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Whenever playing the game normally, male NPCs will start to follow me around and open the dialogue menu, but will not say anything (neither will there be subtitles) and there is no dialogue option that I can choose to keep talking to him. When this happens, the NPC will not stop following me and initiating dialogue as soon as I close it. I can disable/enable, resurrect, resetAI, teleport away, set my and his arousal to 0, and he will still start dialogue. During this state, the NPC will not do anything else. He will always walk up and start dialogue, but if I run far away from him he will just stand there inactive until I travel away and wait a few days. The problem doesn't occur very often, perhaps one NPC every 2 or 3 hours of playtime.

 

Most recently it happened with Brynjolf when I was going through Irkngthand. At some point he stopped sneaking along with me, stood up and initiated conversation. So now he won't follow up with Karliah and do the typical quest stuff he's supposed to.

 

Here is the load order:


= Check Mods
This is a report on your currently active/merged mods.

=== Mergeable
Following mods are active, but could be merged into the bashed patch.
* CD - No Catsuits in Outfits.esp
* dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
* SkySight-Simply-Bigger-Trees-Slower-Branches.esp

=== Mods that need cleaning with TES4Edit
Following mods have identical to master (ITM) records, deleted records (UDR), or other issues that should be fixed with TES4Edit.  Visit the TES4Edit Cleaning Guide for more information.
* My Home Is Your Home.esp:  Contains dirty edits, needs cleaning.
* SteamAchievementUnlocker.esp:  Contains dirty edits, needs cleaning.

