[Solved] Lipstick being added back to character on game load

[Evan555alpha]

So, I recently got around to installing Four Play, and a handful of mods that use it, such as RSE and FPE, as well as their dependencies. Thing is, now my character is now getting lipstick applied every time I load a save, even if the save has no lipstick applied at the time of saving. I don't know what's causing it to happen, whether it's a script, spell, or what, but it's driving me nuts. While it's simple enough to fix, I really don't want to have to slm every time I load up the game. Spoilered is my load order:

 

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Fallout4.esm
DLCRobot.esm
DLCworkshop01.esm
DLCCoast.esm
DLCworkshop02.esm
DLCworkshop03.esm
DLCNukaWorld.esm
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
SettlementKeywords.esm
Companion Infinite Ammo and Unbreakable Power Armour.esm
HUDFramework.esm
TrueStormsFO4.esm
SimSettlements.esm
Loads.esm
ConcealedArmor.esm
Homemaker.esm
CaN.esm
Snap'n Build.esm
ArmorKeywords.esm
CaN Pony Mane Pack.esm
four_play_resources.esm
CBBE.esp
Vault-Tec Historical Preservation Initiative.esp
DoubleAffinityCooldown.esp
TheyWantThatAss.esp
SeasonWantThatAss.esp
le666piercings.esp
Craftable Armor Size.esp
DifficultyXPScaling.esp
OA_VaultTec_MaterialsContainers_FH.esp
True Shadows - All DLC.esp
BrighterSettlementLights_LongAndSoft.esp
Idiot Slut.esp
WLightSaber.esp
NoChameleonFlash.esp
TSW.esp
CMPA +300.esp
LegendaryModification.esp
LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor.esp
Perk Magazine Material Fix.esp
OCDecorator.esp
OCDecoratorDLC.esp
SKE_OCD_Patch.esp
BobbleGirl.esp
DX Courser X-92 Power Suit.esp
CROSS_CosmeticFramework.esm
CROSS_Uni_Scarf.esp
CROSS_Jetpack.esp
CROSS_Swimsuit.esp
TheKite_ScoopDigger.esp
pillow3.esp
ImmersiveVendors.esp
More Armor Slots - Merged - AWKCR.esp
Armorsmith Extended.esp
Armorsmith Automatron.esp
Armorsmith Far Harbor.esp
Armorsmith Nuka World.esp
3in1.esp
GatlingRifle.esp
MaxLockWorkshopTerminals.esp
ACS Master.esp
ACS Paintings.esp
AtomicBeauty.esp
Crafting Workbench.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Automatron DLC.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Ammo.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Ammo Expanded.esp
RILF.esp
Green Commonwealth.esp
YogaOutfit.esp
Quiet.esp
WWE.esp
WWE_Garage.esp
TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp
TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp
TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp
TrueStormsFO4-FarHarborExtraRads.esp
TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsetsFH.esp
TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp
More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp
OA_VaultTec_MaterialsContainers.esp
OA_VaultTec_MaterialsContainers_NW.esp
subwayrunnnerdynamiclighting.esp
AA FusionCityRising.esp
AA FusionCityRising - HotC.esp
FQ_NoMoreLODFlicker_AIO.esp
Some Assembly Required.esp
OutcastsAndRemnants.esp
RidableBot.esp
CombatZoneOverhaul.esp
North Bridge Carpentry.esp
APC_Mobile_Base_v1.3.esp
