CTD after loading on New Game Start

KillJoyTROV · April 20, 2019

Can someone help me? I just moved back to oldrim and started modding my game again. Most of the mods I have are ones I've had working before, and some are new. Now, my game starts up fine through SKSE and gets to the main menu. Problem is, when I hit 'New Game' it goes to the loading screen and loads...and then you see a flash of the prison you start in in 'Live Another Life' for a nano second before CTD. I have uninstalled all my animation packs, no success. I installed crash fixes, no dice. I'm using Caffeine ENB and have ENBboost too. I cannot figure out what's going on. Oh, and TESVEdit finds no problems, Loot finds no problems, and I have a bashed patch. Please help!

Here's my Load order:

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
6 6 BeeingFemale.esm
7 7 ZaZAnimationPack.esm
8 8 CreatureFramework.esm
9 9 SexLab.esm
10 a Devious Devices - Assets.esm
11 b SexLabAroused.esm
12 c Devious Devices - Integration.esm
13 d Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
14 e Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
15 f Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm
16 10 TeenVoice.esm
17 11 RidingStyles2.esm
18 12 RSkyrimChildren.esm
19 13 HighResTexturePack01.esp
20 14 HighResTexturePack02.esp
21 15 HighResTexturePack03.esp
22 16 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
23 17 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
24 18 BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp
25 19 12FemaleBrows.esp
26 1a EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
27 1b Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
28 1c RealisticWaterTwo.esp
29 1d Immersive Jewelry.esp
30 1e Civil War Aftermath.esp
31 1f MilkModNEW.esp
32 20 xazPrisonOverhaulPatched.esp
33 21 MilkMod_MilkPumpsFancyNB.esp
34 22 LC_BuildYourNobleHouse.esp
35 23 MoreNastyCritters.esp
36 24 Animal_SOS.esp
37 25 Animated Dragon Wings.esp
38 26 Animated Weapon Enchants.esp
39 27 Man Those Borders!.esp
40 28 SexLab_DibellaCult.esp
41 29 SexLab-Stories.esp
42 2a OwnCivilWar.esp
43 2b RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
44 2c Bandit_Honeypot.esp
45 2d SimpleSlavery.esp
46 2e SexLab-Parasites.esp
47 2f AnimatedParasites.esp
48 30 HornyCreatures.esp
49 31 Bijin AIO.esp
50 32 SexLab_Dialogues.esp
51 33 S_L_U_T_S.esp
52 34 SexLab-StoriesDevious.esp
53 35 Bells of Skyrim.esp
54 36 DestructibleDisplayCases.esp
55 37 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
56 38 Apocalypse - Waterstride Spell Addon.esp
57 39 Apropos2.esp
58 3a dc-untamed-000.esp
59 3b XPMSE.esp
60 3c DeadlyMutilation.esp
61 3d Desire.esp
62 3e DiverseDragonsCollection3.esp
63 3f DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
64 40 DW.esp
65 41 EstrusChaurus.esp
66 42 EstrusDwemer.esp
67 43 EstrusSpider.esp
68 44 FireBurns.esp
69 45 FNIS.esp
70 46 FNISspells.esp
71 47 IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
72 48 Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
73 49 KS Hairdo's.esp
74 4a MilkModNEW HF.esp
75 4b MilkModNEW ZaZ.esp
76 4c MilkyObj.esp
77 4d P1FlyingRing.esp
78 4e Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp
79 4f PerspectivePatchDB.esp
80 50 RaceMenu.esp
81 51 RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
82 52 Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons v2.0.esp
83 53 Real Clouds.esp
84 54 RSChildren.esp
85 55 RSChildren Patch - USLEEP.esp
86 56 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
87 57 SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
88 58 SexLab Inflation Framework.esp
89 59 SexLab Submit.esp
90 5a SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp
91 5b SexLabDefeat.esp
92 5c Simple Slavery Defeat.esp
93 5d SkyUI.esp
94 5e SLAnimLoader.esp
95 5f SlaveTats.esp
96 60 SOS - ERF Horse Penis UUNP - Addon.esp
97 61 SOS - Grower - Extended.esp
98 62 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
99 63 SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
100 64 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
101 65 SOSRaceMenu.esp
102 66 sr_FillHerUp.esp
103 67 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
104 68 Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp
105 69 UIExtensions.esp
106 6a Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
107 6b zzLSAR.esp
108 6c Skysan_GlassNTGBow.esp
109 6d better underwater sight - clearer.esp
110 6e kkdrbreplacer.esp
111 6f musicpack.esp
112 70 KS Hairdos - HDT.esp
113 71 AnubAnimObj.esp
114 72 NibblesAnimObjects.esp
115 73 SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp
116 74 SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp
117 75 SLAL_K4Anims.esp
118 76 SLAL_SHanimAnimObj.esp
119 77 SLALAnimObj.esp
120 78 SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
121 79 DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp
122 7a BFA_CreatureChildActors_V+DG+DB.esp
123 7b BeeingFemale_RS_Patch.esp
124 7c Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
125 7d Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
126 7e Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
127 7f ccas_starts.esp
128 80 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Sladen2019 · April 20, 2019

