UUNP Firekeeper

Todd420 · April 12, 2018

UUNP Firekeeper

UPDATED

UUNP firekeeper dress, just the dress and foot wraps.

The new textures are almost the same but much better.

Submitter

Todd420
Submitted

04/12/2018
Category

Armor & Clothing
Requires

Skyrim, SKSE, UUNP-Bodyslide, HDT, XPMSE
Special Edition Compatible

No

Cattpride · April 12, 2018

Please link the clothing set that's required for this. There are like 3 different mods for Skyrim of the Fire Keeper set from Dark Souls 3.

Fish_Hook · April 12, 2018

I'll echo cattprides' request as well. Also, unless my body slide skills are sorely lacking there needs to be a SliderSets (with an osp file), SliderGroups (with an xml, and SliderPresets (your xml goes in here) for this to work.

Maestro255 · April 12, 2018

For best result install:

1: http://mitakusaner.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-1977.html

2: https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/4516-darksouls-3-firekeeper-set-uunp-esp-tweaks/

3: This Patch

Todd420 · April 12, 2018

You know what?

I was going to hand you what you want on a silver platter but..

This is a modders forum, not Burger King.

Now I'm not even close to wanting to help either of you because you are not modders and you don't read.

What is the name of the file?

I'll make it easier.. The word is PATCH.

Why patch something you don't have?

Want the mod? Go look for it.

Just make sure you thank Nini when you find it.

Yes they are lacking..

Todd420 · April 12, 2018

22 minutes ago, Maestro255 said:

For best result install:

1: http://mitakusaner.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-1977.html

2: https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/4516-darksouls-3-firekeeper-set-uunp-esp-tweaks/

3: This Patch

WRONG

Think Patreon

Fish_Hook · April 13, 2018

Well I used the nifs and textures you provided in the original upload to extrapolate and add the outfit to my own game, then used outfit studio to morph the nif to my current body shape. That was before I revisited here to find that you posted a link to ninis patreon. I apologize that my message was received as hostile, but I only meant to help out a fellow modder. I also hope that your day wasn't ruined from being angry at my post. I don't post often and when I do try to be helpful but somehow that went awry this time. Regardless thank you for directing us to ninis patreon so we can thank them.

By the way, your edits of Lexi look pretty damn good

Cattpride · April 13, 2018

9 hours ago, Todd420 said:

You know what?

I was going to hand you what you want on a silver platter but..

This is a modders forum, not Burger King.

Now I'm not even close to wanting to help either of you because you are not modders and you don't read.

What is the name of the file?

I'll make it easier.. The word is PATCH.

Why patch something you don't have?

Want the mod? Go look for it.

Just make sure you thank Nini when you find it.

Yes they are lacking..

It is a patch, which you left here without putting down what specific mod it patches.

You may not have read what I wrote either, because I stated that there are several different mods that add the Fire Keeper set from Dark Souls. Your patch will only work for one of them, and even if it is nice, I don't feel like anyone would be in the mood to track down all those mods and test each of them one by one to see which one is the right one.

Todd420 · April 13, 2018

9 hours ago, Fish_Hook said:

Well I used the nifs and textures you provided in the original upload to extrapolate and add the outfit to my own game, then used outfit studio to morph the nif to my current body shape. That was before I revisited here to find that you posted a link to ninis patreon. I apologize that my message was received as hostile, but I only meant to help out a fellow modder. I also hope that your day wasn't ruined from being angry at my post. I don't post often and when I do try to be helpful but somehow that went awry this time. Regardless thank you for directing us to ninis patreon so we can thank them.

By the way, your edits of Lexi look pretty damn good

appreciated. Thanks

Todd420 · April 13, 2018

9 hours ago, Cattpride said:

It is a patch, which you left here without putting down what specific mod it patches.

You may not have read what I wrote either, because I stated that there are several different mods that add the Fire Keeper set from Dark Souls. Your patch will only work for one of them, and even if it is nice, I don't feel like anyone would be in the mood to track down all those mods and test each of them one by one to see which one is the right one.

I'm not going to argue with you. I posted the requirements, all of them.. ok?

Don't like the free lunch? Don't eat it, don't complain and move on with your life.

I had to post it this way because I'm not a proponent of paid mods and I don't like endorsing them however; I do respect Nini's wishes of not posting his mod elsewhere (here). The nif I included is the UUNP bodyslide conversion template. My xml is my body shape preference which doesn't work well with all outfits. But the whole is a drop in patch none the less providing that ALL of the posted requirements were met. (If the shirt don't fit, don't wear it) I didn't feel like taking the time to find Nini's page again so it became a self help exercise for you and everyone else. Think for yourself, don't have others do for you what you can do for yourself and don't ask questions you can answer yourself, You're better off being this way in the long run.