More Smarter Companions Mod.esp
UnderwaterBaseV1.0.esp
WET.esp
UniqueUniques.esp
FriendlyEasyCityDowns.esp
AA 50 Ways To Die.esp
marineleotard.esp
BioshockInspiredPowerArmor.esp
SDIShutters.esp
NukaGirlSuitEdit.esp
Driveable Motorcycle Mod.esp
AkaWaterWorld.esp
curvygirloutfits.esp
Animated Chems.esp
SnapBeds.esp
TheKite_CaitSet.esp
TheKite_Caitset_ReplacerAddon.esp
1daysVendorsRespawn.esp
VerticalConduits.esp
Smoke-able Cigars.esp
CleanSoup.esp
Locksmith.esp
Spare Railroad as Institute.esp
minutementweak.esp
MaidOutfit.esp
ConcealedArmor.esp
slootyVaultSuit.esp
AutomatronRoboHats.esp
dcc-bp-lol.esp
Lacy Underwear (AWKCR).esp
PortalGun.esp
spacefiddle_Follower-Stealth-Distance-Fixes.esp
FO4Hotkeys.esp
Clean Water - Tropical - ExtraRads.esp
WaterPurificationProject.esp
CROSS_Recall.esp
Scrap Everything.esp
Immersive Waiting.esp
EFF.esp
EFFoodPlanters - High.esp
eFFoodPlanters - Extra Plants - High.esp
Strong Back - Improved -- Far Harbor.esp
VisibleCompanionAffinity.esp
UNnaked Power Armor.esp
NukaVictoryFix.esp
multiplecraft.esp
AnsBikinisAndSwimsuits.esp
Nuka-Cola Flavors for the Commonwealth.esp
See You Sleep CW editon - Beta.esp
Nuka Cola Hydrates.esp
xy - Jumpsuits.esp
MoreRobotParts.esp
EnclaveX02.esp
MonnoBikini_AE.esp
MoreThirstZapperAmmo.esp
BazoongasWorkShop.esp
DarkerNights.esp
BetterNightVision.esp
VirginKillerSweater.esp
RaceCustomizer.esp
RaceCustomizer - Far Harbor Compatibility Patch.esp
PonyRaiders.esp
PonySettlers.esp
CaN - Player Pony.esp
CaN - Companion Ponies.esp
LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp
CompanionTracker.esp
CompetitionSwimsuit_AE.esp
2pacSkimpy.esp
NoCollisionBetweenActors.esp
m82a.esp
ChainBikini.esp
SkyrimConversions.esp
Extra_Tracks_Classic.esp
RaiderNeutralFaction.esp
WorkshopRelay.esp
WorkingTableLamps.esp
Loads of Ammo - Leveled Lists.esp
You've Got a Raider or Gunner in Me.esp
Nuka World Bot Fixes.esp
TheMobileMechanic.esp
GatlingLaserAmmoFix.esp
Casp_Workshop.esp
SettleObjExpandPack.esp
CWSS Redux.esp
WeaponsHD.esp
QuietVats.esp
BNPA_NAVI Armor.esp
PA_Materials_Paints.esp
PAMAP SAR Patch.esp
MODGirlyAnimation.esp
PlayerComments.esp
PlayerCommentsCWSSPatch.esp
LooksMenu.esp
TransferSettlements.esp
dinoshelf.esp
dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp
DavesPoses.esp
Perversions.esp
Dickys Pinup Outfit.esp
Chrysalis' Armour.esp
StripEnemiesViaCombat.esp
CombatStripLite.esp
KLPostersAdult.esp
KLPosters.esp
UsefulCrank.esp
Base Automatron to Assaultron.esp
Any_Terminal_at_Any_Height.esp
Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp
Live Action Handy - With GlowMap.esp
UnleveledPerks.esp
BTInteriors_Project.esp
TakeCover.esp
Give Me That Bottle.esp
Thematic and Practical.esp
Vault-Tec Workshop Overhaul.esp
Ponify.esp
BetterAutomatronWeapons.esp
ModdableRobotSettlers.esp
Moddable Plasma Caster.esp
CompanionsGoHome_A.esp
Companion Fall Damage Immunity.esp
settlementheight9000-aio.esp
four_play.esp
VIO_Strap-On.esp
4PlaySEU.esp
FP_FamilyPlanningEnhanced.esp
FP_RSE.esp
SMC.esp

Any idea on what's causing it? And/or what I need to do to disable it?

