/r/Modpiracy is DEAD

[zechosen]

It seems that Reddit Nuked the entire subreddit.

[megamantaray]

They've been doing that lately. Lotta subreddits just vanishing.

Going back on their policy of not deleting anything that isn't outright offensive or dangerous or whatever.

I'm just hoping r/wtf dies soon too. They took out r/watchpeopledie which was way less shitty somehow.

[Wolfstorm321]

This is actually good news. People should stop using Reddit. That place is a cesspool of hate and negativity. The most toxic forum in the internet.

[LinksSword]

1 hour ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

This is actually good news. People should stop using Reddit. That place is a cesspool of hate and negativity. The most toxic forum in the internet.

True but it was an easy place to find stuff elsewhere.

[Sets00na]

Make your own mod piracy site, that should do the trick. Just remember, NEVER, EVER, E V E R, bend the knee to anyone complaining or threatening you or enforcing the law.

[megamantaray]

2 hours ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

This is actually good news. People should stop using Reddit. That place is a cesspool of hate and negativity. The most toxic forum in the internet.

You realise there's hundreds if not thousands of completely different subreddits right? They're all entirely separate bubbles.

Dedicated to musicians, youtubers, memes, communities of completely different people.

It's not a single "forum," like this or the Nexus and you can't just judge the entirety of reddit with a blanket statement like that.

There's extremely wholesome and good subs that have never had a single negative post.

Honestly, why people feel it's okay to say such completely blatantly wrong blanket statements I will never know.

[snarfies]

Good thing /r/drownedmods was established as the backup long ago.

[Wolfstorm321]

A site which censors your post if 5 people (or bots) disagree with you can't be taken seriously.

The effect Reddit had on the internet is underestimated. Ten years ago people helped each other. They also discussed, they flamed, they trolled, and moderators intervened when it got out of hand. Even if you didnt participated, it was fun to watch.

Even other platforms were not as bad as Reddit is. I've read highbrow discussions in Orkut which could fill a book on philosophy.

 

Today people only downvote and have posts hidden from public view. You dont see discussions anymore, only memes, one-liners and downvote bombings.

The effects had spread to the entire internet, as you dont see too many content in normal forums like it was before Reddit. People are afraid to put out their opinions, remembering the last time they were downvote-bombed. To disagree is normal, but when you have a post brigaded and censored you dont have a discussion, as the replies (when they exist) are also hidden.

 

To accept this kind of censorship is gross. Forum or platform, Reddit caused damage to the internet. It decreased the ammount of content, turned discussions into downvote bombings, and created cliques of easily-offended snowflakes, who brigade posts to impose soviet-style censorship. The less people using it, the better.

[megamantaray]

1 hour ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

A site which censors your post if 5 people (or bots) disagree with you can't be taken seriously.

The effect Reddit had on the internet is underestimated. Ten years ago people helped each other. They also discussed, they flamed, they trolled, and moderators intervened when it got out of hand. Even if you dont participated, it was fun to watch.

Even other platforms were not as bad as Reddit is. I've read highbrow discussions in orkut which could fill a book on philosophy.

Today people only downvote and have posts hidden from public view. You dont see discussions anymore, only memes, one-liners and downvote bombings. To accept this kind of censorship is gross. Forum or platform, Reddit caused damage to the internet. It decreased the ammount of content, turned discussions into downvote bombings, and created cliques of easily-offended snowflakes, who brigade posts to impose soviet-style censorship. The less people using it, the better.

Can you provide evidence to any of these claims? The site as a whole doesn't censor you if people hate your opinions, subreddit mods can do that if they want. Subreddits are largely self-moderated unless it's something super illegal or the site owners decide your subreddit's offensive which only began happening lately.

I.E. if you post saying a Youtuber sucks on a subreddit dedicated to them you'll get downvoted because people subbed to that board because they like that Youtuber, it might also be considered spam which will obviously get your post deleted but usually you'll just get ridiculed like in the old days you seem to be so fond of.

r/modpiracy was on borrowed time ever since its inception because of the content it hosted, especially as soon as Bethesda began monetising their mods.
I can go on AskReddit right now and pull out several super insightful threads, or ExplainLikeIm5. You're acting like Orkut's never had a bad post in its entire history. If all you do is roam around in these places though then all you'll get is these things. I can google things to complain about just as easily as I can look up useful information.