Just so no one mistakes what I'm about. I build some guitars here and there. I do repairs, setups, amps, pedalboards, sound engineering for the love of it. I do it for others for free. I don't take a loss other than my time. It's a love thing. It's not my career but I help others with the comfort, performance and sound of their gear. It's complicated and dynamic to say the least, just because I love doing it and I'll do it all day long if I have the time and energy.. That is until they complain. I do the best I can because I live for the smile factor, you know? When the smiles stop, so do I.

Anyway.. For what it's worth, enjoy it. From me to you.

AnonAngelion · April 13, 2018

3 hours ago, Todd420 said:

I'm not going to argue with you. I posted the requirements, all of them.. ok?

Don't like the free lunch? Don't eat it, don't complain and move on with your life.

I had to post it this way because I'm not a proponent of paid mods and I don't like endorsing them however; I do respect Nini's wishes of not posting his mod elsewhere (here). The nif I included is the UUNP bodyslide conversion template. My xml is my body shape preference which doesn't work well with all outfits. But the whole is a drop in patch none the less providing that ALL of the posted requirements were met. (If the shirt don't fit, don't wear it) I didn't feel like taking the time to find Nini's page again so it became a self help exercise for you and everyone else. Think for yourself, don't have others do for you what you can do for yourself and don't ask questions you can answer yourself, You're better off being this way in the long run.

Just so no one mistakes what I'm about. I build some guitars here and there. I do repairs, setups, amps, pedalboards, sound engineering for the love of it. I do it for others for free. I don't take a loss other than my time. It's a love thing. It's not my career but I help others with the comfort, performance and sound of their gear. It's complicated and dynamic to say the least, just because I love doing it and I'll do it all day long if I have the time and energy.. That is until they complain. I do the best I can because I live for the smile factor, you know? When the smiles stop, so do I.

Anyway.. For what it's worth, enjoy it. From me to you.

You know, given that only a few people have posted on this mod thread, and they're asking some pretty reasonable questions, your wasting more time and energy being needlessly hostile to them instead of just clarifying things in a few easy lines.

There's a written rule on LoversLab that says "Don't be a jerk", And to use your own analogical phrasing, If one with complaints about that "Free meal" can "Not eat it", you can "Not Volunteer" to make mods for a community which you clearly have no patience for, it's still a two way street, you chose to make mods and post them publicly, so don't expect people to not ask questions if they feel something is unclear, we aren't computers, somebody's inability to understand your initial instructions can be due to many factors OTHER than just being a dunce.

I understand that maybe you've made many mods perhaps, and have dealt with many such cases of people just being lazy or abusive or whatever, but we're not all like that, so I would appreciate it if you wouldn't tar everyone with the same brush.

Your not above others here just because of your creations, your a person, like the rest of us, so IF you decide to post a mod in future, don't be so damn disrespectful, Respect too, is a two way street, and no one here deserved having their head snapped off.

*WaxenFigure* · April 14, 2018

5 hours ago, Todd420 said:

I'm not going to argue with you. I posted the requirements, all of them.. ok?

Don't like the free lunch? Don't eat it, don't complain and move on with your life.

I had to post it this way because I'm not a proponent of paid mods and I don't like endorsing them however; I do respect Nini's wishes of not posting his mod elsewhere (here). The nif I included is the UUNP bodyslide conversion template. My xml is my body shape preference which doesn't work well with all outfits. But the whole is a drop in patch none the less providing that ALL of the posted requirements were met. (If the shirt don't fit, don't wear it) I didn't feel like taking the time to find Nini's page again so it became a self help exercise for you and everyone else. Think for yourself, don't have others do for you what you can do for yourself and don't ask questions you can answer yourself, You're better off being this way in the long run.

Just so no one mistakes what I'm about. I build some guitars here and there. I do repairs, setups, amps, pedalboards, sound engineering for the love of it. I do it for others for free. I don't take a loss other than my time. It's a love thing. It's not my career but I help others with the comfort, performance and sound of their gear. It's complicated and dynamic to say the least, just because I love doing it and I'll do it all day long if I have the time and energy.. That is until they complain. I do the best I can because I live for the smile factor, you know? When the smiles stop, so do I.

Anyway.. For what it's worth, enjoy it. From me to you.

Honestly, your instructions in the initial post are a bit sparse and hard to understand especially for the parts of the audience that are not native speakers of English. That you've provided a link to the required armor under a heading of "Go see Nini" isn't enough of a clue for a lot of people and that alone is where I think all of the confusion is coming from since many people don't click on links they don't understand the purpose for.

Regardless, thank you for your contribution.

AnonAngelion · April 14, 2018

On 12/04/2018 at 10:18 PM, Maestro255 said:

For best result install:

1: http://mitakusaner.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-1977.html

2: https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/4516-darksouls-3-firekeeper-set-uunp-esp-tweaks/

3: This Patch

On 12/04/2018 at 10:41 PM, Todd420 said:

WRONG

Think Patreon

Actually, Maestro255 was correct that this order offers best results, I tried downloading NINIs version of the outfit and patching it with this mod and it did nothing, because the armor this patches is NOT NINIs, but a costume collection version done by a different modder from an apparently Chinese site.

