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So. I have problem with dark faces on npc's. It occurs on every character except children and pc. I dunno how to fix it. Can someone please help?

Here's load order

  0  0     Skyrim.esm
  1  1     Update.esm
  2  2     Dawnguard.esm
  3  3     HearthFires.esm
  4  4     Dragonborn.esm
  5  5     Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
  6  6     actorEvents.esm
  7  7     SexLab.esm
  8  8     Devious Devices - Assets.esm
  9  9     SexLabAroused.esm
 10  a     ZaZAnimationPack.esm
 11  b     RaceCompatibility.esm
 12  c     BDSMMechanics.esm
 13  d     MariaBase.esm
 14  e     battlenymphs.esm
 15  f     Campfire.esm
 16 10     Devious Devices - Integration.esm
 17 11     ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
 18 12     Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm
 19 13     Amputator.esm
 20 14     ApachiiHair.esm
 21 15     ApachiiHairFemales.esm
 22 16     ApachiiHairMales.esm
 23 17     BeeingFemale.esm
 24 18     CreatureFramework.esm
 25 19     Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
 26 1a     GeneralStores.esm
 27 1b     hdtHighHeel.esm
 28 1c     Heels Sound.esm
 29 1d     paradise_halls.esm
 30 1e     PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm
 31 1f     Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
 32 20     SGHairPackBase.esm
 33 21     Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm
 34 22     12FemaleBrows.esp
 35 23     WetandCold.esp
 36 24     AOS.esp
 37 25     The Great Cities - Minor Cities and Towns.esp
 38 26     3DNPC.esp
 39 27     MilkModNEW.esp
 40 28     RealShelter.esp
 41 29     Prettier Bandits.esp
 42 2a     MilkMod_MilkPumpsFancy.esp
 43 2b     TW3MO.esp
 44 2c     RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
 45 2d     OBIS.esp
 46 2e     SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
 47 2f     SimplyKnock.esp
 48 30     SL Survival.esp
 49 31     SexLabNudeCreatures.esp
 50 32     SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp
 51 33     SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp
 52 34     SexyBanditCaptives.esp
 53 35     HentaiCreatures.esp
 54 36     sanguinesDebauchery.esp
 55 37     Immersive Encounters.esp
 56 38     SMIM-Merged-All.esp
 57 39     goldpilesyum.esp
 58 3a     Run For Your Lives.esp
 59 3b     Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
 60 3c     NorthernCardinal.esp
 61 3d     SkyUI.esp
 62 3e     Hunterborn.esp
 63 3f     zTrap.esp
 64 40     Frostfall.esp
 65 41     Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp
 66 42     SexLab_Dialogues.esp
 67 43     SexLab-Parasites.esp
 68 44     KS Hairdo's.esp
 69 45     LovelyHairstylesCE.esp
 70 46     SGHairPackAIO.esp
 71 47     DeadlyMutilation.esp
 72 48     Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp
 73 49     MariaQuests.esp
 74 4a     SpousesEnhanced.esp
 75 4b     TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
 76 4c     Ultimate NPC Overhaul II.esp
 77 4d     Immersive Weapons.esp
 78 4e     ABT - Kevkas All-in-One.esp
 79 4f     Ada Wong Spy Outfit.esp
 80 50     adcSexlife.esp
 81 51     UIExtensions.esp
 82 52     AddItemMenuLE.esp
 83 53     AK- Clothe Dead NPCs.esp
 84 54     AmputatorFrameworkRecipe.esp
 85 55     Animallica.esp
 86 56     AnubAnimObj.esp
 87 57     dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
 88 58     dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp
 89 59     AOS2_EBT Patch.esp
 90 5a     AOS2_WetandCold Patch.esp
 91 5b     Apropos2.esp
 92 5c     Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
 93 5d     BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp
 94 5e     BLEED.esp
 95 5f     Blush When Aroused.esp
 96 60     bm_SimpleAction.esp
 97 61     brawlbug-plugin.esp
 98 62     Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
 99 63     chfshPlayerVoicesets.esp
100 64     CiriOutfit.esp
101 65     CiriOutfit - Recolors.esp
102 66     yps-ImmersivePiercing.esp
103 67     Gigaduex_Outfit.esp
104 68     ClumsinessMod.esp
105 69     dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
106 6a     dD-Medium Script Range.esp