=== Active Mod Files:
* 00  Skyrim.esm
* 01  Update.esm
* 02  Dawnguard.esm
* 03  HearthFires.esm
* 04  Dragonborn.esm
* 05  Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.13a]
* 06  Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
* 07  AzarHair.esm
* 08  SexLab.esm  [Version 1.62]
* 09  Devious Devices - Assets.esm  [Version 2.8.3]
* 0A  SexLabAroused.esm  [Version 2.6]
* 0B  hdtHighHeel.esm
* 0C  actorEvents.esm
* 0D  ApachiiHair.esm
* 0E  SkyMoMod.esm
* 0F  Solstheim Climate Overhaul.esm
* 10  BSAssets.esm
* 11  BSHeartland.esm
* 12  BS_DLC_patch.esp
* 13  Campfire.esm
* 14  Falskaar.esm
* 15  Devious Devices - Integration.esm
* 16  Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
* 17  ZaZAnimationPack.esm
* 18  Heretical Resources.esm
* 19  CreatureFramework.esm  [Version 1.1.0]
* 1A  RidingStyles2.esm
* 1B  JSwords.esm  [Version 14.0]
* 1C  RE_RealEstate_Core.esp
* 1D  HighResTexturePack01.esp
* 1E  HighResTexturePack02.esp
* 1F  HighResTexturePack03.esp
* 20  Cutting Room Floor.esp  [Version 2.0.8]
* 21  Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
* 22  Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
* 23  Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
* 24  SkyUI.esp
* 25  AchieveThat.esp
* 26  AHZmoreHUD.esp  [Version 2.1.3]
* 27  AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp
* 28  Customizable Camera.esp
* 29  EnchantedArsenal.esp  [Version 2.23]
* 2A  FNIS.esp
* 2B  Hair Physics Project.esp
* 2C  Halo's Poser.esp
* 2D  iHUD.esp
* 2E  RealisticRoomRental.esp
* 2F  SkyRe_Main.esp  [Version USKRP2.5]
* 30  MashupUNP.esp
* 31  RaceMenu.esp
* 32  RaceMenuPlugin.esp
* 33  WetFunction.esp
* 34  nem-e5i5's RaceMenuPlugin.esp
* 35  NK_EyeCusomizationOverhaul.esp
* 36  WetandCold.esp
* 37  AOS.esp  [Version 2.2DGDB]
* 38  3DNPC.esp  [Version 3.4.2]
* 39  Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp  [Version 2.3]
* 3A  Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
* 3B  Tamriel Reloaded Flora.esp
* 3C  Book Covers Skyrim.esp
* 3D  DawnofSkyrim-AllMajorCities.esp
* 3E  KurooNekoPhotoStudio.esp
* 3F  mergebatch1.esp
* 40  SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp
* 41  CCOR_SkyRe_Patch.esp
* 42  Immersive Interiors.esp
* 43  Arthmoor's Skyrim Villages - All In One.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
* 44  tcbm.esp
* 45  SexLab_Solutions.esp
* 46  ShezriesOldHroldan.esp
* 47  OBIS.esp
* 48  TradeRoutes.esp  [Version 2.0]
* 49  RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
* 4A  SkyMoMod Lore-Friendly Standard.esp
* 4B  hydra_slavegirls.esp
* 4C  zThingsInDark.esp
* 4D  Captured Dreams.esp
* 4E  Remove Interior Fog V2 - Full Version.esp
* 4F  RE_RealEstate.esp
* 50  hearthfireextended.esp
* 51  Devious Devices - For the Masses II.esp
* 52  OBISDB.esp
* 53  FtM_3 - OBIS + CCOR.esp
* 54  OBIS Loot.esp
* 55  MoreNastyCritters.esp
* 56  JobsofSkyrim.esp
* 57  Holidays.esp
* 58  animal_mansion_redux.esp
* 59  Thieves Guild Requirements.esp  [Version 3.0]
* 5A  WATER DB Waves.esp
* 5B  SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp
* 5C  Inconsequential NPCs.esp
* 5D  Cloaks.esp
* 5E  RiversideShack.esp
* 5F  sanguinesDebauchery.esp
* 60  Frostfall.esp
* 61  Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp
* 62  SMIM-Merged-All.esp
* 63  SimpleSlavery.esp
* 64  RRR_3DNPC-Patch.esp
* 65  JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp  [Version 14.0]
* 66  Gallowmere.esp
* 67  Duel - Combat Realism.esp
* 68  Action Combat.esp
* 69  All Geared Up.esp
* 6A  FISS.esp
* 6B  AMatterOfTime.esp  [Version 2.00]
* 6C  Unique Uniques.esp  [Version 1.7]
* 6D  AOS2_SkyRe Patch.esp
* 6E  AOS2_GDO Patch.esp  [Version 2.1]
* 6F  BesEss.esp
* 70  Height Adjusted Races with True Giants.esp
* 71  RiverwoodKeep.esp
* 72  TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp
* 73  SFO - Dragonborn.esp
* 74  Provincial Courier Service.esp  [Version 2.0]
* 75  zdd.esp
* 76  SkyRe_StandingStones.esp
* 77  Storefront.esp  [Version 1.0.7]
* 78  ForgottenCity.esp
* 79  TradeBarter.esp
* 7A  The Huntsman.esp  [Version 1.2SkyRe]
* 7B  Armored Circlets.esp
* 7C  Deviously Enslaved.esp
* 7D  Prison.esp
* 7E  Darkend.esp
* 7F  Studio.esp
* 80  MF_RadiantProstitution.esp
* 81  ArtOfTheCatch.esp
* 82  Better Dynamic Snow.esp  [Version 2.4]
* 83  Breezehome Lolis.esp
* 84  YourMarketStall.esp
* 85  Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
* 86  ChildrenAnimationPath.esp
* 87  CrimeDecay.esp
* 88  CShacks.esp
* 89  dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
* 8A  dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Medium.esp
* 8B  Devious Devices - Gags+.esp
* 8C  DeviouslyHelpless.esp
* 8D  DeviousToys.esp
* 8E  Lilarcor.esp  [Version 1.2]
* 8F  Dual Sheath Redux.esp
* 90  DW.esp
* 91  enchantmentcleanser.esp
* 92  FNIS - Shocky Creature Sex Poses.esp.esp
* 93  FNIS - Shocky Creature Sex Poses.esp
* 94  FNIS EIS - Brainsperm.esp
* 95  FNIS EIS - Miscellaneous.esp
* 96  FNIS EIS - Oden.esp
* 97  Footprints.esp
* 98  Footprints - Ash.esp
* 99  HDTPhysicsWeaponSling.esp
* 9A  Headtracking.esp
* 9B  Immersive detection of NPC.esp
* 9C  Inconsequential NPCs - CRF Compatibility Patch.esp
* 9D  more plants all extra.esp
* 9E  NewmillerPiercingsUNPB.esp
* 9F  NIOVHH.esp
* A0  No Skill Limit.esp
* A1  NoAutoSkillBooks(Normal).esp
* A2  NoPsychicLockKnowledge.esp
* A3  pchsImmersivePlugs.esp
* A4  PosePicker.esp
* A5  ReadingTakesTime.esp
* A6  SL_Kidnapped_Redux.esp
* A7  SteamAchievementUnlocker.esp
* A8  SexLabDangerousNights.esp
* A9  SexLabMassMatchMaker.esp
* AA  sextoys-calyps-2.esp
* AB  SkySight-Simply-Bigger-Trees-Slower-Branches.esp
* AC  Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
* AD  Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp
* AE  SimplyKnock.esp
* AF  SkyCompleteLegendary.esp
* B0  SkyRe Light Weaponry Fillout.esp
* B1  SkyRe_HelmlessPerks.esp
* B2  SkyRe_SimplyKnock.esp
* B3  SleepTight.esp
* B4  SplashofRain.esp
* B5  TGTreasureFix.esp
* B6  UIExtensions.esp
* B7  Unique Grasses.esp
* B8  ViewableFactionRanksBothDLC.esp
* B9  WATER DG.esp
* BA  WATER.esp
* BB  WetandCold - Ashes.esp
* BC  Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
* BD  wizDynamicThings.esp
* BE  KomAnimObjects.esp
* BF  dcc-dm2.esp
* C0  FemaleWeaponScale.esp
* C1  Realistic-Voice.esp
* C2  SLAL_K4Anims.esp
* C3  SLAnimLoader.esp
* C4  SkyTweak.esp
* C5  ExMakeup.esp
* C6  SD Addons.esp
* C7  SexlabAchievement.esp
* C8  SlaveTats.esp
* C9  VioLens.esp  [Version 2.11]
* CA  FS_UltimateAssortment.esp
* CB  GPPoses.esp
* CC  Elegant Beauty Stunning Eyes Remastered.esp
* CD  dc-untamed-000.esp
* CE  DeadlyDragons.esp
* CF  Falskaar SkyRe Faction Patch.esp
* D0  merged insanity and lotr.esp
* D1  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Cities - Falkreath.esp
* D2  SkyRe_Combat.esp
* D3  vMYC_MeetYourCharacters.esp
* D4  Prometheus_NSUTR Falskaar Dock.esp  [Version 2.3]
* D5  HFE-CRF-Patch.esp
* D6  JaxonzUtilities.esp
* D7  My Home Is Your Home.esp
* D8  PetCollar.esp
* D9  Real Clouds.esp
* DA  Upgrade Leveled Items Spell.esp
* DB  BSHeartland - Meshes.esp
* DC  BSHeartland - Textures.esp
* DD  Natural Lighting Vivid Atmospherics.esp
* DE  CD - Female Embassy Guards.esp
* DF  CD - No Catsuits in Outfits.esp
* E0  SluttinUpBruma.esp
* E1  SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
* E2  SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp
* E3  SexLabStatsManipulator.esp
* E4  SexLabTools.esp
* E5  BesEssMNCPatch.esp
* E6  DarkendMNCPatch.esp
* E7  HentaiCreatures.esp
* E8  NibblesAnimObjects.esp
* E9  Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
* EA  Dr_Bandolier.esp
* EB  Dr_BandolierDG.esp
* EC  JSwords_Load_Screens.esp  [Version 14.0]
* ED  TradeRoutes-RNaD-Patch.esp
* EE  dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
* EF  Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp  [Version 3.1.6a]
* F0  ccas_starts.esp
* F1  ELE_Legendary_Lite.esp
* F2  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
* F3  ASIS-Dependency.esp
* F4  ASIS.esp
* F5  ReProccer.esp
* F6  Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