As proof, I made an account with the site to download said version of Firekeeper, and noticed that the footwraps in NINIs were flat, while the wraps in this patch are High Heel-ified, the outfit from the Chinese site was High Heel-ified as well, and upon combining the 3 files as Maestro instructs, they worked perfectly together, NINIs mod seemingly has no connection to this patch.

Todd420 · April 14, 2018

Hi Eva, hey Mr WF.. (props)

What I wanted to contribute was a single diffusion texture. But we all know where that would lead. So I changed the alpha properties in a single nif mesh for it to work in bodyslide; for those not knowing what to do with it.

So I made my texture changes and thought.. "Damn, this turned out pretty good." So I thought of "the community".. Then the can of worms thing ensues. Oh shit, now I have to retrace my steps just to get it out to avoid complaining which always leads to more Burger King customer service attitudes and some very well intentioned help from Maestro. Maestro, sorry dude, you got caught in the blowback for which I am Sorry. You're helpful and cool.

Waxen figure is top shelf in my opinion. Sorry but my memory fails me for you Eva but 200 posts means something.

I am not helpful here, I don't even pretend to be. I submit indulgences; nothing more..

Had I been a more experiences contributor I would've turned off the support option if possible but.. The lesson I learned once again is that if it isn't perfect, complete and wrapped neatly with a bow, there will be complaints and advice on what to do and how to be.

I enjoy what I do with photoshop going back to 1998. It isn't even close to what I do for a living but if it was I'd be more open to criticism.

I guess all of the criticism and finger pointing in the world is getting to me..

The terms "if you don't have anything good to say don't say anything" and the "do unto others" thing have been lost in time. Maybe I am too.

Or I could go back to what my likeness implies and fall off the wagon and I do know that I owe Maestro a solid.

AnonAngelion · April 14, 2018

6 hours ago, Todd420 said:

Hi Eva, hey Mr WF.. (props)

What I wanted to contribute was a single diffusion texture. But we all know where that would lead. So I changed the alpha properties in a single nif mesh for it to work in bodyslide; for those not knowing what to do with it.

So I made my texture changes and thought.. "Damn, this turned out pretty good." So I thought of "the community".. Then the can of worms thing ensues. Oh shit, now I have to retrace my steps just to get it out to avoid complaining which always leads to more Burger King customer service attitudes and some very well intentioned help from Maestro. Maestro, sorry dude, you got caught in the blowback for which I am Sorry. You're helpful and cool.

Waxen figure is top shelf in my opinion. Sorry but my memory fails me for you Eva but 200 posts means something.

I am not helpful here, I don't even pretend to be. I submit indulgences; nothing more..

Had I been a more experiences contributor I would've turned off the support option if possible but.. The lesson I learned once again is that if it isn't perfect, complete and wrapped neatly with a bow, there will be complaints and advice on what to do and how to be.

I enjoy what I do with photoshop going back to 1998. It isn't even close to what I do for a living but if it was I'd be more open to criticism.

I guess all of the criticism and finger pointing in the world is getting to me..

The terms "if you don't have anything good to say don't say anything" and the "do unto others" thing have been lost in time. Maybe I am too.

Or I could go back to what my likeness implies and fall off the wagon and I do know that I owe Maestro a solid.

So you were having a bad day and got snappy right? That's fine, happens to the best of us, and thank you for showing some degree of sentiment to the situation, it's appreciated.

Neither me nor anyone here have an issue with your contribution, it's very good, and again appreciated, I would say try not to let the attitudes of "some" poison your view of the rest of us, I've been a member here for a number of years and I rarely see an abundance of bad attitude thankfully, sometimes I've even been surprised past my expectations at how helpful people can be, even if they're strapped for time.

The only issue we have had with this mod is just that the description is very short, and doesn't necessarily offer all the needed information an "outsider" requires to judge it see?

As you may have seen on one of my posts here, I tested NINIs version of firekeeper with this patch and the two didn't seem to operate together, NINIs version was left unaltered by the patch, yet you seemingly mislead people in the way your instructions were worded into thinking the patch required NINIs mod, He/She is a very talented mod author true, and deserves credit for what they have done, it just has nothing to do (As far as I can tell) with your patch, that is all.

We got off on the wrong foot and I hope we can all start over now, Thank you Todd for your contribution, and I wish you a good day. :smile:

Todd420 · April 15, 2018

The moral.. Avoid poking a bear with a stick. It results in a bad day. If you make off with his honey, pause, count your fingers and don't try to take more.

What I mean is that people have lost their good manners. If you want something don't complain to get what you want, then it becomes an entitlement issue. However; if you ask nicely, even using the term "please?", you get an entirely different response presented to you. I have no parental obligations here and I don't have a customer support system build into my "no-business model" so the bear surfaces from time to time depending on how the request was presented to me. I never said I was wrong although sometimes a little collateral damage occurs which is the category Maestro fell into. For perspective, I've missed opponents in hockey and hit referee's more than once. It happens. It's part of the game as is, in life. Political correctness is the worst thing that has happened to humanity because it negates the requirements for good social behaviour and the urgency of politeness.

