Hyped for kingdom come.....and the future of its lewd mod

[Gladisu]

Someone released nude mod on nexus, looks funny, but hey, that's a start.

[Grine]

1 hour ago, engeggybeakurvaanyad said:

You're on loverslab for fucks sake, leave your SJW bullshit on the doorstep

True but I am kind of miffed they could not give me more options as a player.

Thats not discrimination but rather game design.

 

I guess I will wait and see if they expand the options through DLCs.

[saviliana]

11 hours ago, Grine said:

True but I am kind of miffed they could not give me more options as a player.

Thats not discrimination but rather game design.

 

I guess I will wait and see if they expand the options through DLCs.

Well, if they support charactor scripting and custom actions with multiple actors, then we would be able to getting things done, but we will need to see if there is an usable mod editor first.

[Pantheress]

17 hours ago, engeggybeakurvaanyad said:

You're on loverslab for fucks sake, leave your SJW bullshit on the doorstep

Yeah, I am, and I thought this place, of all places, would be more open and welcoming.

[Algene]

if they put a character creator then things will go well, also can we not have these politic-racial disscusions here? pretty please? it ruins even the best communities, just keep these thing to yourselves and lest be equally degenerates in there, that sayed, we now only can wait to the studio to add more support

[Silmarion]

5 hours ago, Pantheress said:

Yeah, I am, and I thought this place, of all places, would be more open and welcoming.

I'd consider myself a fairly progressive person, but you're honestly coming across as holier than thou. It's a historical fact that women were not treated as equals to men during the time period the game is set in. Yes, the devolopers could have chosen a Jean d'Arc story...but they aren't obligated to do so. Saying "We want to stick as close to a historically accurate portrayal of 15th century Bohemia as possible while still having a fun game" that's perfectly acceptable. This isn't a fantasy setting, it's based on actual history. Depicting discrimination that actually happened is not the same thing as being discriminitory.

 

Same thing with character creation in general. Yeah, getting to create your own character from scratch is cool...but so's having a premade protagonist. Especially as the latter allows for tighter storytelling. Henry's story has a trajectory and focus that blank slate characters don't really have.

[SexDwarf2250]

On 2/18/2018 at 3:37 AM, Pantheress said:

Didn't they originally refuse the possibility of playing a female character, because they thought that a female protagonist would be too outlandish and fantastical for the setting?

That attitude is what killed it for me.

Why do you hate reality history realistic games men? I'm sure if some blue-haired Californian lesbian made a "Misogyny Simulator" you'd rate it 8/8. I mean, not that I wouldn't...

[saviliana]

Well, there were legends of woman whom acts like man and succeed became power, and with a woman in middle ages whom lost her home during a invade, could also makes her goes to do/take on male jobs when there is no suitable male around them, its not unheard of, it just rarely written in main stream history book, there were female mercenary and pirates, common wealthes, and even baroness whom gain power through supporting/entering battles in middle ages. Many think they were fantasy characters, maybe their number were minor, but they did exist in history at some point.
There were many of them specially around eastern europe, where the male population had been lowered by all the catholic crusade and moscovich-cossack/middle-eastern invasion, they were just didn't been taken serious in main stream history books (and many of them even been rewritten as male figure, or had their career changed into their later married/adopted husband, which have nothing to do with their glory. Only a handful of them had been recently restored back into female form in last hundred years).

[FusRoDah]

On 2/22/2018 at 12:26 PM, Pantheress said:

Yeah, I am, and I thought this place, of all places, would be more open and welcoming.

Not sure how you came to the conclusion that a male-dominated pornographic forum where a lot of material is abusive towards women and with occasional dubious discussions would be open and welcoming  

[SexDwarf2250]

19 hours ago, saviliana said:

There were many of them specially around eastern europe

 

Since when? Since you said so? Thank you for your insights on the changeable nature of truth and reality, comrade Saviliana.

 

 

1 hour ago, FusRoDah said:

Not sure how you came to the conclusion that a male-dominated pornographic forum where a lot of material is abusive towards women and with occasional dubious discussions would be open and welcoming  

To be fair, a lot of material here is abusive towards everyone and everything, and most players have female protagonists.

 

[red phantoms]

On 2/21/2018 at 6:33 PM, Pantheress said:

Ah yes, nothing like defending the status quo when you are the one benefitting from it.

Sure; they're free to make their game as historically accurate as they want to - just as I'm as free to scoff at it and spend my money on other, less discriminating games.

Please put the game context and game lore before SJW. it really out of place. Should you play a game of Fantasy setting like skyrim or more modern setting world like GTA, i wouldnt criticizing you since it is well known female did move on in that world setting.

 

But in world setting of Kingdom come it just not very much. just look for the comparison medieval female knight and male one. Most of the time female is just to be a hand maiden, tavern wench, prostitute or bargaining chip for a nobility. By today standard it just plain wrong but it is what we called immersion and paying respect to the lore of the world. Dont like it then dont buy it and yeah that is what happen in the past of our world too shocking eh?