 

I think the problem started when I updated the following mods:  Devious Devices, DD Expansion, DD Integration, Cursed Loot, Deviously Enslaved Continued, but I'm not sure since the problem doesn't happen very often.

I've done a clean save when updating, so I also had to disable all the mods that had these as dependencies.

 

Disabling Cursed Loot and DEC doesn't fix it, and I don't want to disable everything else if that's what broke everything in the first place.

 

I'm using the latest SKSE and FNIS XXL, have the latest JContainers as well.

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42 minutes ago, Derk said:

Whenever playing the game normally, male NPCs will start to follow me around and open the dialogue menu, but will not say anything (neither will there be subtitles) and there is no dialogue option that I can choose to keep talking to him. When this happens, the NPC will not stop following me and initiating dialogue as soon as I close it. I can disable/enable, resurrect, resetAI, teleport away, set my and his arousal to 0, and he will still start dialogue. During this state, the NPC will not do anything else. He will always walk up and start dialogue, but if I run far away from him he will just stand there inactive until I travel away and wait a few days. The problem doesn't occur very often, perhaps one NPC every 2 or 3 hours of playtime.

 

Most recently it happened with Brynjolf when I was going through Irkngthand. At some point he stopped sneaking along with me, stood up and initiated conversation. So now he won't follow up with Karliah and do the typical quest stuff he's supposed to.

 

Here is the load order:

 

  Hide contents


= Check Mods
This is a report on your currently active/merged mods.

=== Mergeable
Following mods are active, but could be merged into the bashed patch.
* CD - No Catsuits in Outfits.esp
* dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
* SkySight-Simply-Bigger-Trees-Slower-Branches.esp

=== Mods that need cleaning with TES4Edit
Following mods have identical to master (ITM) records, deleted records (UDR), or other issues that should be fixed with TES4Edit.  Visit the TES4Edit Cleaning Guide for more information.
* My Home Is Your Home.esp:  Contains dirty edits, needs cleaning.
* SteamAchievementUnlocker.esp:  Contains dirty edits, needs cleaning.

