ref and turn off the behaviours and add your own faction and dialogue on them.
 

On 7/24/2022 at 12:14 AM, ruddycray said:

I mean the way it displays messages like "I need to have sex", like my character has a mind of its own and is talking to me. That immediately kills my immersion when I'm playing. I don't think the mod has any options about it, so it annoys me when a mod I want to use requires it, and I don't want to bring that into my mod.

I understand. Such text messages are just the easiest form of presenting it. This brings to mind "toys framework" which adds fondling function. I dislike the mod because of the toys and all the other shit but the rousing and declining + fondling is pretty nice feature which kinda masks this problem at least a little. One minor thing that bothers me with SLSO is that sometimes it takes like 2s to reach orgasm when all things match then most of times it can take like 2 minutes to reach orgasm. Why I bring this up is that well as prostitute and succubus you are expected to sex a lot so you should have tools to heal / improve your sexual performance too.

[ecobotstar]

I tried a clean save reinstall of the mod (which got the bug in some of the Benjen quest fixed) But I'm afraid the Taste Test job is completely broken for me, Benjen and the girls won't walk anywhere near the brothel, I ask to do a special job but the quest won't start, there's no quest log. I tried "moveto player" command for Benjen and the girls which got Benjen to hang around in the brothel this time, but when I "moveto player" the two naked girls in, they just walk out of the brothel immediately, again, the other quest works perfectly.

[ruddycray]

9 hours ago, killer905 said:

I had a similar problem on the LE port but I used the code to set the body to "essentrial". No matter what Vanika died right after leaving the hideout or the player left Vanik's hideout, she died immediately and the task failed.

 

I'll try to come up with a solution. I wasn't aware of perks that automatically cast spells on reanimated bodies when I made all of the Vanikseth quests, and it seems like there are some compatibility issues coming from it.

 

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I also had another problem noticed on SE and LE. Well, they will be in the middle of the brothel and after loading the previous save of the game and re-entering the brothel it became empty.

 

On rare occasions, I've seen disappearing NPCs when loading a saved game, but it usually resolves itself by exiting the game and going back in for me. It doesn't happen very often, and I haven't seen any clear cause for it when it does happen. I think I've seen it happen with vanilla NPCs too, though. I'm not sure if that's the same issue you're seeing.

 

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Benjen his "sperm tasting" assignment seems unfinished or broken (Probably only on LE and I don't have time to check it for SE version).

 

Several people have reported some issues with it for SE, but the quest definitely works. I tested it numerous times before releasing it. I don't know for sure about LE. I'll keep trying to find why some people are having so many problems with it. It may be a mod conflict of some kind.

 

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I was looking at the files and noticed a few quests (I guess unfinished or I don't know how to start them) Quest in Markath, Quest in Dawnstar (I think available after obtaining a prostitution license there), Svrog Tower (?), Some quest related to books (Got a book from Calia).

 

There are several quests in the ESP that are not accessible without console commands. They are not ready to be played yet, and there may be some I decide not to finish after all. I can't think of what you're talking about in Markarth right off, but I think all the other ones are intentionally not accessible at this time.

[ruddycray]

9 hours ago, ecobotstar said:

I tried a clean save reinstall of the mod (which got the bug in some of the Benjen quest fixed) But I'm afraid the Taste Test job is completely broken for me, Benjen and the girls won't walk anywhere near the brothel, I ask to do a special job but the quest won't start, there's no quest log. I tried "moveto player" command for Benjen and the girls which got Benjen to hang around in the brothel this time, but when I "moveto player" the two naked girls in, they just walk out of the brothel immediately, again, the other quest works perfectly.

 

After the license quest, Benjen and his girls should permanently hang out in the brothel. If they aren't doing that, then something strange is going on.

 

I'd like you to do something if you could to help me figure out what's going on.

 

Install this mod and start your game. It will add a spell named "Show Target Package" to you.

 

Start the taste test job, and if Benjen and his girls leave the brothel or won't go to it, cast that spell at them and tell me what it says. If you have Papyrus logging enabled, you can also post your Papyrus log after you do that, and it should have the same information in there for me to look at.

[killer905]

1 hour ago, ruddycray said:

On rare occasions, I've seen disappearing NPCs when loading a saved game, but it usually resolves itself by exiting the game and going back in for me. It doesn't happen very often, and I haven't seen any clear cause for it when it does happen. I think I've seen it happen with vanilla NPCs too, though. I'm not sure if that's the same issue you're seeing.

Sounds like a problem I wrote, but I've never had anything like this in Vanilia and this is the first time I see something like this.

 

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Several people have reported some issues with it for SE, but the quest definitely works. I tested it numerous times before releasing it. I don't know for sure about LE. I'll keep trying to find why some people are having so many problems with it. It may be a mod conflict of some kind.

I have 250 mods installed, so it's quite possible that don't like something: 3

 

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There are several quests in the ESP that are not accessible without console commands. They are not ready to be played yet, and there may be some I decide not to finish after all. I can't think of what you're talking about in Markarth right off, but I think all the other ones are intentionally not accessible at this time.

Ahh, i see. EDID quest Markarth i mentioned "TAPQMarkarthSide01"

Edited July 27, 2022 by killer905

[ruddycray]

36 minutes ago, killer905 said:

Sounds like a problem I wrote, but I've never had anything like this in Vanilia and this is the first time I see something like this.

 

I have 250 mods installed, so it's quite possible that don't like something: 3

 

Ahh, i see. EDID quest Markarth i mentioned "TAPQMarkarthSide01"

 

Oh that Markarth quest is available. That ID is the quest titled The Stallion of Markarth. It's started by the story manager. If loaded into a game that's already in progress, TAP won't start the quest if you've already done the vanilla quest to bring the Stallion Potion to the steward, because it can't tell which steward you brought it to anymore. Otherwise, the quest just waits for you to ask the steward you delivered that potion to if he wants to test it out with you.

Edited July 27, 2022 by ruddycray

[ruddycray]

13 hours ago, ecobotstar said:

I tried a clean save reinstall of the mod (which got the bug in some of the Benjen quest fixed) But I'm afraid the Taste Test job is completely broken for me, Benjen and the girls won't walk anywhere near the brothel, I ask to do a special job but the quest won't start, there's no quest log. I tried "moveto player" command for Benjen and the girls which got Benjen to hang around in the brothel this time, but when I "moveto player" the two naked girls in, they just walk out of the brothel immediately, again, the other quest works perfectly.

 

Actually never mind trying to find out what package they are running for now. I see you said there's no quest log, and I think I know how the quest might not start.

 

If you kill both Phylawen and Elyssa, does the quest work after you do that?

 

Edit: I've mostly confirmed that the quest can't start if Phylawen is still around. I was testing this along with the new stuff that replaces the two of them, and I must not have tested what happens if they haven't been replaced.

 

At this point, I'm going to plan to release a bugfix version 0.12 by the end of the week that will address this and several other problems.

Edited July 27, 2022 by ruddycray