You can't possibly have gone to every subreddit and chronicled how their threads made the internet a snowflake infested wasteland. Stop making blanket statements. That happened across all media as the internet became a more common thing and social media really kicked up, reddit took down r/watchpeopledie because of outside influence due to posts being made at a bad time not because it was actively censoring these things. Orkut died because Facebok was better.

To say Reddit fundamentally changed the internet as a whole is a little much, while on a side note, Orkut was a failed Facebook, bought by Google and subsequently killed then resurrected as Hello which is mostly image sharing, because it was social media aping Facebook you could hone in on only things you wanted to see, unlike Reddit where everyone else's opinions matter, that's how threads get promoted. You don't just get spoonfed confirmation bias unless you stick to a circlejerk subreddit only and never look elsewhere.

Comparing a Facebook clone to a board like Reddit shows you misunderstand reddit at a base level I can't begin to comprehend and again I'm curious about you backing up your claims that Reddit ruined the internet.

 

Edit: Formatting and wording.

Edit 2: And another thing, how is it censorship if you post or say something stupid the majority of a community doesn't like and downvotes it?

That's not soviet censorship that's the community, the people of that subreddit, giving you the finger for being annoying, wrong, or otherwise disliking you.

I also think you don't understand censorship now. If this is about a post of yours being downvoted or deleted maybe you should reconsider calling people snowflakes.

[Seweiwer]

Sometimes people forget that no one has to provide a platform for, or accept your opinion (with the exception of the government). Reddit is also not nearly as bad as people make it out to be, especially considering its size.

People like to post the most hateful and stupid crap on there and then complain when they get punished for racism, harmful pseudo science, or the plethora of other actions that a human with common decency shouldn't post.

 

I think the reason r/modpiracy has been caught is because of the increasing amount of CC content that has been shared there. If they had focused on actual preservation of mods attempts, they probably would have been fine.

But if you have a rule against something but then don't enforce it (ala no posting of CC content) then of course at some point you get hit with the ban hammer. It is sad, because they did have some mods on there that dropped into the void because of them being hosted on a defunct website or similar. Still I'm interested to see if an alternative will come by or not.

[27X]

5 hours ago, Seweiwer said:

not nearly as bad as people make it out to be,

 

 

 Yeah, it's generally way worse.

[gregathit]

55 minutes ago, 27X said:

 Yeah, it's generally way worse.

That may well be the understatement of the year.  ?

[Fuzaki]

I generally don't use reddit unless it's something that pops up from a search result and sure it's true that even then you'll find some unsavory content but it does makes you question the kind of content people look for given their experiences.

[Mud]

More on topic, dang, despite the sub's name it was useful for finding older versions of mods or mods that had been set to hidden for some reason or another and never put back up. I hope some kind of mod archival effort can rise to take its place, without the more unsavory parts of flagrantly trying to flip mod authors the bird.

[GrimReaper]

On 1/18/2020 at 3:03 AM, megamantaray said:

You realise there's hundreds if not thousands of completely different subreddits right? They're all entirely separate bubbles.

Dedicated to musicians, youtubers, memes, communities of completely different people.

It's not a single "forum," like this or the Nexus and you can't just judge the entirety of reddit with a blanket statement like that.

There's extremely wholesome and good subs that have never had a single negative post.

Honestly, why people feel it's okay to say such completely blatantly wrong blanket statements I will never know.

The problem with reddit is, as much as I generally dislike the use of the term, systemic. The way reddit works is generally manufacturing consent through social pressure. If you dare disagree with the hivemind, you'll get downvoted and your post will be automatically hidden and be placed last on the list. On the other hand, people will do absurd things to get upvotes. This includes, but is not limited to: presenting something as your own when it isn't or wirting half a novel just to get a point across. It's not unusual to see something like 'Hey, person that's not your usual demographic of this subreddit here' just to garner attention and those precious upvotes. There's often nothing of substance in these posts. Criticism has to be veiled in praise and other distractions or else your post will just disappear. It was quite fun to see the FO76 sub swinging in one of two extremes, either the game was praised beyond belief and everyone outside was just a silly hater or the people there were so angered by Bethesda's decisions everyone who said something positive about it was a shill.

 

If people are used to seeing their views reinforced all day every day, they consider the rare opposing viewpoint as a personal attack. If they were ever socialized, they've un-learned the ability to function in any other social space. Twitter has almost the same problem, but that comes from people blocking each other all the time, you'll end up building your own bubble eventually believing it's representative of the whole world, but that issue isn't necessarily build into the platform itself, unlike with reddit.

