sophiextime Posted May 27, 2018 Posted May 27, 2018 Good morning Lab lovers x I have a question, or few questions that i am hoping someone who is computer smart may know as i am not very myself hehe. I am hoping very soon to get a much better PC build than my current setup. At the moment i am using a GTX750ti 2gb card and i struggle to enjoy a well modded Skyrim and even more so modded Fallout4. I am hoping to get a faster and better setup that will have the following: 6GB GTX1060 Nvidia card i7 6 core pocessor 16GB corsair RAM memory (1st hard disk) 250GB samsung 850 EVO SSD (2nd hard disk) 2TB barracuda 7200rpm 128MB cache (power supply) Corsair 650W ultra quiet series. ( is this enough for a 1060?) Now i am hoping that will be able to run a well modded Skyrim SE on Ultra. However i have read and been told that the main reason i get a lot of texture popping and soapy detail effects in my graphics in Fallout4 is because i have currently only a 2gb card and also that Fallout4 regardless of the card and power of the PC should always be run on a SSD. So would i also need a separate SSD to that list above for a modded consistent Fallout4? Also at the moment my Steam is on my C drive , ie. Local disk C : > Program files (x86)>Steam > Steam Apps > Common > Skyrim/Fallout4 etc. With a separate installed SSD can i still have my Steam on C drive but my games on the SSD drive and all their specific mods? I dont wish to put my operating system on a SSD as i want to keep that on my main hard drive and i feel like i really should install Steam as well on the C drive but i am open to any suggestions. One person told me that with my list above i dont even need a separate SSD. That i could just install both games onto that newer system and they could both run very well modded and on ultra graphics with good speed and quality. I am sorry about this long winded question but i wanted to make sure i explained myself as best i could. Thankies and i hope someone can help.
pinky6225 Posted May 27, 2018 Posted May 27, 2018 I've had a SSD as my main drive for quite a while so always run fallout 4 on a SSD, with skyrim i didnt really notice any difference going from HDD to SSD and there was no real improvement on any bench mark application i ran, so other that boot up time i'd doubt myself you'd see any improvement just from the SSD That said from what i've been seeing SSD prices have been dropping quite a bit so i'd just get a bigger one and have your OS and steam with modded games on the same drive, 500GB one i found on ebuyer seems quite cheap now https://www.ebuyer.com/822478-crucial-mx500-500gb-ssd-ebuyer-ct500mx500ssd1 650W PSU looks fine for a 6GB 1060 says it only needs 400 (might vary on version) https://www.ebuyer.com/769693-msi-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-gddr5-oc-v1-graphics-card-gtx-1060-6gt-ocv1
bajs11 Posted May 27, 2018 Posted May 27, 2018 You don't need a 6 core i7, assuming its the coffeelake 8700K Personally I would get the i5 8600k or even the 8400 and get the GTX 1070 and 500gb ssd instead Ultra modded FO4 requires better gpu than the 1060
onesumgame Posted May 27, 2018 Posted May 27, 2018 7 hours ago, sophiextime said: With a separate installed SSD can i still have my Steam on C drive but my games on the SSD drive and all their specific mods? I dont wish to put my operating system on a SSD as i want to keep that on my main hard drive and i feel like i really should install Steam as well on the C drive but i am open to any suggestions. Yes you can. I have Steam on my C drive which is an SSD, Skyrim and Fallout on another SSD, and the rest of my Steam games on a HDD.