=== Active Mod Files:
* 00  Skyrim.esm
* 01  Update.esm
* 02  Dawnguard.esm
* 03  HearthFires.esm
* 04  Dragonborn.esm
* 05  Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.13a]
* 06  Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
* 07  AzarHair.esm
* 08  SexLab.esm  [Version 1.62]
* 09  Devious Devices - Assets.esm  [Version 2.8.3]
* 0A  SexLabAroused.esm  [Version 2.6]
* 0B  hdtHighHeel.esm
* 0C  actorEvents.esm
* 0D  ApachiiHair.esm
* 0E  SkyMoMod.esm
* 0F  Solstheim Climate Overhaul.esm
* 10  BSAssets.esm
* 11  BSHeartland.esm
* 12  BS_DLC_patch.esp
* 13  Campfire.esm
* 14  Falskaar.esm
* 15  Devious Devices - Integration.esm
* 16  Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
* 17  ZaZAnimationPack.esm
* 18  Heretical Resources.esm
* 19  CreatureFramework.esm  [Version 1.1.0]
* 1A  RidingStyles2.esm
* 1B  JSwords.esm  [Version 14.0]
* 1C  RE_RealEstate_Core.esp
* 1D  HighResTexturePack01.esp
* 1E  HighResTexturePack02.esp
* 1F  HighResTexturePack03.esp
* 20  Cutting Room Floor.esp  [Version 2.0.8]
* 21  Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
* 22  Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
* 23  Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
* 24  SkyUI.esp
* 25  AchieveThat.esp
* 26  AHZmoreHUD.esp  [Version 2.1.3]
* 27  AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp
* 28  Customizable Camera.esp
* 29  EnchantedArsenal.esp  [Version 2.23]
* 2A  FNIS.esp
* 2B  Hair Physics Project.esp
* 2C  Halo's Poser.esp
* 2D  iHUD.esp
* 2E  RealisticRoomRental.esp
* 2F  SkyRe_Main.esp  [Version USKRP2.5]
* 30  MashupUNP.esp
* 31  RaceMenu.esp
* 32  RaceMenuPlugin.esp
* 33  WetFunction.esp
* 34  nem-e5i5's RaceMenuPlugin.esp
* 35  NK_EyeCusomizationOverhaul.esp
* 36  WetandCold.esp
* 37  AOS.esp  [Version 2.2DGDB]
* 38  3DNPC.esp  [Version 3.4.2]
* 39  Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp  [Version 2.3]
* 3A  Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
* 3B  Tamriel Reloaded Flora.esp
* 3C  Book Covers Skyrim.esp
* 3D  DawnofSkyrim-AllMajorCities.esp
* 3E  KurooNekoPhotoStudio.esp
* 3F  mergebatch1.esp
* 40  SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp
* 41  CCOR_SkyRe_Patch.esp
* 42  Immersive Interiors.esp
* 43  Arthmoor's Skyrim Villages - All In One.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
* 44  tcbm.esp
* 45  SexLab_Solutions.esp
* 46  ShezriesOldHroldan.esp
* 47  OBIS.esp
* 48  TradeRoutes.esp  [Version 2.0]
* 49  RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
* 4A  SkyMoMod Lore-Friendly Standard.esp
* 4B  hydra_slavegirls.esp
* 4C  zThingsInDark.esp
* 4D  Captured Dreams.esp
* 4E  Remove Interior Fog V2 - Full Version.esp
* 4F  RE_RealEstate.esp
* 50  hearthfireextended.esp
* 51  Devious Devices - For the Masses II.esp
* 52  OBISDB.esp
* 53  FtM_3 - OBIS + CCOR.esp
* 54  OBIS Loot.esp
* 55  MoreNastyCritters.esp
* 56  JobsofSkyrim.esp
* 57  Holidays.esp
* 58  animal_mansion_redux.esp
* 59  Thieves Guild Requirements.esp  [Version 3.0]
* 5A  WATER DB Waves.esp
* 5B  SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp
* 5C  Inconsequential NPCs.esp
* 5D  Cloaks.esp
* 5E  RiversideShack.esp
* 5F  sanguinesDebauchery.esp
* 60  Frostfall.esp
* 61  Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp
* 62  SMIM-Merged-All.esp
* 63  SimpleSlavery.esp
* 64  RRR_3DNPC-Patch.esp
* 65  JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp  [Version 14.0]
* 66  Gallowmere.esp
* 67  Duel - Combat Realism.esp
* 68  Action Combat.esp
* 69  All Geared Up.esp
* 6A  FISS.esp
* 6B  AMatterOfTime.esp  [Version 2.00]
* 6C  Unique Uniques.esp  [Version 1.7]
* 6D  AOS2_SkyRe Patch.esp
* 6E  AOS2_GDO Patch.esp  [Version 2.1]
* 6F  BesEss.esp
* 70  Height Adjusted Races with True Giants.esp
* 71  RiverwoodKeep.esp
* 72  TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp
* 73  SFO - Dragonborn.esp
* 74  Provincial Courier Service.esp  [Version 2.0]
* 75  zdd.esp
* 76  SkyRe_StandingStones.esp
* 77  Storefront.esp  [Version 1.0.7]
* 78  ForgottenCity.esp
* 79  TradeBarter.esp