It's a P's and Q's thing..

Have a good one Eva..

AnonAngelion · April 16, 2018

20 hours ago, Todd420 said:

The moral.. Avoid poking a bear with a stick. It results in a bad day. If you make off with his honey, pause, count your fingers and don't try to take more.

What I mean is that people have lost their good manners. If you want something don't complain to get what you want, then it becomes an entitlement issue. However; if you ask nicely, even using the term "please?", you get an entirely different response presented to you. I have no parental obligations here and I don't have a customer support system build into my "no-business model" so the bear surfaces from time to time depending on how the request was presented to me. I never said I was wrong although sometimes a little collateral damage occurs which is the category Maestro fell into. For perspective, I've missed opponents in hockey and hit referee's more than once. It happens. It's part of the game as is, in life. Political correctness is the worst thing that has happened to humanity because it negates the requirements for good social behaviour and the urgency of politeness.

It's a P's and Q's thing..

Have a good one Eva..

Lol, I find it difficult to take your point about politeness seriously, when you don't practice what your preaching, from what I can see, your treating the community as a "Whole" as if we're ALL whiny, overly entitled, snobs that have no manners, which is definitely not the case, and it comes across as being very ignorant.

I could fully understand your reaction if this page was filled with such people who were "Demanding" help from you and being an ass in general, but no one here was, the first 2 commenters were merely stating the need for more information, they were not treating you like a "Burger King representative" as you put it, they weren't being disrespectful, they just asked for some elaboration on which Firekeeper mod this patches, politely.

Not to mention the first thing Cattpride said on his comment was "Please", and Fish_Hook just made a pretty neutral statement about something that was required to make this work for the mod you state as required (NINIs Firekeeper), to which you replied with a totally uncalled for level of hostility, so again, I don't see your point, no one was acting any differently to how one would talk to another face to face toward you.

Why do I continue debating this you might be wondering? it's because we're "All" part of this community, and as long as anyone continues posting on this site with the belief that it's ok to be a dick to people just because a few morons were a dick to them, it's just going to remain being a stain on the goodwill of the community, LoversLab is meant to be a place where anyone can share their enthusiasm for mods, Adult or otherwise, judgement free, yes, there will always be the minority that make the place look untidy, but the important thing is that "You" don't become one of them.

Which brings me back to my original point, Respect is earned, it's not entitled, if your going to post things here, not make an effort to explain the objective of them and then go on a tirade about how we should all just accept what you've done and like it, honestly dude, we'd rather you don't bother, because you completely miss the purpose of this site, information helps other aspiring mod authors to start out and move up to doing greater things.

Can you imagine what the modding community would be like if no one shared the finer details of how their mods work and how they are constructed? No, I'm not asking you to write a 10 page essay on how you code your mods, but the least you can do is specify clearly, the basic steps one must take to correctly install your mod and not bork it.

It's very simple, we just need "How to do it" and "How NOT to do it", which can be explained in but a few short, "Non-Sarcastic" sounding lines, if you do that and you STILL get people who are asking "How to open a tin can" as it were, than simply ignore those people, they have to challenge themselves to learn the bare essentials on their own.

But in any case, it's your choice, either you make the effort, and earn the respect that comes with putting your heart into what you do, or, you can continue being the way you have been, and no one will want to even try your creations, it's up to you, it doesn't bother us, there will always be others who approach the same idea from a different angle, that's how the community has grown.

One final thing, this doesn't come from a place of hostility, its just a little advice, take it for what you will, but I'm "Usually" a calm, well mannered person, I just can't stand unfair behaviour, nevermind this site, our world is only as kind as we make it, so it's very important we don't allow the dark, hateful tendencies of the few to poison who we are ourselves, we all have bad days, I'm not begrudging you that, I'm simply calling you out on the fact that you still believe, after having time to reflect on things, that you were right to act the way you did, I think that is unfair, and that is why I'm carrying on about it, but I've said enough. I'll leave the rest to you.

netruss1964 · April 18, 2018

On 4/16/2018 at 10:39 AM, AnonAngelion said:

Lol, I find it difficult to take your point about politeness seriously, when you don't practice what your preaching, from what I can see, your treating the community as a "Whole" as if we're ALL whiny, overly entitled, snobs that have no manners, which is definitely not the case, and it comes across as being very ignorant.

I could fully understand your reaction if this page was filled with such people who were "Demanding" help from you and being an ass in general, but no one here was, the first 2 commenters were merely stating the need for more information, they were not treating you like a "Burger King representative" as you put it, they weren't being disrespectful, they just asked for some elaboration on which Firekeeper mod this patches, politely.