107 6b     dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
108 6c     dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp
109 6d     Dead Body Collision.esp
110 6e     DeadlyCombat.esp
111 6f     DeadlyCombat_GiantsAIFix.esp
112 70     DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp
113 71     DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
114 72     EiriesOhmesRaht.esp
115 73     Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp
116 74     testSlowMotion.esp
117 75     EstrusChaurus.esp
118 76     Sneak Tools.esp
119 77     FISS.esp
120 78     FNIS.esp
121 79     Follow me for Sex.esp
122 7a     Footprints.esp
123 7b     GagSFX.esp
124 7c     Headtracking.esp
125 7d     HN66_NAILS4ALL.esp
126 7e     Immersive detection of NPC.esp
127 7f     Immersive Speechcraft.esp
128 80     JaxonzEnhGrab.esp
129 81     Kaw's Claws.esp
130 82     kuerteeSimpleMultipleFollowers.esp
131 83     Liliana Outfit.esp
132 84     Locational Damage.esp
133 85     Luxury Collection.esp
134 86     Luxury Collection Vendor.esp
135 87     MeridaHair.esp
136 88     MilkModNEW CF.esp
137 89     MilkModNEW HF.esp
138 8a     MilkModNEW ZaZ Sanbox.esp
139 8b     Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp
140 8c     More Interesting Loot for Skyrim.esp
141 8d     MoreNastyCritters.esp
142 8e     MorePainfulNPCDeathSounds.esp
143 8f     SexLabDefeat.esp
144 90     mslDeviousCaptures.esp
145 91     No More Glowing Edges.esp
146 92     Nordic Warmaiden Body Hair.esp
147 93     NusbieVoices.esp
148 94     OBISDB.esp
149 95     paradise_halls_farengars_study.esp
150 96     Player Size Adjuster.esp
151 97     Purewaters.esp
152 98     RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
153 99     RaceMenu.esp
154 9a     RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp
155 9b     RaceMenuPlugin.esp
156 9c     Real Flying.esp
157 9d     RegnPiercings.esp
158 9e     RND_PureWaters-Patch.esp
159 9f     SC07SexLabRandomAttack.esp
160 a0     Scary Traps - 2x Damage.esp
161 a1     Scary Traps.esp
162 a2     Scary Traps - No Swinging Blades - 2x Damage.esp
163 a3     Scary Traps - No Swinging Blades.esp
164 a4     Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
165 a5     SexLab Sound FX Replacer.esp
166 a6     SexLab Warmbodies.esp
167 a7     SexLabTools.esp
168 a8     Skill Config.esp
169 a9     SkyTweak.esp
170 aa     SLAnimLoader.esp
171 ab     SlaveTats.esp
172 ac     SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp
173 ad     SLPGN.esp
174 ae     Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
175 af     Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
176 b0     SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp
177 b1     SOS - Grower - Extended.esp
178 b2     SOS - Pubic Hair for Females Addon.esp
179 b3     SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
180 b4     SOSRaceMenu.esp
181 b5     The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
182 b6     TKDodge.esp
183 b7     UltimateCombat.esp
184 b8     vImmersiveBeds - HFDG.esp
185 b9     vImmersiveBeds.esp
186 ba     WeightMorphs.esp
187 bb     WetandCold - Ashes.esp
188 bc     WetFunction.esp
189 bd     wizDynamicThings.esp
190 be     XPMSE.esp
191 bf     zzArmormashups.esp
192 c0     zzEstrus.esp
193 c1     SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
194 c2     FireBurns.esp
195 c3     Devious Devices - Equip.esp
196 c4     Shiva's Vanilla Clothing Replacer.esp
197 c5     UUNP Vanilla Outfits.esp
198 c6     MariaDevices.esp
199 c7     Sexual Vampire Feed.esp
200 c8     MariaProstitution.esp
201 c9     MariaQuickStart.esp
202 ca     HighHeelsPack.esp
203 cb     SexyBanditCaptives_ApachiiHair.esp
204 cc     DeviousBodyAlteration.esp
205 cd     SexLab Strapon.esp
206 ce     ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
207 cf     ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
208 d0     H2135PirateSeries1.esp
209 d1     [Melodic] Woodland Rogue.esp
210 d2     Holiday Gift Hairdos.esp
211 d3     TDNEquipableHorns.esp
212 d4     HDTTailsEquipable.esp
213 d5     SliderEarsTailsHorns.esp
214 d6     Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
215 d7     RSPatch.esp
216 d8     DeadlyCombat_ASIS_Patch.esp
 