* 7A  The Huntsman.esp  [Version 1.2SkyRe]
* 7B  Armored Circlets.esp
* 7C  Deviously Enslaved.esp
* 7D  Prison.esp
* 7E  Darkend.esp
* 7F  Studio.esp
* 80  MF_RadiantProstitution.esp
* 81  ArtOfTheCatch.esp
* 82  Better Dynamic Snow.esp  [Version 2.4]
* 83  Breezehome Lolis.esp
* 84  YourMarketStall.esp
* 85  Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
* 86  ChildrenAnimationPath.esp
* 87  CrimeDecay.esp
* 88  CShacks.esp
* 89  dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
* 8A  dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Medium.esp
* 8B  Devious Devices - Gags+.esp
* 8C  DeviouslyHelpless.esp
* 8D  DeviousToys.esp
* 8E  Lilarcor.esp  [Version 1.2]
* 8F  Dual Sheath Redux.esp
* 90  DW.esp
* 91  enchantmentcleanser.esp
* 92  FNIS - Shocky Creature Sex Poses.esp.esp
* 93  FNIS - Shocky Creature Sex Poses.esp
* 94  FNIS EIS - Brainsperm.esp
* 95  FNIS EIS - Miscellaneous.esp
* 96  FNIS EIS - Oden.esp
* 97  Footprints.esp
* 98  Footprints - Ash.esp
* 99  HDTPhysicsWeaponSling.esp
* 9A  Headtracking.esp
* 9B  Immersive detection of NPC.esp
* 9C  Inconsequential NPCs - CRF Compatibility Patch.esp
* 9D  more plants all extra.esp
* 9E  NewmillerPiercingsUNPB.esp
* 9F  NIOVHH.esp
* A0  No Skill Limit.esp
* A1  NoAutoSkillBooks(Normal).esp
* A2  NoPsychicLockKnowledge.esp
* A3  pchsImmersivePlugs.esp
* A4  PosePicker.esp
* A5  ReadingTakesTime.esp
* A6  SL_Kidnapped_Redux.esp
* A7  SteamAchievementUnlocker.esp
* A8  SexLabDangerousNights.esp
* A9  SexLabMassMatchMaker.esp
* AA  sextoys-calyps-2.esp
* AB  SkySight-Simply-Bigger-Trees-Slower-Branches.esp
* AC  Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
* AD  Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp
* AE  SimplyKnock.esp
* AF  SkyCompleteLegendary.esp
* B0  SkyRe Light Weaponry Fillout.esp
* B1  SkyRe_HelmlessPerks.esp
* B2  SkyRe_SimplyKnock.esp
* B3  SleepTight.esp
* B4  SplashofRain.esp
* B5  TGTreasureFix.esp
* B6  UIExtensions.esp
* B7  Unique Grasses.esp
* B8  ViewableFactionRanksBothDLC.esp
* B9  WATER DG.esp
* BA  WATER.esp
* BB  WetandCold - Ashes.esp
* BC  Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
* BD  wizDynamicThings.esp
* BE  KomAnimObjects.esp
* BF  dcc-dm2.esp
* C0  FemaleWeaponScale.esp
* C1  Realistic-Voice.esp
* C2  SLAL_K4Anims.esp
* C3  SLAnimLoader.esp
* C4  SkyTweak.esp
* C5  ExMakeup.esp
* C6  SD Addons.esp
* C7  SexlabAchievement.esp
* C8  SlaveTats.esp
* C9  VioLens.esp  [Version 2.11]
* CA  FS_UltimateAssortment.esp
* CB  GPPoses.esp
* CC  Elegant Beauty Stunning Eyes Remastered.esp
* CD  dc-untamed-000.esp
* CE  DeadlyDragons.esp
* CF  Falskaar SkyRe Faction Patch.esp
* D0  merged insanity and lotr.esp
* D1  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Cities - Falkreath.esp
* D2  SkyRe_Combat.esp
* D3  vMYC_MeetYourCharacters.esp
* D4  Prometheus_NSUTR Falskaar Dock.esp  [Version 2.3]
* D5  HFE-CRF-Patch.esp
* D6  JaxonzUtilities.esp
* D7  My Home Is Your Home.esp
* D8  PetCollar.esp
* D9  Real Clouds.esp
* DA  Upgrade Leveled Items Spell.esp
* DB  BSHeartland - Meshes.esp
* DC  BSHeartland - Textures.esp
* DD  Natural Lighting Vivid Atmospherics.esp
* DE  CD - Female Embassy Guards.esp
* DF  CD - No Catsuits in Outfits.esp
* E0  SluttinUpBruma.esp
* E1  SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
* E2  SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp
* E3  SexLabStatsManipulator.esp
* E4  SexLabTools.esp
* E5  BesEssMNCPatch.esp
* E6  DarkendMNCPatch.esp
* E7  HentaiCreatures.esp
* E8  NibblesAnimObjects.esp
* E9  Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
* EA  Dr_Bandolier.esp
* EB  Dr_BandolierDG.esp
* EC  JSwords_Load_Screens.esp  [Version 14.0]
* ED  TradeRoutes-RNaD-Patch.esp
* EE  dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
* EF  Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp  [Version 3.1.6a]
* F0  ccas_starts.esp
* F1  ELE_Legendary_Lite.esp
* F2  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
* F3  ASIS-Dependency.esp
* F4  ASIS.esp
* F5  ReProccer.esp
* F6  Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

