Better Children Plus Beasts. BCPBv02b Skyrim

[Suludi]

As far as I understand the Creation Kit, any dialogue option will always show for every NPC you talk to unless you specifically tell the game which groups should be included and which ones shouldn't. It's set like this by default since it would be much more difficult to add the same lines of dialogue to hundreds of NPCs manually.

[nekomimimeido]

A more detailed description of the mod would be nice. from what i've read from the comments it's once a child model replacer and also adds beast child races, and twice makes said races playable?

 

@ the SA "conflict" ... wait, does that mean it also works with Barbas the dog? *shudder*

[WaxenFigure]

 

 

That thing about the conflict with SexAddicts is kinda funny, though, haha. I imagine there are many awkward conflicts with mods.... Wonder what other kinds of weird things might happen when mixing this mod with others.

 

Any mod that turns off the child flag" killible chidren" for example will have that affect

 

 

It may show the text but that's as far as it will go. There are additional checks of another nature in the mod to prevent "hooking up" with the children.

[cniht]

I just find all the arguments and shocked posts in mocked horror and moral condemnation utterly amusing as we're on a site that was largely formed from the outcasts of Nexus for utilizing sexualized mods which included:

 

BDSM themes

Rape

Beastiality (even though there are beast races, but hey that's 'furry' so it's ok right?)

Forced Prostitution

Incest

Pregnancy (preferably through rape, forced prostitution, incest, BDSM, and hell throw the family dog in too)

 

But loli child sexualization?  No, no no.  That's the Red Line.

 

This isn't my thing, so I don't mess with it.  But I also don't critize people who do when it has zero effect on me.  However, don't let my highlighting of the hypocrisy of those on their moral high horse stop anyone.  I would bemoan the loss of 'entertainment'.

[Ashal]

But loli child sexualization?  No, no no.  That's the Red Line.

 

As a matter of fact it is. Posting screenshots of child mods mixed with sex related plugins or even advocating child mods with sex related plugins is 100% against the rules and such content WILL be removed without notice and harsh warnings given with a short jump leading into a ban. Loli/shota/prepubescent sexualization has been against the rules on loverslab since near the beginning, and will forever stay that way.

 

Deal with it.

[cniht]

Appologizes Ashal.

Wasn't condoning actual sexual acts with any child mods.  I am taking a very lax view of the word sexualization including skimpy clothing, which is abound.  The Red Line is an absolute from a legal prospective as mentioned earlier by other posters.  It's the moral argument, I'm trying to point out.  I should have worded it better.

[Guest Devianza]

But loli child sexualization?  No, no no.  That's the Red Line.

 

This isn't my thing, so I don't mess with it.  But I also don't critize people who do when it has zero effect on me.  However, don't let my highlighting of the hypocrisy of those on their moral high horse stop anyone.  I would bemoan the loss of 'entertainment'.

 

There's no hypocrisy involved when it comes to those who run this site, or others who actually care about this site, condemning the discussion or the uploading of any sexual content that involves children/loli based material.  Here's the thing, even if those who ran the site didn't mind that content, they wouldn't be able to allow it to be uploaded here legally and it would be best to avoid having members request and/or discuss it.  Why?  Well just do a "whois" on the domain name, you'll see that it is a registered US domain.  What does that mean?  That means the site has to follow US laws and in the US we have the protect act, as well as many other laws that make all forms of child pornography not only illegal but a felony, and that goes for video game characters, cartoon characters, comic book characters, and of course real minors. 

 

Bestiality of course is also illegal in the US, however unlike child porn, the US hasn't created any laws about video game or adult cartoon related bestiality, and "rape fantasy" is perfectly legal in real porn, video games, and adult cartoons.

 

For now at least.  There are advocate groups pushing for the same laws regarding kiddie porn in comics and games to be applied to "rape fantasy". 

 

In short, you can't fault those here who condemn those who open the door to content that is highly illegal.

 

And I'm not sure how many of you follow politics but if you do, you'll remember when Ashcroft (one of Bush's cronies) actually wanted to outlaw movies like American Beauty, he considered it be kiddie porn and wanted to make it a felony to own a copy.  Thankfully, that guy vanished and was never heard from again.