Not to mention the first thing Cattpride said on his comment was "Please", and Fish_Hook just made a pretty neutral statement about something that was required to make this work for the mod you state as required (NINIs Firekeeper), to which you replied with a totally uncalled for level of hostility, so again, I don't see your point, no one was acting any differently to how one would talk to another face to face toward you.

Why do I continue debating this you might be wondering? it's because we're "All" part of this community, and as long as anyone continues posting on this site with the belief that it's ok to be a dick to people just because a few morons were a dick to them, it's just going to remain being a stain on the goodwill of the community, LoversLab is meant to be a place where anyone can share their enthusiasm for mods, Adult or otherwise, judgement free, yes, there will always be the minority that make the place look untidy, but the important thing is that "You" don't become one of them.

Which brings me back to my original point, Respect is earned, it's not entitled, if your going to post things here, not make an effort to explain the objective of them and then go on a tirade about how we should all just accept what you've done and like it, honestly dude, we'd rather you don't bother, because you completely miss the purpose of this site, information helps other aspiring mod authors to start out and move up to doing greater things.

Can you imagine what the modding community would be like if no one shared the finer details of how their mods work and how they are constructed? No, I'm not asking you to write a 10 page essay on how you code your mods, but the least you can do is specify clearly, the basic steps one must take to correctly install your mod and not bork it.

It's very simple, we just need "How to do it" and "How NOT to do it", which can be explained in but a few short, "Non-Sarcastic" sounding lines, if you do that and you STILL get people who are asking "How to open a tin can" as it were, than simply ignore those people, they have to challenge themselves to learn the bare essentials on their own.

But in any case, it's your choice, either you make the effort, and earn the respect that comes with putting your heart into what you do, or, you can continue being the way you have been, and no one will want to even try your creations, it's up to you, it doesn't bother us, there will always be others who approach the same idea from a different angle, that's how the community has grown.

One final thing, this doesn't come from a place of hostility, its just a little advice, take it for what you will, but I'm "Usually" a calm, well mannered person, I just can't stand unfair behaviour, nevermind this site, our world is only as kind as we make it, so it's very important we don't allow the dark, hateful tendencies of the few to poison who we are ourselves, we all have bad days, I'm not begrudging you that, I'm simply calling you out on the fact that you still believe, after having time to reflect on things, that you were right to act the way you did, I think that is unfair, and that is why I'm carrying on about it, but I've said enough. I'll leave the rest to you.

I personally stumbled across the mod page in my most recent mod addiction Binge (that is right now...). I must admit to being totally confused by the description so I popped over to the support page to read up on the questions I KNOW will be asked. After reading the preceding posts I felt the need to comment...read it or do not, I only mention it in an attempt to clarify. It is easier to misconstrue or misinterpret intended emotions/feelings from written communication than it is to properly convey intended emotions/feelings, especially if the person reading the communication has all ready concluded "what to expect". That said, I am not interested in down loading at this time. Please Have a wonderful rest of the week.

Todd420 · April 18, 2018

On 4/16/2018 at 10:39 AM, AnonAngelion said:

Lol, I find it difficult to take your point about politeness seriously, when you don't practice what your preaching, from what I can see, your treating the community as a "Whole" as if we're ALL whiny, overly entitled, snobs that have no manners, which is definitely not the case, and it comes across as being very ignorant.

I could fully understand your reaction if this page was filled with such people who were "Demanding" help from you and being an ass in general, but no one here was, the first 2 commenters were merely stating the need for more information, they were not treating you like a "Burger King representative" as you put it, they weren't being disrespectful, they just asked for some elaboration on which Firekeeper mod this patches, politely.

Not to mention the first thing Cattpride said on his comment was "Please", and Fish_Hook just made a pretty neutral statement about something that was required to make this work for the mod you state as required (NINIs Firekeeper), to which you replied with a totally uncalled for level of hostility, so again, I don't see your point, no one was acting any differently to how one would talk to another face to face toward you.

Why do I continue debating this you might be wondering? it's because we're "All" part of this community, and as long as anyone continues posting on this site with the belief that it's ok to be a dick to people just because a few morons were a dick to them, it's just going to remain being a stain on the goodwill of the community, LoversLab is meant to be a place where anyone can share their enthusiasm for mods, Adult or otherwise, judgement free, yes, there will always be the minority that make the place look untidy, but the important thing is that "You" don't become one of them.

Which brings me back to my original point, Respect is earned, it's not entitled, if your going to post things here, not make an effort to explain the objective of them and then go on a tirade about how we should all just accept what you've done and like it, honestly dude, we'd rather you don't bother, because you completely miss the purpose of this site, information helps other aspiring mod authors to start out and move up to doing greater things.

Can you imagine what the modding community would be like if no one shared the finer details of how their mods work and how they are constructed? No, I'm not asking you to write a 10 page essay on how you code your mods, but the least you can do is specify clearly, the basic steps one must take to correctly install your mod and not bork it.

It's very simple, we just need "How to do it" and "How NOT to do it", which can be explained in but a few short, "Non-Sarcastic" sounding lines, if you do that and you STILL get people who are asking "How to open a tin can" as it were, than simply ignore those people, they have to challenge themselves to learn the bare essentials on their own.