 

 

I think the problem started when I updated the following mods:  Devious Devices, DD Expansion, DD Integration, Cursed Loot, Deviously Enslaved Continued, but I'm not sure since the problem doesn't happen very often.

I've done a clean save when updating, so I also had to disable all the mods that had these as dependencies.

 

Disabling Cursed Loot and DEC doesn't fix it, and I don't want to disable everything else if that's what broke everything in the first place.

 

I'm using the latest SKSE and FNIS XXL, have the latest JContainers as well.

 

 

Your description sounds just like a "force greet" package that is being activated but doesn't contain any dialogue. You can do a couple things to see if I'm right (not 100% guaranteed to prove it but better than nothing). First, when this happens open the console (use the "~" key to do this in an English language keyboard; see UESP Skyrim - a wiki site - for a list for non-English keyboards, just type console in the search box on that site). Then click on the character who is giving you problems (Brynjolf in your description). Along with a bunch of other useful information, about halfway down the right hand side, there should be a line that says something like "last modified by." That is the last mod that affected the character. With any luck, that is your problem mod.

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might be some mod or a combination:

I just went quickly over your load order, many things I dont know (the non lewd mods^^)

but I know that might make issue:

> * 8B  Devious Devices - Gags+.esp => not needed anymore, incl in newest DD, might conflict, remove

 

 

and what psalam said,

unless its a spell effect, you can see those with console too

 

just think what mods might use force greet on your PC or make PCs follow you (like sexlab kidnap, if scene wasnt finished)

or if you have deactivated "teleport" in sexlab and a SLanimation should have triggered but didnt start, they follow you for sexytimes

 

might be from deviously helpless too

 

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2 hours ago, Psalam said:

 

Your description sounds just like a "force greet" package that is being activated but doesn't contain any dialogue. You can do a couple things to see if I'm right (not 100% guaranteed to prove it but better than nothing). First, when this happens open the console (use the "~" key to do this in an English language keyboard; see UESP Skyrim - a wiki site - for a list for non-English keyboards, just type console in the search box on that site). Then click on the character who is giving you problems (Brynjolf in your description). Along with a bunch of other useful information, about halfway down the right hand side, there should be a line that says something like "last modified by." That is the last mod that affected the character. With any luck, that is your problem mod.