[megamantaray]

1 hour ago, GrimReaper said:

The problem with reddit is, as much as I generally dislike the use of the term, systemic. The way reddit works is generally manufacturing consent through social pressure. If you dare disagree with the hivemind, you'll get downvoted and your post will be automatically hidden and be placed last on the list. On the other hand, people will do absurd things to get upvotes. This includes, but is not limited to: presenting something as your own when it isn't or wirting half a novel just to get a point across. It's not unusual to see something like 'Hey, person that's not your usual demographic of this subreddit here' just to garner attention and those precious upvotes. There's often nothing of substance in these posts. Criticism has to be veiled in praise and other distractions or else your post will just disappear. It was quite fun to see the FO76 sub swinging in one of two extremes, either the game was praised beyond belief and everyone outside was just a silly hater or the people there were so angered by Bethesda's decisions everyone who said something positive about it was a shill.

 

If people are used to seeing their views reinforced all day every day, they consider the rare opposing viewpoint as a personal attack. If they were ever socialized, they've un-learned the ability to function in any other social space. Twitter has almost the same problem, but that comes from people blocking each other all the time, you'll end up building your own bubble eventually believing it's representative of the whole world, but that issue isn't necessarily build into the platform itself, unlike with reddit.

That's a problem with any website that's built around creating bubbles for people with similar interests, or hubs for those people to talk in. You get the same effect on a famous person's page on Twitter that you do on a Subreddit dedicated to someone, it just isn't as closed a space as Subreddits and there's no automated hiding feature but rest assured if you tweet at someone you don't like and they have a fanbase they'll eat you up just the same and force you to delete your wrongthink, or brigade to get you banned. Twitter bots probably count as automated censor machines though. If you ever posted something with the word "kill" for example, someone could look through your history and report that even if it was a joke. Bye bye account. 

In regards to doing things for e-points it's not just Reddit either, on Facebook, Twitter or Tumblr you can just claim you did something and get praised by people who have no critical thinking skills and take you on your word, and a lot of people do. Screenshots of fake or copied conversations you had, stolen art, reposts etc. they're on reddit as much as they are anywhere else, assuming the argument that's being attempted here is "reddit bad, twitter not as bad" then no, it's just as bad in fact. Bonus points since you don't get auto-banned off the entirety of reddit because you used the word "faggot" 6 years ago. Oh and employers are less likely to check Reddit for your post history to either fire you or not hire you, but that's irrelevant. Now that I think of it, upvote bait exists even in Pornhub and Youtube comments too. 

As far as I'm aware the only thing keeping Twitter from being exactly like Reddit or Facebook in regards to community/mob bubbles is that it doesn't have a Group system like Facebook does that gathers these kinds of people into isolated private groups where they can get away with attacking dissenters and kicking people out they dislike, you get the same reactions from people it's just not in a focused group so you can gank them all at once. Twitter also doesn't have downvotes, just like Steam, Facebook, etc. and only shows positive marks and those marks are listed as positive regardless of the emoji you attached to it.  One could argue that without downvotes twitter is worse than reddit, since there's no deterrent to stupid shit being posted.

 

It's the internet. If you want confirmation bias and aren't able to cope with arguments or differing opinions you'll get your confirmation bias if you look hard enough and maybe even come to learn that doctors are wrong about everything and your kid's gonna get autism because... yep. You'd think if reddit was a Soviet censor box like that person claimed they'd do something about that subreddit. Anyway, it's not a reddit problem, it's just an internet problem, a people problem. You can do that in real life too if you try, you can make a "safe space" anywhere. Reddit has a systemic problem and that's that it was designed to gather people with similar tastes and then let them rule themselves for the most part, instead of posting 280 character musings (can't write a novel I guess). Any group of humans with similar tastes will lash out at anyone that doesn't have the same opinions though, this is always true.

 

Bottom line is this person was making dumb statements and it irked me. I don't disagree with subs having the potential to be shitty, a whole lot of them are but that's such a vague idea to push that it could be used anywhere, that wasn't the argument anyway. One among the many asinine points that person tried to push was that reddit itself fundamentally changed the internet, which is dumb. The assertion also can't be made that as a whole it supports censorship because that's demonstrably untrue though individual subs will be censory and shitty if they want to, but the same could be said of any site with groups like that including the defunct Orkut this person was praising. Reddit certainly wasn't the progenitor of any of this.