 

 

 

[Ashal]

 

But loli child sexualization?  No, no no.  That's the Red Line.

 

This isn't my thing, so I don't mess with it.  But I also don't critize people who do when it has zero effect on me.  However, don't let my highlighting of the hypocrisy of those on their moral high horse stop anyone.  I would bemoan the loss of 'entertainment'.

 

There's no hypocrisy involved when it comes to those who run this site, or others who actually care about this site, condemning the discussion or the uploading of any sexual content that involves children/loli based material.  Here's the thing, even if those who ran the site didn't mind that content, they wouldn't be able to allow it to be uploaded here legally and it would be best to avoid having members request and/or discuss it.  Why?  Well just do a "whois" on the domain name, you'll see that it is a registered US domain.  What does that mean?  That means the site has to follow US laws and in the US we have the protect act, as well as many other laws that make all forms of child pornography not only illegal but a felony, and that goes for video game characters, cartoon characters, comic book characters, and of course real minors. 

 

Bestiality of course is also illegal in the US, however unlike child porn, the US hasn't created any laws about video game or adult cartoon related bestiality, and "rape fantasy" is perfectly legal in real porn, video games, and adult cartoons.

 

For now at least.  There are advocate groups pushing for the same laws regarding kiddie porn in comics and games to be applied to "rape fantasy". 

 

In short, you can't fault those here who condemn those who open the door to content that is highly illegal.

 

And I'm not sure how many of you follow politics but if you do, you'll remember when Ashcroft (one of Bush's cronies) actually wanted to outlaw movies like American Beauty, he considered it be kiddie porn and wanted to make it a felony to own a copy.  Thankfully, that guy vanished and was never heard from again.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm no lawyer so I may be wrong, but nothing in game would fall under the Protect Act, it restricts "virtually indistinguishable" computer generated content. Which as good as skyrim can look is still a far way off from being indistinguishable. Digging into it being illegal or not in the US usually ends with a simple "...maybe?" as the law is vague and there is no precedence set. That aside many countries are much much more strict about it, so we restrict it here for the sake of those users. On top of that it's simply not the kind of content I want the site to be associated with due to my own personal philosophies on the matter.

[Guest Devianza]

You don't have to be a lawyer to know that the law is very vague, and the protect act is just one of the very vague things on the books, Clinton also put through a few vague laws.  The guy who was charged, and I believe convicted, of having kiddie porn because a few of his Japanese comics had content they claim was kiddie porn, I believe they used one of laws Clinton put through and not the protect act.  The thing is, the drawings in the comics looked less like children than the children in Skyrim and Oblivion.  I really need to look that story up again because I was never sure why they went after him in the first place, think it may have had to do with something he posted. 

As for the precedent, as far as I know no one has ever been charged for video game kiddie porn but video games are back under the microscope again due to the recent mass shootings.  So I wouldn't be surprised if the left and right decided to target video games again, it would be their way of making people forget that the real issue we have in the US isn't guns or video games, its that we have a lot of mentally ill people and no one really wants to tackle the issue. 

 

[kurisu7885]

I for the My Little Kitty mods and the My Little Hatchling mods specifically because only human children existed in the game. I really hope Bethesda allows for kids of more races in future titles.

[Zenman16]

what exactly does this mod do?

[WaxenFigure]

what exactly does this mod do?

Makes the kids look more real than the animated potato headed kids that come in vanilla skyrim. It also adds children for races that didn't originally have children in the vanilla games.

[anominous]

the only thing I'm having issues with is, I can't seem to load saves after exiting the game... just crashes. it has to be a conflict between this and something because my other characters load fine.

[WaxenFigure]

the only thing I'm having issues with is, I can't seem to load saves after exiting the game... just crashes. it has to be a conflict between this and something because my other characters load fine.

Load from a save that you know will load then load the save that causes crashes. Has nothing to do with mods, it's another Skyrim bug.

[anominous]

lol first rule of skyrim modes... how did I forget?