I did as you asked, and Brynjolf had nothing, only locate and define, both were Skyrim.esm.

 

I found that if I stand in the middle of Dragonsreach for ~5-10 minutes, eventually one of the guards or other male NPCs comes up to me. When clicking on them with the console, they always had "lastRefrChange=ASIS.esp". I removed ASIS but it still happened, this time it pointed to Unofficial Skyrim Patch, but I haven't tried removing it.

 

2 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

might be some mod or a combination:

I just went quickly over your load order, many things I dont know (the non lewd mods^^)

but I know that might make issue:

> * 8B  Devious Devices - Gags+.esp => not needed anymore, incl in newest DD, might conflict, remove

 

 

and what psalam said,

unless its a spell effect, you can see those with console too

 

just think what mods might use force greet on your PC or make PCs follow you (like sexlab kidnap, if scene wasnt finished)

or if you have deactivated "teleport" in sexlab and a SLanimation should have triggered but didnt start, they follow you for sexytimes

 

might be from deviously helpless too

 

I've removed Gags+ and Deviously Helpless. There are no errors or other messages in the console. I haven't used kidnap or had sex with broken NPCs and teleport is enabled.

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would have been too easy

 

okey next you could try this:

DEC (Deviously enslaved continued => in console you see CDUR: checking NPC...) pulls one NPC over to you if your vulnerable

you can see how DEC works in console

in your case it would look like that:

in console DEC finds a NPC that is able to approach you

than there is a repeating entry that NPC is approaching you

 

if that NPC is close to you it should start a force greet,

if it doesnt do that there is something preventing DEC to do the force greet after pulling the NPC to you

 

if thats the case, you can try and move DEC down in your load order, best below all other mods that change dialoges with NPCs

I can't see any order in your load order so just move DEC above LAL (live another life)

 

 

in additon, you say you updated mods on a running game and removed mods

did you check your save game for orphan scripts or broken scripts?

you can do that with save tool or resaver tool (both on nexus)

broken scripts after update can make force greets get stuck or worse

 

you might need to start a new game so those mods work correctly again,

> removing mods and changing load order on a running game can (will) break mods

> if you add remove mods your bash patch needs to be rebuild, but there is a high chance that it will break mods

> updating of huge mods like DCL is always risky

> DEC needs a clean save before updating

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3 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

DEC (Deviously enslaved continued => in console you see CDUR: checking NPC...) pulls one NPC over to you if your vulnerable

you can see how DEC works in console

 

Minor correction: DEC's identifier code is "CRDE" which used to stand for "Chase Roxand Deviously Enslaved" never changed from when Chase was the author.

 

DCUR is Deviously CURsed loot

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14 hours ago, Derk said:

I did as you asked, and Brynjolf had nothing, only locate and define, both were Skyrim.esm.

 

I found that if I stand in the middle of Dragonsreach for ~5-10 minutes, eventually one of the guards or other male NPCs comes up to me. When clicking on them with the console, they always had "lastRefrChange=ASIS.esp". I removed ASIS but it still happened, this time it pointed to Unofficial Skyrim Patch, but I haven't tried removing it.

Time ago i have a similar problem and i made a mod for locate the mod that have the bad package.

I recompile it and test it again for share it. Have mod structure and you can install it with any manager. 

AI Package Manager.rar 

 

Is not beatifull, the magic effect look bad and the notification message not have the package code.

But the console show all the info.

The mod have 3 spells in Alteration called AIPM_Get_Package, AIPM_Evaluate_Package and AIPM_Force_Idle.

Equip AIPM_Get_Package and launch it over any npc.

Open the console a see some like:

Spoiler

86249404_TESV2018-12-1214-02-03-71.jpg.c90e87ad83fd3902e38f94627fc95de2.jpg

In my example i fire the spell over some npc's for you see many package codes.

Like all the internal codes in Skyrim show the EXADECIMAL code of the package.