Posted
21 minutes ago, kupa11 said:

So. I have problem with dark faces on npc's. It occurs on every character except children and pc. I dunno how to fix it. Can someone please help?

Here's load order

  0  0     Skyrim.esm
  1  1     Update.esm
  2  2     Dawnguard.esm
  3  3     HearthFires.esm
  4  4     Dragonborn.esm
  5  5     Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
  6  6     actorEvents.esm
  7  7     SexLab.esm
  8  8     Devious Devices - Assets.esm
  9  9     SexLabAroused.esm
 10  a     ZaZAnimationPack.esm
 11  b     RaceCompatibility.esm
 12  c     BDSMMechanics.esm
 13  d     MariaBase.esm
 14  e     battlenymphs.esm
 15  f     Campfire.esm
 16 10     Devious Devices - Integration.esm
 17 11     ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
 18 12     Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm
 19 13     Amputator.esm
 20 14     ApachiiHair.esm
 21 15     ApachiiHairFemales.esm
 22 16     ApachiiHairMales.esm
 23 17     BeeingFemale.esm
 24 18     CreatureFramework.esm
 25 19     Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
 26 1a     GeneralStores.esm
 27 1b     hdtHighHeel.esm
 28 1c     Heels Sound.esm
 29 1d     paradise_halls.esm
 30 1e     PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm
 31 1f     Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
 32 20     SGHairPackBase.esm
 33 21     Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm
 34 22     12FemaleBrows.esp
 35 23     WetandCold.esp
 36 24     AOS.esp
 37 25     The Great Cities - Minor Cities and Towns.esp
 38 26     3DNPC.esp
 39 27     MilkModNEW.esp
 40 28     RealShelter.esp
 41 29     Prettier Bandits.esp
 42 2a     MilkMod_MilkPumpsFancy.esp
 43 2b     TW3MO.esp
 44 2c     RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
 45 2d     OBIS.esp
 46 2e     SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
 47 2f     SimplyKnock.esp
 48 30     SL Survival.esp
 49 31     SexLabNudeCreatures.esp
 50 32     SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp
 51 33     SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp
 52 34     SexyBanditCaptives.esp
 53 35     HentaiCreatures.esp
 54 36     sanguinesDebauchery.esp
 55 37     Immersive Encounters.esp
 56 38     SMIM-Merged-All.esp
 57 39     goldpilesyum.esp
 58 3a     Run For Your Lives.esp
 59 3b     Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
 60 3c     NorthernCardinal.esp
 61 3d     SkyUI.esp
 62 3e     Hunterborn.esp
 63 3f     zTrap.esp
 64 40     Frostfall.esp
 65 41     Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp
 66 42     SexLab_Dialogues.esp
 67 43     SexLab-Parasites.esp
 68 44     KS Hairdo's.esp
 69 45     LovelyHairstylesCE.esp
 70 46     SGHairPackAIO.esp
 71 47     DeadlyMutilation.esp
 72 48     Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp
 73 49     MariaQuests.esp
 74 4a     SpousesEnhanced.esp
 75 4b     TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
 76 4c     Ultimate NPC Overhaul II.esp
 77 4d     Immersive Weapons.esp
 78 4e     ABT - Kevkas All-in-One.esp
 79 4f     Ada Wong Spy Outfit.esp
 80 50     adcSexlife.esp
 81 51     UIExtensions.esp
 82 52     AddItemMenuLE.esp
 83 53     AK- Clothe Dead NPCs.esp
 84 54     AmputatorFrameworkRecipe.esp
 85 55     Animallica.esp
 86 56     AnubAnimObj.esp
 87 57     dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
 88 58     dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp
 89 59     AOS2_EBT Patch.esp
 90 5a     AOS2_WetandCold Patch.esp
 91 5b     Apropos2.esp
 92 5c     Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
 93 5d     BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp
 94 5e     BLEED.esp
 95 5f     Blush When Aroused.esp
 96 60     bm_SimpleAction.esp
 97 61     brawlbug-plugin.esp
 98 62     Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
 99 63     chfshPlayerVoicesets.esp
100 64     CiriOutfit.esp
101 65     CiriOutfit - Recolors.esp
102 66     yps-ImmersivePiercing.esp
103 67     Gigaduex_Outfit.esp
104 68     ClumsinessMod.esp
105 69     dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
106 6a     dD-Medium Script Range.esp