[Dragonfire3]

I find it funny that people are offended by pedophilia or pedophilic things that play Vanilla Skyrim. Laid to Rest first 5 minutes of that quest you find out there is a pedophilic Vampire lesbian who wanted a young girl for herself. That is just vanilla Skyrim itself. If you have played this mission and thought "Oh she just wanted to play with her not do stuff" The woman was obsessed with the young girl that even after her death she wanted to find her I doubt anyone that obsessed just wanted to play dolly or tea time with the girl. That being said Bethesda was clever about how they approached it so it was so under the radar that no one caught on.

[lordofthedread]

I find it funny that people are offended by pedophilia or pedophilic things that play Vanilla Skyrim. Laid to Rest first 5 minutes of that quest you find out there is a pedophilic Vampire lesbian who wanted a young girl for herself. That is just vanilla Skyrim itself. If you have played this mission and thought "Oh she just wanted to play with her not do stuff" The woman was obsessed with the young girl that even after her death she wanted to find her I doubt anyone that obsessed just wanted to play dolly or tea time with the girl. That being said Bethesda was clever about how they approached it so it was so under the radar that no one caught on.

 

Thats really a matter of interpretation here.

 

And theres a big gap between few line of dialogue and animated graphics, just saying....

 

I personally use xvisionchildren and I am happy with the result of not having the same kids all around, not that I really care about kids, I have Heartfire and I never adopted one but the difference between the ugly vanilla kids and the regular NPC once you modded Skyrim was hurting my eyes.

[dagal]

Whoa ! This this is a realy good mod! Man you are awsome! BIG thanks !!

 

Глюк

[Dragonfire3]

 

I find it funny that people are offended by pedophilia or pedophilic things that play Vanilla Skyrim. Laid to Rest first 5 minutes of that quest you find out there is a pedophilic Vampire lesbian who wanted a young girl for herself. That is just vanilla Skyrim itself. If you have played this mission and thought "Oh she just wanted to play with her not do stuff" The woman was obsessed with the young girl that even after her death she wanted to find her I doubt anyone that obsessed just wanted to play dolly or tea time with the girl. That being said Bethesda was clever about how they approached it so it was so under the radar that no one caught on.

 

Thats really a matter of interpretation here.

 

And theres a big gap between few line of dialogue and animated graphics, just saying....

 

I personally use xvisionchildren and I am happy with the result of not having the same kids all around, not that I really care about kids, I have Heartfire and I never adopted one but the difference between the ugly vanilla kids and the regular NPC once you modded Skyrim was hurting my eyes.

 

Check the wiki before claiming "matter of interpretation" the implied pedophilia isn't interpreted it is implied as Laelette fell in love with Helgi before she bit her. The reason behind biting her was to turn her to allow her to survive so she may keep her. Now Vampires aren't known to fall in love with children just to raise them. There is a lot of lore to suggest the other wise as with cases of Vampire Diaries, Twilight, and now Skyrim. Each Vampire from these lores fall in love with underage girls. Hell even jacob from twilight "imprints" on a little girl. So check your facts before assuming someone else is just grasping at straws.

[dagal]

>>"...none of you do not understand russian..." "'zero age sexual education'"

>>...uh what?

 

Umm, nothing, just a bug!

[lordofthedread]

 

 

I find it funny that people are offended by pedophilia or pedophilic things that play Vanilla Skyrim. Laid to Rest first 5 minutes of that quest you find out there is a pedophilic Vampire lesbian who wanted a young girl for herself. That is just vanilla Skyrim itself. If you have played this mission and thought "Oh she just wanted to play with her not do stuff" The woman was obsessed with the young girl that even after her death she wanted to find her I doubt anyone that obsessed just wanted to play dolly or tea time with the girl. That being said Bethesda was clever about how they approached it so it was so under the radar that no one caught on.

 

Thats really a matter of interpretation here.

 

And theres a big gap between few line of dialogue and animated graphics, just saying....

 

I personally use xvisionchildren and I am happy with the result of not having the same kids all around, not that I really care about kids, I have Heartfire and I never adopted one but the difference between the ugly vanilla kids and the regular NPC once you modded Skyrim was hurting my eyes.