gregathit Posted May 27, 2018 Posted May 27, 2018 Several threads you may want to read on the subject: https://www.loverslab.com/topic/33885-to-ssd-or-not-to-ssd/ https://www.loverslab.com/topic/96567-base-games-on-ssd-while-mods-install-on-hdd/ https://www.loverslab.com/topic/78524-help-picking-out-a-ssd/
RitualClarity Posted May 28, 2018 Posted May 28, 2018 14 hours ago, sophiextime said: Good morning Lab lovers x I have a question, or few questions that i am hoping someone who is computer smart may know as i am not very myself hehe. I am hoping very soon to get a much better PC build than my current setup. At the moment i am using a GTX750ti 2gb card and i struggle to enjoy a well modded Skyrim and even more so modded Fallout4. I am hoping to get a faster and better setup that will have the following: 6GB GTX1060 Nvidia card i7 6 core pocessor Not necessary for gaming... just get the best clocking processor you can the cores aren't important at least not now. A simple fast i5 or a AMD 2600x~2700X would be sufficient. Unless you plan on doing other heavy processes at the same time (running a Twitch stream, youtube capture, etc) or really heavy rendering,trans-coding and such as well as gaming. I have a 4790K which is OLD as fuck with a 1080TI and have no problems just in case you are wondering. 16GB corsair RAM memory For gaming 8 gigs should do if you need to save some money. Again unless you are doing the above and need a heavier processor. (1st hard disk) 250GB samsung 850 EVO SSD Based on your desires, I'd advise a 500~1tb if possible. Or a second SSD for modded games. (2nd hard disk) 2TB barracuda 7200rpm 128MB cache (power supply) Corsair 650W ultra quiet series. ( is this enough for a 1060?) Should be, check the power ratings on the side of the power supply and make sure the 12+ volt section has enough power (25~30 amps if I remember correctly) You can run your parts list through https://pcpartpicker.com/ Now i am hoping that will be able to run a well modded Skyrim SE on Ultra. Focus on the 6gig version of the 1060 and if you change your mind on the card try to get the version with the most vram available. However i have read and been told that the main reason i get a lot of texture popping and soapy detail effects in my graphics in Fallout4 is because i have currently only a 2gb card and also that Fallout4 regardless of the card and power of the PC should always be run on a SSD. Not necessary but, advised even more so if you are going to heavily mod the game. Same goes for almost any game used best results are usually obtained with SSD. So would i also need a separate SSD to that list above for a modded consistent Fallout4? You can upgrade your current SSD and have it all on one drive if you desire. I use a separate SSD drive (previously mechanical HD) for my Steam games and it works great. Also at the moment my Steam is on my C drive , ie. Local disk C : > Program files (x86)>Steam > Steam Apps > Common > Skyrim/Fallout4 etc. If you are building a new computer then it would be easy to move the entire program over to a dedicated drive, if not uninstall Fallout 4 (or any game) from Steam (after backing up most important info, mods and such as needed ;)) Then install it again, except direct the install to the disk of choice. You can just install those heavily modded games like Skyrim, Skyrim SE, and Fallout 4 as needed into the new SSD you add to your system. With a separate installed SSD can i still have my Steam on C drive but my games on the SSD drive and all their specific mods? I dont wish to put my operating system on a SSD as i want to keep that on my main hard drive and i feel like i really should install Steam as well on the C drive but i am open to any suggestions. Unfortunately, your OS should be on a SSD regardless of what you do with the rest of your games and setup. It is the backbone of the rest of the system and programs. Having it on a mechanical can slow things down which you don't want. As for setup. OS on an SSD, you can then put the Steam on whatever drive you want (same as the OS or a dedicated drive... BTW, my preferred method so when I reinstall the OS I don't have to mess with Steam so much) and then install the games you play on either the mechanical drive (for those games that it don't matter and/or not modded) and an SSD as needed (for Skyrim etc.) The mod folder can be included inside the games, dedicated installation (with MO2, NMM (not advised) or Vortex (still in development) which means a separate installation just make sure all your mods are on an SSD as well. I have an OS install, and an Steam install that holds my games and mod tools. My backups and other resources for gaming are stored on mechanical drives. Just an example. One person told me that with my list above i dont even need a separate SSD. That i could just install both games onto that newer system and they could both run very well modded and on ultra graphics with good speed and quality. Yep they are telling the truth... to a point. Your Os can take up about half or so of the drive depending on your settings, programs and such. Keep in mind Steam