[TundraBrigand]

 

???

Dearly beloved -- and those of you who I'm not sure about -- we are gathered here to mourn the loss of /r/modpiracy.

 

/r/modpiracy was born mid 2015. a veritable lifetime ago in internet years. It's death is a massive loss for the modding and archivists community. Some may cry that it deprived authors of control of their mods -- but to the many denizens of /r/modpiracy, the community did a better job of keeping content available and archiving previous versions of mods.

 

Flagrant flouting of authors -- and later, Bethesda's -- wishes was the reason /r/modpiracy existed.

 

It was also the reason /r/modpiracy was killed, at the hands of Reddit's ownership.

 

This is not the end of mod archiving. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

 

Let us celebrate the life and times of /r/modpiracy by striking the colours, and let us set sail on the high seas once more. The ship may have been sunk, but as long as there is an internet, there will always be a pirate ship.

???

[Wolfstorm321]

14 hours ago, GrimReaper said:

The problem with reddit is, as much as I generally dislike the use of the term, systemic. The way reddit works is generally manufacturing consent through social pressure. If you dare disagree with the hivemind, you'll get downvoted and your post will be automatically hidden and be placed last on the list. On the other hand, people will do absurd things to get upvotes. This includes, but is not limited to: presenting something as your own when it isn't or wirting half a novel just to get a point across. It's not unusual to see something like 'Hey, person that's not your usual demographic of this subreddit here' just to garner attention and those precious upvotes. There's often nothing of substance in these posts. Criticism has to be veiled in praise and other distractions or else your post will just disappear. It was quite fun to see the FO76 sub swinging in one of two extremes, either the game was praised beyond belief and everyone outside was just a silly hater or the people there were so angered by Bethesda's decisions everyone who said something positive about it was a shill.

 

If people are used to seeing their views reinforced all day every day, they consider the rare opposing viewpoint as a personal attack. If they were ever socialized, they've un-learned the ability to function in any other social space. Twitter has almost the same problem, but that comes from people blocking each other all the time, you'll end up building your own bubble eventually believing it's representative of the whole world, but that issue isn't necessarily build into the platform itself, unlike with reddit.

 

 

The internet was a space where you could express your opinions without fear of retaliation. In this respect, the internet ran counter to real life. The (apparent) anonymity allowed people to have open discussions about anything.

Reddit came and reverted this to what it is in real life. Now people cant express their opinions anymore, fearing the mob would "beat" them and have their post censored.

 

When I say Reddit changed the face of the internet, its because of the influx of people who stopped using forums, mailing lists, image boards, etc, to use Reddit instead, looking for a "safe space" where there would be no disagreement to their views. This created several echo chambers where there is no discussion, as any disagreement is promptly censored after receiving five downvotes, including its replies.

The years passed and now people who used Reddit for all this time have a distorted idea of what censorship is. They think censorship can only come from corporations or the State. They cant conceive the idea of a algorithm which promotes censorship, which is all that Reddit does. This algorithm is what make Reddit different from the other forums and platforms, and the fact people are flocking to it just confirms some theories about crowd mentality.

 

Now, focusing only on mods, a sub dedicated to some ambitious project, which have thousands of fanboys (and bots), can censor anyone who points out bugs on its beta versions, brigading such posts and making them disappear from view. With this tyrannical attitude, it can pass the image of a unfailing mod, the definitive mod which is the best of the best, building hype, promoting youtube videos and making money from ads attached to such videos (or from crowdfunding). The years pass and this project never ends, because the hype around it is giving profit to its authors, and anyone who points bugs from beta versions is promptly censored in its sub. Multiply this a hundred times and you have a toxic scene, where modding stagnates around who build the more hype, instead of focusing on who releases content with less bugs, or even functional content. This is just one of the effects of Reddit censorship, not to be seem in any other forum, because people blocking each other is just a matter of choice, whereas blocking someone from everybody, because five other people (or bots) decided it, is not.