Are you using FNIS XXL ? If not, you should. Make sure you have UseOSAllocators enabled in CrashFixPlugin.ini and make sure to have SKSE Plugin Preloader installed.

Make sure VideoMemorySizeMb is set correctly.

Nazzzgul666 · April 20, 2019

FNIS XXL doesn't help with CTDs. SKSE Preloader might be a thing, but the common suspect is that you've overwritten XPMSE. Redo that according to your mod manager. Bashed patch might be outdated, dunno which problems that can cause.

*D_ManXX2* · April 20, 2019

could be a skeleton issue or the papyrus overloading when to many mods are active when starting a new game try. are you using any mod orginizer tool ?? if so try to minimize your list to bare minimum like essential mods and leave all else unchecked then start a new game see if your still crashing if leaving the cell is no longer crashing save your game exit and start activing your mod list again and see if that helps.

Neko-Barbare · April 20, 2019

The "normal" new game start is known to be a bit "buggy". I suggest you to use Alternate Start (or maybe you are using it and I don't see it) which can help you starting a new game while the problem isn't solved.

yatol · April 20, 2019

1 minute ago, Neko-Barbare said:

The "normal" new game start is known to be a bit "buggy". I suggest you to use Alternate Start (or maybe you are using it and I don't see it) which can help you starting a new game while the problem isn't solved.

i suggest reading the topic before posting useless stuff

3 hours ago, Killjoycmm1 said:

.and then you see a flash of the prison you start in in 'Live Another Life' for a nano second before CTD.

as for fixing that ctd looking at a load order... nobody can do that

Grey Cloud · April 20, 2019

32 minutes ago, yatol said:

as for fixing that ctd looking at a load order... nobody can do that

So if someone has every animation mod ever made in their load order, that will not give a clue?

So if someone has a mod in there but no sign of one of its masters then this will not give a clue?

So if someone has a load order full of obsolete mods known to have problems, that will not give a clue?

So if someone has a load order stuffed with mods using HD textures, that will not give a clue?

yatol · April 20, 2019

2 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

So if someone has every animation mod ever made in their load order, that will not give a clue?

So if someone has a mod in there but no sign of one of its masters then this will not give a clue?

So if someone has a load order full of obsolete mods known to have problems, that will not give a clue?

So if someone has a load order stuffed with mods using HD textures, that will not give a clue?

where is your fix for his ctd if you can fix it looking at a load order?

Grey Cloud · April 20, 2019

4 minutes ago, yatol said:

where is your fix for his ctd if you can fix it looking at a load order?

My post was aimed at your nonsense, not at the OP. And notice I used the phrase 'give a clue'. And anyway I thought you were going to fix it without looking at the load order.

Grey Cloud · April 20, 2019

4 hours ago, Killjoycmm1 said:

I'm using Caffeine ENB and have ENBboost too

?

Grey Cloud · April 20, 2019

4 hours ago, Killjoycmm1 said:

I have uninstalled all my animation packs, no success

113 71 AnubAnimObj.esp
114 72 NibblesAnimObjects.esp
115 73 SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp
116 74 SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp
117 75 SLAL_K4Anims.esp
118 76 SLAL_SHanimAnimObj.esp
119 77 SLALAnimObj.esp
120 78 SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp

How many animations does FNIS say you have?

Have you tried without the Bashed patch?

If you've been away from Skyrim for some months, did you reinstall it all from memory or did you follow a guide?