 

Check the wiki before claiming "matter of interpretation" the implied pedophilia isn't interpreted it is implied as Laelette fell in love with Helgi before she bit her. The reason behind biting her was to turn her to allow her to survive so she may keep her. Now Vampires aren't known to fall in love with children just to raise them. There is a lot of lore to suggest the other wise as with cases of Vampire Diaries, Twilight, and now Skyrim. Each Vampire from these lores fall in love with underage girls. Hell even jacob from twilight "imprints" on a little girl. So check your facts before assuming someone else is just grasping at straws.

 

 

Still some line of text VS animated graphics....

 

As much as your knowledge about the matter seems extended theres nothing shown.

 

And quoting Twilight for vampire lore just made me laugh, thanks for that!

[dagal]

Daxloves you stop working at you mode ? No upgarde ?

 

I install a "SexLab" mod with "SexChat", but in convesation dialog "start sex" dialog is not apears.

Coud you fix this ? 

[Dragonfire3]

 

 

 

I find it funny that people are offended by pedophilia or pedophilic things that play Vanilla Skyrim. Laid to Rest first 5 minutes of that quest you find out there is a pedophilic Vampire lesbian who wanted a young girl for herself. That is just vanilla Skyrim itself. If you have played this mission and thought "Oh she just wanted to play with her not do stuff" The woman was obsessed with the young girl that even after her death she wanted to find her I doubt anyone that obsessed just wanted to play dolly or tea time with the girl. That being said Bethesda was clever about how they approached it so it was so under the radar that no one caught on.

 

Thats really a matter of interpretation here.

 

And theres a big gap between few line of dialogue and animated graphics, just saying....

 

I personally use xvisionchildren and I am happy with the result of not having the same kids all around, not that I really care about kids, I have Heartfire and I never adopted one but the difference between the ugly vanilla kids and the regular NPC once you modded Skyrim was hurting my eyes.

 

Check the wiki before claiming "matter of interpretation" the implied pedophilia isn't interpreted it is implied as Laelette fell in love with Helgi before she bit her. The reason behind biting her was to turn her to allow her to survive so she may keep her. Now Vampires aren't known to fall in love with children just to raise them. There is a lot of lore to suggest the other wise as with cases of Vampire Diaries, Twilight, and now Skyrim. Each Vampire from these lores fall in love with underage girls. Hell even jacob from twilight "imprints" on a little girl. So check your facts before assuming someone else is just grasping at straws.

 

 

Still some line of text VS animated graphics....

 

As much as your knowledge about the matter seems extended theres nothing shown.

 

And quoting Twilight for vampire lore just made me laugh, thanks for that!

 

The point I was making with the twilight lore as broken as it is was that it shows pedophilia yet people enjoy watching it or even reading it.  No there isn't any animated sex in unmodded Skyrim or any animated pedophilia but there is a pedophile character and no one has made a boo hoo about it. Hell even in anime there are pedophile characters and no one bats an eye because guess what. It's fiction. Now real life pedophilia I can understand the hate but fictionalized pedophilia? The funny thing is I an not for pedophilia in anyway just find it amusing at how fictional pedophilia is so hated publicly yet things like Incest or Rape is ok in fantasy worlds. 

[lordofthedread]

 

 The funny thing is I an not for pedophilia in anyway just find it amusing at how fictional pedophilia is so hated publicly yet things like Incest or Rape is ok in fantasy worlds. 

 

 

Pedophilia is hated, fictional or not, because there are no way a children can defend himself against an adult.

 

Rape is not 'ok' in any case, no game never showed rape scenarios without getting banned, any movie about rape is tagged  adult (aka same as porn even if there is no full frontal nudity) and appart from underground scenes there are really few rape scenarios in porn, guess why? Because rape is not 'ok' no matter how much mods are made around this subject.

 

Incest is another story, I dont even see why you take that into the subject unless it is linked to rape and / or pedophilia.

[Kuroshu]

I don't really want to play as a a kid but I do agree that the children all look the same and are ugly as hell.

Any mod that changes that? I think this mod might be it but as far as I can tell the male ones will still be ugly as hell.

 

EDIT: Also assume this lets me dress up my kids. Which would be wonderful.

No it wasn't skimpy ones, Not all armor/clothing mods are skimpy, even children of the sky has some non skimpy armor.