[GrimReaper]

14 hours ago, megamantaray said:

 

Bottom line is this person was making dumb statements and it irked me. I don't disagree with subs having the potential to be shitty, a whole lot of them are but that's such a vague idea to push that it could be used anywhere, that wasn't the argument anyway. One among the many asinine points that person tried to push was that reddit itself fundamentally changed the internet, which is dumb. The assertion also can't be made that as a whole it supports censorship because that's demonstrably untrue though individual subs will be censory and shitty if they want to, but the same could be said of any site with groups like that including the defunct Orkut this person was praising. Reddit certainly wasn't the progenitor of any of this.

My point is it's built into the system itself. As an observer, you'll only ever read about what the majority decides you should read. This isn't a conscious effort, it just happens because of the way reddit handles the scoring of posts. With Twitter and other social media you usually have to make a conscious effort to block people, but as an observer you'll see all the posts involved regardless of who blocked whom. Powertripping mods, people building their bubbles, bias against certain views, bullshit vague guidelines that can be exploited by the staff to do whatever they want - that's a people problem, yes. But reddit has all of that + the above. It's not so much about censorship, because what most people mean by censorship and free speech is 'my speech should be free and my opinions shouldn't be censored, but yours should if you disagree with me'.

[Mr. Otaku]

Who the fuck unironically uses reddit anyway? You get shadowbanned if some mod decides to get pissy about your comments, you can literally say something neutral and still get downvote-bombed for the tone you used. The illusion of debate is really strong there, it resembles more of a dogpile once you get past the facade. Say, you wrote something that challenges a subreddit's purpose or legitimacy, you get one really long or really passive aggressive reply and everyone after that follows the same tactics.

 

I get that it's not just reddit, and it can happen anywhere and it does happen in many other places. But reddit sure became a staple on "internet debate decorum". It's like facebook but not as ugly. I was talking to a friend i have in a Discord group chat and he noticed one day that none of his posts/comments are getting any engagement at all, like none. This is someone who used to get a shit-ton of engagement regularly on his content but all of a sudden, radio silence. So he went to one of those reddit account checker websites and found out that he's been shadowbanned by a mod, and now he has to go beg some more mods to unban him which he never will.

 

I also don't like it when websites use the reddit style comment point system where upvoting or downvoting affects the same numeric value of the comment. Just make two separate ones instead of this retarded shit. A comment could have 70 upvotes and 77 downvotes and the comment will be at -7 points which would make it look like the comment didn't receive any positive engagement, how the fuck is anyone supposed to know how many people upvoted and downvoted it? It makes things unclear and you're never sure exactly how the comment performed. This is the type of shit why reddit has such a bad case of hivemind cliques.

[megamantaray]

1 hour ago, GrimReaper said:

My point is it's built into the system itself. As an observer, you'll only ever read about what the majority decides you should read. This isn't a conscious effort, it just happens because of the way reddit handles the scoring of posts. With Twitter and other social media you usually have to make a conscious effort to block people, but as an observer you'll see all the posts involved regardless of who blocked whom. Powertripping mods, people building their bubbles, bias against certain views, bullshit vague guidelines that can be exploited by the staff to do whatever they want - that's a people problem, yes. But reddit has all of that + the above. It's not so much about censorship, because what most people mean by censorship and free speech is 'my speech should be free and my opinions shouldn't be censored, but yours should if you disagree with me'.

Yes, you'll only read what the majority want because it's what's popular in that subreddit, I don't understand what the problem is. That's how Pages and Groups work in Facebook. That's how real life discussion forums have always worked too. If you have an opinion that's unpopular the general public, or people in that group will be like "eh fuck off m8." Twitter accounts can pin posts they like, or retweet them and filter out stuff they don't care for, unfollow people they don't wanna listen to.

You have power trips, vague guidelines, bubbles, biases and bullshit on twitter, it's even worse because the site itself actively censors wrongthink on a site-wide level. You're saying you're against popularity and trends dictating what's promoted? With twitter and other social media you can just not look up things you disagree with. At least on reddit a post has a chance to get off the ground because you don't have to specifically follow a person for their views or discussions to come to you. I don't see the problem. Rules are set on a subreddit specific level too, there are site-wide rules of course but for the most part subreddits are micromanaged.

You can always find a subreddit with good mods, or hell even make your own and manage it how you want. If you want change, be the change you want and all that. You can also just not go to a subreddit you don't like that you know actively censors you, same as you don't have to go to the Nexus if you hate it there. Make a subreddit, a website, or a Facebook group and manage it fairly, promote content that incites discussion, etc. Just because the biggest one is ABC doesn't mean you have to.
If you have an unpopular view or opinion of course it's gonna be unpopular and people won't like it when you post it in a place that's clearly titled a certain way. If you have shitty mods then don't hang out there, people leave this site because they think that too but you're still here, we're still around even though a few certain people would love for this site to come crashing down so their site gets more use.