[VonHelton]

8 hours ago, Evan555alpha said:

So, I recently got around to installing Four Play, and a handful of mods that use it, such as RSE and FPE, as well as their dependencies. Thing is, now my character is now getting lipstick applied every time I load a save, even if the save has no lipstick applied at the time of saving. I don't know what's causing it to happen, whether it's a script, spell, or what, but it's driving me nuts. While it's simple enough to fix, I really don't want to have to slm every time I load up the game. Spoilered is my load order:

 

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Fallout4.esm
DLCRobot.esm
DLCworkshop01.esm
DLCCoast.esm
DLCworkshop02.esm
DLCworkshop03.esm
DLCNukaWorld.esm
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
SettlementKeywords.esm
Companion Infinite Ammo and Unbreakable Power Armour.esm
HUDFramework.esm
TrueStormsFO4.esm
SimSettlements.esm
Loads.esm
ConcealedArmor.esm
Homemaker.esm
CaN.esm
Snap'n Build.esm
ArmorKeywords.esm
CaN Pony Mane Pack.esm
four_play_resources.esm
CBBE.esp
Vault-Tec Historical Preservation Initiative.esp
DoubleAffinityCooldown.esp
TheyWantThatAss.esp
SeasonWantThatAss.esp
le666piercings.esp
Craftable Armor Size.esp
DifficultyXPScaling.esp
OA_VaultTec_MaterialsContainers_FH.esp
True Shadows - All DLC.esp
BrighterSettlementLights_LongAndSoft.esp
Idiot Slut.esp
WLightSaber.esp
NoChameleonFlash.esp
TSW.esp
CMPA +300.esp
LegendaryModification.esp
LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor.esp
Perk Magazine Material Fix.esp
OCDecorator.esp
OCDecoratorDLC.esp
SKE_OCD_Patch.esp
BobbleGirl.esp
DX Courser X-92 Power Suit.esp
CROSS_CosmeticFramework.esm
CROSS_Uni_Scarf.esp
CROSS_Jetpack.esp
CROSS_Swimsuit.esp
TheKite_ScoopDigger.esp
pillow3.esp
ImmersiveVendors.esp
More Armor Slots - Merged - AWKCR.esp
Armorsmith Extended.esp
Armorsmith Automatron.esp
Armorsmith Far Harbor.esp
Armorsmith Nuka World.esp
3in1.esp
GatlingRifle.esp
MaxLockWorkshopTerminals.esp
ACS Master.esp
ACS Paintings.esp
AtomicBeauty.esp
Crafting Workbench.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Automatron DLC.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Ammo.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Ammo Expanded.esp
RILF.esp
Green Commonwealth.esp
YogaOutfit.esp
Quiet.esp
WWE.esp
WWE_Garage.esp
TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp
TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp
TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp
TrueStormsFO4-FarHarborExtraRads.esp
TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsetsFH.esp
TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp
More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp
OA_VaultTec_MaterialsContainers.esp
OA_VaultTec_MaterialsContainers_NW.esp
subwayrunnnerdynamiclighting.esp
AA FusionCityRising.esp
AA FusionCityRising - HotC.esp
FQ_NoMoreLODFlicker_AIO.esp
Some Assembly Required.esp
OutcastsAndRemnants.esp
RidableBot.esp
CombatZoneOverhaul.esp
North Bridge Carpentry.esp
