Need advice I3 8100 vs ryzen 2600 and Gtx 1060 6gb for modding

[kboom]

Hi, i will build a new pc but i dont know which CPU i should choose I3 or ryzen 2600. I watched this clip and wonder if anyone here have the same problem on ryzen 2600? 

[27X]

Older slower ryzen, 80 fps even when running a crappy laggy version of  PE.

 

https://youtu.be/9unmyo5nHis

 

The bandwidth output on the 1060 is... ok. A 1070 would serve you a lot better in that department.

 

The i3 is much better at taking gaming abuse and overclocking, however the stock heat issue with intel CPUs is present in this version.

 

ryzen is much better at multitasking but with most AMD hardware you have weird edge case scenarios with certain platforms and apps, and overclocking really isn't a thing, esp on lower tier models. (it does come with much better set of base cooling options than intel, however)

 

 

 

[Uncle64]

Ryzen is one newer CPU then the I3.

 

If you plan for one Intel, go for atleast one I5. 8 generation.

[chevalierx]

why not go with old i7 or i5 6xxx or 7xxx in K version

is better then i3 or i5 without k

you can sell it old  and save money

i have crap config but i can play game in 1080p with i5 4450 and gtx970

[RW311]

I have a 2600x and rx580 and run game at 2560x1440, no stutter and fps in those same areas of whiterun are solid 60 with one drop to 40 because something in whiterun that I can't find.

I can stand on skyforge and look at mountains even with max view distance and see high hrothgar with solid 60 fps, that guys setup is messed up somewhere.

 

 

[Pauduan]

I recently completed two builds with Ryzens, one is a 2600x/GTX1080/32GB and the other with 2200G/RX580/8GB. With Skyrim and good ENB/texture mod list, both are GPU limited at 2560x1600 (for the first build) or 1080p for the RX580. 

 

What I can compare those two to is my own 6600k and frankly, I notice zero difference in gameplay - if anything the Ryzens handle the game a bit better. Since all the installs and modlists are different an apples to apples comparison is probably impossible, but you will not have a problem with them for gaming. The 2200G build is smooth as butter and solid 60 everywhere except in heavily wooded areas but that depends on what you have installed and what CPU you run. 

 

Few things when building Ryzens you have to watch out for - the motherboards put way too much voltage into the CPUs by default and they run hot, both will easily work with as much as .1 to .125V undervolted, and you will get better performance too as there will be more available thermal headroom for the CPU to hit its turbo speeds more often, specially if you use stock cooler. Which btw is a pretty good cooler in its own right. Some of this will get sorted out over time because the 2xxx are brand new CPUs, as everything matures you will generally get better performance down the line.

 

The second issue with Ryzen is the memory handling, which is not yet at the level of Intel. So you may need a bit of fine tuning manually to get similar results in synthetic benchmarks. In games you will likely get no difference if you're GPU limited. Which you will be if running any ENB based on new binaries.

 

Now to your issues. None of the Ryzen installs I have show this problem. The 2200G runs W10 (it is not compatible with 7) and is silky smooth. If an NPC with 4k textures has to be rendered you will get a slight hesitation when the game loads the assets from storage, unless you use an SSD. Also WR exterior is a tricky cell and the break could be due to absolutely anything - including the 3-4 farmers/stable owners leaving the city at the same time. 

 

The 2600 technically competes with the i5 8400. Unfortunately Intel pricing is all over the place - upto 60% premium - because of the supply shortage so you technically have to downgrade to the i3, which you shouldn't have to do. However IMO you will not have problems even with the i3 but today buying Intel is simply stupid. Once their pricing corrects back to the August level (maybe by early 2019), you might be advised to wait or build with AMD.

[kboom]

10 hours ago, chevalierx said:

why not go with old i7 or i5 6xxx or 7xxx in K version

is better then i3 or i5 without k

you can sell it old  and save money

i have crap config but i can play game in 1080p with i5 4450 and gtx970

I will get discount if i build PC from those CPU ?

5 hours ago, RW311 said:

I have a 2600x and rx580 and run game at 2560x1440, no stutter and fps in those same areas of whiterun are solid 60 with one drop to 40 because something in whiterun that I can't find.