1 hour ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

The internet was a space where you could express your opinions without fear of retaliation. In this respect, the internet ran counter to real life. The (apparent) anonymity allowed people to have open discussions about anything.

Reddit came and reverted this to what it is in real life. Now people cant express their opinions anymore, fearing the mob would "beat" them and have their post censored.

 

When I say Reddit changed the face of the internet, its because of the influx of people who stopped using forums, mailing lists, image boards, etc, to use Reddit instead, looking for a "safe space" where there would be no disagreement to their views. This created several echo chambers where there is no discussion, as any disagreement is promptly censored after receiving five downvotes, including its replies.

The years passed and now people who used Reddit for all this time have a distorted idea of what censorship is. They think censorship can only come from corporations or the State. They cant conceive the idea of a algorithm which promotes censorship, which is all that Reddit does. This algorithm is what make Reddit different from the other forums and platforms, and the fact people are flocking to it just confirms some theories about crowd mentality.

 

Now, focusing only on mods, a sub dedicated to some ambitious project, which have thousands of fanboys (and bots), can censor anyone who points out bugs on its beta versions, brigading such posts and making them disappear from view. With this tyrannical attitude, it can pass the image of a unfailing mod, the definitive mod which is the best of the best, building hype, promoting youtube videos and making money from ads attached to such videos (or from crowdfunding). The years pass and this project never ends, because the hype around it is giving profit to its authors, and anyone who points bugs from beta versions is promptly censored in its sub. Multiply this a hundred times and you have a toxic scene where modding stagnates around who build the more hype, not who releases content with less bugs, or even functional content. This is just one of the effects of Reddit censorship, not to be seem in any other forum, because people blocking each other is just a matter of choice, whereas blocking someone from everybody, because five other people (or bots) decided it, is not.

So reddit came up with a convenient easy to read platform and people naturally went somewhere they can talk to people with similar opinions? This is a problem. Okay. LoversLab is the main source for porn mods for Bethesda games, if my tiny forum lost users because this one's better making the same argument would get me laughed at. Lemme ask you something; If you're not one of those people why do you care? Are those people even worth your time?

You're being dismissive but also acting like it's the end of the world when very clearly it is not, none of this is forced, and you look down on these people but won't stop complaining about them. You put yourself in a situation you don't like so you can be angry at it? The internet is still a place you can share opinions and these websites, like this one you're posting on, aren't vanishing or moving out entirely into reddit and lemme tell ya opinions aren't the only reason these forums get phased out.

 

I think the one with the distorted view is you, my dude. If you walk into a biker bar and tell the biker gang at the main table you think trucks are better and Harley Davidson sucks ass you'll get "beat". You don't walk into a place that's got a clear image of what they like and dislike and say "fuck this particular thing I'm a rebel." Reddit has the very organic system of the community itself deciding what it likes, subreddits aren't automatically spawned they're made by people, like websites and those people are as free to do as they like as the admins in this website are because again subreddits are largely managed by people assigned to do so by whoever made the subreddit in the first place. That's all it is, and if you were slighted and you're bitter now that's entirely on you. No one's forcing you to go to reddit either, you're just making it seem like people shouldn't be allowed to make decisions based on their tastes. People naturally gravitate to what they like and walking into a group with one view to yell at them will put you at odds. You act like this is unnatural.

What would happen if you posted on this site that you don't like porn mods and think they're weird? Your thread would either get trolls, or ignored, and eventually fade out into the back of the boards. Why would you even try that? Reddit just automates that slightly more doesn't it? If the community dislikes something, they can speed that up. Same thing really.