KillJoyTROV · April 20, 2019

8 hours ago, Sladen2019 said:

Are you using FNIS XXL ? If not, you should. Make sure you have UseOSAllocators enabled in CrashFixPlugin.ini and make sure to have SKSE Plugin Preloader installed.

Make sure VideoMemorySizeMb is set correctly.

Yes, I'm using XXL. I did the math for the VideoMemorySizeMb using a video memory tester: 22400 - 350 = 22050. I have Windows 10 with a GTX 1060 6GB

KillJoyTROV · April 20, 2019

5 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

113 71 AnubAnimObj.esp
114 72 NibblesAnimObjects.esp
115 73 SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp
116 74 SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp
117 75 SLAL_K4Anims.esp
118 76 SLAL_SHanimAnimObj.esp
119 77 SLALAnimObj.esp
120 78 SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp

How many animations does FNIS say you have?

Have you tried without the Bashed patch?

If you've been away from Skyrim for some months, did you reinstall it all from memory or did you follow a guide?

Total, with all animation packs there is 17k animations. I am using FNIS XXL and, like I said, I have disabled all the animation packs (to give it only the base ones from FNIS itself) to see if the number of anims was the issue. Didn't change a thing.

Oh, and I reinstalled by memory. I had nearly the whole library of Sexlab mods for my oldrim just a few months ago and have been using them for years (meaning I've had to uninstall, reinstall, etc many times). This problem is new to me. At least as far as it doesn't appear to be the anims doing it.

Grey Cloud · April 20, 2019

1. 17K animations is probably too many even with XXL. It's not just the count that matters.

2. If FNIS is reporting 17K then it doesn't matter if they are disabled or not. (Learned that the hard way last night).

3. I didn't mean installing mods, I was referring to the things that need to be done to get a stable Skyrim before you think about mods. See post #2 by Sladen.

KillJoyTROV · April 20, 2019

10 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

1. 17K animations is probably too many even with XXL. It's not just the count that matters.

2. If FNIS is reporting 17K then it doesn't matter if they are disabled or not. (Learned that the hard way last night).

3. I didn't mean installing mods, I was referring to the things that need to be done to get a stable Skyrim before you think about mods. See post #2 by Sladen.

Ok. I will try uninstalling the packs and reinstalling them one by one. This is probably it. Stupid me.

I'm using Vortex. Does that affect anything?

KillJoyTROV · April 20, 2019

And with using FNIS XXL, do I need the mod 'More Sexlab Animations 750'?

Grey Cloud · April 20, 2019

40 minutes ago, Killjoycmm1 said:

And with using FNIS XXL, do I need the mod 'More Sexlab Animations 750'?

I use XXL with 13.5K animations. After installing several mods yesterday (inc the DD trio) I went up to 16K and was crashing on take off every time. I removed one pack at a time until the game loaded. I'm back to about 13.5K animations again.

I've never needed to bother with the SL 750.

Vortex is still in beta. It will have its own issues. :frown:

Let us know how many animations you can have for the game to run.

KillJoyTROV · April 20, 2019

Ok, I found the problem! I was using the XPMSE 32 skeleton from LL. I hadn't noticed FNIS giving me a warning about compatibility. I uninstalled it and downloaded the version from Nexus. BOOM! My game starts fine.

Thanks to you all who commented and helped me out! I hope you all have a great day.

Grey Cloud · April 20, 2019

1 hour ago, Killjoycmm1 said:

Ok, I found the problem! I was using the XPMSE 32 skeleton from LL. I hadn't noticed FNIS giving me a warning about compatibility. I uninstalled it and downloaded the version from Nexus. BOOM! My game starts fine.

Thanks to you all who commented and helped me out! I hope you all have a great day.

There is no difference between the LL and Nexus versions of the skeleton. What is more likely is that you allowed something to overwrite the skeleton when installing your mods. Installing the file from Nexus effectively re-installed the skeleton, overwriting everything else and thus correcting the problem. Nothing should be allowed to overwrite XPMSE

KillJoyTROV · April 20, 2019

19 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

There is no difference between the LL and Nexus versions of the skeleton. What is more likely is that you allowed something to overwrite the skeleton when installing your mods. Installing the file from Nexus effectively re-installed the skeleton, overwriting everything else and thus correcting the problem. Nothing should be allowed to overwrite XPMSE

Hmmm...I try not to allow anything to overwrite it. It does screw everything up. You are probably right though! Thanks again.

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