 

also kingdom come is not the only game that practice this Even mount and blade blatantly said it was stupidly hard due to how sexist ppl at that kind world setting.

 

but oh wel let move on to the mod. I really wish we can create a mod where i can create a knight order or spy/assassin network and recruit only woman into the order lol. And yeah i have a thing for armored lady don in full plate armor and not the stupid skimpy bikini armor kind

[Pantheress]

I wasn't going to come back to this topic after my last post, but if you guys are going to keep quoting me and repeating the same spiel, I assume you're interested in the discussion.

 

11 hours ago, red phantoms said:

Please put the game context and game lore before SJW. it really out of place. Should you play a game of Fantasy setting like skyrim or more modern setting world like GTA, i wouldnt criticizing you since it is well known female did move on in that world setting.

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but oh wel let move on to the mod. I really wish we can create a mod where i can create a knight order or spy/assassin network and recruit only woman into the order lol. And yeah i have a thing for armored lady don in full plate armor and not the stupid skimpy bikini armor kind

Right... On one hand, you want me to respect the context and lore the developers put into the game. On the other hand, you want to throw all that lore and "immersion" out of the window and create an organisation of all-women. For what purpose, I can only guess at.

 

Mount&Blade does disadvantage you for playing female, but at least it allows you to overcome those obstacles and obtain status and respect equal to your male peers.

It's been a while since I played vanilla M&B, but for the mods I'm running, there's usually an option to toggle discrimination against women.

But, do you know? I usually leave it on. That's just another challenge, another obstacle to overcome, and the victory in the end will just be all the sweeter for it. Having not only risen to the position of Monarch, but with the added disadvantage of nobody taking you seriously, or respecting you (like they would a fellow man), solely because of your gender - that is, until you've thoroughly proven yourself as a capable warrior, commander and ruler, and rightfully earned your place at the top.

 

So: Kingdom Come: Deliverance. I mean, the plot of the game is hardly a literary master piece. It's the old, "sole survivor of an attack, is actually the (insert title)'s son, must now fight earn their place" cliché.

It shouldn't be that hard to flip the gender, keep the story the same, maybe add a small bit about the hardship of a woman trying to earn some respect in a world dominated by men. Might even be a more compelling story than the "you were the general's son all along!", though I guess they'd have to skip or change some of the fanservice sex scenes.

Or, keeping the story mostly intact, they could have made it about an ambitious woman passing for a man, and when she's finally earned her position and accept amongst the nobles, "Surprise! I was a woman all along!"

If the rumors of a female-player dlc are true, I'll happily take back all my criticism and buy the game. I don't hate the developers or the game. I might disagree with some of the decisions they've made, but I'm not demanding that they change their game.

 

... Game. That's the keyword: game. They made a game; they have complete freedom to decide what goes into it, what the player can do and the resulting consequence of the player's choice(s). Why limit yourself to realism and history, when said realism and history actively discriminates against, and oppresses, half of the population?

Basically, anything above "your gender was irrelevant during this period, and so are you as a potential customer" would be preferable.

For now, I'll just take your advice and go spend my money on something else. Personally, I've got my eyes on Mount&Blade 2: Bannerlord.

22 hours ago, SexDwarf2250 said:

 and most players have female protagonists.

See, that was my thought. An overwhelming majority of the mods and games on this forum centers around gameplay in which the player character is female, and that is why I'm surprised people are so adverse to the idea of a female protagonist in this game.

[SexDwarf2250]

1 hour ago, Pantheress said:

See, that was my thought. An overwhelming majority of the mods and games on this forum centers around gameplay in which the player character is female, and that is why I'm surprised people are so adverse to the idea of a female protagonist in this game.

Obviously the game designer had certain quests and story-lines in mind, and they decided (rightly in my opinion) that enough of these would be unlikely to the point of unrealistic (and their standards for realism seem fairly high) to achieve as a female character. They also clearly wanted to develop the story of an individual, not a faceless avatar that you could just fill anyone in for.

 

You'll also notice that you can't play as a black character, are we going to complain about this as well? And if you're not, why not?

 

I've seen vicious discussions about really minute details, not even larger things like gender, when it comes to historical accuracy. Type XVI longsword in my 1157 game? Some people like historical games that are believable to them, and the more you stack the odds against the protagonist, the less believable the realism becomes.

 

Along those same lines, I see plenty of people get venomous and hyper-defensive over women's rights these days, especially any time they think they can drag down something men have in order to make women "equal." Do you see me bitching about the lack of violence in Sims IV?

[Pantheress]

4 minutes ago, SexDwarf2250 said:

Obviously the game designer had certain quests and story-lines in mind, and they decided (rightly in my opinion) that enough of these would be unlikely to the point of unrealistic (and their standards for realism seem fairly high) to achieve as a female character. You'll also notice that you can't play as a black character, are we going to complain about this as well?