APC_Mobile_Base_v1.3.esp
More Smarter Companions Mod.esp
UnderwaterBaseV1.0.esp
WET.esp
UniqueUniques.esp
FriendlyEasyCityDowns.esp
AA 50 Ways To Die.esp
marineleotard.esp
BioshockInspiredPowerArmor.esp
SDIShutters.esp
NukaGirlSuitEdit.esp
Driveable Motorcycle Mod.esp
AkaWaterWorld.esp
curvygirloutfits.esp
Animated Chems.esp
SnapBeds.esp
TheKite_CaitSet.esp
TheKite_Caitset_ReplacerAddon.esp
1daysVendorsRespawn.esp
VerticalConduits.esp
Smoke-able Cigars.esp
CleanSoup.esp
Locksmith.esp
Spare Railroad as Institute.esp
minutementweak.esp
MaidOutfit.esp
ConcealedArmor.esp
slootyVaultSuit.esp
AutomatronRoboHats.esp
dcc-bp-lol.esp
Lacy Underwear (AWKCR).esp
PortalGun.esp
spacefiddle_Follower-Stealth-Distance-Fixes.esp
FO4Hotkeys.esp
Clean Water - Tropical - ExtraRads.esp
WaterPurificationProject.esp
CROSS_Recall.esp
Scrap Everything.esp
Immersive Waiting.esp
EFF.esp
EFFoodPlanters - High.esp
eFFoodPlanters - Extra Plants - High.esp
Strong Back - Improved -- Far Harbor.esp
VisibleCompanionAffinity.esp
UNnaked Power Armor.esp
NukaVictoryFix.esp
multiplecraft.esp
AnsBikinisAndSwimsuits.esp
Nuka-Cola Flavors for the Commonwealth.esp
See You Sleep CW editon - Beta.esp
Nuka Cola Hydrates.esp
xy - Jumpsuits.esp
MoreRobotParts.esp
EnclaveX02.esp
MonnoBikini_AE.esp
MoreThirstZapperAmmo.esp
BazoongasWorkShop.esp
DarkerNights.esp
BetterNightVision.esp
VirginKillerSweater.esp
RaceCustomizer.esp
RaceCustomizer - Far Harbor Compatibility Patch.esp
PonyRaiders.esp
PonySettlers.esp
CaN - Player Pony.esp
CaN - Companion Ponies.esp
LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp
CompanionTracker.esp
CompetitionSwimsuit_AE.esp
2pacSkimpy.esp
NoCollisionBetweenActors.esp
m82a.esp
ChainBikini.esp
SkyrimConversions.esp
Extra_Tracks_Classic.esp
RaiderNeutralFaction.esp
WorkshopRelay.esp
WorkingTableLamps.esp
Loads of Ammo - Leveled Lists.esp
You've Got a Raider or Gunner in Me.esp
Nuka World Bot Fixes.esp
TheMobileMechanic.esp
GatlingLaserAmmoFix.esp
Casp_Workshop.esp
SettleObjExpandPack.esp
CWSS Redux.esp
WeaponsHD.esp
QuietVats.esp
BNPA_NAVI Armor.esp
PA_Materials_Paints.esp
PAMAP SAR Patch.esp
MODGirlyAnimation.esp
PlayerComments.esp
PlayerCommentsCWSSPatch.esp
LooksMenu.esp
TransferSettlements.esp
dinoshelf.esp
dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp
DavesPoses.esp
Perversions.esp
Dickys Pinup Outfit.esp
Chrysalis' Armour.esp
StripEnemiesViaCombat.esp
CombatStripLite.esp
KLPostersAdult.esp
KLPosters.esp
UsefulCrank.esp
Base Automatron to Assaultron.esp
Any_Terminal_at_Any_Height.esp
Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp
Live Action Handy - With GlowMap.esp
UnleveledPerks.esp
BTInteriors_Project.esp
TakeCover.esp
Give Me That Bottle.esp
Thematic and Practical.esp
Vault-Tec Workshop Overhaul.esp
Ponify.esp
BetterAutomatronWeapons.esp
ModdableRobotSettlers.esp
Moddable Plasma Caster.esp
CompanionsGoHome_A.esp
Companion Fall Damage Immunity.esp
settlementheight9000-aio.esp
four_play.esp
VIO_Strap-On.esp
4PlaySEU.esp
FP_FamilyPlanningEnhanced.esp
FP_RSE.esp
SMC.esp