 

Brigading happens everywhere, and it's so much easier to get someone silenced on twitter and facebook because they have ACTUAL algorithms and site-wide bots that ban first and ask questions later. Youtube too, they have shadow-bans and real censorship as opposed to ignoring or down-voting your opinion, they'll hide your videos, some people's videos you can write out the title exactly and they'll be several slots down because of this system. Reddit may be the one place where mods have to make a "conscious effort(hurr hurr)" to ban you and get rid of your opinion if they don't like it and that's because like in any individually managed site like this one we're in the owners decide what's right, that's what subreddits are like, it's basically Discord servers. Unless something majorly bad is going on the "they" don't care. You guys are genuinely giving examples of what other places do but applying them to reddit somehow. I don't understand this fundamental misunderstanding of what the website is like and I gotta imagine it's just blind complaining for the sake of it at this point because it seems unreasonably incorrect. Maybe you guys actually think every subreddit is created by the "system" and managed to remain within constraints, when it's actually modded just like this site and maintained by those people and whoever created it.

 

Edit: Formatting? Should've been more conservative with linebreaks.

Less ugly novel now.

[DremoraDream]

Lurking here for a while...

I love this thread. This type of discussion is honestly what Reddit used to be like 5, maybe 5+ years ago. There were people looking to debate, bounce ideas, share content, inspire, teach, etc. 

It's the current reddit trend, upvote/downvote system, and generally the competition for internet points that make me miss old tumblr and the pre-mainstream days of reddit. 

And as some of you mentioned, Twitter follows the same suit now as well, except its system isn't built in. But the reason it's present is why I tried my hand and decided to drop my twitter altogether. Twitter just seems like it's the "Clique" version of reddit now.

My point and contribution to this thread? ... I miss Tumblr...

[GrimReaper]

1 hour ago, megamantaray said:

Yes, you'll only read what the majority want because it's what's popular in that subreddit, I don't understand what the problem is. That's how Pages and Groups work in Facebook. That's how real life discussion forums have always worked too. If you have an opinion that's unpopular the general public, or people in that group will be like "eh fuck off m8." Twitter accounts can pin posts they like, or retweet them and filter out stuff they don't care for, unfollow people they don't wanna listen to.

You have power trips, vague guidelines, bubbles, biases and bullshit on twitter, it's even worse because the site itself actively censors wrongthink on a site-wide level. You're saying you're against popularity and trends dictating what's promoted? With twitter and other social media you can just not look up things you disagree with. At least on reddit a post has a chance to get off the ground because you don't have to specifically follow a person for their views or discussions to come to you. I don't see the problem. Rules are set on a subreddit specific level too, there are site-wide rules of course but for the most part subreddits are micromanaged.

You can always find a subreddit with good mods, or hell even make your own and manage it how you want. If you want change, be the change you want and all that. You can also just not go to a subreddit you don't like that you know actively censors you, same as you don't have to go to the Nexus if you hate it there. Make a subreddit, a website, or a Facebook group and manage it fairly, promote content that incites discussion, etc. Just because the biggest one is

Groups work like that if you consciously enter and become a part of the group. Real life discussions aren't anything like reddit, unless you have a close circle of friends and even then conflict can errupt sometimes if two or more people disagree on something, even if it's something trivial. You can of course tell people to fuck off, but you can't shut them down by pressing a button. And yes, I already said that the people problem exists across all forms of communications, so I'm not sure what you're getting at because my whole argument is that reddit has all of that and then some, meaning automatically curated content. You either join the majority* or you keep silent.

 

Again, it's not about the problems that come in general with modern communication. If you go on 4chan or any other imageboard, you'll have the opposite problem, a lack of moderation mean it's 40% shitposts, 40% morons thinking they're in good company and 20% of at least somewhat meaningful content. Despite these flaws, anonymous interaction cuts out a lot of the social pressure bullshit that's happening on the internet, which is what happens if you try to recreate a social environment that's more akin to the highschool than anything else.

 

*It doesn't really need to be the majority, just the active minority because many people won't actually click on the like or dislike button. Can be observed on youtube, too, where the view to like ratio is somewhere around 100 : 4 for successful videos.

[megamantaray]

15 hours ago, GrimReaper said:

Groups work like that if you consciously enter and become a part of the group. Real life discussions aren't anything like reddit, unless you have a close circle of friends and even then conflict can errupt sometimes if two or more people disagree on something, even if it's something trivial. You can of course tell people to fuck off, but you can't shut them down by pressing a button. And yes, I already said that the people problem exists across all forms of communications, so I'm not sure what you're getting at because my whole argument is that reddit has all of that and then some, meaning automatically curated content. You either join the majority* or you keep silent.