107 6b     dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
108 6c     dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp
109 6d     Dead Body Collision.esp
110 6e     DeadlyCombat.esp
111 6f     DeadlyCombat_GiantsAIFix.esp
112 70     DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp
113 71     DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
114 72     EiriesOhmesRaht.esp
115 73     Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp
116 74     testSlowMotion.esp
117 75     EstrusChaurus.esp
118 76     Sneak Tools.esp
119 77     FISS.esp
120 78     FNIS.esp
121 79     Follow me for Sex.esp
122 7a     Footprints.esp
123 7b     GagSFX.esp
124 7c     Headtracking.esp
125 7d     HN66_NAILS4ALL.esp
126 7e     Immersive detection of NPC.esp
127 7f     Immersive Speechcraft.esp
128 80     JaxonzEnhGrab.esp
129 81     Kaw's Claws.esp
130 82     kuerteeSimpleMultipleFollowers.esp
131 83     Liliana Outfit.esp
132 84     Locational Damage.esp
133 85     Luxury Collection.esp
134 86     Luxury Collection Vendor.esp
135 87     MeridaHair.esp
136 88     MilkModNEW CF.esp
137 89     MilkModNEW HF.esp
138 8a     MilkModNEW ZaZ Sanbox.esp
139 8b     Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp
140 8c     More Interesting Loot for Skyrim.esp
141 8d     MoreNastyCritters.esp
142 8e     MorePainfulNPCDeathSounds.esp
143 8f     SexLabDefeat.esp
144 90     mslDeviousCaptures.esp
145 91     No More Glowing Edges.esp
146 92     Nordic Warmaiden Body Hair.esp
147 93     NusbieVoices.esp
148 94     OBISDB.esp
149 95     paradise_halls_farengars_study.esp
150 96     Player Size Adjuster.esp
151 97     Purewaters.esp
152 98     RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
153 99     RaceMenu.esp
154 9a     RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp
155 9b     RaceMenuPlugin.esp
156 9c     Real Flying.esp
157 9d     RegnPiercings.esp
158 9e     RND_PureWaters-Patch.esp
159 9f     SC07SexLabRandomAttack.esp
160 a0     Scary Traps - 2x Damage.esp
161 a1     Scary Traps.esp
162 a2     Scary Traps - No Swinging Blades - 2x Damage.esp
163 a3     Scary Traps - No Swinging Blades.esp
164 a4     Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
165 a5     SexLab Sound FX Replacer.esp
166 a6     SexLab Warmbodies.esp
167 a7     SexLabTools.esp
168 a8     Skill Config.esp
169 a9     SkyTweak.esp
170 aa     SLAnimLoader.esp
171 ab     SlaveTats.esp
172 ac     SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp
173 ad     SLPGN.esp
174 ae     Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
175 af     Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
176 b0     SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp
177 b1     SOS - Grower - Extended.esp
178 b2     SOS - Pubic Hair for Females Addon.esp
179 b3     SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
180 b4     SOSRaceMenu.esp
181 b5     The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
182 b6     TKDodge.esp
183 b7     UltimateCombat.esp
184 b8     vImmersiveBeds - HFDG.esp
185 b9     vImmersiveBeds.esp
186 ba     WeightMorphs.esp
187 bb     WetandCold - Ashes.esp
188 bc     WetFunction.esp
189 bd     wizDynamicThings.esp
190 be     XPMSE.esp
191 bf     zzArmormashups.esp
192 c0     zzEstrus.esp
193 c1     SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
194 c2     FireBurns.esp
195 c3     Devious Devices - Equip.esp
196 c4     Shiva's Vanilla Clothing Replacer.esp
197 c5     UUNP Vanilla Outfits.esp
198 c6     MariaDevices.esp
199 c7     Sexual Vampire Feed.esp
200 c8     MariaProstitution.esp
201 c9     MariaQuickStart.esp
202 ca     HighHeelsPack.esp
203 cb     SexyBanditCaptives_ApachiiHair.esp
204 cc     DeviousBodyAlteration.esp
205 cd     SexLab Strapon.esp
206 ce     ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
207 cf     ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
208 d0     H2135PirateSeries1.esp
209 d1     [Melodic] Woodland Rogue.esp
210 d2     Holiday Gift Hairdos.esp
211 d3     TDNEquipableHorns.esp
212 d4     HDTTailsEquipable.esp
213 d5     SliderEarsTailsHorns.esp
214 d6     Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
215 d7     RSPatch.esp
216 d8     DeadlyCombat_ASIS_Patch.esp
 