Any idea on what's causing it? And/or what I need to do to disable it?

Did you look for strange tint masks in your folder?

[Evan555alpha]

1 hour ago, VonHelton said:

Did you look for strange tint masks in your folder?

Strange being? There's plenty of various makeup masks in "Data\Textures\Character\CharacterAssets\TintMasks" and "...\FaceDetails", of which the entire latter folder seems to be related to non-lipstick makeup. There is only three files in "...\TintMasks" and all three have been there for ages, as I extracted them from the vanilla archives ages ago.

 

I'm not sure how a tinktmask on its own would be able to do what is essentially opening the looksmenu on my character, adding the red lipstick, and then confirming changes.

[Evan555alpha]

Welp, I don't know if this is what actually fixed it, or if there was something else that I've forgotten I've done, or what. I was trying to fix some of the log spam from the "Player Comments" mod, and in doing so, discovered that the outdated loose script files I had were causing it, so I promptly removed them. The saves created between doing that and now don't seem to be afflicted with this lipstick bug any more.

 

Though I get the feeling I'll be editing this post soon enough.

 

Edit: Yep, of course, I forgot I also installed the FP Community F4SE Plugin. More than likely that that fixed it, not the PC scripts. Turns out I had missed the part in the install guides for 4P pointing to that, so I never installed it. Flashy's Tutorial is what told me to install it.

[Carreau]

Sometimes it’s just an issue with the skins and overlays. Like randomly, I’ll get the brown face bug. I end up saving and reinstalling the face textures from valkyr and it clears it up. I don’t use any other face mod, it just randomly occurs. And reinstalling my face texture always clears it up. It happened again last night part way through vault 81. 

[Invictusblade]

5 hours ago, Carreau said:

Sometimes it’s just an issue with the skins and overlays. Like randomly, I’ll get the brown face bug. I end up saving and reinstalling the face textures from valkyr and it clears it up. I don’t use any other face mod, it just randomly occurs. And reinstalling my face texture always clears it up. It happened again last night part way through vault 81. 

i think this mod fixes that https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/31028

[guk]

This is a bug with either the base game, or LooksMenu.

 

You have to select something under "Lip Color", otherwise the game will always select the default option every time. It's somewhere under Markings, Blemishes or Damage.

The fix is to use the Custom Color option in LooksMenu - first select a default color, apply and leave the menu with "accept". Then enter it again and make it either very transparent, or select a visible color you prefer.

 

You can also test this by removing the Lip Color entirely, save the preset and load it again. Perhaps the actual "Lipstick" is also affected by the bug, same solution to make it transparent.

[Evan555alpha]

10 hours ago, guk said:

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Well no, From my experience, it seems to have been a bug with my then 4P installation, as I had missed installing something. This bug came about after I had installed 4P and a handful of other mods to go with it, and only wen't away after I installed the missing F4SE Community Patch.

 

But what it could have been doesn't matter now, as it doesn't happen any more.

[guk]

This is the lip color / lipstick bug i'm talking about, reproducible steps:

 

 

 

1) load the game



 

 

 

2) "remove all" under "extras"



 

 

3) save the preset



 

 

4) load the preset again - lipstick and lip color are back



 

 

5) and if you check the "extras", you can see that the game picked the default options for both



 

 

 

 
 

 

 

I don't use any mods like Fourplay, and this bug has always been in the game as long as i can remember.

 

Perhaps this could also be intended by Bethesda, because the vanilla lips look terrible without tints on top.

[Evan555alpha]

4 hours ago, guk said:

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A completely different bug to what I had; my problem was as though someone had used the "slm" command on my character, and applied lipstick with the colour red chosen. Nothing was necessarily out of the ordinary with the lipstick tint itself, it was just that the makeup portion of it was being applied and re-applied to my character, presumably on game load. The fix for it was literally just un-applying the lipstick within the looks menu.

 

Between that, and with how it only came about after I installed 4P, this is why I was lead to believe that it was a script or a spell that was causing it, rather than some form of bug that would be inexplicable.

[guk]

One of my other presets has this with red lipstick too; though if you want to believe that some magical voodoo script is causing this then you can do that as well ;-)

[Evan555alpha]

1 minute ago, guk said:

One of my other presets has this with red lipstick too; though if you want to believe that some magical voodoo script is causing this then you can do that as well ;-)

But my presets load just fine, and I was actually loading the preset to undo the changes? You said yourself that you "Don't use any mods like Fourplay", so if you wanna be a fucking wanker about what I thought the cause was, go ahead.

Again, it doesn't fucking matter now. It's been solved because I did a thing that I didn't do beforehand. The cause is irrelevant.

[guk]

Well perhaps it really are 2 entirely different bugs with the same / similar result.

Like one bug causes the player to have a brown face on game reload, while the other looks exactly the same on NPCs but happens randomly while playing and is fixed by reloading instead.

 

 

But i think you also know of the "placebo" and "hypochondriac" effects, when you un/install a mod and you get the impression that it causes/fixes something completely unrelated. Hence my comment ;-)