 

Again, it's not about the problems that come in general with modern communication. If you go on 4chan or any other imageboard, you'll have the opposite problem, a lack of moderation mean it's 40% shitposts, 40% morons thinking they're in good company and 20% of at least somewhat meaningful content. Despite these flaws, anonymous interaction cuts out a lot of the social pressure bullshit that's happening on the internet, which is what happens if you try to recreate a social environment that's more akin to the highschool than anything else.

 

*It doesn't really need to be the majority, just the active minority because many people won't actually click on the like or dislike button. Can be observed on youtube, too, where the view to like ratio is somewhere around 100 : 4 for successful videos.

Then we're back to square 1 and I don't know how to explain this in any other ways because I've done it already.

1. Reddit is a pile of individual micromanaged communities just like this website and the Nexus. Subreddits is subject only to A/ the moderation just like here and B/ What the community itself believes is good content which makes it on par or better than twitter as opposed to worse. If you don't like reddit because it gives the community itself the power to decide what they want to see that's a personal problem. If you think the website itself is actively censoring users or threads it doesn't like the same way Facebook and Twitter do then you're objectively wrong and furthermore the site admins will rarely intervene in anything that isn't an extreme breach in the rules or illegal since most often moderators will take care of things in their own subs. Either that or they'll have an user revolt and if that doesn't pay off those users will make a new subreddit and migrate to it with other users that agreed with them. Essentially creating a different bubble elsewhere. UNLIKE REDDIT where mods in subs can dictate what to censor if they even want to truly censor someone as opposed to their thread being moved down there queue because it's not popular, twitter actually has a systematic approach to censorship in the way of bannable wrongthink.

2. Groups like reddit subs only affect you if you consciously enter them and become part of the group. You don't have to go to reddit or twitter, or the nexus or LL, or anywhere really. If your thread sucks it sucks, move on like an adult or try to debate people, the majority of people are assholes anywhere you go but you might end up having a good discussion. Who knows. You can't systematically control what people say or do with or to your post once it's out there. That'd be a little hypocritical. If a subreddit sucks that's great, make your own, talk to people in DMs, or find a better one, I didn't like the Nexus so I came here it's that easy. Whereas you can be auto-banned from the entirety of twitter for having said anything even mildly offensive, or because your name's edgy on facebook, a mod can only do so much to you on reddit, you can always find a different sub to hang out at and if your thread's downvoted to oblivion and vanishes that's basically what would happen anyway. Again if I posted some dumb shit here I'd either get modded and my thread deleted, a warning placed maybe with restrictions, or at the very least some unsavoury posts before the thread eventually faded into oblivion on its own. All the downvotes do is very lightly expedite the process to push down posts that people don't like. You can always sort them by other criteria than Hot/Best/Etc. you can even find the least liked threads if you try.

3. Lastly, that reddit caused the internet to become the way it is now is still asinine and indefensible, online forums were always like this, IRC rooms, game lobbies, etc. which predate reddit by a long shot were always like this, it just always depends on the mods and admins of those individual communities. Mods and admins can always choose to take an active role if they want to, reddit's just got a system in place for the community to decide what it likes and push out stuff they don't, a post with a lot of downvotes isn't deleted it's just filtered down because it's bad, mods have to take an active role in deleting it if they want to just like anywhere else and again you can still find them if you try, or if you hate a person who made a post you don't like but the community likes you can downvote it and block them or whatever just like aaaaanywhere else. I don't see that as a problem or a negative feature but you guys seem to think it's tantamount to censorship.

 

Sidenote; The "silent majority" that's always lurking doesn't matter, I don't know why you'd mention them. If they don't care enough to even click a like or dislike button they wouldn't care about much else. They would be just as affected by a thread being downvoted that as they would be by a thread being on top of the board. They're there to lurk to begin with, why do they care or matter? Why did you mention this? If you're not engaging in a community you're not a part of it, if you don't have a voice you don't have a voice. I hope this isn't some appeal to pity because the poor outsiders don't get to see downvoted posts. They can sort the board just like anyone else, but if they're gonna be lurking why would they try?

 

Basically y'all just mad cos reddit has a feature that lets people choose what they want to see in their communities, and you're acting like it's the only place where mods can have power trips and go on a deleting spree to support this for no reason.

[sfdrake]

On 1/17/2020 at 4:55 PM, Wolfstorm321 said:

This is actually good news. People should stop using Reddit. That place is a cesspool of hate and negativity. The most toxic forum in the internet.

I think Twitter is worse than Reddit......