And of couse, the two first position of the code are the code asigned to the mod that own the package in you mod list. In my example, the first code are 30 in EXADECIMAL and when convert to decimal is my mod 49 and the code 2B are my mod 44.

 

The spell AIPM_Evaluate_Package only make that, call the internal EvaluatePackage() for try unstuck the npc.

The spell AIPM_Force_Idle only cancel the animation in the npc. 

This two spell have low functionality and normally make none because the package that are executing the npc is the bad package and i can not cancel it or change it. Same with the animation, i send the idle but inmediatelly other mod or the game change the animation.

 

Try it and use my spell for know EXACTLY what mod have the bad package. When you know that you can ask in the support forum of the mod or search for patch or move it in the load order.

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When updating the mods, I would shut down all functions and remove the mod, load up the save, wait a few hours ingame and save to a new file. Then clean unattached instances and elements with Resaver and install the new mods. To see if it was the save I made a new game, and the bug still occured with me teleporting to dragonsreach and having changed nothing, even with DEC not installed.

 

2 hours ago, GenioMaestro said:

Time ago i have a similar problem and i made a mod for locate the mod that have the bad package.

I recompile it and test it again for share it. Have mod structure and you can install it with any manager. 

AI Package Manager.rar 

 

Is not beatifull, the magic effect look bad and the notification message not have the package code.

But the console show all the info.

The mod have 3 spells in Alteration called AIPM_Get_Package, AIPM_Evaluate_Package and AIPM_Force_Idle.

Equip AIPM_Get_Package and launch it over any npc.

Open the console a see some like:

  Reveal hidden contents

86249404_TESV2018-12-1214-02-03-71.jpg.c90e87ad83fd3902e38f94627fc95de2.jpg

In my example i fire the spell over some npc's for you see many package codes.

Like all the internal codes in Skyrim show the EXADECIMAL code of the package.

And of couse, the two first position of the code are the code asigned to the mod that own the package in you mod list. In my example, the first code are 30 in EXADECIMAL and when convert to decimal is my mod 49 and the code 2B are my mod 44.

 

The spell AIPM_Evaluate_Package only make that, call the internal EvaluatePackage() for try unstuck the npc.

The spell AIPM_Force_Idle only cancel the animation in the npc. 

This two spell have low functionality and normally make none because the package that are executing the npc is the bad package and i can not cancel it or change it. Same with the animation, i send the idle but inmediatelly other mod or the game change the animation.

 

Try it and use my spell for know EXACTLY what mod have the bad package. When you know that you can ask in the support forum of the mod or search for patch or move it in the load order.

 

 I installed your mod and used AIPM_Get_Package on a few bugged NPCs, and they always returned the same package. The mod was Raven Beak Prison Remastered. I removed it and loaded the first save in which Brynjolf got bugged, and the bug was gone. I also waited around dragonsreach for half an hour and nobody else got bugged. Your mod seemed to work great.

 

I installed the prison mod almost a year ago and I was never imprisoned in this save. I'm guessing it's conflicting with something else. The mod's forum thread also has a lot of people saying it doesn't work properly for them too, so I'll wait to see if the author is still updating the mod.

 

Thanks everyone for helping me out.

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2 hours ago, GenioMaestro said:

Time ago i have a similar problem and i made a mod for locate the mod that have the bad package.

I recompile it and test it again for share it. Have mod structure and you can install it with any manager. 

AI Package Manager.rar 

awesome!

the issue with buggy NPC AI behaviour is always a mod conflict on my setups. Its timeconsuming to find the right conflict and often its more superstition.

thx GenioMaestro that realy speeds things up.

 

17 minutes ago, Derk said:

Raven Beak Prison Remastered

good to know

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1 hour ago, Derk said:

 I installed your mod and used AIPM_Get_Package on a few bugged NPCs, and they always returned the same package. The mod was Raven Beak Prison Remastered. I removed it and loaded the first save in which Brynjolf got bugged, and the bug was gone. I also waited around dragonsreach for half an hour and nobody else got bugged. Your mod seemed to work great.

I only give you one of the mod's that i made for my personal use. As i said is not beautiful but give the desired info. I share it because i know the problems that can give a bad package in a mod and sometimes is very dificult locate it. The only way is disable and enable a lot of mod's in a large batery of test... or use my spell. I sufer it time ago and i make the mod for me and share it for you.

Good to know your problem is solved. Glad to help.

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