Sure. Why not? Did any gamer actually give a shit about about 1403's Bohemia before this game came out? Could probably have made a much more interesting game if they didn't limit themselves to such a specific and narrow setting. As I already said, the plot and story of the game is hardly anything special nor noteworthy. Accomodation for female characters could, in my opinion, easily have been made if they hadn't been so limited in their scope.

I'm fortunate enough to already live in a place where men and woman are basically equals in terms of rights and opportunities, which is why cases like this, where a game that is basically "no girls allowed", are all the more noticeable.

[SexDwarf2250]

 

33 minutes ago, Pantheress said:

Accomodation for female characters could, in my opinion, easily have been made if they hadn't been so limited in their scope.

Why not just mod out Henry's genitals if that's what you need to get your jollies? If you think it's reasonable that a game, in which the main selling point by a mile is incredible historical authenticity, must feature a black woman as the protagonist, I have to say that you are the reason we can't have nice things.

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I'm fortunate enough to already live in a place where men and woman are basically equals in terms of rights and opportunities, which is why cases like this, where a game that is basically "no girls allowed", are all the more noticeable.

I agree, how terrible that game makers are still able to infringe on your "rights and opportunities" by providing gameplay that is both story-focused and historically believable. Maybe one day I can be just as progressive as you and refuse to play games if they have female protagonists. In the meantime I'll just practice by only playing Tomb "no men allowed" Raider when noone's looking.

[Lamb's]

Jesus will you fuckers take this shit elsewhere? I'm here for mods, not to sort through your bickering!

[Pantheress]

3 hours ago, SexDwarf2250 said:

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You'd probably have more of an argument if you stopped misquoting me, stopped building all those strawmen, and instead replied to what I actually wrote.

[Silmarion]

18 hours ago, Pantheress said:

... Game. That's the keyword: game. They made a game; they have complete freedom to decide what goes into it, what the player can do and the resulting consequence of the player's choice(s). Why limit yourself to realism and history, when said realism and history actively discriminates against, and oppresses, half of the population?

They do have complete freedom to choose what goes into it. They chose to disallow female player charters. Because limiting yourself is part of making a game as well.  They're no more wrong in their decision than The Witcher 3 was for making you play Geralt. Not every open world game needs to let you create a character. Not every game needs to. Not every game needs to let you play as every gender or ethnicity.

[SexDwarf2250]

17 hours ago, Pantheress said:

*vaguely defined accusations and implications of being misunderstood*

No need to get testy just because people point out your bullshit. You're not special, either.

[FauxFurry]

On 2/21/2018 at 1:03 PM, Grine said:

True but I am kind of miffed they could not give me more options as a player.

Thats not discrimination but rather game design.

 

I guess I will wait and see if they expand the options through DLCs.

I am all for expanding the storytelling opportunities through DLCs and expansions, especially ones which can open up the possibility for new interesting conflicts.

 

The protagonist of the DLC could be a widow, a woman cast out of polite society or was someone's slave who either has to make her living on the fringes of society (as a prostitute, an assassin or a smuggler) or disguises herself to try to masquerade as a man. That is if they don't want to focus on the life of one of the few women who worked in those jobs typically reserved for men.

[whyamitwo]

Well, play another game? If you dont like the games setting or premise, just move on. I want to have female protaganists in the game, but again, this is a crowdfunded game, and they have to priortise their goals with their limited funds.  Doesnt mean there is some form of discrimination going on, and you're not special.

 

Moving on.... to actual matters, yeah, I'm dissappointed by the lack of a character creation option, even if it's to a specific main protaaganist, I was hoping for some hair or facial hair edits at least. And a shame they cant add a female character yet, that would be an interesting spin on things how a woman has managed to be under the service of a lord killing their enemies. Hopefully mods will fix that.

 

But from what I know people have concerns that Kingdom Come will suffer from the Witcher 3 syndrome, limited modding, hopefully it does not come to that.

[squares]

Guys, can you be so kind to relocate your flaming asses someplace else outside of this mod discussion thread? What the fuck, moderators?! 

[Mistle]

Can I have the ten + mins of my life back I spent reading this garbage just to see if there was any word on mods?....

[red phantoms]

Welp sorry got carried away lol. my bad.

 

1 hour ago, Mistle said:

Can I have the ten + mins of my life back I spent reading this garbage just to see if there was any word on mods?....

 

Sorry sadly we dont have time machine yet. Well about the mod. Most of moder will wait until the creation kit is released along with the DLC before tearing apart the game. At most currently modder will only playing with small tweak, item texture and EMB stuff.

[SexDwarf2250]

2 hours ago, squares said:

Guys, can you be so kind to relocate your flaming asses someplace else outside of this mod discussion thread? What the fuck, moderators?! 

If you come in to a mod discussion thread to start up some SJW bullshit, expect to get flamed. What the fuck, ...logic?!