But in any case, it's your choice, either you make the effort, and earn the respect that comes with putting your heart into what you do, or, you can continue being the way you have been, and no one will want to even try your creations, it's up to you, it doesn't bother us, there will always be others who approach the same idea from a different angle, that's how the community has grown.

One final thing, this doesn't come from a place of hostility, its just a little advice, take it for what you will, but I'm "Usually" a calm, well mannered person, I just can't stand unfair behaviour, nevermind this site, our world is only as kind as we make it, so it's very important we don't allow the dark, hateful tendencies of the few to poison who we are ourselves, we all have bad days, I'm not begrudging you that, I'm simply calling you out on the fact that you still believe, after having time to reflect on things, that you were right to act the way you did, I think that is unfair, and that is why I'm carrying on about it, but I've said enough. I'll leave the rest to you.

I don't think you're carrying on with anything. It's a conversation with regard to differing opinions. It's healthy. No one has to agree and no one has to be wrong. No one is the final arbiter of "right". I don't profess to be nice but I do make common use of the terms please and thank you which are the only demands I ever make.

This is a good conversation by the way.. I can't speak for you but I'm enjoying it. Your point though.. Look at any of the bodyslide strings.. Nothing but demands which I get every time I post anything but I normally let it slide.. This is after all.. a forum. You're example of how to talk to other people is cute and I don't mean that sarcastically. That was sincere.

Todd420 · April 18, 2018

6 hours ago, netruss1964 said:

I personally stumbled across the mod page in my most recent mod addiction Binge (that is right now...). I must admit to being totally confused by the description so I popped over to the support page to read up on the questions I KNOW will be asked. After reading the preceding posts I felt the need to comment...read it or do not, I only mention it in an attempt to clarify. It is easier to misconstrue or misinterpret intended emotions/feelings from written communication than it is to properly convey intended emotions/feelings, especially if the person reading the communication has all ready concluded "what to expect". That said, I am not interested in down loading at this time. Please Have a wonderful rest of the week.

Yep.. Every word out of respect. I don't really care how many people download it and I went as far as to say that it's crap didn't I? There's nothing at all to read into what I say. My sarcasm, when I employ it is intentionally obvious but what you had to say flew straight over my head. But hey.. all the best. :smile:

AnonAngelion · April 18, 2018

5 hours ago, Todd420 said:

I don't think you're carrying on with anything. It's a conversation with regard to differing opinions. It's healthy. No one has to agree and no one has to be wrong. No one is the final arbiter of "right". I don't profess to be nice but I do make common use of the terms please and thank you which are the only demands I ever make.

This is a good conversation by the way.. I can't speak for you but I'm enjoying it. Your point though.. Look at any of the bodyslide strings.. Nothing but demands which I get every time I post anything but I normally let it slide.. This is after all.. a forum. You're example of how to talk to other people is cute and I don't mean that sarcastically. That was sincere.

Yes I do enjoy a good debate, it's mentally stimulating, and can rarely be had without tempers flaring and everyone being mortally triggered in today's world, Don't get me wrong Todd, I know of those you speak, and as I said, I can completely understand why someone would get exasperated with the situation, if that makes up a large part of their experience, either here on LoversLab or elsewhere, if that has truly been your most common experience, then that's a shame, but at the risk of repeating myself a third time, don't let it become the sole image of what a mod user is.

I myself have little to no experience creating mods, I contribute by testing them and offering advice on those I gain an understanding of.

The best I can do is know where to place files to achieve my desired effect, I've been that guy that fucks up my game by doing something hasty and stupid, having to stomach the embarrassment of asking for help on a thread, help which I realize, I may not get, the thought that I may have to re-download skyrim because of my mistake, and sometimes, tho rarely, I've mispoke, making my request for help sound like i'm blaming the author, the reality is, I was just angry at myself, it happens.

You just need to realize as the receiver of such behaviour, that the "Demanding tone" isn't always directed at you, it's often directed inward, but ends up being projected outward through flaring emotions, it's how we resolve to learn.

First comes a mistake, then self disdain, and that disdain becomes a vacuum, absorbing the negative energy that we feel we deserve, it's an example of how humans self destruct, in order to mold themselves anew, after all, what spark is there to learn differently, when one thinks they have already mastered, dark emotions are sometimes necessary to break down ineffective thoughts, and embrace change, tho of course, it's equally important not to let said emotions rule us.

Perhaps you see this as an excuse for people being an ass, on the contrary, My point is based on a theory that is thus, No one can "Make You" feel bad about yourself, receiving negative feedback or mistreatment, and feeling defeated by it is, tho an understandable reaction, is "Technically" your decision.