This is from the Support Thread (on Nexus) for Ultimate NPC Overhaul:

 

Alright looks like its an issue with any mod that edits a large number of npcs using high quality hair and face data. you can fix it, from what i understand by uninstalling the mod, opening the creation kit and exporting the face gen of all default skyrim npc's a few at a time. im not going to bother with that and just download a few mods for y favorite followers instead.

Posted
On 10/4/2019 at 7:40 PM, Psalam said:

This is from the Support Thread (on Nexus) for Ultimate NPC Overhaul:

 

Alright looks like its an issue with any mod that edits a large number of npcs using high quality hair and face data. you can fix it, from what i understand by uninstalling the mod, opening the creation kit and exporting the face gen of all default skyrim npc's a few at a time. im not going to bother with that and just download a few mods for y favorite followers instead.

I don't really know how to do it, can you explain how?

Posted
35 minutes ago, kupa11 said:

I don't really know how to do it, can you explain how?

First you should understand that the problem is with the mod. It has not exported some necessary information and so the faces look the way they do. This is discussed in the Creation Kit (CK). So, your first choice is simply to use another NPC overhaul mod. There are plenty of good ones out there.

 

To fix the dark face bug you really need the CK. If you own a legal copy of Skyrim then you can download this from Steam. After opening the CK (making the Ultimate NPC Overhaul your active file), go to the Actors section (it will list all the characters in the game). Then it reasonably sized groups (ten works well) select the actors and then hit Ctrl+F4. The CK will ask if you want to export the facegendata and you say yes. Wait a few seconds (or possibly longer depending on how many you choose and the capabilities of your machine) and it will confirm that the faces have been exported. Repeat this with the next group, and the group after that, etc. Now you see why using a different NPC Overhaul might be the best solution.

Posted
3 hours ago, Psalam said:

First you should understand that the problem is with the mod. It has not exported some necessary information and so the faces look the way they do. This is discussed in the Creation Kit (CK). So, your first choice is simply to use another NPC overhaul mod. There are plenty of good ones out there.

 

To fix the dark face bug you really need the CK. If you own a legal copy of Skyrim then you can download this from Steam. After opening the CK (making the Ultimate NPC Overhaul your active file), go to the Actors section (it will list all the characters in the game). Then it reasonably sized groups (ten works well) select the actors and then hit Ctrl+F4. The CK will ask if you want to export the facegendata and you say yes. Wait a few seconds (or possibly longer depending on how many you choose and the capabilities of your machine) and it will confirm that the faces have been exported. Repeat this with the next group, and the group after that, etc. Now you see why using a different NPC Overhaul might be the best solution.

You know any good npc overhaul mod? And which mods in my load order are making this problem if you know. And can i use CK if I use Mod organizer?

Posted
23 minutes ago, kupa11 said:

You know any good npc overhaul mod? And which mods in my load order are making this problem if you know. And can i use CK if I use Mod organizer?

I know lots of good NPC overhauls but, since you seem like a smart guy, let me suggest this: open a thread on the forum just above this one (entitled Skyrim:General Discussion). Ask the question there (what are the best NPC overhauls and why) and see what the community as a whole suggests. Further, if you look at old threads in that forum you'll probably find more than one that already asked this question (but, who knows, maybe there's a new one that's good that didn't show up before).

 

The reason I quoted the Ultimate NPC Overhaul Support Thread was to show that it was THAT mod that was causing your issue.

 

I'm no expert on MO BUT I know a lot of mod makers who use MO and therefore it must be possible to use both. I certainly am unaware of any reason that the two can't be used in tandem.

Posted
On 10/4/2019 at 12:19 PM, kupa11 said:

 

 - snip -

 

216 d8     DeadlyCombat_ASIS_Patch.esp
 

 

Do you have the High Resolution Pack installed?  Often called "black face" is usually caused by a funky body specular map. Are you using a custom race mod or custom skin? 

 

Posted

Nice to know, You help a lot Grey :)...

I'm Gonna help You even more

 

Look

 

//Edit:

Now instead of 1 MAYBE usefull answer we have 3 SHIT Answers :o...

Great Job !...

 

//Edit2:

You know Gray... this makes your answer even WORSE than NO ANSWER :P

:o !... Ohhh im so fking good at strategic games xG

 

//Edit3:

Btw. my answer was created on my own exprince, i too had once black faces and it was because...

well because of what ? :o... Gray, i hope You will help him :P...

 

You RUDE MAN :o !...

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Posted
On 10/4/2019 at 7:19 PM, kupa11 said:

So. I have problem with dark faces on npc's. It occurs on every character except children and pc. I dunno how to fix it. Can someone please help?

Here's load order

 

is the face gray or black?

go in game

open console

click on afflicted npc

tell me which ESP made the last edit to their appearance

then disable that mod/ESP in MO for qwik and ez fix

 

good female npc overhauls are bijin+ pandorable's packs

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