I can stand on skyforge and look at mountains even with max view distance and see high hrothgar with solid 60 fps, that guys setup is messed up somewhere.

 

 

Thank you so much for clarifying that.

3 hours ago, Pauduan said:

I recently completed two builds with Ryzens, one is a 2600x/GTX1080/32GB and the other with 2200G/RX580/8GB. With Skyrim and good ENB/texture mod list, both are GPU limited at 2560x1600 (for the first build) or 1080p for the RX580. 

 

What I can compare those two to is my own 6600k and frankly, I notice zero difference in gameplay - if anything the Ryzens handle the game a bit better. Since all the installs and modlists are different an apples to apples comparison is probably impossible, but you will not have a problem with them for gaming. The 2200G build is smooth as butter and solid 60 everywhere except in heavily wooded areas but that depends on what you have installed and what CPU you run. 

 

Few things when building Ryzens you have to watch out for - the motherboards put way too much voltage into the CPUs by default and they run hot, both will easily work with as much as .1 to .125V undervolted, and you will get better performance too as there will be more available thermal headroom for the CPU to hit its turbo speeds more often, specially if you use stock cooler. Which btw is a pretty good cooler in its own right. Some of this will get sorted out over time because the 2xxx are brand new CPUs, as everything matures you will generally get better performance down the line.

 

The second issue with Ryzen is the memory handling, which is not yet at the level of Intel. So you may need a bit of fine tuning manually to get similar results in synthetic benchmarks. In games you will likely get no difference if you're GPU limited. Which you will be if running any ENB based on new binaries.

 

Now to your issues. None of the Ryzen installs I have show this problem. The 2200G runs W10 (it is not compatible with 7) and is silky smooth. If an NPC with 4k textures has to be rendered you will get a slight hesitation when the game loads the assets from storage, unless you use an SSD. Also WR exterior is a tricky cell and the break could be due to absolutely anything - including the 3-4 farmers/stable owners leaving the city at the same time. 

 

The 2600 technically competes with the i5 8400. Unfortunately Intel pricing is all over the place - upto 60% premium - because of the supply shortage so you technically have to downgrade to the i3, which you shouldn't have to do. However IMO you will not have problems even with the i3 but today buying Intel is simply stupid. Once their pricing corrects back to the August level (maybe by early 2019), you might be advised to wait or build with AMD.

How does I3 8100 perform in light multi-task? i saw game benchmark and cpu usage for I3 is very high so i don't know if i still have cpu headroom for texture editing, playing music or browsing while gaming.

[Pauduan]

For home use you should be okay with the Intel. If you want to run creation software or stream games etc the Ryzen will destroy the i3. If you want to for example edit a texture and see effects in-game immediately, the i3 will be much, much slower.

 

I am assuming there is a cost difference between the two CPUs as the i3 is a bit cheaper, even after the wicked price hike. I still don't think it's worth it. At normal prices it was all right, at the new prices it stinks.

[GenioMaestro]

 

The microprocessor is the most important part of the machine. It is not advisable to have the CPU 100%. Everything needs a CPU. If you do not have free CPU some operations will have to wait.

Changing the video card or the power supply is very easy, and you can do it at any time.

But changing the CPU is very different. It usually means changing CPU, motherboard and memory.

I recommend investing in microprocessor and not change it for years.

If they are expensive now, wait and buy a good CPU and a good motherboard.

[kboom]

20 hours ago, Pauduan said:

For home use you should be okay with the Intel. If you want to run creation software or stream games etc the Ryzen will destroy the i3. If you want to for example edit a texture and see effects in-game immediately, the i3 will be much, much slower.

 

I am assuming there is a cost difference between the two CPUs as the i3 is a bit cheaper, even after the wicked price hike. I still don't think it's worth it. At normal prices it was all right, at the new prices it stinks.

Thank you very much.

 

16 hours ago, GenioMaestro said:

 

The microprocessor is the most important part of the machine. It is not advisable to have the CPU 100%. Everything needs a CPU. If you do not have free CPU some operations will have to wait.