All life is essentially one big stomach, hungering for all things, and just as they say "You are what you eat" you project the energy that you allow inside your being, whether positive OR negative, when we're happy, we hunger for more happiness, we project that happiness, and feed others who are happy, when we are angry, sad or despairing, we hunger to be proved right, to be put out of our misery in the realization that nothing in the world has a purpose, and all effort is pointless, we seek to be destroyed, so that life we deem better than us can flourish, however...all in all, it is merely a switch, and that switch is triggered many thousands of times in our lifespan.

Once I realized this, everything became clear, the innermost workings of the human mind, I've tested this theory all my life, smiling and being kind to some that were displaying hostility to me, it didn't take long before they deflated, unable to respond angrily for long, as I refused to feed their hunger for negativity, and showed that they couldn't affect me.

The only individuals I've witnessed as immune to this are the mentally unstable, as with them, it's like they are looking through a visor, showing them a world that serves "Only" to feed their preferred hunger.

As someone who understands these things, I have devoted my life to a vow, to teach this knowledge to any who are willing to listen, understanding this could at the very least, arm us to make the world gradually a better place, it's funny tho, humanity as a whole seems to understand animals better than we understand our own species.

This is because we observe animals daily, how many documentaries have been made about animals versus the number made about humans? the difference is staggering, it's little wonder we understand each other so poorly, in the age of computers, facebook, etc, we have only dismissed each other more, even as we apparently become "More connected".

Lol, Anyway... This is LONG, so I'll take a pause here haha. :tongue:

donttouchmethere · April 18, 2018

amazing,

first time i looked into this topic i got angry about all those straw man arguments (mc dreck, political correctness)...

but now its a realy interesting and cool debate from that i can learn something.

i get the impression Todds mod made more things transparent than it was created for :smile:

netruss1964 · April 19, 2018

I am not sure what it looks like, others have said it looks good. Not an issue, Semi transparent drew me over but not knowing what it is or how to apply it to my game without downloading it to "crack the mystery" was/is a bit much for my simple need to see skin in Skyrim, no offense intended. I am certain you did not need me to download, no worries. I was adding my vote to the unclear column and thinking the preceding was totally awkward. It was not my intention to kick sand into any one's lunch box. As I said, I felt a need, all gone now. Have a great rest of the week! (heck, have a great rest of the month too!)! ( exit stage left.).

Edit: I was not confused by your sarcasm, I made the statement for every one's defense, including you under that umbrella. It is easy to misinterpret text.

netruss1964 · April 19, 2018

13 hours ago, AnonAngelion said:

Yes I do enjoy a good debate, it's mentally stimulating, and can rarely be had without tempers flaring and everyone being mortally triggered in today's world, Don't get me wrong Todd, I know of those you speak, and as I said, I can completely understand why someone would get exasperated with the situation, if that makes up a large part of their experience, either here on LoversLab or elsewhere, if that has truly been your most common experience, then that's a shame, but at the risk of repeating myself a third time, don't let it become the sole image of what a mod user is.

I myself have little to no experience creating mods, I contribute by testing them and offering advice on those I gain an understanding of.

The best I can do is know where to place files to achieve my desired effect, I've been that guy that fucks up my game by doing something hasty and stupid, having to stomach the embarrassment of asking for help on a thread, help which I realize, I may not get, the thought that I may have to re-download skyrim because of my mistake, and sometimes, tho rarely, I've mispoke, making my request for help sound like i'm blaming the author, the reality is, I was just angry at myself, it happens.

You just need to realize as the receiver of such behaviour, that the "Demanding tone" isn't always directed at you, it's often directed inward, but ends up being projected outward through flaring emotions, it's how we resolve to learn.

First comes a mistake, then self disdain, and that disdain becomes a vacuum, absorbing the negative energy that we feel we deserve, it's an example of how humans self destruct, in order to mold themselves anew, after all, what spark is there to learn differently, when one thinks they have already mastered, dark emotions are sometimes necessary to break down ineffective thoughts, and embrace change, tho of course, it's equally important not to let said emotions rule us.

Perhaps you see this as an excuse for people being an ass, on the contrary, My point is based on a theory that is thus, No one can "Make You" feel bad about yourself, receiving negative feedback or mistreatment, and feeling defeated by it is, tho an understandable reaction, is "Technically" your decision.

All life is essentially one big stomach, hungering for all things, and just as they say "You are what you eat" you project the energy that you allow inside your being, whether positive OR negative, when we're happy, we hunger for more happiness, we project that happiness, and feed others who are happy, when we are angry, sad or despairing, we hunger to be proved right, to be put out of our misery in the realization that nothing in the world has a purpose, and all effort is pointless, we seek to be destroyed, so that life we deem better than us can flourish, however...all in all, it is merely a switch, and that switch is triggered many thousands of times in our lifespan.

Once I realized this, everything became clear, the innermost workings of the human mind, I've tested this theory all my life, smiling and being kind to some that were displaying hostility to me, it didn't take long before they deflated, unable to respond angrily for long, as I refused to feed their hunger for negativity, and showed that they couldn't affect me.