and a heavily modded game which you state you want to do, WILL TAKE UP MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF SPACE as well. You might need a much bigger drive for your needs. Good to start with though. A 250 gig is excellent for OS and all other personal programs, data and such you might want to use. Plenty of space for that. Then move later to a dedicated SSD for Steam if / when you are ready and have the $$$ for it. you don't want to crowd your SSD. You want to give it some space to breath (reallocate data as needed easily for less stress on the drive during its maintenance) BTW.. I NEVER had an SSD die on me. so far. 6 years and counting. I end up upgrading to a newer bigger one to accommodate my needs before that happens. My mechanical die in 2~5 years. Like clockwork. Just an FYI. I am sorry about this long winded question but i wanted to make sure i explained myself as best i could. Thankies and i hope someone can help. Hope that helped... lol I have a 250 for OS, SSD 1tb for Steam SSD (Waiting for the price of 2tb to drop or go on massive sale. DAMN STEAM SALES :P) 1tb for Origin SSD 256 (open currently likely going to be my MO2 mod manager drive, or an different OS like linux or something) SSD various mechanical drives. It looks like a lot of SSDs but I have been slowly getting them over the years and moved from 65gig, 120's. to the current ones. Catching them on sale, clearance etc. Keep in mind you don't have to get the best of the best for your gaming SSDs (large ones) as long as you keep a good backup. (just drag and drop or such) of your drive. If it fails which I doubt will easily happen even with the cheapest SSDS (you are mostly reading from the drive not writing if you use it for SSDs) other than the few mods you put in and tweak from time to time (of course after the setup) SSDs fail due to excessive writing and wear leveling due to heavy data use (writing, re-writing etc) not reading. I have an old 64 that still kicks around from SATA II era... more than 8 years ago. Still works. Lost some cells though It is now about 10% smaller. SSDs don't fail like mechanical either. ... general that is. They loose cells as they are removed from use if shown to fail. The drive gets smaller (at least from my experience) Also now the newer SSDs even cheapest ones have such high levels of writes that you as a regular user should have years of use out of it and with just reading the games like you would be doing... even longer. It will more likely come a time that you would outgrow the drive and move to a bigger one before it fails. This is from experience.
sophiextime Posted May 31, 2018 Author Posted May 31, 2018 Thank you everyone that posted on this topic for me. i cant express how helpful and reassuring its been and its given me a lot to think about. So following a mixture of good advice i have now chosen a slightly different choice in a custom build. Here is the main parts and the changes. If anyone sees anything glaringly wrong with this then please offer a suggestion. As far as cost saving i know i may list things that are maybe excessive and a cheaper smaller version would suffice but i hopefully can afford it and would rather plan for ahead with more than save cash now and regret it later. CPU : Intel i7 six core processor 17-8700k Memory (RAM) : 16GB Corsair vengeance DDR4 Motherboard : ASUS 370 plus gaming ATX Graphics card : 8GB Nvidia geforce GTX 1070 1st Hard disk : 500GB Samsung 860 EVO SSD 2nd Hard disk : 2TB Seagate barracuda Pro Power supply : Corsair 850W Rmx series Ultra quiet Processor cooling : Cooler master hyper 212X Fan CPU cooler I am hoping with all of this above i can run Fallout4 modded and Skyrim SE modded smoothly and with stability. I would in the future consider upgrading my graphics card as and when i can.
RitualClarity Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 Quote I am hoping with all of this above i can run Fallout4 modded and Skyrim SE modded smoothly and with stability. I would in the future consider upgrading my graphics card as and when i can. I am / was able to run those games with a 4790k and a GTX970 3.5gig card. had to slightly lighten the textures for the vram but other than that all worked well. Fallout 4 was even played and manually modded when it was first released with the 970 and worked fine. (when it was complete shit with optimization etc.. not that it is great now.. just a bit better with the updates lol) The 1070 should do you much better. The added SSD space should allow you to at least have one good fully modded game from above. (200 + 2~4K mods and such) maybe both. Currently my SSD which holds the programs and other stuff (not data at least not a lot and not important one) is around 75~110 mb. to give an example. Of course your needs might vary. Maybe.. later you might want to add an 512~1tb M.2 drive for your modded games and mods much faster in general.. If you run out of space. Oh and this https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-NAND-SATA-SDSSDH3-1T00-G25/dp/B071KGRXRG Not the fastest but large and no latency of the mechanical... good deal.