Changing the video card or the power supply is very easy, and you can do it at any time.

But changing the CPU is very different. It usually means changing CPU, motherboard and memory.

I recommend investing in microprocessor and not change it for years.

If they are expensive now, wait and buy a good CPU and a good motherboard.

i think i will go with ryzen 5 2600, cause i use alt tab a lot.

[Pauduan]

Cool. 

 

After your posts and the video, I did some more research and went over to the 2600x owner's house. With an extremely heavy modlist (200+GB in data folder) and a very heavy ENB the fps is fine, above 50fps everywhere and mostly capped at 72fps - mind this is all 2k res, not 1080p. The system can do more than that indoors, but the engine really does not like 60+fps. Even 72 is pushing it.

 

However we did notice some slight hesitations when the disk was being accessed. I assume this will not be a problem in SSDs, but we did some more tinkering. Turns out Skyrim was being pushed to use all 12 threads, which it obviously cannot. We tried the MT ini tweaks but it only helped partially.

 

Then we restricted it to use just 4 threads in the ini file, which turned out great but we felt it could be improved more. We then set the core affinity to core 0,1, 3 and 4 and now it is as smooth as butter again. Basically since the 2200G and 6600k are both non-SMT 4-core units they perform very well, and 4 threads are the engine's limit. We simulated the same with a combination of ini file and Task Manager, and it is perfect now. FPS has to be capped. The game is unusable without.

 

There is a Reddit post that outlines the exact procedure and lists a small freeware program that allows you to set it permanently. This is a problem for very old engines which experience micro-stutter or low fps with games that use less number of cores. Another bonus of this is that you have 2 free physical cores and 6 free threads, so basically you can run almost anything without issues. 2 CPUs in one machine!

 

Newer games do not have this problem, we played through Wolfenstein and Fallout (so Skyrim SE might also run well) and it's smooth as silk.

[RW311]

Pauduan, did you try the ryzen master software for this? I have not used it but it does have a way to manage profiles to restrict cores for different applications.

 

kboom,

Ryzen systems perform best, at least for gaming, when only using 2 of the dimm slots. So I would say 2x 8BG is the best buy. XMP profile should always be enabled, memory timings make a dramatic impact and I believe scale better overall than o/c the cpu, messing with timings is optional don't do it if you're not comfortable with this. The stock cooler is very good,  use it and leave the cpu stock and spend the money on the highest ram speed the board will support instead.

 

[Pauduan]

Hi

 

No, I am not using Ryzen Master - I'm more of an old school manual tuner. 

 

I simply add the required commands in the program shortcut, but that is a bit more esoteric so I don't recommend it unless you're a masochist. The software in the Reddit post is ideal as it is lighter and has no gui. Of course the shortcut method is the best.

 

The AMD equivalent of XMP is DOCP. I agree with RW311s advice. The stock coolers will let you max out the CPU in real-world use without overclocking, focus on getting good RAM speed and stability.

[kboom]

6 hours ago, RW311 said:

Pauduan, did you try the ryzen master software for this? I have not used it but it does have a way to manage profiles to restrict cores for different applications.

 

kboom,

Ryzen systems perform best, at least for gaming, when only using 2 of the dimm slots. So I would say 2x 8BG is the best buy. XMP profile should always be enabled, memory timings make a dramatic impact and I believe scale better overall than o/c the cpu, messing with timings is optional don't do it if you're not comfortable with this. The stock cooler is very good,  use it and leave the cpu stock and spend the money on the highest ram speed the board will support instead.

 

 

5 hours ago, Pauduan said:

Hi

 

No, I am not using Ryzen Master - I'm more of an old school manual tuner. 

 

I simply add the required commands in the program shortcut, but that is a bit more esoteric so I don't recommend it unless you're a masochist. The software in the Reddit post is ideal as it is lighter and has no gui. Of course the shortcut method is the best.

 

The AMD equivalent of XMP is DOCP. I agree with RW311s advice. The stock coolers will let you max out the CPU in real-world use without overclocking, focus on getting good RAM speed and stability.

Thank you so much!