The only individuals I've witnessed as immune to this are the mentally unstable, as with them, it's like they are looking through a visor, showing them a world that serves "Only" to feed their preferred hunger.

As someone who understands these things, I have devoted my life to a vow, to teach this knowledge to any who are willing to listen, understanding this could at the very least, arm us to make the world gradually a better place, it's funny tho, humanity as a whole seems to understand animals better than we understand our own species.

This is because we observe animals daily, how many documentaries have been made about animals versus the number made about humans? the difference is staggering, it's little wonder we understand each other so poorly, in the age of computers, facebook, etc, we have only dismissed each other more, even as we apparently become "More connected".

Lol, Anyway... This is LONG, so I'll take a pause here haha.

OOOoooo...Been there lots. Last time I downloaded Skyrim I trapped the whole folder in a zip file and stuck it on a flash drive. Now I just tell steam to uninstall, I delete the folder, delete the Skyrim folder in "My Documents", unzip my Pristine Zip into my steam folder and tell Steam to reinstall. Steam "looks" for remaining files, finds my unzipped folder and reports "Done". I am ready to play again. Steam does not delete all the files if any so it "looks" for what it left after uninstall, finds the folder and says "done". Much faster, F.Y.I.

Hopefully you will not need this info or you knew this all ready. Oh well, Have fun regardless!

Todd420 · April 19, 2018

14 hours ago, AnonAngelion said:

Yes I do enjoy a good debate, it's mentally stimulating, and can rarely be had without tempers flaring and everyone being mortally triggered in today's world, Don't get me wrong Todd, I know of those you speak, and as I said, I can completely understand why someone would get exasperated with the situation, if that makes up a large part of their experience, either here on LoversLab or elsewhere, if that has truly been your most common experience, then that's a shame, but at the risk of repeating myself a third time, don't let it become the sole image of what a mod user is.

I myself have little to no experience creating mods, I contribute by testing them and offering advice on those I gain an understanding of.

The best I can do is know where to place files to achieve my desired effect, I've been that guy that fucks up my game by doing something hasty and stupid, having to stomach the embarrassment of asking for help on a thread, help which I realize, I may not get, the thought that I may have to re-download skyrim because of my mistake, and sometimes, tho rarely, I've mispoke, making my request for help sound like i'm blaming the author, the reality is, I was just angry at myself, it happens.

You just need to realize as the receiver of such behaviour, that the "Demanding tone" isn't always directed at you, it's often directed inward, but ends up being projected outward through flaring emotions, it's how we resolve to learn.

First comes a mistake, then self disdain, and that disdain becomes a vacuum, absorbing the negative energy that we feel we deserve, it's an example of how humans self destruct, in order to mold themselves anew, after all, what spark is there to learn differently, when one thinks they have already mastered, dark emotions are sometimes necessary to break down ineffective thoughts, and embrace change, tho of course, it's equally important not to let said emotions rule us.

Perhaps you see this as an excuse for people being an ass, on the contrary, My point is based on a theory that is thus, No one can "Make You" feel bad about yourself, receiving negative feedback or mistreatment, and feeling defeated by it is, tho an understandable reaction, is "Technically" your decision.

All life is essentially one big stomach, hungering for all things, and just as they say "You are what you eat" you project the energy that you allow inside your being, whether positive OR negative, when we're happy, we hunger for more happiness, we project that happiness, and feed others who are happy, when we are angry, sad or despairing, we hunger to be proved right, to be put out of our misery in the realization that nothing in the world has a purpose, and all effort is pointless, we seek to be destroyed, so that life we deem better than us can flourish, however...all in all, it is merely a switch, and that switch is triggered many thousands of times in our lifespan.

Once I realized this, everything became clear, the innermost workings of the human mind, I've tested this theory all my life, smiling and being kind to some that were displaying hostility to me, it didn't take long before they deflated, unable to respond angrily for long, as I refused to feed their hunger for negativity, and showed that they couldn't affect me.

The only individuals I've witnessed as immune to this are the mentally unstable, as with them, it's like they are looking through a visor, showing them a world that serves "Only" to feed their preferred hunger.

As someone who understands these things, I have devoted my life to a vow, to teach this knowledge to any who are willing to listen, understanding this could at the very least, arm us to make the world gradually a better place, it's funny tho, humanity as a whole seems to understand animals better than we understand our own species.

This is because we observe animals daily, how many documentaries have been made about animals versus the number made about humans? the difference is staggering, it's little wonder we understand each other so poorly, in the age of computers, facebook, etc, we have only dismissed each other more, even as we apparently become "More connected".

Lol, Anyway... This is LONG, so I'll take a pause here haha.

I read every word and you make a compelling point. I admit I never thought of it that way.. I try to prevent that with my brand of language up front in the description which I guess doesn't fully prevent all of it, but I understand that frustration sometimes spills out in text. Usually people do that out loud and tend to reread as they're typing to filter out the mental trash but it does happen as you've reminded me.

I appreciate that.. Good talk. Cheers.

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