EMayhem Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 On 5/27/2018 at 12:11 PM, sophiextime said: Good morning Lab lovers x I have a question, or few questions that i am hoping someone who is computer smart may know as i am not very myself hehe. I am hoping very soon to get a much better PC build than my current setup. At the moment i am using a GTX750ti 2gb card and i struggle to enjoy a well modded Skyrim and even more so modded Fallout4. I am hoping to get a faster and better setup that will have the following: 6GB GTX1060 Nvidia card i7 6 core pocessor 16GB corsair RAM memory (1st hard disk) 250GB samsung 850 EVO SSD (2nd hard disk) 2TB barracuda 7200rpm 128MB cache (power supply) Corsair 650W ultra quiet series. ( is this enough for a 1060?) Now i am hoping that will be able to run a well modded Skyrim SE on Ultra. However i have read and been told that the main reason i get a lot of texture popping and soapy detail effects in my graphics in Fallout4 is because i have currently only a 2gb card and also that Fallout4 regardless of the card and power of the PC should always be run on a SSD. So would i also need a separate SSD to that list above for a modded consistent Fallout4? Also at the moment my Steam is on my C drive , ie. Local disk C : > Program files (x86)>Steam > Steam Apps > Common > Skyrim/Fallout4 etc. With a separate installed SSD can i still have my Steam on C drive but my games on the SSD drive and all their specific mods? I dont wish to put my operating system on a SSD as i want to keep that on my main hard drive and i feel like i really should install Steam as well on the C drive but i am open to any suggestions. One person told me that with my list above i dont even need a separate SSD. That i could just install both games onto that newer system and they could both run very well modded and on ultra graphics with good speed and quality. I am sorry about this long winded question but i wanted to make sure i explained myself as best i could. Thankies and i hope someone can help. 650w is even enough for a 1080 ti... And since u wanna save some bucks.. If it's only gaming, well yes i5 8th gen will do the job good enough, no need for an i7, that's something u should buy if u wanna do editing related stuff. And if u wanna go with intel k.. scratch the budget cooler, buy a decent noctua d15, bequit dark rock, cryorig h7 or so.. And scratch the 850w psu.. you could run the rig even with an 500w one.. Z370 TUF is okay, but you can buy a better asus mobo, like the asus prime-a. Would go with something like this i5-8600k Cryorig H7 Asus prime z370-a 2x8Gb DDR-4 2666 or 3000 (Corsair, kingstong, up to you) 500gb Samsnung Evo orrr 525gb Crucial MX300 m.2. I mean hey, 25gb extra 2tb WD Gold Gtx 1070 or 1080 (just skip the basic line like asus dual or so, aim for asus strix, msi gaming, kfa/galax ex oc/hof or so) Seasonic 650w focus gold That's ~ $1.3K I have a "similar" setup and can run everything without probs. And Fallout 4 / SSE with over 150 mods. My setup i5-8600k Asus strix Z370-F Be quiet dark rock tf Msi 1080 ti gaming x (had a 1080 before) 2x8GB Kingston Fury 1 TB WD Blue m.2. for os, apps, few games. 2TB Wd gold for the rest 650W Seasonic focus plus platinum HP s27n Screen + upcoming 1440p screen for gaming (but still looking for a good one) And if u still have some extra pennies, a decent case like the bquiet base series, fractal g or so and later a matching screen for the power u wanna buy. And ssd, use it for os, apps and few games, rest a decent hhd like wd black, gold or a cude with 2tb or more(depends on you) But keep in mind, the games will more or less only load faster. And Fallot/Skyrim may will have probs with texture like blurry textures after loading (according to nexus). On 5/31/2018 at 10:30 PM, RitualClarity said: https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-NAND-SATA-SDSSDH3-1T00-G25/dp/B071KGRXRG Not the fastest but large and no latency of the mechanical... good deal. Wd, sandisk (more or less western digital), crucial, samsung they're all good, doesn't rly matter, only if u care diehard about every second. *But you can skip brands like team.
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